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Aredeth
Posted - 2011.06.13 08:26:00 - [31]
 

you still havent explained there the risk is how i can shoot them

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.13 08:31:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Aredeth
you still havent explained there the risk is how i can shoot them
What?

I've explained where the risk is: you might lose against the competition.
I've explained how you can shoot them: because you always can after the kinds of acts that make it possible for them to take your salvage.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.13 09:00:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Tippia
once they've stolen your salvage

Rolling Eyes Stolen??? Your Smarter then this Tips Rolling Eyes

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.13 09:02:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Tippia
once they've stolen your salvage
Rolling Eyes Stolen??? Your Smarter then this Tips Rolling Eyes
Nah. It's entirely possible to steal people's salvage it just requires the salvage owner to either be rather silly and dump it into space, or to be blown up.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.13 09:06:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Nah. It's entirely possible to steal people's salvage it just requires the salvage owner to either be rather silly and dump it into space, or to be blown up.

Right I reread that, no more posting after an all nighter.

j1tabug IWINIWINIWIN
Posted - 2011.06.13 10:03:00 - [36]
 

As mars and the other guy seem not to understand how eve is meant to work i believe its in eves best interest for them to be re-educated so i beg my fellow eve pilots to run there locators on these unfortunate people and help them better understand eve in the only way we know how remember in the end itull be for the greater good.


Aredeth
Posted - 2011.06.13 10:04:00 - [37]
 

when people salvage MY wrecks they dont get flagged so i can NOT shoot them

j1tabug IWINIWINIWIN
Posted - 2011.06.13 10:08:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Aredeth
when people salvage MY wrecks they dont get flagged so i can NOT shoot them


And if it was mad so they where flagged for salvaging these kinda whine threads would be replaced with tearful carebears wanting the old way back because they shot a ninja and got there precious mission ship blown up when the ninja comes back in his pvp ship

Aredeth
Posted - 2011.06.13 11:25:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Aredeth
you still havent explained there the risk is how i can shoot them
What?

I've explained where the risk is: you might lose against the competition.
I've explained how you can shoot them: because you always can after the kinds of acts that make it possible for them to take your salvage.



might? they are there 9 out of every 10 missions salvaging while i am still fighting the mission rats!

Aredeth
Posted - 2011.06.13 13:03:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: j1tabug IWINIWINIWIN
Originally by: Aredeth
when people salvage MY wrecks they dont get flagged so i can NOT shoot them


And if it was mad so they where flagged for salvaging these kinda whine threads would be replaced with tearful carebears wanting the old way back because they shot a ninja and got there precious mission ship blown up when the ninja comes back in his pvp ship



that would be there own fault. i just want the chance to shoot anyone that wants to salvage my wrecks right under my nose

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2011.06.13 13:13:00 - [41]
 

Quote:
When I run a mission, it's MINE, is it not?

It is not. I have 9.9 amarr faction so Ive done plenty missions.

Quote:
New Players:
I have seen multiple people come in on a trial account. I endeavor to be an ambassador for Eve and help them with questions and even give them a decent frigate once in a while from my Industry Alt (from one of my THREE accounts).
It was done for me when I joined up, so I am passing along the good intentions. BUT, after the trial is over, I've seen far too many of these people leave and NOT stay. A HUGE factor is them trying to build up isk and having their mission loot or mining ore stolen.
Do we want a challenge? Sure, we're human. Do we want our GAME to become WORK? Not remotely. Some of us prefer to be 'less challenged' than others.


Ive had my part in creating 2 pretty big corps and approximately ~10,000 new players from the internets Ive had my part in creating because I was sharing eve online sadism. Ive seen like 9000-9500 new players leave eve. Most of the time it's the inability to deal with sadism or cant pay subscription or whatever. This cant be fixed they want WoW or Hello Kitty online. The 2nd biggest issue I have seen is war. Newby traveling to/from jita or wherever to get to the edge of 0.0 to join us is pretty much on their own. Most of the time they undock and die to war targets. Lose everything they own and they quit. More often then not when someone quits and gives us a reason. It's war targets killing their badger.

It's certainly not losing a bit of ore from jetcans.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.06.13 16:34:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Aredeth
when people salvage MY wrecks they dont get flagged so i can NOT shoot them


Let's be clear on ownership:
- Wreck: Owned by you
- Loot inside wreck: Owned by you
- Salvage inside wreck: First come first serve

CCP has repeatedly affirmed this as intended behavior. I suggest you stop beating your head against a wall that simply won't ever move.

