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Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.06.15 05:49:00 - [91]
 

Hey CCP, how about adding some mobile graphics to the system requirements.

You know whats funny? Eve runs less smooth than Crysis 2, even not considering Incarna Laughing

Morgassana
Habius Corpus Delicti
Dead Space inc Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.15 06:14:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Morgassana on 15/06/2011 06:14:41
Quick question...

here it goes.. I don't just run one or 2 clients at one time, I tend to run up to 5 accts at once.

My machine isn't really that far outdated, but can I can I expect the same performance I'm seeing now (5 clients >100fps) or will it drop substantially.

btw my system specs are:

Quad Core Black 940 Deneb (amd)(core speed 3.0ghz stock clock)
8gb pc6400 ddr2 (G.Skil)
Crossfired HD4850's 512mb DDR4 GPU's

Dorn Val
Posted - 2011.06.15 06:17:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Aineko Macx
Hey CCP, how about adding some mobile graphics to the system requirements.


Almost impossible due to the dirty marketing tricks that manufacturers use. For example Sony is notorious for putting relatively high end video chips in small footprint laptops and then under clocking the hardware so that the laptop won't catch on fire. So it's tough to list a particular part as a minimum when you can't be sure that it's clocked to spec.

ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.15 09:58:00 - [94]
 

What do you mean, TEMPORARY?! Mad

Effin´ give us the functionality you wisely discovered 3 years ago(reposting 2008 fanfest vid)!

AND Incarna will be the best expansion ever.
Why is it so hard to get that through your heads CCCP????? Sad

ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.15 10:13:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 15/06/2011 10:14:42
Originally by: Morgassana
Quick question...

here it goes.. I don't just run one or 2 clients at one time, I tend to run up to 5 accts at once.

My machine isn't really that far outdated, but can I can I expect the same performance I'm seeing now (5 clients >100fps) or will it drop substantially.

btw my system specs are:

Quad Core Black 940 Deneb (amd)(core speed 3.0ghz stock clock)
8gb pc6400 ddr2 (G.Skil)
Crossfired HD4850's 512mb DDR4 GPU's

In one word: MostLikelyNO. Wink
The biggest problem with the current client on SiSi is actually the memory footprint, a docked client gobbles up around 900k.
Not sure how much that will creep up when you stay logged on for longer, or start undocking/docking. In short start working all those clients.

Though compared to the first version, overall performance seems to have been optimized nicely. But once your memory runs out things will go to hell in a handbasket quick.
No matter what your other specs are, when the system has to start trashing on your HDD you will lag out insufferably.
MAYBE your 8 gigs will work out, best try out SISI for yourself. Search for sisilauncher on the evewiki and point it to a COPY of your current client.

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2011.06.15 11:07:00 - [96]
 

Why "temporary"? Do you intend to make the new CQ interface actually usable, or just force everyone to use it, no matter the cost?

Magic Crisp
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.15 11:09:00 - [97]
 

Honestly, I'd welcome this as a permanent feature. Been to sisi, checked out CQ and I'm still unable to understand why do I have to spend 2-3 minutes for doing stuff that I could do previously in seconds. Indeed it looks awesome, walking. The thing is, it's just pretty much useless for us, it's a pain.

I understand the market expectation, you have to make the numbers for the sales department, whatever, just leave this option in the game forever, please.

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.06.15 11:59:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Raid''En on 15/06/2011 12:00:58
given the number of players who have more than 1 account in this game, it would be ridiculous market-wise to forget them after a short time... i hope they won't forget that.

i propose another solution, the one most of the playerbase asked for ;
you give option to not load now, and in a few months you go back to what you said before ; you put incarna optional.
you want numbers for your tests, so okay incarna needed now, but after you'll have them, so go back to what WE need.
both from a gameplay and a lore point of view, getting out of pod each time is ridiculous.

Tric Starless
Posted - 2011.06.15 12:13:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: Tric Starless on 15/06/2011 12:14:20
Originally by: Lost Hamster
What does this mean in clear text?

Those who switch off CQ, will get a black screen, no station environment, just the menus?
Or they get back the current hangar view, so we can spin the ship?


Currently on Sisi, if you switch it off, when you dock you get your normal icons, and a drab dingy flat view of a station wall and door. Pretty ugly. I hope that it's not the final production piece. IT IS NOT 3D at all. Not like the current station environment. Not just pretty ugly... really ugly. It must be a placeholder. Can't believe it would go live with the current 2d thing in place.

edit: clarity

Luke S
Zeta Corp.
Posted - 2011.06.15 12:28:00 - [100]
 

In other words. UPGRADE your fkn hardware!!!!

