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Chandler Urandom
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.06.12 01:40:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Chandler Urandom on 12/06/2011 02:18:01
Please, this is an irritating feature on so many web sites. You click on a link to an external site and a new tab opens instead of just loading the page within the current tab. To my knowledge, there aren't any way I as a user can prevent this. However, if the default option was to open the link within the tab, all browsers afaik allows you to either open a new tab for the link by right clicking, pressing the middle mouse button or use another default hotkey.

If this is done because you're worried I might leave the forums for another site by pressing a link, I can assure you I have three options to use the "back" button: Either navigate to the visual button in my browser, pressing <backspace> or use the one hotkeyed to one of my mouse buttons.

Here's a nice summary of my opinion on the matter:
Quote:
Opening up new browser windows is like a vacuum cleaner sales person who starts a visit by emptying an ash tray on the customer's carpet. Don't pollute my screen with any more windows, thanks (particularly since current operating systems have miserable window management). If I want a new window, I will open it myself!


Are there any good reasons to open external links in new tabs by default, instead of allowing the user to be in control? If I want a new tab, I'll open it myself - or I'll open the link, read and then go back.

This was a bit of a rant, but I'm essentially asking why new tabs should open by default.

Ed: To clarify, it's only links to external sites that does this; links to subforums, threads and such opens just as they should.

Akira Samposeppa
Gallente
Arthashastra
Posted - 2011.06.12 01:43:00 - [2]
 

Everywhere on every page...
I right click link --> open in a new tab.

Eve online is among the sites where i dont actually have to worry will my link open in new tab or not.

So thats good imho.

Chandler Urandom
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.06.12 01:45:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Akira Samposeppa
Everywhere on every page...
I right click link --> open in a new tab.

Eve online is among the sites where i dont actually have to worry will my link open in new tab or not.

So thats good imho.


This was basically my point: you have the option to open links in a new tab at your heart's desire; I don't have any say in the matter when I don't want links in new tabs.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.12 02:02:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Blane Xero on 12/06/2011 02:09:48
This sounds like a browser settings issue rather than code. What browser are you using?

To clarify, all internal links that remain within eveonline.com open in the current tab by default for me with firefox. Have done since 2.0~ when I started using it way back when, done so right up to the current 5.0~ beta.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.12 02:14:00 - [5]
 

It's the forum code. Most of the links in the forum have the target attribute set, target="_blank". This means clicking the link will open a new window.

Links to the following destinations always open in a new window (target="_blank"):

Chandler Urandom
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.06.12 02:14:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Chandler Urandom on 12/06/2011 02:14:48
It is caused by having target="_blank" in the HTML. This actually tries to open a link in a new window altogether, but that is disabled by default in most browsers, to open in new tab instead. I use both Firefox, Chrome and Opera at times.

Ed: It's only external sites, yes.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.12 02:15:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Blane Xero on 12/06/2011 02:16:48
Originally by: Mara Rinn
It's the forum code. Most of the links in the forum have the target attribute set, target="_blank". This means clicking the link will open a new window.

Links to the following destinations always open in a new window (target="_blank"):



The OP comes off as if all internal links (Say, to General Discussion, Out of Pod, etc) all open in a new tab as well, though.

Originally by: Chandler Urandom
Edited by: Chandler Urandom on 12/06/2011 02:14:48
It is caused by having target="_blank" in the HTML. This actually tries to open a link in a new window altogether, but that is disabled by default in most browsers, to open in new tab instead. I use both Firefox, Chrome and Opera at times.

Ed: It's only external sites, yes.


If that's the case, you could grab Tab Mix Plus for firefox and force every link ever into the current tab.

Kieron VonDeux
Posted - 2011.06.12 02:21:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Kieron VonDeux on 12/06/2011 02:22:22
Heh, I use IE 8 and don't have this issue.
It just opens in a new window, which is fine for me.

One more thing to cry about I guess.

Edit: I do remember having an issue like the OP, but I changed my IE settings and the issue went away. Funny how that works.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.12 02:22:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Kieron VonDeux
Heh, I use IE 8 and don't have this issue.
It just opens in a new window, which is fine for me.

One more thing to cry about I guess.




Shocked I had heard IE8 was still primitive, but a browser that still opens more windows? jeeesus.

Jacque Cruix
Posted - 2011.06.12 02:24:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Shocked I had heard IE8 was still primitive, but a browser that still opens more windows? jeeesus.


I prefer a new window and not just navigating forward in current.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.12 02:25:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Jacque Cruix
Originally by: Blane Xero
Shocked I had heard IE8 was still primitive, but a browser that still opens more windows? jeeesus.


