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Honorius Vitellius
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.10 21:16:00 - [1]
 

The following is a sermon presented to a very limited number of Amarrian loyalists in the past. After consultation with my superiors, I humbly present it today in the hope that some may benefit from its wider availability.

In the light of the recent re-emergence of the slave armies of the man known as Sansha Kuvakei, as the return of a cancer troubles a body – or more aptly as vice returns to afflict the mind – it appears expedient to explain the dire threat that his return poses, not only from a political and military perspective, but also from one of faith. For in truth all the things of this world, formed of matter and bound to ultimate death, will pass away. What shall not pass away are wounds dealt to the soul. These are the lesions and the blemishes that have the strength to endure throughout the ages and drag a spirit so afflicted into the maw of perdition.

The Lord works through the will of man. Through trials, faith, and time he through his munificence ever strives to turn it towards himself. He has even decreed through his ineffable judgment that some should be slaves so that their will may be tempered within their bodily subjection and made fit for the Faith. The slave learns to orient his will within the great chain of authority that originates with the divinity and incarnates itself in the form of the government and society of our holy empire, for as it is written, “Only through many hardships is a man stripped to his very foundations and in such a state, devoid of distractions, is his soul free to soar, and in this he is closest to God.” For even the holders (and dare I say especially the holders) are ultimately the servants – truly the slaves – of the Lord. We turn and place ourselves within his will, by uniting our will to his own. We do this freely and with joy and are given the rewards of paradise.

Through the methods the faithful preach, the will of man never looses its real freedom; indeed, its liberty is sacred and essential, for the task of the devout is to make their wills identical to the will of the divine. The journey and the task of humanity is the reformation of the will towards the divine likeness. Obedience to rightful authority, drawing its justification from the divinity, plays an essential role in this reformation.

The freedom of the will is the indispensable foundation of this entire process. If this freedom is surrendered, or seized, to the extent that a true act of belief becomes impossible, there can be no meaningful reorientation of the true person. If there is no true reformation of the person through their will, there can be no salvation. In times past, even some of our own countrymen have lost sight of this truth, following the whispers of the enemy of the soul. These mistaken seekers indeed are said to have aided Sansha in his first rising. Their failing was a seed; a seed, I say, of the current peril, a poisoned tree from a poisoned fruit. My brethren, the loss of the true will, the loss of the chance to re-forge oneself into the divine likeness, is true the sin of Sansha.

Sansha Kuvakei takes the language of righteous subjugation and twists it to disguise the chaining of the soul. Sansha Kuvakei promises the unwary paradise. Sansha Kuvakei claims he is the messiah. Sansha Kuvakei lies. He is a false messiah, perverting the deepest of truths. He robs his slaves of their will and substitutes his own. In place of the authority of God and the Empress he places himself, making himself both worldly tyrant and false god. In this I name him a heretic, and call upon all the faithful to oppose him and all who in their delusion follow him unto the peril of their immortal souls. As some who professed our faith – although to my mind falsely – had their part in his beginnings, it is the holy task of the Amarr to destroy him, lest a heresy against the faith be allowed to go unanswered, and a sin unrighted assail the sight of God. In his name, Amen.


wurblewind
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.10 22:55:00 - [2]
 

Firstly, I must say, *first*. Razz But on a serious note:

Good Vitellius (I know not your actual title, so I hope this will suffice), I commend you on a rousing speech, and on your endorsement of the opposition to Nation. While I harbor thoughts along the lines of "it's about time one of them said something"Razz, I hope this will serve as a rallying cry to those of the Amarrian faith who will stand together with those of us resisting Kuvakei's madness. To those of you who question, those who are still in doubt, or, those who, for whatever reason, have already sworn themselves to Nation, regard this man's words, truly from the heart, and those of other peoples and faiths, and carefully consider the path you choose. Nation feeds on our dissent and xenophobia, using it to divide us. We must stand together if we are to have any chance of sending Kuvakei and his mindless legions back into whatever abyss they crawled out of. WE MUST FIGHT!!! Come together, and we will put this beast down!