Video cards/computer parts get cheaper after a while. If you want a dream machine keep an eye out on new egg for parts.

Tric Starless
Posted - 2011.06.15 12:41:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Gideon Astartes
while i do see a potential in Incarna and in the CQ, i have never understood why a person should be forced into it, as it makes no sense what so ever. about 98% of the times i dock, i do so because of a "quick visit", i get a mission, pick up an item or drop one off etc. now if my only intention is to pick up a single skill book from a station, why on earth would i be forced to enter the CQ for that, why even bother to load the CQ when i have no intention to spend more than 3 seconds in the station?!?!?!?

so... the ONLY logical solution to this topic is pretty simple:

1. when u dock, the current docking bay view will load by default.
2. if a person does wants to enter the CQ he simply clicks a button in the UI, after which ur pod is disconnected from ur ship and u appear in the CQ.

a simple and elegant solution that would be good for EVERYONE. those that want to goto CQ can do so, while those that have no interest what so ever can skip it.

so please CCP, give us atleast this small permanent option, after all, its not like its a major change to the gameplay mechanics or over all balance etc. and it most certainly will not take anything away from Incarna.


Exactly. I really DO want to use CQ SOMETIMES. A simple big 'Enter CQ >>>' button above the 'Undock >>>' button would be perfect.

Instead of giving us the CURRENT hanger view with an 'Enter CQ' button on the UI... and by forcing us to use the checkbox buried in the escape menu to enable/disable CQ (which by the way requires an undock/redock to apply), you've effectively changed my ability to use CQ 'sometimes' to 'almost never'.

What's so hard about making the clear decision to do it right? I can only assume it's internal politics, as the technical ability to add a button is pretty low. It was in there previously for goodness sake. It actually took MORE effort to remove it Rolling Eyes


Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.15 12:54:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Xessej
My hardware is well above the minimum specs and I will be opting out of CQ for as long as I can. I do not want CQ, do not need CQ and will not use CQ.
Quoting this for emphasis. I have no desire to go into Second Life mode when spaceships is my focus.

@ CCP: Please stop forcing unwanted crap down our throats because your vision includes alpha testing the Carbon framework on your paying customer base.

Iella Wesirri
Caldari
Dead Rats Tell No Tales
Posted - 2011.06.15 14:50:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Xander Hunt
I'm sick of EVE. I'm giving away all my ISK! Send me.. wait.. nevermind... Been played.

Anyway, if CQ ends up being permanent and it takes me 5 minutes to get ANYTHING done, I'll just hand my corp over to someone else, melt all my characters on my three accounts and say goodbye if CQ becomes permanent, forced, and always required. The way CCP has been behaving lately with new features, unfinished work, promises of bug fixes, and lack of communication with the community, and considering that this is supposed to be "OUR GAME" (to which they repeated over, and over and OVER at fanfest), its pretty nasty (I'd use other words, but they'd get filtered) that'd they force something on us that can easily be toggled on and off. Its in the damned code. Default on, sure, OK, that I can accept. But let *ME* decide how I want to absorb the visuals, how I want to play the game, and how I want to deal with the UI.

Old hardware be-damned. New hardware be-damned. My problem isn't with hardware specs as my machine is well beyond what CCP even suggests as a good spec.

CCP hasn't given a lot of answers to any of our questions as of late. Any question that could possibly illicit a POSITIVE feedback towards their feature set is answered almost usually in the next post, but anything that is neutral or detracts from the overall sense of what is being offered is completely ignored by ALL members of the CCP staff that monitor these boards.

Our voice isn't being heard, and I guarantee its internal politics that is making our concerns go unanswered. It NEVER fails when a game becomes successful.


Originally by: Xander Hunt
"I'll just hand my corp over to someone else"


DON'T YOU DARE, BUCKO!

/me votes for Flashmala

- Iella

S'qarpium D'igil
Posted - 2011.06.15 14:52:00 - [104]
 

I guess a response from CCP in their own thread is too much to ask! Rolling Eyes

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
Posted - 2011.06.15 15:01:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 15/06/2011 16:16:03
Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara
Originally by: Xessej
My hardware is well above the minimum specs and I will be opting out of CQ for as long as I can. I do not want CQ, do not need CQ and will not use CQ.
Quoting this for emphasis. I have no desire to go into Second Life mode when spaceships is my focus.

@ CCP: Please stop forcing unwanted crap down our throats because your vision includes alpha testing the Carbon framework on your paying customer base.


