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Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.06.14 02:58:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow

This is not to say that everyone at CCP is a soulless money-sucking leech, as individuals they are not (except for CCP Flying Scotsman, but hey, he's Scottish, he can't help it). In the abstract, they too want to make the best space MMO evah. But while we play in EVE, they have to live in the real world and put food on the table.

So if you truly think that MT is horrible, then you need to help the CSM make good arguments as to why not doing something (like non-vanity MT), or doing something else instead, is going to put more ISK in Hilmar's Secret Underground Money Playpit.


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The data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features.

I'll wager that 'the data does not support that a subscription model is superior to a MT/f2p' or at least that MT are 'proven' to increase revenue.

So trying to convince people to do pretty much exactly what they've shown they aren't interested in doing is nigh impossible, ie polished quality. CCP has plans and those plans aren't going to be derailed too much is on the line, DUST514/WOD only AFTER those things happen is there really ANY chance of CCP trying to sell polished reality and if they've soured EVE, their name, etc it will be a tough sell.

As has been noted CCP had plans to add MT to EVE regardless of anything else, it was 'destined' to happen and they aren't going back.

I just wish I had a dozen accounts I could cancel cause that is the only thing that seems to get through to CCP when it comes to these types of things, oh and epic threadnought rage which I think the community is getting low on having had to deal with so many horrible CCP decisions.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.14 03:20:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Kerrisone
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow

This is not to say that everyone at CCP is a soulless money-sucking leech, as individuals they are not (except for CCP Flying Scotsman, but hey, he's Scottish, he can't help it). In the abstract, they too want to make the best space MMO evah. But while we play in EVE, they have to live in the real world and put food on the table.

So if you truly think that MT is horrible, then you need to help the CSM make good arguments as to why not doing something (like non-vanity MT), or doing something else instead, is going to put more ISK in Hilmar's Secret Underground Money Playpit.


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The data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features.

I'll wager that 'the data does not support that a subscription model is superior to a MT/f2p' or at least that MT are 'proven' to increase revenue.

So trying to convince people to do pretty much exactly what they've shown they aren't interested in doing is nigh impossible, ie polished quality. CCP has plans and those plans aren't going to be derailed too much is on the line, DUST514/WOD only AFTER those things happen is there really ANY chance of CCP trying to sell polished reality and if they've soured EVE, their name, etc it will be a tough sell.

As has been noted CCP had plans to add MT to EVE regardless of anything else, it was 'destined' to happen and they aren't going back.

I just wish I had a dozen accounts I could cancel cause that is the only thing that seems to get through to CCP when it comes to these types of things, oh and epic threadnought rage which I think the community is getting low on having had to deal with so many horrible CCP decisions.


Welcome to the DarkSide Kerrisone.....

Here is yet another thread full of people upset with MT. Give it a look. It is worth the read:

Ships for $ ---- General Discussion Thread

Minsc
Gallente
Alpha Empire
Posted - 2011.06.14 15:13:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Mars Theran on 11/06/2011 01:37:01

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I find that a little disheartening and even somewhat distrubing. Dust is an FPS, and I don't think it should mirror EVE that closely. FPS players aren't interested in faction fitting their armor; they just want to play the game and shoot things. Armor Blueprints? Deploying into battle 'somewhere' from your quarters? wth is up with that?


I dissagree strongly with this. In fact I think the opposite is true. The trend in FPS's is having more rpg elements in player character progression. Especially games like BFBC2 and the COD series. They have semi-persistant stats and leveling for players and this makes those games far more popular not less. FPS players ARE asking for more complex systems in their games, the only thing that is missing is more persistance which is where CCP is way ahead of the curve and in a unique position.