Caviar Liberta
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2011.06.11 07:38:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Caviar Liberta on 11/06/2011 07:39:14
*the sound of applause is heard as the image of Caviar Liberta comes into focus*

Well spoken Mr. Vitellius.

Now to help clear up some confusion about your name for Wurblewind, I did the liberty of doing some research into some public Amarr archives in regards to your name.

First name: Honorius.

This search came up with a lot of information. Several emperors also had this as their first name in the early years of the Amarr Empire but I found a rare document that I was looking for.

The meaning of names Volume 1.
The name Honorius is of origin that predates the 4 empires and means "honor, valor".

Second name, surname or Nomenfamilia: Vitellius

Once again my search in the open archives was fruitful but refered to linage of a certain line of Emperors with this surname.

Are you a descendant of this family perhaps?

There was also a reference to Vitellius that made me chuckle as it suggested it meant a fat person or a glutton. It seems that some members of this family were well feed you could say.

Once again, thank for your words, may they will bridge our differences in the 4 empires in the face of the threat that challenges us all.


Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.06.11 15:32:00 - [4]
 

An Amarrian ranting about his god and empress? You don't see that every day. Thanks for sharing!

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.11 18:26:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Niraia
An Amarrian ranting about his god and empress? You don't see that every day. Thanks for sharing!


*chuckles* Yep.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.11 19:43:00 - [6]
 

One monstrous organisation decries the monstrosity of another monstrous organisation. No-one is surprised.

Honorius Vitellius
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.11 23:42:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Niraia
An Amarrian ranting about his god and empress? You don't see that every day. Thanks for sharing!


One might be tempted to say that such short, thoughtless, and considerably arrogant rebuttals highlight the vast cultural, intellectual, and moral differences between us.

Is the chance to slander the Amarrian people more tempting than an attempt to find common ground in the face of a shared threat? If this is the case, it is a sad day for all of New Eden.

GIGAR
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.12 00:28:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Honorius Vitellius
Originally by: Niraia
An Amarrian ranting about his god and empress? You don't see that every day. Thanks for sharing!


One might be tempted to say that such short, thoughtless, and considerably arrogant rebuttals highlight the vast cultural, intellectual, and moral differences between us.

Is the chance to slander the Amarrian people more tempting than an attempt to find common ground in the face of a shared threat? If this is the case, it is a sad day for all of New Eden.


Would you mind defining "threat", in this case?

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.12 00:47:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Honorius Vitellius
Originally by: Niraia
An Amarrian ranting about his god and empress? You don't see that every day. Thanks for sharing!


One might be tempted to say that such short, thoughtless, and considerably arrogant rebuttals highlight the vast cultural, intellectual, and moral differences between us.

Is the chance to slander the Amarrian people more tempting than an attempt to find common ground in the face of a shared threat? If this is the case, it is a sad day for all of New Eden.


Firstly, let me give you a piece of information that you obviously lack, which gives us a rough pointer on how ignorant you are. Niraia is a Sansha loyalist.

Secondly, the Amarrians are part of the same threat as the Sansha's Nation. The "shared threat" of the two of really lies more upon the Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar.

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.12 03:00:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Honorius Vitellius
Originally by: Niraia
An Amarrian ranting about his god and empress? You don't see that every day. Thanks for sharing!


One might be tempted to say that such short, thoughtless, and considerably arrogant rebuttals highlight the vast cultural, intellectual, and moral differences between us.

Is the chance to slander the Amarrian people more tempting than an attempt to find common ground in the face of a shared threat? If this is the case, it is a sad day for all of New Eden.



An Amarrian ranting about intellectual, cultural and moral superiority? Once again, not your everyday thing.. thanks for sharing. Forgive my bruntness, but please shut the hell up. You're not 'intellectually, culturally and morally superior', you're just an arrogant bastard who needs to learn some humility and shame.


Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.12 05:08:00 - [11]
 

Well said brother.

Though I'd have to say, you're about a year too late on your denouncement.

Any thoughts on CONCORD's duplicity that's helped allow Kuvakei to gain as much ground as he has?


Caviar Liberta
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2011.06.12 23:09:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Caviar Liberta on 12/06/2011 23:21:42
quote=Sinjin Mokk]Well said brother.

Though I'd have to say, you're about a year too late on your denouncement.

Any thoughts on CONCORD's duplicity that's helped allow Kuvakei to gain as much ground as he has?




Mr. Mokk here is my opinion on CONCORD's implicate or explicate inability to act against Kuvakei.

We know that CONCORD seems to be a very large organization who has been placed in the position to protect capsuler community against unwarranted hostilities. They are also to try to keep the 4 empires in lowered state of war or as the current status quo has created in the ongoing proxy wars in the boundry systems between the Amarr/Caldari and the Gallente/Minmatar empires. So between these 2 mandates it would in my best understanding would say CONCORDS resources have been stretched beyond any limits the founding charter might have intended with the formation of CONCORD.

Also to address others who might not understood, but if you take the time to look beyond any religious reference in the communique and look at the true meaning of original communique. If I wasn't aware that the speaker was Amarr and closed my eyes and simply heard these words I might think it was coming from a Federal member on Gallente Prime.




Coronodo
Posted - 2011.06.12 23:17:00 - [13]
 

Well, its good to see even the wretched slave holding society even notices when something very wrong is happening in new eden, anthough i have to agree it is kinda like you would see them as a competing faction for resources"cough slaves cough" although i do find your words about the freedom of the human soul. i do find this kind of heartwarming if i didnt know all too well the organization station this. as a true man of god i do find this very funny and can say you at least made my day. Now to be taken seriously might i suggest that you do look at your words and see that slavery, sansha or otherwise is just wrong and as a supposed representative of god and take a stand against this for all, not just the fortunate.Anaway, just my drunken two sense.


Sincerely,

Revrend Coronodo of the order of the oly ale.


Caviar Liberta
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2011.06.12 23:31:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Caviar Liberta on 12/06/2011 23:34:58
Originally by: Coronodo
Well, its good to see even the wretched slave holding society even notices when something very wrong is happening in new eden, anthough i have to agree it is kinda like you would see them as a competing faction for resources"cough slaves cough" although i do find your words about the freedom of the human soul. i do find this kind of heartwarming if i didnt know all too well the organization station this. as a true man of god i do find this very funny and can say you at least made my day. Now to be taken seriously might i suggest that you do look at your words and see that slavery, sansha or otherwise is just wrong and as a supposed representative of god and take a stand against this for all, not just the fortunate.Anaway, just my drunken two sense.


Sincerely,

Revrend Coronodo of the order of the oly ale.




Mr. Coronodo I commend you on such well spoken words. Perhaps more people should partake of the elixir you have drank from, then perhaps people might feel more open to say that they truly mean.


ValentinaDLM
Minmatar
Ubi Concordia Ibi Victoria
Posted - 2011.06.12 23:33:00 - [15]
 

The Unofficial Master Kuvakei Fan Club officially denounces this work of slanderous propaganda. The Empire and it's servants are merely making these things up out of fear of progress. UMKFC is saddened by this and expected more from the Empire, and we look forward to the day when they will renounce these slanderous statements and promote unity.