This.

I'm fine with Incarna as long it is optional just like 0.0 or w-space are. Hell, even PvP - the backbone - in this game is optional and you're trying to force us to use Wis? Are you sane?

Di Mulle
Posted - 2011.06.15 16:39:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Luke S
In other words. UPGRADE your fkn hardware!!!!




My hardware shouldn't be any of your concern.

If you still insist I must upgrade for no reason, and adapting new CCP toy to MY specifications will not touch you personally in any way - I can't interpret your words in other way, but as a (maybe, unconscious) desire to donate me some.

You are warmly welcome then, honest. Don't be shy.

I'thari
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:09:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil
I guess a response from CCP in their own thread is too much to ask! Rolling Eyes
Ask somehting pointless like: "can I haz pink hamster in incarna, plz?" and you'll get your response right away ;)

Out of recent stuff: they never really made any official "32sp/hour" response too, for exmple Rolling Eyes

Markus El'kar
Posted - 2011.06.15 18:04:00 - [108]
 

PLEASE MAKE THIS OPTION PERMANENT

Elezondo
Posted - 2011.06.15 18:13:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Elezondo on 15/06/2011 18:14:10
Hopefully after the temporary part wears off and CQ is permanent all the whiners will quit Eve and the forums will shift away from every thread whining about this or that... its tiresome.

I for one am excited about Incarna and what CQ will evolve into.

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.15 18:56:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Rasz Lin on 15/06/2011 18:56:45
funny, CCP says Nvidia 6000 series, I am on 9800 series DESKTOP with 4GB of ram and 4GHz dual core and I GET HUGE FPS DROPS while in station,

wallet update = fps drop to 0 for almost a full second
new window opened = fps drop to 0 for almost a full second
lot of people in local and scrolling for wartargets = game fetches hundreds of 1,251 byte images and saves them on a harddrive ONE BY ONE with no cashing resulting in fps drop to 5 untill you stop scrolling

got tens if not hundreds of examples like that

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.06.15 19:22:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: CCP
However we‘ve unfortunately hit a bit of a wall when it comes to running multiple clients on low-end machines while docked. For the sake of a smooth transition we therefore decided to temporarily add the option to not load the Incarna interiors while stilll retaining full access to all options and menus. This allows us to accomodate users with old and gnarly hardware, a group we‘ve been proud to be able to serve in the past, while for some limited time also develop for those with top-of-the-line gaming computers.



This made me lol. You do realise that most mainstream and even some slightly higher end machines are struggling with just 1 client too? i doubt even a relatively high end system will handle 2-3 instances. Low end's will be ****ed with even 1 client, I know it, everyone else knows it, even you know it, so why don't you just grow a pair and say that?

Seriously, as a company, CCP has really taken a nosedive the last couple of years, and many people are really getting ****ed off with your underhanded and dishonest ways. Attempts to manipulate markets, major game changes that compromise the games core and **** on long term players (and payers) for the purposes of pulling in more subs, despite eve becoming profitable at 50k subs. Top it off with turning eve into your WoD beta, adding micro-transactions to milk the cashcow, and now the 3rd party license to really squeeze those teats.

The only reason i haven't left yet, is because i've been using plex for as long as i can remember. If i'm honest, i'm not even liking that idea any more since you still get money from it. I would never pay for such a ****ed game. The thought of you gaining anything from me in any shape or form is enough to make me give up the only reason i still log in - a glorified chat channel.




Harii Renn
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.15 19:45:00 - [112]
 

"we therefore decided to temporarily add the option"

FFS!

I run my eve clients on a box with a 2.6Ghz core 2 quad with 4GB of RAM and a geforce 280 gtx, running one client in station CQ is bad enough for making the other clients performance hit the floor wether in station or space.

The option to turn off the loading of captions quarters needs to be a permanent feature.

KrustyKrab
Can We Haz Your Stuff
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.06.15 19:46:00 - [113]
 

I'm not interested in walking in stations at all. Please give us the option to never have to load CQ if we don't want to use it. I play Eve to fly internet spaceships, not to wander around inside stations.

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:35:00 - [114]
 

i hope this option stays, my pc is about 2 years old and can run 1 qc easy.
the issue is i have 6 accounts and often run all of them. they are forever docking to do stuff.
the problem will be that it this option is removed i wont be able to run so many clients as qc over 6 clients is a resouce hog. i dont wanna cut back on accounts for a feature i will never use.