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As for deploying, I hope you're going to put a bit of dynamic cinematics in their, along with a trainride of some sort where the team gets to debrief, and prepare for battle, then get rather dramatically dropped in to planetside. Maybe I'm being picky, but it sounds as if you stand in your mercenary quarters, push a button, and suddenly you're on a battlefield 500 LY away, with all your stuff. Where do you get time to manufacture from Blueprints here, or research them, and why would you want to. Let EVE players do that crap, and just give me the guns and gear. YARRRR!!


From what I understand when you are in your war barge/personal quarters you're in your civies and you don't haven anything with you but your trophies maybe. Equipment is all modular and assembled on the battlefield so when you jump clone to where the match is you pick a setup and whenever you call in a vehicle or chose a weapon it is assemble to your spec on the spot. Also from what I've read supplies will be delivered to planets via EVE players, so if the planet is blockaded maybe some of your fits are restricted.

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Here's what they do play: Monopoly, Terraria, Minecraft, BFBC2, MW, L4D2, TF2, Starcraft II, Fallout, and other games like that. The thing about these games, is that they are simple. It's either one genre or another, but not multiple genres in one game.


Funny I play all of those games myself and I've been playing EVE since beta, Elitist much?

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They think, "I feel like FPS right now," then they pop in their L4D2 disc and go blast things to pieces, or they think, "Hey, I'm feeling kinda lazy and sorta Mellow; Minecraft would be really cool right now," and then they play Minecraft. Most FPS players, (a little generalized perhaps), are working folk who just want to take out their frustrations in a no contest environment. They're not interested in having to Massively Multitask Online, which is why most of them don't play true MMO's.


That is more than a little generalized I think. That would likely describe a vast majority of EVE players as well. I think it's a little naive to think that the majority of EVE players play nothing but EVE all the time.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.15 05:27:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Mars Theran on 15/06/2011 05:28:16
Originally by: "Minsc"
*snip*


I play Battlefield Bad Company 2, and it is nothing like EVE, and has no RPG elements. it is a very good game though. I wasn't saying I didn't want Dust to have a level of awesome in a persistent universe; just that I didn't want it to get quite so bogged down in the market and industry, when it was originally presented as a persistent shooter.

One thing I don't like about EVE:

Let's say I buy a Rokh for example. 100 million + ISK.
I outfit it with weapons and Tank. 50 Million + ISK.
To do this, I had to grind for 1 week, 8 hours a day at 4 million ISK per hour in Highsec.
That Rokh is worth, at a minumum to me, $560
I fly out of Jita 4-4, and make my way to a mission Hub: Dodixie
On my way to Uedama, someone scans me on my way into system, and I get jumped on the other side of the gate losing my Rokh and all fittings.
I just lost a 40 hour work week; the equivalent of $560 or more, even at a low payscale.

Now try using that same example with a Hulk, or another T2 ship of Cruiser class or higher.

Now toss in the fact that a second ganker podded me immediately after, (I was specifically targeted), and I lost my clone and full set of implants valued at 1.2 Billion ISK.

This is a fictional event, and just an example of course, but the effect remains the same. You might argue that gankers lose ships too, to which I would have to point out that--due to their profession--they make a lot more ISK than me.

Now apply that same logic to a game like DUST, where people are supposed to shoot each other, as mercenaries working for Alliances in EVE. Suddenly going to battle seems a lot less interesting, particularly when some of your upgrades come from the MT store.

None of this really matters of course, as it is still speculation, and that is only one issue among many I have with Dust being too much like EVE.

It's not a matter of Elitist at all. I am a member of EVGA gaming forum, and have been since..idk 2005 or something. I know what these people play, and what their interests are for the most part. I attempted, along with others to get them interested in EVE, and--mostly--they wouldn't have it.

There are currently something like 7 retired players, and 8-11 players who maintain sub's that I am aware of. That does not include myself. Of the 7 retired members, at least 3 quit because of grind vs PvP. I can't say regarding the others, but I suspect most were just bored.

For the number of people we are talking about here, that is a relatively small group. The gaming community alone is 3763 members, of which 1101 are currently online. Given that, I'd say no, EVE is not a common choice amongst FPS--or even most--gamers. Sure 3700 people equates to very little in the wider picture, but statistically it is relevent.



