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Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.06.15 11:25:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Martinez

i dont agree with your thinking its not about the people. we have war dec alliance for comments made one pilot before.


isn't it about EULA part "harrasment"?
Confused

Malema
Posted - 2011.06.15 11:27:00 - [152]
 

Phew , paying a fee or not being able to unjoin corp would give me sleepless nights.

I mean it's not like this game gives you alternate characters to play on , or the ability to create secondary / tertiary characters.Highsec will just turn into a bloodbath.


What to do
What to do

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.15 12:08:00 - [153]
 

This dumbass idea still floating around? I know of alliances that, when dec'd, tell their industrial base to leave the alliance temporarily while they handle the dec. It's to protect the non-combatants and leaves only combatants as targets.

Oh... now the OP makes sense. He doesn't want to fight combatants.

What would make things easier is to give corps in an alliance the chance to opt-out of a dec. Then corps wouldn't have to leave, the alliance dec'd could field it's combatant pilots and the sorry, pathetic bastages seeking noob kills would be left in a podfull of tears while they spin in their station bawling about not having noobs to kill.

FireAnt
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:11:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: Markis Silvairi
lol a fee to leave corp. That's hilarious. Here's an idea, If the corp you dec'd has peeps leave, disband, w/e, instead of crying about it on the forums just dec someone else. Not like there's a shortage of corps or alliances in Eve.



congrats, you are the 50th person not to either read the post or understand it. this is not for individual pilots, this is for corps that leave the alliance every war dec and rejoin after. if industrial corps want to bail on a war there should be a flee tax paid to concord.

for the people that have the one and two man alt corps attack them, if you are running from that, maybe its time to re-evaluate your game, i hear hello kitty online is good.

ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:22:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
This dumbass idea still floating around? I know of alliances that, when dec'd, tell their industrial base to leave the alliance temporarily while they handle the dec. It's to protect the non-combatants and leaves only combatants as targets.

Oh... now the OP makes sense. He doesn't want to fight combatants.

What would make things easier is to give corps in an alliance the chance to opt-out of a dec. Then corps wouldn't have to leave, the alliance dec'd could field it's combatant pilots and the sorry, pathetic bastages seeking noob kills would be left in a podfull of tears while they spin in their station bawling about not having noobs to kill.



lol atleast you made my point with the " i know alliances that , when dec'd tell their industrial base to leave the alliance temporarilly'


its not about only wanting to fight noobs, industials, and afk miners. its about war dec'd a alliance and costing them isk, time, ships, and logistics issues.

alot of our contracts issued to us are to disrupt empire operations by large alliances. corps bailing during a war is lame and should cost the white flaggers isk to do it ever war dec.

Markis Silvairi
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.15 18:27:00 - [156]
 

Edited by: Markis Silvairi on 15/06/2011 18:38:55
Originally by: FireAnt
Originally by: Markis Silvairi
lol a fee to leave corp. That's hilarious. Here's an idea, If the corp you dec'd has peeps leave, disband, w/e, instead of crying about it on the forums just dec someone else. Not like there's a shortage of corps or alliances in Eve.



congrats, you are the 50th person not to either read the post or understand it. this is not for individual pilots, this is for corps that leave the alliance every war dec and rejoin after. if industrial corps want to bail on a war there should be a flee tax paid to concord.

for the people that have the one and two man alt corps attack them, if you are running from that, maybe its time to re-evaluate your game, i hear hello kitty online is good.


I read and understood it perfectly fine. Congrats for not understanding that not everyone in this game agrees with the OP or you. I live in 0.0 so I could give 2 ****s about wardecs. The only thing they attempt to affect when they deck us is our logistics.. Can you say nuet freighter alts? oh yeah so doesn't really affect us at all.

I still find the idea of a "runaway tax" to be laughable at best no matter how many times you repeat the same reasons over and over. So have a coke and a smile and stfu.

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.06.16 06:15:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Markis Silvairi
Edited by: Markis Silvairi on 15/06/2011 18:38:55
Originally by: FireAnt
Originally by: Markis Silvairi
lol a fee to leave corp. That's hilarious. Here's an idea, If the corp you dec'd has peeps leave, disband, w/e, instead of crying about it on the forums just dec someone else. Not like there's a shortage of corps or alliances in Eve.



congrats, you are the 50th person not to either read the post or understand it. this is not for individual pilots, this is for corps that leave the alliance every war dec and rejoin after. if industrial corps want to bail on a war there should be a flee tax paid to concord.

for the people that have the one and two man alt corps attack them, if you are running from that, maybe its time to re-evaluate your game, i hear hello kitty online is good.