Coronodo
Posted - 2011.06.13 01:14:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Coronodo on 13/06/2011 01:14:47
Well my friend, that elixir is freedom,Thankfuly i am not a citizen of any of the factions, Just a humble friar who sees god a little differently that most. Very Happy.as far as being slanderous about the sansha, i stand by my staatements. Invading and flat out abducting people from their homes and making them slaves is wrong and i hope that man , his fleet , and his groupies get what they deserve from the barrel of the nearest destructive device.Very Happy

Nor Tzestu
Amarr
Boxwater Intelligence
Posted - 2011.06.13 01:20:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Honorius Vitellius
Originally by: Niraia
An Amarrian ranting about his god and empress? You don't see that every day. Thanks for sharing!


One might be tempted to say that such short, thoughtless, and considerably arrogant rebuttals highlight the vast cultural, intellectual, and moral differences between us.

Is the chance to slander the Amarrian people more tempting than an attempt to find common ground in the face of a shared threat? If this is the case, it is a sad day for all of New Eden.



An Amarrian ranting about intellectual, cultural and moral superiority? Once again, not your everyday thing.. thanks for sharing. Forgive my bruntness, but please shut the hell up. You're not 'intellectually, culturally and morally superior', you're just an arrogant bastard who needs to learn some humility and shame.




Your lack of reading comprehension also shows the serious deficiency in your education. I would ask you to point out where the term superiority was used? I see a reference to differences not superiority. Of course the weak of intellect would assume that is an insult and feel the need to further compound their ignorance with idle threats. If your going to claim someone is not your intellectual superior you should likely not demonstrably show how patently false that claim is.

Caviar Liberta
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2011.06.13 01:25:00 - [18]
 

Thank you for your reply and yes I know you have drank deeply from the elixir of truth. *looking down at a data pad* I'd like to read a passage from a very old document written by a founder of the Federation that I feel applies to all people and not just those of the Federation.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

When a person is truly humble then they are truly a great man.

I look forward to your reply Mr. Coronodo


Coronodo
Posted - 2011.06.13 01:31:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Caviar Liberta
Thank you for your reply and yes I know you have drank deeply from the elixir of truth. *looking down at a data pad* I'd like to read a passage from a very old document written by a founder of the Federation that I feel applies to all people and not just those of the Federation.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

When a person is truly humble then they are truly a great man.

I look forward to your reply Mr. Coronodo
I do remember sreadin those texts somewhere, but i forgot where, they are very true indeed sir.


Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.13 04:13:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Caviar Liberta
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...



Some more equal than others...



Nor Tzestu
Amarr
Boxwater Intelligence
Posted - 2011.06.13 23:17:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Honorius Vitellius
Originally by: Niraia
An Amarrian ranting about his god and empress? You don't see that every day. Thanks for sharing!


One might be tempted to say that such short, thoughtless, and considerably arrogant rebuttals highlight the vast cultural, intellectual, and moral differences between us.

Is the chance to slander the Amarrian people more tempting than an attempt to find common ground in the face of a shared threat? If this is the case, it is a sad day for all of New Eden.


Firstly, let me give you a piece of information that you obviously lack, which gives us a rough pointer on how ignorant you are. Niraia is a Sansha loyalist.

Secondly, the Amarrians are part of the same threat as the Sansha's Nation. The "shared threat" of the two of really lies more upon the Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar.


I have read enough of your "thoughts" to understand your someone that is useless to engage in conversation with so I will make this short and sweet. Your opinions are at best propaganda. Amaar space alone faces the brunt of the Sansha attacks on a daily basis. The Caldari, Matar and Gallente only face the occasional incursion into their space. To say the other three Nations shoulder the threat while the Amarr alone face the Sansha daily is at best laughable. Of course I doubt you'll let the facts get in the way of your "argument". For someone so desperately tied to facts and tangible evidence I thought you would have done even a perfunctory bit of research before showing yourself as the fool you are.

Then again when your not responding in single syllable answers, it's usually the same tired meme you've been peddling for some time now. As such you've shown facts and proof are to be set aside in the "struggle" you have taken up with a zealotry, nay, a religious fervor to smear the Amarr in any way possible. Even overwhelming evidence to the contrary will not deter you in your "spreading of the word". Bravo sir, to think you had many here fooled into thinking you were logical and beyond such pettiness.