Dorn Val
Posted - 2011.06.15 06:36:00 - [65]
 

First null sec sov mechanics need an overhaul anyway, and maybe Dust is a good way to shake things up. There as as many care bears in null as there are in high sec, and the risks are lower in null but the profit higher. Risk verses reward in null is BROKEN...

Second I see this as a way for CCP to recover $$$ from the real money traders -now they'll have to spend some of the money that they make from Eve on gear for their Dust troops so they don't lose their planets and sov. Seems to me to be a brilliant solution YARRRR!!

Cpt Fina
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
Posted - 2011.06.15 12:06:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Vandrion


That is alot of RL cash for just one Nyx and the support for it even if you have the understanding to use it properly.


So your argument that Microtransaction and PLEX are different is that buying a nyx is a big IRL cash commitment? You know, it doesn't HAVE to be a Nyx 10 battleships for a small sized corp is a pretty big deal for example.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.15 13:16:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: Vandrion


That is alot of RL cash for just one Nyx and the support for it even if you have the understanding to use it properly.


So your argument that Microtransaction and PLEX are different is that buying a nyx is a big IRL cash commitment? You know, it doesn't HAVE to be a Nyx 10 battleships for a small sized corp is a pretty big deal for example.


The Nyx was brought up by Furb Killer and I used the math to address his point. You are correct that 10 battleships can be a big deal as well. What is a large sum of isk or RL $$ is up to the individual to decide. For me having any item that is available by circumventing the in game creation process with a Visa is unacceptable.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.15 13:42:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Mars Theran
Edited by: Mars Theran on 15/06/2011 05:28:16
Originally by: "Minsc"
*snip*

One thing I don't like about EVE:

Let's say I buy a Rokh for example. 100 million + ISK.
I outfit it with weapons and Tank. 50 Million + ISK.
To do this, I had to grind for 1 week, 8 hours a day at 4 million ISK per hour in Highsec.
That Rokh is worth, at a minumum to me, $560
I fly out of Jita 4-4, and make my way to a mission Hub: Dodixie
On my way to Uedama, someone scans me on my way into system, and I get jumped on the other side of the gate losing my Rokh and all fittings.
I just lost a 40 hour work week; the equivalent of $560 or more, even at a low payscale.

Now try using that same example with a Hulk, or another T2 ship of Cruiser class or higher.

Now toss in the fact that a second ganker podded me immediately after, (I was specifically targeted), and I lost my clone and full set of implants valued at 1.2 Billion ISK.

This is a fictional event, and just an example of course, but the effect remains the same. You might argue that gankers lose ships too, to which I would have to point out that--due to their profession--they make a lot more ISK than me.




Be bit more realistic in your fiction please.....

If you can afford to fly around with 1.2 billion in implants in your head, you make more then 4mil an hr
If you can fly and T2 fit a Rokh (coulda used a better ship for the example!) you can make more then 4 mil per hr
If you had to grind for 40 hours to buy that Rokh based on the two lines above you sir fail at Eve

Unless you went out of your way to take a giant dump on someone there is no way a group(yes it takes more then 1 or 2 people to suicide gank a BS) is going to waste their time ganking a T2 fit Rokh of all things.

If you are going to try and prove a point with examples I recommend making them as realistic as possible to lend credibility to your argument.

Cpt Fina
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
Posted - 2011.06.15 15:58:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: Vandrion


That is alot of RL cash for just one Nyx and the support for it even if you have the understanding to use it properly.


So your argument that Microtransaction and PLEX are different is that buying a nyx is a big IRL cash commitment? You know, it doesn't HAVE to be a Nyx 10 battleships for a small sized corp is a pretty big deal for example.