Akkukkak
Posted - 2011.06.16 04:52:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Shade Millith

I don't wish to see this fluff, I don't wish to be involved. I never want to see it, or 'play' with your virtual dolly.

Give me a permanent option to turn this off.


THIS ::::

But .. you all miss the main point. IF they make it a "Permanent Option" then all INCARNA will fail, because nobody will use it aside a few newbies.

CCP cannot permit this.

So I predict that in the end will be the "Henry Ford" option: "You can choose any color you want as long as it is black"

Macsadbro
Posted - 2011.06.16 09:10:00 - [116]
 

I hope that this comes out. And CCP forgets to add the temporary option to not use CQ.

Why is this such a big deal?

If your computer is a peice of crap, then use a different computer. Or you know, UPGRADE. And dont start pulling 'where poor' crap.

I'm a student living off goverment payments in Australia. (Which trust me is next to nothing. I'd earn more mining veldspar in an ibis) And if i put my mind into it i could afford it.

And stop complaining about forced content. This has been in the pipeline for years. We all knew it would eventually happen.

Quite frankly i think CCP is forcing content down my throat. That content is null sec. I think they should get rid of null sec. Or maybe salvaging.

Harden up people. Its their game, their money (once you give it to them they can deal with it HOW THEY WANT)

And stop complaining about how it doesnt work all that well on sisi. Sisi is the test server. Please, take your bitter vet tears somewhere else. Or unsubscribe. I'll be happy either way.

Chicken W1ng
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
ShadowWolves.net
Posted - 2011.06.16 10:31:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Chicken W1ng on 16/06/2011 10:36:38
Why does CCP not want to have an option for showing a simplified or the old hanger view to begin with?
For people that care about loading times or simplicity more than about fancy 3D chars, menus or the captains quaters in general even on high end machines, not having such an option would only be a step backwards.
I really hope a simplified hangar view will be there permanently and not only a workaround for now.

A compromise would be something like that:
When you enter the station, you will first load the old hangar view as it is now. Only after clicking on a "enter your quarter" button, the client will load the quarters. Additionally there could be a "load your quarters directly when entering station" option in the game settings.
Something like this would be optimal.
It's more realisitic to first be in your ship instead of directly spawning in your quarters after docking anyway.

Edit:
Originally by: ivar R'dhak
[b]
Effin´ give us the functionality you wisely discovered 3 years ago(reposting 2008 fanfest vid)!

That's exactly what I mean. Funny to see they developed this 3 years ago already, while wanting to implement something that would be less convenient nowadays.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:04:00 - [118]
 

CCP have learned so much in regards to customer relations, no really you're doing a great job.
Not giving a definitive answer and going back on your word, is always the best route to take.

Oh and to get a response, can we have pink Leopard skin couches please. Very Happy

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:06:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Macsadbro

If your computer is a peice of crap, then use a different computer. Or you know, UPGRADE. And dont start pulling 'where poor' crap.


nvidia 9800, 4GB ram, 4GHz dual core, computers are NOT the problem, CCPs crappy unoptimized SINGLE THREAD INTERPRETED coding is

like i said earier, for example every time you scroll local game tries to save and read at the same time hundreds of 2KB files on your hard drive, this makes fps go down, even SSD wont help you because SSDs have poor performance when dealing with small files. CCP just halfasses all the code, checks if it works on top of the line systems and ships it to live server :/

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:07:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Macsadbro
I hope that this comes out. And CCP forgets to add the temporary option to not use CQ.

Why is this such a big deal?

If your computer is a peice of crap, then use a different computer. Or you know, UPGRADE. And dont start pulling 'where poor' crap.

I'm a student living off goverment payments in Australia. (Which trust me is next to nothing. I'd earn more mining veldspar in an ibis) And if i put my mind into it i could afford it.

And stop complaining about forced content. This has been in the pipeline for years. We all knew it would eventually happen.

Quite frankly i think CCP is forcing content down my throat. That content is null sec. I think they should get rid of null sec. Or maybe salvaging.

Harden up people. Its their game, their money (once you give it to them they can deal with it HOW THEY WANT)

And stop complaining about how it doesnt work all that well on sisi. Sisi is the test server. Please, take your bitter vet tears somewhere else. Or unsubscribe. I'll be happy either way.


my pc is quite new, can handle qc on one client with easy. on 2 or more clients it makes it lag like hell.
i could unsubscribe the other 7 accounts i now have or ccp could keep this option. im happy either way. not sure if everyone dropping down to 1 account is exactly what ccp want. but as it keeps you happy lets do it


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