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Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:33:00 - [271]
 

Originally by: Soden Rah
hmmm, would it be worthwhile having special Internet credit cards specially for use on the internets, that expire every few hrs/days, meaning if you shop around all over the place your details expire pretty quickly. (this would be like a security token that spits out new credit card details every few hrs)

Any thoughts?

I don't know where you live, but here in the US you can get 'pre-paid' credit cards at Walmart/Target/check cashing places, etc. Just have to make sure you put enough on them before your billing cycle is up.

There isn't any reason they shouldn't work for EVE or any other game because afaik, they are processed just like any other credit card.

Salene Gralois
K-2
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:33:00 - [272]
 

Originally by: Soden Rah

also talking about Amazon and ebay defending themselves... they post profits in the hundreds of millions... they can afford distributed servers and computer security CCP could only dream of.


I can't speak for CCP's budget. But you'd be surprised on both of the first 2 you mentioned.
Theirs is good, and both Amazon and Ebay have some extremely smart people in their NOC's. Yet even their network is only as strong as their weakest or most neglected link.

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:33:00 - [273]
 

Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold
Originally by: Soden Rah
Originally by: Mike Takumi
Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold
You could be in the corp and inactive for 6 month. I would not ban a whole corp.

I didn't say a whole corp, just the people who are dumb enough to be seriously trying to claim responsibility for the attack.


to do it legally... which part of the EULER covers flapping mouth off on forum claiming to have caused DDoS attack?

Illegal activities. Ban pending investigation.


It's not that I have any problem with them being banned, Heck I would do it just for them being stupid. But it would be nice to do it without any legal backlash to bite CCP in the arse. It just if they turn out to be 12 yr olds flapping their mouths off, and CCP bans them and they go crying to their parents who pay for their accounts...
Of course the parents in that situation should clip them round the ear, ground them for a month. and ban them from all computer games for longer... but not all parents are sensible like that.

Jormungandr Bastanold
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:34:00 - [274]
 

Well considering how fast it was resolved i don't think it actually matters that much in terms of compensation. They might do something symbolic just to underline the event though. However the server beeing back up already kinna limits the options. Some kind of random "trash" as a reminder to all active accounts perhaps?

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:36:00 - [275]
 

Edited by: BeanBagKing on 15/06/2011 01:37:48
Originally by: Soden Rah


It's not that I have any problem with them being banned, Heck I would do it just for them being stupid. But it would be nice to do it without any legal backlash to bite CCP in the arse. It just if they turn out to be 12 yr olds flapping their mouths off, and CCP bans them and they go crying to their parents who pay for their accounts...
Of course the parents in that situation should clip them round the ear, ground them for a month. and ban them from all computer games for longer... but not all parents are sensible like that.


Pretty sure there wouldn't/couldn't be any legal backlash as part of the EULA says "We can ban you whenever we want for whatever we want, hell, we can just make **** up and ban you for it". I'm pretty sure that's a direct quote, but I'm too lazy to look it up. I might have some words wrong Razz Seriously though, there's nothing you can do if they ban you, your on their game on their server, and they can boot you whenever they feel like it.

Edit: ok, I lied, I wasn't too lazy to look it up, section 6a

Mike Takumi
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:36:00 - [276]
 

Originally by: Soden Rah
Originally by: Mike Takumi
Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold
You could be in the corp and inactive for 6 month. I would not ban a whole corp.

I didn't say a whole corp, just the people who are dumb enough to be seriously trying to claim responsibility for the attack.


to do it legally... which part of the EULER covers flapping mouth off on forum claiming to have caused DDoS attack?

CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if...(iv) CCP becomes aware of game play, chat or player activity under your Account that is, in CCP's discretion, inappropriate or in violation of the Rules of Conduct.

Rules of Conduct:
You may not violate any local, state, national or international laws or regulations. (Pretty sure hacking is illegal in the UK)
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules.
You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users.
You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE Online’s game service or web site.