The Nyx was brought up by Furb Killer and I used the math to address his point. You are correct that 10 battleships can be a big deal as well. What is a large sum of isk or RL $$ is up to the individual to decide. For me having any item that is available by circumventing the in game creation process with a Visa is unacceptable.


By the same token many feel that any item / advantage gained by circumventing conventional isk-raising activities (mining, missioning) is unacceptable.

Not only can your wartarget generate isk in a way that you can't affect, they are also using real life cash to get a in game advantage, over you, at your expense, at the peril of a corporation / alliance / ships / assets / structures that you have spent legitimate in game time and in game resources at requiring.

I'm not saying that I like AURUM,I'm just confused how people can complain over that and not realise the flaws of PLEX.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:19:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: Vandrion


That is alot of RL cash for just one Nyx and the support for it even if you have the understanding to use it properly.


So your argument that Microtransaction and PLEX are different is that buying a nyx is a big IRL cash commitment? You know, it doesn't HAVE to be a Nyx 10 battleships for a small sized corp is a pretty big deal for example.


The Nyx was brought up by Furb Killer and I used the math to address his point. You are correct that 10 battleships can be a big deal as well. What is a large sum of isk or RL $$ is up to the individual to decide. For me having any item that is available by circumventing the in game creation process with a Visa is unacceptable.


By the same token many feel that any item / advantage gained by circumventing conventional isk-raising activities (mining, missioning) is unacceptable.

Not only can your wartarget generate isk in a way that you can't affect, they are also using real life cash to get a in game advantage, over you, at your expense, at the peril of a corporation / alliance / ships / assets / structures that you have spent legitimate in game time and in game resources at requiring.

I'm not saying that I like AURUM,I'm just confused how people can complain over that and not realise the flaws of PLEX.


I agree with your statement on Plex. The only difference is that the isk and the items the isk buys come from effort and time by an eve player to either grind the isk through any number of sources or build the items. With $$$ for items (even vanity only) items are spawned for use in game with absolutely ZERO involvement from the player base.

The only thing that buying a GTC then converting it to Plex will get you is a Plex. That Plex is only good for one thing and that is extending game time. Now it will be two things.. Buying game time and buying Aurum which in turn allows you to circumvent in game industry as a whole and have items spawned in your hanger.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:07:00 - [71]
 

How many times do you have to repeat yourself, before you are comfotable that you have stated how you feel? I haven't noticed any change in your dialogue at all. Just a continuous reiteration of the same two points.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.16 04:22:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Mars Theran
How many times do you have to repeat yourself, before you are comfotable that you have stated how you feel? I haven't noticed any change in your dialogue at all. Just a continuous reiteration of the same two points.


As many times as it takes to help others along the path of realizing what the implications of MT are and what it really is.

Unfortunatly you are beyond hope. I and others have countered your points (hey, your entitled to your own opinions) and you have now reached the level of basic trolling. You cannot field an adequate argument so you have resulted to trolling 101. "Let me try and distract and derail threads with sarcastic and smart a** remarks. This isn't the first thread that you have attempted to do this in which is truley sad on your part.

And I qoute "Did Vandrion get kicked from triple A, or did he leave and start his own Corp/Alliance? ..that is the question of the day." You poor poor man
You have resorted to threats( OMG NO!!!! You are gonna come and pew pew a planet when Dust comes out!-- This actually made me laugh so hard it hurt) because I have a different opinion then yours. If you don't like my opinion or what I post then don't READ it (yes I know.... I have had to repeatedly tell you to READ in this thread alone and now I am telling you not to. Perhaps reading isn't your issue. Maybe CCP should have a special money store item just for you- Reading Comprehension Skillbook).

I firmly believe you will be troll stalking the forum threads and looking for more opportunity to sneak in with an attempted troll. Just remember--- You have failed every time and that won't change.

Now- Back under the bridge before you hurt yourself.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.16 06:35:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Mars Theran on 16/06/2011 06:41:47
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Mars Theran
How many times do you have to repeat yourself, before you are comfotable that you have stated how you feel? I haven't noticed any change in your dialogue at all. Just a continuous reiteration of the same two points.