I read and understood it perfectly fine. Congrats for not understanding that not everyone in this game agrees with the OP or you. I live in 0.0 so I could give 2 ****s about wardecs. The only thing they attempt to affect when they deck us is our logistics.. Can you say nuet freighter alts? oh yeah so doesn't really affect us at all.

I still find the idea of a "runaway tax" to be laughable at best no matter how many times you repeat the same reasons over and over. So have a coke and a smile and stfu.


doesnt effect you why post anything. it does effect some, you added nothing to this post. agreeded most people dont want a change like this to happen, but that is because most of eve is carebears.

Markis Silvairi
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.16 08:31:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Martinez
doesnt effect you why post anything. it does effect some, you added nothing to this post. agreeded most people dont want a change like this to happen, but that is because most of eve is carebears.


And you added what exactly to the topic? In my 1st post I did give another alternative other than crying on a forum.

Forcing non-combatants to pay to leave an alliance that's been wardeced basically amounts to extortion irreguardless if the isk goes to the wardec'n corp or CCP. Pay isk or we'll hunt you down and kill you and camp you in til we get bored. Then we'll just keep dec'n you over and over til your isk is dried up and you have to either fight in your mining ships and haulers or quit the game. (I'm referring to newer corps as obviously the bigger alliances aren't gonna run out of isk that easily) It's crap imo.

A wardec is a work around to kill peeps in empire without concord interference. The victim corp uses the work around of screw you we'll leave the alliance and just blue ball you in empire.

Now if the war is made mutual then perhaps I can see some penalty to just up and leaving.

I remember when I 1st started playing, I was in a small 6 man corp and we were dec'd cause we wouldn't fight some epeen waving douche in his BS with a ret and a badger.

There doesn't need to be a fee. Dec the major alliances and you'll have plenty of lemmings that don't watch local, scout gates or w/e to get your lawls and pretend your pro pvpers while padding your kb stats with crap kills to inflate your ego.

malcovas Henderson
Posted - 2011.06.16 08:31:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Cosmo Raata
Originally by: Thalis Malu
Originally by: Cosmo Raata
Not a bad idea, but to add to the annoying game mechanics meant to protect carebears.....CCP needs to force people out of the noob corps already. 3 months, then kick them into a corp pool of some sort that can be war decced or they can go join a corp and play eve the way its supposed to be played.



Not everyone plays, or enjoys playing, the way you do.


And? Those that sit in noob corps and play alone aren't playing the game right anyways. If they want security they should go play WoW, where all little carebears are in a constant state of protection. Eve is a mans game, CCP needs to give the new players a chance and then teach them to walk. Besides, you realize that almost 99% of small 5-10 man corps almost never get decced anyways. Its a social game, be social or play some tetris.


Are you for real?

I could say the same for you. You want PvP go play WoW arena's or BG's. I am very new to this game. I would imagine it would be close to 6 months training to be able to compete on a somewhat level playing field.

I lost a ship retrieving stuff from my own canister. I was impressed how the aggressor killed me so easily. I mean, I had mining lazors. That **** cuts through solid rock. How didnt I kill him.

I play this opened ended, free roaming game how I damn well please. You pay for my sub then I play how you say. Till then keep crying.

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.06.16 17:48:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Markis Silvairi
Originally by: Martinez
doesnt effect you why post anything. it does effect some, you added nothing to this post. agreeded most people dont want a change like this to happen, but that is because most of eve is carebears.


And you added what exactly to the topic? In my 1st post I did give another alternative other than crying on a forum.

Forcing non-combatants to pay to leave an alliance that's been wardeced basically amounts to extortion irreguardless if the isk goes to the wardec'n corp or CCP. Pay isk or we'll hunt you down and kill you and camp you in til we get bored. Then we'll just keep dec'n you over and over til your isk is dried up and you have to either fight in your mining ships and haulers or quit the game. (I'm referring to newer corps as obviously the bigger alliances aren't gonna run out of isk that easily) It's crap imo.

