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Dr Jan Itor
Posted - 2011.06.15 19:50:00 - [721]
 

Originally by: Burhtun
Angelina Jolie is a hacker.


I was so disappointed when I realized hacking didn't involve fancy visuals and pretty colours. Biggest downer of a young man's early computing endeavors. Sad

Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
Posted - 2011.06.15 19:51:00 - [722]
 

Originally by: J Random
Yawn, this reminds me of IRC disco/split/node wars in the 90's back when the were just DoS's. What's funny is you can tell the amount of kids on Eve in the way folk are reacting to the DDoS, like it's a new problem or the world will end or what's happening is new / novel / etc. The don't remember the DoS's in the early 90's or significantly bigger events that took down most of the internet (remember blaster? how about with alternic DNS poisoned the root, etc).

I do wish when this was all said and done CCP would release a technical AAR. Curious what the sustained bandwidth rates were and edge pps drop rates (if any). I.e. curious the problem was CCP (DDoS exceeded their burst capacity and/or the cost wasn't worth it because sustainment at burst levels) or if they actually managed to exceed CCP's ILEC or tier 2 / 3 provider. Also curious if the DDoS was layer 7 related (i.e. the routers kept up fine, it was the proxies/fw/iP|Ds/etc which failed)


Nerd.

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.06.15 19:55:00 - [723]
 

Originally by: Dr Jan Itor
Originally by: Burhtun
Angelina Jolie is a hacker.


I was so disappointed when I realized hacking didn't involve fancy visuals and pretty colours. Biggest downer of a young man's early computing endeavors. Sad


*lol* noob. (sorry xD)

Sometimes it only involved a browser and a malfunctioning server/CGI combination ...*cough*

Dr Jan Itor
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:04:00 - [724]
 

Edited by: Dr Jan Itor on 15/06/2011 20:04:24
Originally by: Solstice Project


*rollseyes*



*Shrugs*

Originally by: Solstice Project

Just because people sheeplessly started to put both of them in one pot (media!)
doesn't mean both of them should be in the same pot,
even if many, many sheep are implying so. (MEDIA!!! HELLO???)



1) Please do enlighten me why it is practical to differentiate the two terms.

2) Again, dictionaries list them with similar/equal meaning. Languages evolve; the meaning of words change. If you choose to continue to use them with the meaning they had way back when, that's your choice, but it doesn't make it anymore right. Calling people who follow evolving language's progression for "sheep" certainly doesn't make you more right.

3) Why do you insist on capitalizing "hacker" and "cracker"? They're not proper nouns.

4) "Sheeplessly"? Sheepishly, maybe? Rolling Eyes

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:11:00 - [725]
 

Edited by: Solstice Project on 15/06/2011 20:13:14
Originally by: Dr Jan Itor
Edited by: Dr Jan Itor on 15/06/2011 20:04:24
Originally by: Solstice Project


*rollseyes*



*Shrugs*

Originally by: Solstice Project

Just because people sheeplessly started to put both of them in one pot (media!)
doesn't mean both of them should be in the same pot,
even if many, many sheep are implying so. (MEDIA!!! HELLO???)



1) Please do enlighten me why it is practical to differentiate the two terms.

2) Again, dictionaries list them with similar/equal meaning. Languages evolve; the meaning of words change. If you choose to continue to use them with the meaning they had way back when, that's your choice, but it doesn't make it anymore right. Calling people who follow evolving language's progression for "sheep" certainly doesn't make you more right.

3) Why do you insist on capitalizing "hacker" and "cracker"? They're not proper nouns.

4) "Sheeplessly"? Sheepishly, maybe? Rolling Eyes



4) Yes, meant sheepishly ... language barrier, thx. :)

3) I'm probably used to it, because i'm native german speaking. But not from germany.

2) Yes, languages evolve and i'm not argueing about that.
What's wrong here is that the media made this happen because they
don't care. People don't care either or are just too dumb to inform
themselves ... which makes it worse.

1) Easy. When i tell you i was a semi-famous hacker within my group
back in the early 90s and you know the difference, you'll ask me about
what i did and so on. When you don't know the difference, you'll think
of me as a criminal, which should be put into jail.

Hackers get criminalized, altough Crackers are the criminals.

For further reference, think about Chaos Computer Club.

That's my point. (sorry for the language barrier...)

Djavo
Midas Tycho
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:15:00 - [726]
 

I hacked my wife up.

Bifordus Maximus
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:17:00 - [727]
 

Now is a good time to train that 30 day skill. Its a shame that there are people who just want to cause havok. They may be after CCP and other companies for whatever reason, but taking it out on everyone else is not the way (translation: terrorist). When they get caught it would be nice to see them get taken out Bin Laden style. Confused

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:24:00 - [728]
 

Edited by: Solstice Project on 15/06/2011 20:24:28
Originally by: Bifordus Maximus
Now is a good time to train that 30 day skill. Its a shame that there are people who just want to cause havok. They may be after CCP and other companies for whatever reason, but taking it out on everyone else is not the way (translation: terrorist). When they get caught it would be nice to see them get taken out Bin Laden style. Confused


These guys are no terrorists. That's sheepish mediaspeek.
They do not cause anyone any physical harm and definitly no terror !


Are you US-American ?
(no insult, a serious question so i can think about why you're wording them that way)

(also ... you suck for wishing some guys, who didn't kill anybody, death! think about it. please!)

Ghost Rider86
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:26:00 - [729]
 

https://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/81094011619770368

The EVEning is approaching...

MrCoolShades
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:27:00 - [730]
 

LulzSec The Lulz Boat
The EVEning is approaching...

Those bastards!