As many times as it takes to help others along the path of realizing what the implications of MT are and what it really is.

Unfortunatly you are beyond hope. I and others have countered your points (hey, your entitled to your own opinions) and you have now reached the level of basic trolling. You cannot field an adequate argument so you have resulted to trolling 101. "Let me try and distract and derail threads with sarcastic and smart a** remarks. This isn't the first thread that you have attempted to do this in which is truley sad on your part.

And I qoute "Did Vandrion get kicked from triple A, or did he leave and start his own Corp/Alliance? ..that is the question of the day." You poor poor man
You have resorted to threats( OMG NO!!!! You are gonna come and pew pew a planet when Dust comes out!-- This actually made me laugh so hard it hurt) because I have a different opinion then yours. If you don't like my opinion or what I post then don't READ it (yes I know.... I have had to repeatedly tell you to READ in this thread alone and now I am telling you not to. Perhaps reading isn't your issue. Maybe CCP should have a special money store item just for you- Reading Comprehension Skillbook).

I firmly believe you will be troll stalking the forum threads and looking for more opportunity to sneak in with an attempted troll. Just remember--- You have failed every time and that won't change.

Now- Back under the bridge before you hurt yourself.


Eh.. I never read Corp and Alliance forums. No reason really. Good on you though, despite that you are now in an Alliance Collectively referred to as the Borg.

As for trolling: I am doing no such thing; I have just become so bored of your posts and that of others like you that I haven't bothered reading them. Which would probably explain my last comment, which was something along the lines of nothing new to see here, moving along, but not before I take a poke at you to see if you're still alive. Besides, conflict is good for people like you; it makes you actually have to think up a response, rather than post the same old filth over and over again.

If you hadn't noticed, this thread had boiled down to you and 2-3 others patting each other on the back for a page or so. I felt it was my duty to change that. Shake it up a little, so to speak.

The thing about you, is you seem to think you are some sort of authority on the subject, and even have a precognitive vision of the future which cannot possibly be wrong. Your posting chums seem to agree, and feel the same way about themselves. Just a lot of Doomsayers really. We should get you all little placards you can hang on your Avatars. In fact, that's a good idea for the vanity store; somebody should post it in the Features and Ideas Discussion.

I can see you hanging around Caldari stations now, with your little sign that says, "The End of EVE is Now!!" We could even get you special little emotes that make you wave your arms around hysterically, and put wild crazy expressions on your face. Wait.. I guess that wouldn't work considering your RP perspective. Okay, it'll just have to be shuffling arms, a blank-eyed stare, swivelling head and slow clumsy steps then. ..or maybe that's Zombies of the Apocalypse.

edit: and by the way, I haven't even mentioned till now, the fact that you are reposting your OP from this thread in any other thread that is even remotely similar in nature. That's just a little wierd.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:56:00 - [74]
 

You obviously don't READ (see what I did there?) much of what is going on in any forum. I will give you a small taste of the rest of the forums:

Monetizing your Apps
MT Dev Blog feedback thread
Ships for $
Microtransaction Vote Thread
Make CQ and Incarna Optional Petition
Promises and Micro Transaction
Don't wanna Pay $99 for pixel money

This list can go on forever... I snagged most of these within about 1 minute of looking at the forums. You don't have to have a crystal ball to see what is going on. The player base is finally reacting wherever they can. My god, CCP even made Chribba mad!

90% of what is posted in these threads echoes my position in one way or another. There may be only a few people that have posted in this thread but if you actually READ a few of the hotter threads you will see shared concerns. mainly:
Ships for $
Monetizing your Apps

There is a ton of hate and discontent with the CSM in the above threads. It explains why more people don't visit and post in these forums. If I can direct people to this thread (2361 views at time of writing this post) and it opens one more person's eyes or stimulates QUALITY respones, whether they agree with my statements or not, then I will continue to link it (where applicable) instead of typing a wall of text. Besides, there are some people that have added a great deal to this thread. Some agree with me and some don't.