A wardec is a work around to kill peeps in empire without concord interference. The victim corp uses the work around of screw you we'll leave the alliance and just blue ball you in empire.

Now if the war is made mutual then perhaps I can see some penalty to just up and leaving.

I remember when I 1st started playing, I was in a small 6 man corp and we were dec'd cause we wouldn't fight some epeen waving douche in his BS with a ret and a badger.

There doesn't need to be a fee. Dec the major alliances and you'll have plenty of lemmings that don't watch local, scout gates or w/e to get your lawls and pretend your pro pvpers while padding your kb stats with crap kills to inflate your ego.


the war dec fee goes up every week if you continue to the dec. this has nothing to do with corps/alliances war dec corps. nothing has been said about keeping people in a corp. this is about alliance jumping corps like you posted about earlier. so i am going to have to agree with a eariler poster you didnt read the dissucssion.

as far as your advice to dec large alliances, we are 23 man alliance, we only dec large alliances, most are contracts. so dont lump us into your butthurt over some 6 man corp greifing you as a noob. we dont do that and that has nothign to do with this thread.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.16 18:18:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Martinez

as far as your advice to dec large alliances, we are 23 man alliance, we only dec large alliances, most are contracts. so dont lump us into your butthurt over some 6 man corp greifing you as a noob. we dont do that and that has nothign to do with this thread.


It actually has everything to do with this thread. Just because you're the only truly noble alliance our there that wouldn't abuse the system doesn't mean others wouldn't.

Yeah, I almost kept a straight face there.


Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.06.16 19:05:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Martinez

as far as your advice to dec large alliances, we are 23 man alliance, we only dec large alliances, most are contracts. so dont lump us into your butthurt over some 6 man corp greifing you as a noob. we dont do that and that has nothign to do with this thread.


It actually has everything to do with this thread. Just because you're the only truly noble alliance our there that wouldn't abuse the system doesn't mean others wouldn't.

Yeah, I almost kept a straight face there.



actually it didnt have anything to do with the disscussion. he referred to a 6 man corp dec his noob corp when he first joined. the disscussion is about corps leaving a alliance to stay out of war.

Markis Silvairi
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.16 19:06:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Martinez
the war dec fee goes up every week if you continue to the dec. this has nothing to do with corps/alliances war dec corps. nothing has been said about keeping people in a corp. this is about alliance jumping corps like you posted about earlier. so i am going to have to agree with a eariler poster you didnt read the dissucssion.

as far as your advice to dec large alliances, we are 23 man alliance, we only dec large alliances, most are contracts. so dont lump us into your butthurt over some 6 man corp greifing you as a noob. we dont do that and that has nothign to do with this thread.


lol I'm not butthurt at all about anything. That was just an example in response to -
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
its not about only wanting to fight noobs, industials, and afk miners. its about war dec'd a alliance and costing them isk, time, ships, and logistics issues.

alot of our contracts issued to us are to disrupt empire operations by large alliances. corps bailing during a war is lame and should cost the white flaggers isk to do it ever war dec.


and I didn't read the discussion? hmm
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.


I thought I have responded to the discussion. Lets try this again shall we.
Should there be a fee? again, NO.
Noone is FORCING an alliance to dec another one. The aggressor however is trying to FORCE someone else to fight them. If they don't want to fight you want them to pay a fine. So either way it's lose/lose if your not a pvp corp. Maybe the workaround for this would be that the aggressor pays the wardec fee to the alliance your trying to grief, then yes I'd go with the victim alliance having to pay to jump ship.

ARE WE ALL CLEAR NOW?!! AM I STILL OFF TOPIC?

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.06.16 19:32:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Markis Silvairi
Originally by: Martinez
the war dec fee goes up every week if you continue to the dec. this has nothing to do with corps/alliances war dec corps. nothing has been said about keeping people in a corp. this is about alliance jumping corps like you posted about earlier. so i am going to have to agree with a eariler poster you didnt read the dissucssion.

as far as your advice to dec large alliances, we are 23 man alliance, we only dec large alliances, most are contracts. so dont lump us into your butthurt over some 6 man corp greifing you as a noob. we dont do that and that has nothign to do with this thread.


lol I'm not butthurt at all about anything. That was just an example in response to -
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
its not about only wanting to fight noobs, industials, and afk miners. its about war dec'd a alliance and costing them isk, time, ships, and logistics issues.

alot of our contracts issued to us are to disrupt empire operations by large alliances. corps bailing during a war is lame and should cost the white flaggers isk to do it ever war dec.


and I didn't read the discussion? hmm
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.