I prefer a new window and not just navigating forward in current.

But why a new window? You understand tabs exist, right?

Jacque Cruix
Posted - 2011.06.12 02:26:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
But why a new window? You understand tabs exist, right?


If I want to open in new tab, I right click and choose tab. If not, I just click and it opens a new window.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.12 02:27:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
The OP comes off as if all internal links (Say, to General Discussion, Out of Pod, etc) all open in a new tab as well, though.


To me, all pages that are part of "eveonline.com" are "internal". They're part of the same property, so having them spawn new windows is irritating, even if it wasn't irritating enough to have any link open a new window for me.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.12 02:30:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Jacque Cruix
Originally by: Blane Xero
But why a new window? You understand tabs exist, right?


If I want to open in new tab, I right click and choose tab. If not, I just click and it opens a new window.

If I may, I'd like to enquire as to why you feel that is preferable to being able to keep everything contained. Surely if you're keeping opening new windows, you're closing the older ones? And if so, why open all these new links in new windows? The pages you want to keep an eye on can go in tabs, you can have windows for if you're watching a youtube video on one monitor whilst browsing in another window for sure, but still, why windows over tabs?

Chandler Urandom
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.06.12 02:38:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Kieron VonDeux
Edited by: Kieron VonDeux on 12/06/2011 02:22:22
Heh, I use IE 8 and don't have this issue.
It just opens in a new window, which is fine for me.


Err, opening in new windows is worse. The reason links opens in new tabs is to prevent them from opening in new windows(the nineties called...), so that you don't have 10 windows to alt+tab through.

Who uses IE, anyway? Shocked

Originally by: Kieron VonDeux
One more thing to cry about I guess.


Yes, it's in no way a suggestion to improve the user friendliness and user control of the site.


Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.06.12 04:34:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Chandler Urandom
Edited by: Chandler Urandom on 12/06/2011 02:18:01
Please, this is an irritating feature on so many web sites. You click on a link to an external site and a new tab opens instead of just loading the page within the current tab. To my knowledge, there aren't any way I as a user can prevent this. However, if the default option was to open the link within the tab, all browsers afaik allows you to either open a new tab for the link by right clicking, pressing the middle mouse button or use another default hotkey.

If this is done because you're worried I might leave the forums for another site by pressing a link, I can assure you I have three options to use the "back" button: Either navigate to the visual button in my browser, pressing <backspace> or use the one hotkeyed to one of my mouse buttons.

Here's a nice summary of my opinion on the matter:
Quote:
Opening up new browser windows is like a vacuum cleaner sales person who starts a visit by emptying an ash tray on the customer's carpet. Don't pollute my screen with any more windows, thanks (particularly since current operating systems have miserable window management). If I want a new window, I will open it myself!


Are there any good reasons to open external links in new tabs by default, instead of allowing the user to be in control? If I want a new tab, I'll open it myself - or I'll open the link, read and then go back.

This was a bit of a rant, but I'm essentially asking why new tabs should open by default.

Ed: To clarify, it's only links to external sites that does this; links to subforums, threads and such opens just as they should.


Whoa, you're the opposite of me.

I certainly don't like pop-ups but if i'm clicking a link to an external site I always want a new tab and often a new window entirely so I can read the reffering and landing page side by side and preserver my abiltiy to go back on one to open the other few tabs on that page I might want. Somteimts i read them one by one but somtimes I want to open all of them and decide which is interesting or just leave it open to come back to after I've completed reading a thread etc.

Brock Nelson
Posted - 2011.06.12 04:44:00 - [17]
 

wah wah wah

I like it when links open into new tab and I certainly do not want to right click a link everytime just because someone didn't like it opening in a new tab.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.06.12 04:50:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Jacque Cruix
Originally by: Blane Xero
But why a new window? You understand tabs exist, right?


If I want to open in new tab, I right click and choose tab. If not, I just click and it opens a new window.

If I may, I'd like to enquire as to why you feel that is preferable to being able to keep everything contained. Surely if you're keeping opening new windows, you're closing the older ones? And if so, why open all these new links in new windows? The pages you want to keep an eye on can go in tabs, you can have windows for if you're watching a youtube video on one monitor whilst browsing in another window for sure, but still, why windows over tabs?

Maybe he's sitting on a 1024x768 screen and has his IE-windows 'fullscreen' and uses the task bar as 'tab'-bar?
Dunno, some people are backwards.

Anyway, I have to +1 this here:
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
*snip*
I certainly don't like pop-ups but if i'm clicking a link to an external site I always want a new tab and often sometimes a new window entirely so I can read the reffering and landing page side by side and preserver my abiltiy to go back on one to open the other few tabs on that page I might want. Somteimts i read them one by one but somtimes I want to open all of them and decide which is interesting or just leave it open to come back to after I've completed reading a thread etc.