I am much more of an authority on the subject then you are. Why? I actually took the time to READ (see, I did it again. Did you catch it this time?) the articles about Dust. I took time to READ the Dev Blogs. I took time to READ the feedback threads. In addition to that I have played this game for over 6 years and at this point I have a pretty good understanding of how it works and how CCP has progressed as a company. I have heard all the half truths and seen the promises broken over they years. I think that gives me the ability to say I have some authority in the matter.

Now to address the rest of your post--- Once again you are attempting to derail a thread. You are attempting to be witty and inflate ur epeen. You have failed yet again. Do you even know why?



* I am going to take your repeated attempts at derailing threads, lolthreatening and genrally poor troll-fu as a compliment. It means that I have touched you in a way that your priest hasn't. I believe you finally realized that you don't have a leg to stand on and are now throwing a little temper tantrum. I will deal with you like I dealt with my children when they were upset. I will sit you down, tell you its ok and wipe away your tears.Twisted Evil


Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.17 06:59:00 - [75]
 

Well, you made yourself sound sufficiently like a pervert.

If you bothered to read, you'd know I've posted in most of those threads, and hold the same position I do know, opposing yours and many of theirs. So I've got integrity, which doesn't really prove anything, or even mean either you or I are right in any fashion. At least I've shown I have the ability to consider the views of others, and have even taken some liberty with modifying my position, if only slightly.

Neither you, or many of those others seem to have the ability to do this, which only provides me with all the evidence I need to be convinced that you are not only propagandizing, but are fanatic in your cause.

Lets say you're right, and CCP really is extremely bent on destroying your version of EVE, to replace it with some money grabbing online application, what do you think will happen? The vast majority of players will decide they have better things to do, and they will unsub from EVE, and eventually EVE will either go f2p or it'll die entirely due to a low population and being an unworthy investment. Maybe.

Do you really think CCP hasn't thought of that, or that they would be investing as much as they are in the continuation of EVE? More likely, they'd discontinue future development almost entirely, releasing only minor expansions here and there, while doing marginal bug fixes and simply maintaining content. They would already be moving in the direction of f2p, and they would have a generic mt store planned with gimics and ships to enhance your gameplay.

Once EVE went f2p, none of the old guard would matter anymore, as only diehards would stay beyond all that. RMT's would move on to other things for the most part, with little reason to invest in that sort of game. The server would be repopulated with lower income or cheaper players looking for something with quick and easy rewards, and minimal time investment.

There would be no graphics updates, R&D, or anything of that sort, because the time and development staff investment simply would not be worth it. EVE would be back-burnered and forgotten for all extents and purposes. At some point, CCP would sell it to a company interested in operating an MMO with minimal time investment requirement, and a satisfaction with small rewards for that effort.

CCP would not put their next generation graphics technology into EVE, or continue development on any of their proprietary technologies with EVE. That would all end. No CarbonUI, no Carbon Framework, and no Nvidia partnered technology. You would still be happily wearing your old plastercine mug, while looking quite colorful.

Have you thought of that, or are you completely blind? ..something most people are accusing CCP of being these days.

Antadark
Gallente
The Black Legionnares
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.06.17 07:24:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Veshta Yoshida
A little premature to start complaining about Dust as we have zero information as to how it will integrate with Eve.

They will never be able to hold space (obviously) so the space ship part is probably still going to be the deciding factor.
I don't see mercs can be anything more than a positive modifier to regular invasions as CCP will have to insulate Eve to some degree as the console FPS is the mayfly of the gaming industry.


QFT

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.17 19:59:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Vandrion on 17/06/2011 20:07:54
The most recent examle of CCP's thought process:

Monetizing Your Apps---41 page threadnaught

They really thought that one through! To answer your question-- Hell no CCP hasn't thought it through!