Nola Doyle
NeuroGEN
Posted - 2011.06.14 02:45:00 - [22]
 

Let us consider for a fleeting moment that you are correct and that your divine God destines the path of the righteous and the wicked. As some of your ideological brethren have indicated, your deity works in mysterious and unpredictable ways. Could one come to a reasonable conclusion that Sansha Kuvakei's mere existence was meant to be, regardless of whether it be as punishment or salvation for the chosen people of Athra? Does the will of your god confine himself to the application of his will based on your scriptures, or have you simply limited his abilities to justify your own interpretation? In other words, could it be conceivable that His Chosen are divined to serve His higher cause in righteous subjugation to the will of Sansha Kuvakei for a much nobler, grander purpose?

If you cannot reasonably dismiss the possibility of such a scenario, as humble, lesser beings to your divine Lord, are you sure that your resolution to resist Him is not simply a personal fear of losing your freedom and personal identity? Were Athran children who were claimed by Nation willed by your deity to serve in His army for a higher purpose or damned for their sins against your god?

Will you have faith in your god's will, even if it does not work favorably?

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.14 05:53:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Nor Tzestu
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Honorius Vitellius
Originally by: Niraia
An Amarrian ranting about his god and empress? You don't see that every day. Thanks for sharing!


One might be tempted to say that such short, thoughtless, and considerably arrogant rebuttals highlight the vast cultural, intellectual, and moral differences between us.

Is the chance to slander the Amarrian people more tempting than an attempt to find common ground in the face of a shared threat? If this is the case, it is a sad day for all of New Eden.


Firstly, let me give you a piece of information that you obviously lack, which gives us a rough pointer on how ignorant you are. Niraia is a Sansha loyalist.

Secondly, the Amarrians are part of the same threat as the Sansha's Nation. The "shared threat" of the two of really lies more upon the Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar.


I have read enough of your "thoughts" to understand your someone that is useless to engage in conversation with so I will make this short and sweet. Your opinions are at best propaganda. Amaar space alone faces the brunt of the Sansha attacks on a daily basis. The Caldari, Matar and Gallente only face the occasional incursion into their space. To say the other three Nations shoulder the threat while the Amarr alone face the Sansha daily is at best laughable. Of course I doubt you'll let the facts get in the way of your "argument". For someone so desperately tied to facts and tangible evidence I thought you would have done even a perfunctory bit of research before showing yourself as the fool you are.

Then again when your not responding in single syllable answers, it's usually the same tired meme you've been peddling for some time now. As such you've shown facts and proof are to be set aside in the "struggle" you have taken up with a zealotry, nay, a religious fervor to smear the Amarr in any way possible. Even overwhelming evidence to the contrary will not deter you in your "spreading of the word". Bravo sir, to think you had many here fooled into thinking you were logical and beyond such pettiness.


I lack the patience to filter through the entirety of his drivel. It has absolutely nothing to do with education, as I received a fine education at Caille. You again affirm my previous statement that insinuated Amarrean arrogance and self righteousness.


Nor Tzestu
Amarr
Boxwater Intelligence
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:08:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Jason Galente


I lack the patience to filter through the entirety of his drivel. It has absolutely nothing to do with education, as I received a fine education at Caille. You again affirm my previous statement that insinuated Amarrean arrogance and self righteousness.




Its not patience you lack, simply the wit to comprehend it. If you did you would likely have replied to the communique I had that targeted your "outrage". Instead you have decided to speak up for another. All my points stand, from your poor reading comprehension skills to Andreus Ixiris ridicules argument in the face of facts. Your further blustering is a weak attempt to portray you do not care and are above such things. You ran off at the mouth with silliness and were called on it, now you pretend to not care or are somehow above reading my "drivel". Good show. I am sure in some intellectual circles that would be considered a "win". If this helps you feel better about being shown as a bleating child with little logic or even basic reading comprehension so be it. If you lack the desire, temperament or mental faculties to engage in earnest conversation then you should refrain from such activities. Playing some type of moral high ground game now only shows you as the petulant, emotionally unstable child your acting like.