Tereliss Verr
Minmatar
Space Tech Solutions
PHOENIX REPUBLIC
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:37:00 - [277]
 

Down Again???

Somone frag these sod's!!!!!!!!!!

Katrina Raskin
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:38:00 - [278]
 

Originally by: TwoJohn
Edited by: TwoJohn on 15/06/2011 01:23:28

i just wanted to add: you cannot fight ddos by blocking the traffic it causes - because the traffic then already happened! the only way to counter ddos is by filtering/redirecting the traffic on the providers side and/or by shutting down the botnet nodes that cause the traffic! and if the ddos is done right (hate to say that) you cannot do ANYTHING against it but to wait until it stops.




Quoted for bringing up that important point, which I forgot. I was thinking more in terms of server, versus the pipe, but TwoJohn's statement is important. Unless we all want to be paying far more in subscription fees, you don't want CCP to use that option either, anyway. And the reality is, no matter how well you prepare/what services you pay for, exactly as he says, if it's done "right" you're toast.

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:39:00 - [279]
 

Originally by: Usagi Tsukino
Originally by: Soden Rah
hmmm, would it be worthwhile having special Internet credit cards specially for use on the internets, that expire every few hrs/days, meaning if you shop around all over the place your details expire pretty quickly. (this would be like a security token that spits out new credit card details every few hrs)

Any thoughts?

I don't know where you live, but here in the US you can get 'pre-paid' credit cards at Walmart/Target/check cashing places, etc. Just have to make sure you put enough on them before your billing cycle is up.

There isn't any reason they shouldn't work for EVE or any other game because afaik, they are processed just like any other credit card.


heh, don't live in the US. Not sure if their is an equivalent here.
However that doesn't have the same security that my proposal would...
That said you would have to put in new details for every bill so it wouldn't be good for making more than one off payments.
I don't actually have a problem with my online monetary security.
But I don't use stuff like online banking and such, because it isn't secure.

Jormungandr Bastanold
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:40:00 - [280]
 

Edited by: Jormungandr Bastanold on 15/06/2011 01:41:02
Well. I need to make sure my credit card info is not kept on file at any given time.

(...) Ponders those possibilities...

Antonomon
Outcast Heroes
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:40:00 - [281]
 

Well isee the servers are offline yet again why cant these ****heads leave it alone and let us get on with our fun, have they no lives of their own to lead?

Demitrios
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:42:00 - [282]
 


Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar
Spycotics
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:42:00 - [283]
 

Well this is becoming frustrating to say the least Sad

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:42:00 - [284]
 

Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold
Well. I need to make sure my credit card info is not kept on file at any given time.


and change/lengthen your passwords :-)

Just make sure you don't forget them, lost a perfectly good hotmail account that way... It was so secure not even I could log into it.

Donatella D'Tren
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:44:00 - [285]
 

Thank you for not being ****tards like Sony and dealing with the threat appropriately.

Cyrus Doul
E0 Corp
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:45:00 - [286]
 

the entire 141.219.x.x block seems to be having issues, or at least from the machines I and the others on campus that play are. We can hit here but not TQ

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:46:00 - [287]
 

Originally by: Soden Rah
lost a perfectly good hotmail account that way... It was so secure not even I could log into it.


I've done that to more than one site :( username/password security sucks these days. You're vulnerable if you reuse passwords or use simple passwords, but if you don't, then you're locked out of your own accounts. Your only hope then is to wait till someone hacks that one and releases all the passwords so you can look yours up :)

Jacoba Stalker
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:50:00 - [288]
 

Well done Guys

Eternal vigilance is more valuable than good software and ya'll were johnny on the spot.

Kudos to you.

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:51:00 - [289]
 

Edited by: Soden Rah on 15/06/2011 01:51:30
Originally by: BeanBagKing
Originally by: Soden Rah
lost a perfectly good hotmail account that way... It was so secure not even I could log into it.