Many players have stated that their opinion is that CCP is milking the Eve game title for all it's worth to push development on WOD and Dust. I tend to agree.

You really want to talk about game development??? The only way anyone could have a conversation on game development is if they talked about everythign that was only 1/2 developed when CCP rolled it out and then left it unfinished.... Examples:

Faction Warfare
Sov Warfare-- one universe/one war Dust money store play is coming to sov warfare near you to break it even further. Read the first post in this thread.
Exploration
Bounty System
Mission System
Pos mechanics
Corp interface
EVE GATE---- This was supposed to be the second coming of Christ and it took a dump when they tried to migrate the forums....
Microtransactions-- comin soon but CCP has already snafu'd it.. Ishukone Scorp anyone??? This wasn't a test either.... Anyone who watched Day 2 of the AT9 realizes this. This was a let's rush an item into the game to see how much money we can make off it scheme! Believe it or not CCP used to make fun of companies that did this stuff....Dev Blog is coming back to haunt you CCP

On a side note-- I belive it took 7.5 years to get drone damage notification in game..... WTF

All of those broken items are great indications of game development........

Mars-- This will be the last post of yours in my thread that I will bother to reply to. I took a look at your recent threads and posts and confirmed that you are in fact dumb as a box of rocks. Make Eve 2 shards...Sweet Jesus!. I actually pity you... Barely a year old in game.... 1 man corp in a 1 man alliance. It seems you would certainly favor having Eve on easy mode so you don't have to be exposed to risk yet get all the reward. It is a real shame and you are truley deserving of pity.

Edit--- After making this post my eve mail went crazy. The denizens of the box of rocks mentioned above were in an uproar. In response to said uproar I prepared this statement:

I would formally like to apologize to the denizens of the "box of rocks" mentioned in the above post. After reading the multiple correspondence I received from their group it is evident that they have indeed READ this and other threads and they have also composed a QUALITY response regarding my offensive statement towards them. Based on both the QUALITY of their response and their clear passion for READING they have proven that they are in fact more intelligent then Mars Theran is.

Once again I do apologize to the denizens of the box of rocks for my unintentional comparison.


Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.18 01:37:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Mars Theran on 18/06/2011 01:53:25
Originally by: Vandrion
*snip*

Mars-- This will be the last post of yours in my thread that I will bother to reply to. I took a look at your recent threads and posts and confirmed that you are in fact dumb as a box of rocks. Make Eve 2 shards...Sweet Jesus!. I actually pity you... Barely a year old in game.... 1 man corp in a 1 man alliance. It seems you would certainly favor having Eve on easy mode so you don't have to be exposed to risk yet get all the reward. It is a real shame and you are truley deserving of pity.

Edit--- After making this post my eve mail went crazy. The denizens of the box of rocks mentioned above were in an uproar. In response to said uproar I prepared this statement:

I would formally like to apologize to the denizens of the "box of rocks" mentioned in the above post. After reading the multiple correspondence I received from their group it is evident that they have indeed READ this and other threads and they have also composed a QUALITY response regarding my offensive statement towards them. Based on both the QUALITY of their response and their clear passion for READING they have proven that they are in fact more intelligent then Mars Theran is.

Once again I do apologize to the denizens of the box of rocks for my unintentional comparison.




Just because you don't understand why they are doing something, doesn't mean they don't have a good reason. This option allows CCP to collect personal information on indivduals who run API accessing sites and trade in ISK with the playerbase. It also allows the admin's of those sites to make money from donations, or commercial means using those sites, while working within the parameters of CCP's EULA and TOS, provided they are interested.

If you read the blog, you'd know that it's in talks at this stage, and open to changes. You'd also know that CCP intends to have a free licensing available for applications and sites which do not, and have no intention of making money or ISK off of this. Everything is still open to discussion, and any 3rd party develoiper can bring up their issues with CCP.