Miagi Sans
Amarr
PURgE-Corp
PURgE Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:29:00 - [731]
 

batten down the hatches...

Dr Jan Itor
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:31:00 - [732]
 

Edited by: Dr Jan Itor on 15/06/2011 20:32:16
Originally by: Solstice Project


Originally by: Solstice Project
3) I'm probably used to it, because i'm native german speaking. But not from germany.


Fair enough. It just puts me off a bit when reading through. Smile

Originally by: Solstice Project
2) Yes, languages evolve and i'm not argueing about that.
What's wrong here is that the media made this happen because they don't care. People don't care either or are just too dumb to inform
themselves ... which makes it worse.


What I was getting at was that differentiating hacker and cracker is a bit like calling some programming languages scripting languages and others simply programming languages. Neither can be clearly defined from the other, and using different ill-defined terms leads to more confusion than it solves.


Originally by: Solstice Project
1) Easy. When i tell you i was a semi-famous hacker within my group
back in the early 90s and you know the difference, you'll ask me about
what i did and so on. When you don't know the difference, you'll think
of me as a criminal, which should be put into jail.


My point was that the difference is something you can understand from context. Hacker really always was a diffuse term, as it was used both as slang for a programmer and a person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and stretching their capabilities[...], thus bordering into what cracker was used for. The only real defining document of what hacker meant was the infamous Jargon File, where it also was ill-defined and unclear. Therefore I argue that sticking to separating the terms come hell and high water is impractical. The only thing that has changed imho, is that the word have been clearly defined.

Tirestun
Intaki Armaments
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:31:00 - [733]
 

The EVEning is approaching...

http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec

DOCK UP, FOLKS.


Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:35:00 - [734]
 


The argument about the context is a good one,
but many people are ignoring any context ...


Anyway ... I understand your point,
but there's no time for it right now... sadly, tbh.

Update from LulzSec Twitter: The EVEning is approaching...

Kewso
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:45:00 - [735]
 



The lulzboat has set sail again... twitter is hilarious though


Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:46:00 - [736]
 

This **** is getting old fast.

Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:52:00 - [737]
 

The luls stuffwhatever must be nervous with all those .... here and ..... there, I say for lulz sake stop it nao !!

Too much .... kill the ....

Rakamy
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:01:00 - [738]
 

Originally by: Marlona Sky
This **** is getting old fast.


I agree and right now CCP is doing the right thing, taking everything offline will just give LulzSec what they want. How ever I do expect some form of compensation from CCP when all this is over and done with.

Xiang Jiao
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:05:00 - [739]
 

CCP - I think these hackers intend on fouling up the Incarna launch. What do you intend on doing to prevent this?

- Paying customer since 2007 with 4 accounts

Orlacc
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:06:00 - [740]
 

I have been on for hours with no issues.

Ertai
REDLEGION
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:11:00 - [741]
 

I am really starting to wonder what my monthly subscription gets me, besides this BS!!!!

Aryanna Callibri
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:12:00 - [742]
 

Ok...second night, same boring trick...not impressed anymore LULZSec. Nothing to see here, move along...*yawns*


Austneal
Fevered Imaginings
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:12:00 - [743]
 

Quote:
Tranquility; ok (29,477 players)


and if you'll look to your left, you'll see "lulzsec" failing

Verizana
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:12:00 - [744]
 

Edited by: Verizana on 15/06/2011 21:12:59
Originally by: Cebraio
@CCP

There doesn't seem to be an option to clear the credit-card details from our accounts! Please provide one!

(I just made a new payment through PayPal, because of the shallow hope that this will override my CC information. While this new payment is good for you, I'm afraid my CC info is still in your DB and I'm not feeling comfortable with it!)



Mate, all your credit card infoamtion will be stored seperate to the eve servers, they'll make sure of this.

2nd, all your credit card details WILL be encypted, the hackers can get hold of this, but there is 99.9999 percent chance they'll not be able to decrepit the code

Dont worry, CCP are a strong company and will deal with it, period

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:13:00 - [745]
 


They are Crackers, not Hackers.

Also, i believe that the DDoS is used to distract,
while somebody is trying to enter the system.
Any information about that would be appreciated,
altough we'd probably find out anyway......

It's a wild guess and i admit i'm not up2date with todays security measures,
but that's the reason for my panicking....

Turning everything off at least prevents everybody from getting in.

Also ... why should they do it again,
if not for a specific reason ...




Cougar Virpio
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:20:00 - [746]
 

Edited by: Cougar Virpio on 15/06/2011 21:21:33
Originally by: Verizana
Mate, all your credit card infoamtion will be stored seperate to the eve servers, they'll make sure of this.

2nd, all your credit card details WILL be encypted, the hackers can get hold of this, but there is 99.9999 percent chance they'll not be able to decrepit the code

Dont worry, CCP are a strong company and will deal with it, period[/quote

Sony thought the same. The cityband thought the same. Codemasters though the same. Acer though the same. And IF these skriptkiddies gain entrance to the server with the nececcary information, the normal way of storing passwords etc is via Hash, you can get the clear passwords with rainbowtables. And most people juse laughable passwords making this even easyer.

That said, the current attack is supposed to be a DDOS to disrupt service and **** us off, not one to gain entrance.

Originally by: Solstice Project

It's a wild guess and i admit i'm not up2date with todays security measures,
but that's the reason for my panicking....


Sony, Codemasters, Citbank and Acr showed us that companies give a **** about It security.

Livini Naship
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:22:00 - [747]
 

there is a warning about an phishing mail, i wonder how someone got my email adress i gave to ccp

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2011.06.15 21:26:00 - [748]
 

Please see this forum thread for the current issues.


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