Aston Martin DB5
Posted - 2011.06.13 17:00:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Aston Martin DB5 on 13/06/2011 17:01:24
I agree with some of your concerns and I think gates should be locked .....


Edit: don't mind, Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops -- class B- forum troll Laughing

Daedalus II
Helios Research
Posted - 2011.06.13 17:09:00 - [44]
 

You can complain if you wish, I don't really care, and I don't think CCP will change anything.

What is more constructive to do though is MOVE OUT OF THE FREAKIN' MISSION SYSTEMS!

The number of times someone has scanned me down while doing a mission can be counted on the fingers of one hand, and that was almost exclusively in Dodixie.

Nowadays all lvl 4 agents are equally good, just pick another one and your whole list of problems will be gone! Smile

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.13 17:19:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 13/06/2011 17:56:50
Originally by: Aredeth
might? they are there 9 out of every 10 missions salvaging while i am still fighting the mission rats!
Exactly. The competition is fierce in the salvaging profession, so there's a pretty significant risk that someone else will beat them to the punch, making all their work for naught.
Quote:
when people salvage MY wrecks they dont get flagged so i can NOT shoot them
That's because they're not taking anything that's yours the wreck isn't yours in the sense you're thinking of, and the salvage is definitely not yours at this stage.

Salvage only becomes yours when you create that salvage. You create salvage by successfully finishing a cycle with a Salvager module. Before that, no salvage exist, and thus there is nothing to be owned. Once created, the Salvage sits in your cargo hold and is therefore unequivocally yours. Only now can it actually be stolen. In order to steal salvage, someone has to take it out of your cargo hold, and the only way to do that is to blow you up. In doing so, and in looting your ship's wreck afterwards, they will become a legitimate target for you to shoot.

Alternatively, once the salvage is yours i.e. once you've created it in your cargo hold by using a salvager you can choose to jettison it. Anyone stealing your salvage from that jetcan can be shot because they gain standard theft aggression from rummaging through your jetcan.


So, again: if someone actually steals your salvage, you can shoot them.

The problem here is that you prematurely assume to own things you haven't earned yet; in fact, you presume to own things that don't even exist yet. You're acting as if it's stealing when someone who comes along and mines the same asteroid as you, disregarding the fact that the asteroid is there for anyone and everyone to extract ore from, and that no ore actually exists until extracted. Wrecks are exactly the same: they are there for anyone and everyone to extract salvage from, and nothing exists to be owned until someone has actually extracted that (potential) salvage.

Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
Posted - 2011.06.13 17:22:00 - [46]
 

If people come into MY space I can blow them up. Why? Because I own the sov so I set the rules and do my best to try to enforce them. In hisec it's NPC space. Their rules not yours. You want your own rules. Get your own sov. simples.

Mograph
Caldari
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
Posted - 2011.06.13 17:49:00 - [47]
 

unprobable tengu

kthnxbai

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.06.13 19:09:00 - [48]
 

I too hang around in the coward arena (high sec) of an mmo when I want to 'plug in and get away from people'.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:19:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: j1tabug IWINIWINIWIN
As mars and the other guy seem not to understand how eve is meant to work i believe its in eves best interest for them to be re-educated so i beg my fellow eve pilots to run there locators on these unfortunate people and help them better understand eve in the only way we know how remember in the end itull be for the greater good.




Go ahead, next time you see me log in, or any of the rest of you for that matter. I'll even give you a hit where I might be found: It's either going to be my +5 Implant jump clone in Jita 4-4, or it's going to be my +5 Implant jump clone in Kiainti 7 - Genolution Biotech Production.

Had to log in for that other location, where I found this neat message:

hi there
From: Gin G
Sent: 2011.06.13 10:25
To: Mars Theran,

Hi

I just saw your posts of the eve o F&D forum and i goto say i goto agree with you you are a compleat idiot so without more waffle i give you two options

1. You pay me a 500 million isk fine for your stupidity and we will forgive you in the eyes of your true god the flying spaghettie monster

Or

2. You dont pay and you will be submitted into our re education program where your missions will be scanned out your wrecks salvaged and your loot stolen and if you get archy about this i will be happy to blow up your mission ships and any other ships that you decide to bring for that matter.

This will hopefully teach you that high sec isnt a safe place and never will be.

Also If you had half a clue about pvp you would firstly know that locking mission gates means a corp at war could put there entier fleet in the mission pocket and be untouchable to those who they are at war with and also low sec is crap for pvp and nullsec is where the money is.