Also after reading the last sentence of your "statement" if you could be so kind as to use a language I could understand in the future when addressing me it would certainly be more productive.

Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:35:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Honorius Vitellius
Originally by: Niraia
An Amarrian ranting about his god and empress? You don't see that every day. Thanks for sharing!


One might be tempted to say that such short, thoughtless, and considerably arrogant rebuttals highlight the vast cultural, intellectual, and moral differences between us.

Is the chance to slander the Amarrian people more tempting than an attempt to find common ground in the face of a shared threat? If this is the case, it is a sad day for all of New Eden.



An Amarrian ranting about someone else's arrogance, his intellect, and his moral superiority? You don't see that every day, etc.

I'm part of the threat, anyway. Keep up. Use your intellect!




Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:45:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: ValentinaDLM
The Unofficial Master Kuvakei Fan Club officially denounces this work of slanderous propaganda. The Empire and it's servants are merely making these things up out of fear of progress. UMKFC is saddened by this and expected more from the Empire, and we look forward to the day when they will renounce these slanderous statements and promote unity.


You're part of an alliance that shunned unity, dear. Did you forget about Ghost Hunter stealing it?

I don't think I'll ever forget that, and especially not those who still choose to align with him.


Lady Reynari Molou
Posted - 2011.06.16 13:14:00 - [27]
 

Well said, sir. The truth of the matter is that the misguided Nation heretics are idolators and have fallen under the way of a mere man. Their weakness and failure to find grace in God's Scripture as practiced by His servants the Amarr Empire leads them to perform their evil under the guise of 'unity'.

There are no other gods than He the highest, and He is God, Lord of all mankind. Be they faithful children or heretic idolators.

Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.06.16 16:03:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Lady Reynari Molou
Nation heretics are idolators and have fallen under the way of a mere man.


I for one am more attracted to his ideals, and plans for our galaxy. He isn't necessarily ugly, though. The same way you feel about your deity, presumably? Just, you know, real.


Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.06.16 18:41:00 - [29]
 

I don't care what this "heresy" is. It's all words. Actions are what matter, and so far I must admit my disappointment at the actions of each and every person who has spoken thus far.

Your civilians are being taken from you. Whole planets are being culled by an enemy who wishes to subjugate them. Heresy or not, that should be of little to no importance. Instead of offering to do your duty as a human being, you have fallen back on old animosities and hatred, and decided that what is important is making sure your anger and hatred are heard.

I look at each and every one of you and pity you. Not only do you ignore those being taken, you ignore the counsel of others who seek to stop the incursions.

I am Caldari. I will still make sure I am present when possible to stave off the Sansha fleets when they arrive. Be it in Caldari, Gallente, Amarr or Minmatar, my ships and weapons will be turned against the invaders.

You all want to talk about how CONCORD is complacent...what about yourselves? I would rather work with the Guristas and Serpentis pirates than you lot. At least in them, they band together when needed. And I have seen far more of them fighting Sansha's fleets than I have seen any of you.

Actions speak louder than words. If it truly is 'heresy" then shut the hell up and grab a gun. Otherwise, go hide behind the skirt of your wet nurse. Either way, I know where my duties lie.

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.16 21:13:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Honorius Vitellius
In place of the authority of God and the Empress he places himself, making himself both worldly tyrant and false god.


Brother, in my opinion the part you mention above is the essence of his heresy, and not what you call 'loss of freedom of will'.

I believe freedom of will can also be removed by killing someone. This is why I prefer to mercy of slavery above killing someone as a means of correction.

But that Sansha pretends to be mankind's saviour in the place of God, that is simply intolerable.


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