I've done that to more than one site :( username/password security sucks these days. You're vulnerable if you reuse passwords or use simple passwords, but if you don't, then you're locked out of your own accounts. Your only hope then is to wait till someone hacks that one and releases all the passwords so you can look yours up :)



I find good old fashioned pen and paper works excellently...
If someone has broken into your house and is standing in front of your pc, your security is pretty broken anyway ;-)

Unless you have real security, ie properly encrypted HDD's, your data is lost anyway.

EDIT: plus if you write it down, you can make full use of the 64 char allotment for your pw.

Darvec
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:51:00 - [290]
 

Update @ 01:15 UTC:
Tranquility is now online......

Not for me its not,
log on, initiate warp, get booted.

Brock Nelson
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:52:00 - [291]
 

tracert 87.237.38.200

Tracing route to 200.38.237.87.rev.ccp.cc [87.237.38.200]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 15 ms 14 ms 11 ms gw2pc.lb.shawcable.net [64.59.131.238]
4 14 ms 15 ms 16 ms rc2so-tge0-3-0-0.cg.shawcable.net [66.163.71.158
]
5 27 ms 26 ms 27 ms rc2wh-tge0-9-2-0.vc.shawcable.net [66.163.77.162
]
6 33 ms 32 ms 30 ms rc4wt-pos1-0-0.wa.shawcable.net [66.163.76.2]
7 ldn-s2-rou-1041.UK.eurorings.net [195.66.224.54] reports: Destination net
unreachable.

Trace complete.

Cyriel Longinus
Caldari
XERCORE
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:53:00 - [292]
 

Thank you CCP.
Well Done.

Ethan Blacknova
Gallente
Perkele Mining Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:53:00 - [293]
 

I was booted sometime ago.

Server: Tranquility
Status: Unknown

My location: Midlands, UK.


Please let me back in! :o

Fuuka Yamagishi
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:53:00 - [294]
 

Eve down for me, northeast US. Also when I try to file a petition on the website for the probes I'm sure were lost when I was kicked 15 minutes ago, I get this:

Oops

Something really bad happened and we are really sorry.

The server was unable to process your request.

Support personel has been notified, no further action is needed.

« Back

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:53:00 - [295]
 

Originally by: Darvec
Update @ 01:15 UTC:
Tranquility is now online......

Not for me its not,
log on, initiate warp, get booted.



their are times when I think we do a pretty good job of DDoS'ing TQ ourselves... 30~60k people all spamming login at once probably causes half the trouble around patch days, and on reboots like atm.

Salene Gralois
K-2
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:53:00 - [296]
 

Originally by: Soden Rah
Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold
Well. I need to make sure my credit card info is not kept on file at any given time.


and change/lengthen your passwords :-)

Just make sure you don't forget them, lost a perfectly good hotmail account that way... It was so secure not even I could log into it.


Last time that happened to me (I do tend to use obscure passwords from time to time) it took me 30 minutes to find a workaround using nothing
more complex than Google to find the url in the msn network to reset it. It wasn't the easiest thing i've ever done, but it wasn't voodoo either.




Neima Fourwinds
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:55:00 - [297]
 

Both of my clients crashed at the same time with trying to get back in with Sever Status: Unknown
Some of my corpmates are having same issues, however most are still online.

Restarted my PC and router.

Jita Jenn
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:55:00 - [298]
 

Originally by: Demitrios
Atlas. Claims responsibility for EVE DDoS.


Enjoy your permaban.

31 49 56659
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:55:00 - [299]
 

Originally by: Ethan Blacknova
I was booted sometime ago.

Server: Tranquility
Status: Unknown

My location: Midlands, UK.


Please let me back in! :o


same issue here, also from the midlands, dunno if thats coincidence though

Merphesh
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:55:00 - [300]
 

Just to confirm some people can access server some can't. Have had two clients booted and cannot re-boot. Other corp members are having same issues and some are still on playing. It has nothing to do with geographical location, so I really don't know WTF is going on Shocked


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