I thought I have responded to the discussion. Lets try this again shall we.
Should there be a fee? again, NO.
Noone is FORCING an alliance to dec another one. The aggressor however is trying to FORCE someone else to fight them. If they don't want to fight you want them to pay a fine. So either way it's lose/lose if your not a pvp corp. Maybe the workaround for this would be that the aggressor pays the wardec fee to the alliance your trying to grief, then yes I'd go with the victim alliance having to pay to jump ship.

ARE WE ALL CLEAR NOW?!! AM I STILL OFF TOPIC?

your example was a corp vs corp(off topic) read post. so nobugs said its not about killing only industrials its about fighting the whole alliance and you think you where on topic? once again dont think if you dont want to fight you dont have to. you just have to pay a fee for a corp to leave a alliance, individuals can leave when ever.

Markis Silvairi
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.16 19:40:00 - [165]
 

ok... correct me if I'm wrong. Everyone keeps saying it's not about the corp but about the alliance. So, unless the alliance disbands over your wardec, you still have targets irreguardless if a couple corps leave. No they still shouldn't be charged a fee as you still have the rest of the alliance to shoot at.

Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.16 19:48:00 - [166]
 

I am adding to this discussion.

Brick Squad = Best Squad c/d?

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.06.16 20:41:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Markis Silvairi
ok... correct me if I'm wrong. Everyone keeps saying it's not about the corp but about the alliance. So, unless the alliance disbands over your wardec, you still have targets irreguardless if a couple corps leave. No they still shouldn't be charged a fee as you still have the rest of the alliance to shoot at.




correct, its about corps leaving. are there corps left over? yes most of the time. but as you previously stated its SOP for logistics corps or non pvp corps to leave a alliance during war. that is avoiding a war dec, that is what should be taxed. those corps enjoy the benefits of being in a big nice alliance, lets say abc ores, juicy rats, moon goo and so on.

there should be a fee charged for leaving during a war dec, period. the ammount? no idea, but it should be enough to make you think is this worth it, but not more than the war dec itself. if i had to throw a number out i was say 50 to 100 million fee to concord.

Ricardo Gonzalo Montalban
Posted - 2011.06.16 21:35:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: Cosmo Raata
Those that sit in noob corps and play alone aren't playing the game right anyways.


People like you make me want to take a **** to expunge the nasty **** I ate earlier.

Pointe Noire
Posted - 2011.06.16 21:46:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members


This is why many people are commenting on individuals dropping corp.

Ardamalis
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.16 22:18:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: Ardamalis on 16/06/2011 22:20:55

In my humble opinion, the 24 hour preparing to leave a corp timer should be extended to 72 hours during a wardec. Nothing too constricting but at least enough time to put yourself at some risk. Thoughts?

Utremi Fasolasi
Gallente
La Dolce Vita
Posted - 2011.06.16 22:30:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: malcovas Henderson

I lost a ship retrieving stuff from my own canister. I was impressed how the aggressor killed me so easily.


Ah can flipping... how it works is the flipper ejects an item and creates a can next to yours, moves your ore into theirs, and yours disappears.

So what is left is their can (yellow to you now) and if you take out of it YOU are now flagged as a criminal and they can shoot you...

Best thing to do is dock up when someone flips your ore or move to another belt..

more info: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Can_Flipping

and actually you can build up combat skills in just a few weeks for effective PVP. Doesn't take 6 months at all. One of my corp mates was pewpewing within about 2 weeks.

Hope it helps and happy flying

PS: I can't believe this topic has reached 6 pages...

Toshiroma McDiesel
Posted - 2011.06.17 03:55:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: Toshiroma McDiesel on 17/06/2011 04:09:03
Originally by: Pointe Noire
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members


This is why many people are commenting on individuals dropping corp.


Don't confuse things by bringing up facts, it only upsets them.