I admit, it might be a shock to have this news released, but it's a perfectly acceptable alternative to not having this availability, which is potentially problematic legally, uses bandwidth on CCP's servers through API functionality, and generally has been the subject of support development on CCP's end.

As for your comment, if you don't want to respond, then that's fine, and more your issue than mine. This discussion has been tremendously lacking in cross-communication anyway.

Nice insults by the way. I'd respond in kind, but I'm not going to stoop so low for the likes of you. If you can't see reality for what it is, and step outside your little shell of fantasy and delusions, then that's your problem. I honestly don't know how old you are, but I get pictures in my head of some 30 year old child running around his mothers basement in his undies when I think of it.

edit:

I will give you this: It's likely that a lot of the recent developments in this area are a result of CCP's dealings with Sony, who is known for extensive legal contracts and Terms of Service. I have little doubt, that with the development of Dust 514, PS3 exclusivity and certain terms of their contract with CCP, some of these requirements were laid on the table.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.23 04:42:00 - [79]
 

Eve24news article thread


If it is real (ccp has yet to deny it or lock the threadnaught) CCP just killed Eve as we all knew it....





* I personally hope it is a fake but one of the CSM remembers seeing it at the last CSM meeting. Said CSM member cannot confirm what was in the newsletter as he/she did not memorize it.

Mattio11
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:20:00 - [80]
 

Firstly, they need to allow dust players (who don't play eve) a way to get items and fund their character's development so they're not owned by all the eve players - furthermore the eve players don't have to spend large amounts of isk if they don't want to.

We don't know how CCP plans on doing this and controlling it so that EVE isn't affected in a negative way (or no more than the current PLEX for isk system).

Due to above statements, and many replies I've read in this post, I don't feel MT in dust will be an issue - and I'm sure CCP won't allow it to have any significant impact.

And yes the vanity store allows items to be magically created, rather than player generated via our player driven economy/sandbox but they're just cosmetics and they don't affect us (remaps and standings on the otherhand are debatable yet still I don't think they'll be too much of an impact).

To the OP.. you comment that is bold and underlined... that is speculation and I doubt CCP will allow this to happen. i.e. Purchasing items in DUST will likely just be (as mentioned before) just to help with pimping out characters so they're not left with the 'equivalent of a noobship' every time they die; and this won't affect EVE as you so fear.

thanks

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:28:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Mattio11
Firstly, they need to allow dust players (who don't play eve) a way to get items and fund their character's development so they're not owned by all the eve players - furthermore the eve players don't have to spend large amounts of isk if they don't want to.

We don't know how CCP plans on doing this and controlling it so that EVE isn't affected in a negative way (or no more than the current PLEX for isk system).

Due to above statements, and many replies I've read in this post, I don't feel MT in dust will be an issue - and I'm sure CCP won't allow it to have any significant impact.

And yes the vanity store allows items to be magically created, rather than player generated via our player driven economy/sandbox but they're just cosmetics and they don't affect us (remaps and standings on the otherhand are debatable yet still I don't think they'll be too much of an impact).

To the OP.. you comment that is bold and underlined... that is speculation and I doubt CCP will allow this to happen. i.e. Purchasing items in DUST will likely just be (as mentioned before) just to help with pimping out characters so they're not left with the 'equivalent of a noobship' every time they die; and this won't affect EVE as you so fear.

thanks



We will have to agree to disagree on the matter tbh.

Gear will be purchased in DUST with RL $$.
Dust will have a yet to be determined (at least publicly) effect on Sov Mechanics
Dust and Eve= One Universe//One war
Dust MT WILL have an effect on Eve and that impact no matter how minor is the crack that I feel CCP will exploit regardless of the half truths and promises that come out of the CSM meeting.

Between Himar's email and the Fearless newsletter my opinion is we will have MT sooner rather then later.....

I fully encourage anyone reading this post to go to the threadtitan HERE and read the unedited news letter and email. It is very enlightening to say the least.


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