PPS. As you have insaulted both me and your trying to have my way of life removed from the game those that gives me two very good reasons to take these actions against you which i am perfectly in my right to do and is in no way breaking any in game rules just incase you want to go running to a GM to report me. :-)

PPPS. <3 my spanglish so please cry about my spelling also three reasons make for a very strong case

0/

Laughing

I already know how this game works, you cheap bunch of tin cans.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:23:00 - [50]
 

make it harder to scan down mission sites people who invade your mission are more annoying then anything, the fear of an incoming gank, or that your drones will aggro him or something is scarier then what he can actually do


make wrecks scannable so salvaging mission sites people leave behind a profession. this means people like me ( who rather just salvage and loot missions people werent gonnna loot anyways) can do something other then ask for permission

Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:36:00 - [51]
 



"An eccentric California salvage diver is fishing for proof that al Qaeda overlord Osama bin Laden is really dead." (national news clip)

..what a world we live and play in...what a world...Shocked

Gin G
The Helghast Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.13 23:36:00 - [52]
 

Mars you sound mad bro

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.14 00:46:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Gin G
Mars you sound mad bro


Actually, I thought you sounded mad. Insanely mad. Are you?

Gin G
The Helghast Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.14 01:51:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Mars Theran
Originally by: Gin G
Mars you sound mad bro


Actually, I thought you sounded mad. Insanely mad. Are you?


How exactly is being nice and trying to help you now being mad are you really that dumb...on second thought dont answer that

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.14 03:07:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Mars Theran on 14/06/2011 03:20:43

What part of ransoming my next 3 month's in EVE was nice? I'm apparently missing something. Smile

I wouldn't worry about my being mad anyway. I haven't played EVE on Mars in months, (if ever really), and don't intend to for quite some time. I've still got about 6 months of skill training on him before he's really ready for anything.

When I do play EVE, it's on alt accounts which are in no way associated with my main. You don't know who they are, and I could be right next to you mining or PVPing in your corp, and you'd never know it.

edit: I never mentioned locking mission gates btw. No idea where you got that from. Confused

Have a nice day. Smile


PPS Daedalus II is right btw. Most highsec griefers and gankers that target missioners never travel more than 7 jumps in any direction from a Mission Hub like Dodixie, even for a Wardec.

Diva Bara
Posted - 2011.06.14 15:13:00 - [56]
 

OP is right in one aspect. Many new players (my friends among them) are discouraged and even disgusted because they feel just like targets for bored griefers. A guy wants to mine in peace and all he gets are red can flipping thieves orbiting his Bantam. Guy doing tutorial scanning missions is likely to get blown up because he picked "proof of discovery" from griefer's container. Etc. And to all of you advising that "the thief gets standard aggro" - so what, what is that good for? Can a week (or month...) old char go after the flashy thief? The first time he'll most likely try, after losing a frig he may even switch to his brand new cruiser and get blown to pieces as well... and then he quits Eve trial and tells everyone that Eve sucks because noob has absolutely no protection.

Just like every other MMO, Eve should have noob zones which are protected and killing or harrasing new players there should either be impossible, or carry a strong penalty.

Woodman2
Posted - 2011.06.14 16:01:00 - [57]
 

The theives can't shoot at you until you shoot at them. As far as pilots salvaging your wrecks, you can shoot the wrecks and leave them nothing, perhaps they'll get bored and find someone else to pester.
While doing a mish, check your dscan, if you see combat probes out, there are probably ninjas in the system. You can prepare ahead of time, maybe ask a corp mate to keep guard or salvage for you.
If you're doing a multi room mish, check local, if someone has stolen your loot in a room you've already done, they'll show up flagged in local, you can go get your pvp ship and go after them.

Sarah Steelringer
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:42:00 - [58]
 

It took the OP 7 years to figure out EVE is multiplayer?

Damn

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:15:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Herping yourDerp
make it harder to scan down mission sites people who invade your mission are more annoying then anything, the fear of an incoming gank, or that your drones will aggro him or something is scarier then what he can actually do


make wrecks scannable so salvaging mission sites people leave behind a profession. this means people like me ( who rather just salvage and loot missions people werent gonnna loot anyways) can do something other then ask for permission


You cannot scan down mission sites.

To the OP, you are stupid. End of discussion.


Hint: No.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:22:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Diva Bara
Just like every other MMO, Eve should have noob zones which are protected and killing or harrasing new players there should either be impossible, or carry a strong penalty.
EVE already has such zones.


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