I make new windows with several tabs in them when I know the actual window will be overwhelmed with tabs (searching stuff for work and opening several pages of similar/comparable content at the same time and going back and forth between them) or if the tabs of the current window fit into maybe.. normal-day-time-use and the other stuff is entirely for like electronics or research on pc gear.

PS: when I'm home my PC is online.. 24/7.. at the moment the Task Manager tells me the following 6d 16h 50min Cool

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.06.12 04:52:00 - [19]
 

This is the most boring thread I have had the displeasure of opening in a new tab for ages.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.12 04:54:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
if i'm clicking a link to an external site I always want a new tab and often a new window entirely


My browser has the option to turn this feature on for specific sites. I do this for search engine and forum pages, for example. I don't usually use the feature on the EVE-O forums simply because I open the original post in a new tab, and any exploration I do can be unwound by simply going "back" all the way to the original post. Anything interesting along the way might get bookmarked or Instapapered.

I really don't need the forums making the decision for me about opening content in a new page every time.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.06.12 04:56:00 - [21]
 

While we are at it I would prefer a hello kitty forum theme too.

Chandler Urandom
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.06.12 05:32:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Chandler Urandom on 12/06/2011 05:42:10
Originally by: Brock Nelson
wah wah wah

I like it when links open into new tab and I certainly do not want to right click a link everytime just because someone didn't like it opening in a new tab.


If you don't use a mouse with a scroll wheel, you can use another hotkey when you click. For instance, in Firefox you can hold down <ctrl> and then left-click by default. Just like that you have your tab. My point was that you always have an easily accessible option to open a link in a new tab, the ones who doesn't want a new tab, do not have a choice in the matter.

Originally by: Diomedes Calypso

Whoa, you're the opposite of me.

I certainly don't like pop-ups but if i'm clicking a link to an external site I always want a new tab and often a new window entirely so I can read the reffering and landing page side by side and preserver my abiltiy to go back on one to open the other few tabs on that page I might want. Somteimts i read them one by one but somtimes I want to open all of them and decide which is interesting or just leave it open to come back to after I've completed reading a thread etc.


I do this often too, and as such I already have a lot of tabs open. This is also why I don't always want links to open in a separate tab.

What I'm saying is that it's more user friendly to give this control to the user. If I want a new tab for a specific link without target="_blank", I can simply use one of the many easy ways to open it in a new tab; if I want it in the same tab, I just click it. I don't see a good reason why links should open in new tabs by default, when there are many ways to do this from the browser.

Ed: afaik there are ways to configure your browser to open all links in new tabs, if you think it's too much work holding down a button. Smile

Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
Posted - 2011.06.12 09:21:00 - [23]
 

I like it like it is thanks. wtf is this not moved to F&I... anytime I remotely suggest anything vaguely reminiscent of an idea they get moved.

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.06.12 09:36:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
While we are at it I would prefer a hello kitty forum theme too.


My GOD, can we implement an "IGNORE USER" feature? Please, I am BEGGING YOU.

I'll pay with Aurum if I have to, just PLEASE let me shut her up!

Chandler Urandom
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.06.12 10:57:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Chandler Urandom on 12/06/2011 11:01:21
Ok, so we can safely conclude that some like it as it is, others don't. The problem here is that opening links in tabs manually is very easy to do (You can even configure your browser to do this automatically), but choosing not to open links in additional tabs is not something you can adjust settings for or whatnot. That is also why I asked why it is the way it is? I fail to see any reason as to why people shouldn't be able to choose for themselves whether to open links in new tabs or not, when it's so very, very trivial to to it manually and/or have them open by default.

Also, F&I is for game-related ideas, as it clearly states in the description. This is why I posted in GD.

Ed: This isn't exactly an urgent issue, but I frequently browse forums and such, and I find it rather frustrating to get a new tab opened for every single link I click - especially considering I have a perfectly working "back" feature, and that there are apparently no obvious reasons why it should be this way.

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C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.12 12:03:00 - [26]
 

Moved from General Discussion.

Kieron VonDeux
Posted - 2011.06.12 21:09:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Chandler Urandom
...I find it rather frustrating to get a new tab opened for every single link I click - ...


I was annoyed by that too. I fixed it in my browser settings.

Chandler Urandom
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.06.13 00:57:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Kieron VonDeux

I was annoyed by that too. I fixed it in my browser settings.



Are you just trolling at this point? It has been made clear that opening additional windows is an even less desirable alternative.


 

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