And don't bring up the sandbox "Butterfly Effect Video" because most people seem to leave out the ending - you can save the gankee, as is shown, and be a hero; you can join the gankers, and be the bad guy; (or the roles can be reversed, it's all in the eye of the beholder) OR.....as the video states....you can fly on by and not be apart of the PVP..... Thats what the sandbox means, you can play it how you like, and you can't be forced to play it how someone else thinks you have to play it. This isn't a PVP game, and this isn't a carebear game, this is the sandbox, you play how you want to play, and you have no right trying to tell other people how they are suppose to play, because it is their sandbox as well.

(PS, considering that everyone say 80% of the players are carebear, do you realy want to upset them and make them threaten CCP to change the game in their favor or they will stop playing?)

edit: I've been ganked a few times in my short couple of months that I've been playing, all in high sec. That isn't what bothers me about this thread. It's the "I've payed for a War Dec, I deserve to gank who ever I want, no matter how they feel about it, and CCP better make sure they don't upset my fun."

Prey Forme
Posted - 2011.06.17 05:31:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.


You need to understand that not everybody wants to play your daft little wars, and have better, more productive things to do.

Prey Forme
Posted - 2011.06.17 06:01:00 - [174]
 

War decs are now completely out of control. They are killing new and popular corps trough extortion, and more and more players are opting NOT to join a corporation so that they may play unhindered.

Oarta
Posted - 2011.06.17 06:49:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Martinez

correct, its about corps leaving. are there corps left over? yes most of the time. but as you previously stated its SOP for logistics corps or non pvp corps to leave a alliance during war. that is avoiding a war dec, that is what should be taxed. those corps enjoy the benefits of being in a big nice alliance, lets say abc ores, juicy rats, moon goo and so on.

there should be a fee charged for leaving during a war dec, period. the ammount? no idea, but it should be enough to make you think is this worth it, but not more than the war dec itself. if i had to throw a number out i was say 50 to 100 million fee to concord.


Those corps get to enjoy the benefits of the nice big alliance, so if the alliance is fine with them leaving during a War-Dec then it should be a non-issue. If anything, leaving during a time of war would be something the alliance should handle with those corps who left and not some aggressor advocate.

They lose the benefits of said alliance when they leave and while they are gone so there is 'damage' done by the deceleration.

Then again, it would seem your main goal would be to force the hands of non-combat corps to provide easy targets for you. Otherwise you would just destroy the remainder PVP corps and thus collapse the alliance leaving no place for the non-combat corps to return.

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.17 12:07:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.


No - there shouldn't.

There is no reason people (or corps) have to sit around "just because you dec'd them". You are not some special little snowflake, your not unique. Also, CCP have stated that people can drop corp any time, for any reason, for any length of time, then rejoin at any time, for any reason, for any length of time.

What they can't do (The "I-Mun" exploit") was to join an alliance and then leave the alliance to "wipe" the war-dec off the corp and onto the alliance.

What they can't do is war-dec themselves with 10 to 20 alt-corps to raise the war-dec fee.

What they (and you) can't do is Surprise join on a target.


You can look at the money you spend (The war dec alliance pays big money only to have the target flee... BIG MONEY? LOL!) as being pvp'd by the corp/members who leave corp. They pvp'd you (and cost you money and time) by leaving corp. Suck it up.

Suicide ganking is a viable alternative. And no one cares if you have to rat to raise your sec status after - if your worth a dam to hire in the first place, you've got the skillz to pop their haulers with throw - away Dessie alts.

ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Posted - 2011.06.18 01:27:00 - [177]
 


Suicide ganking is a viable alternative. And no one cares if you have to rat to raise your sec status after - if your worth a dam to hire in the first place, you've got the skillz to pop their haulers with throw - away Dessie alts.



that isnt a option, that is not pvp at all. hunting a target regardless whether it is a frieghter, mission runner, or pvper is fun. dont mind people hiding. no matter what you say there should be a fee for corps to just leave a alliance during a war dec with no penalty

Markis Silvairi
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.18 04:33:00 - [178]
 

So why bring this to the forums as a discussion about everyone's opinion on the subject when you make it so obvious that you really want no discussion at all but were in fact just hoping everyone would agree with you.

Don't ask questions that you really don't want to be answered.

Acac Sunflyier
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.18 05:44:00 - [179]
 

Okay, I think the op has had enough flaming for the month. Though I think the features and ideas discussion is that way ------>


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