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Sealiah
Minmatar
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
Posted - 2011.06.09 10:32:00 - [61]
 

Well, 0/10 for a troll, but I will reply this time...

Move to F&I too please, better flame there.

Also from the bigger point of view, if people are leaving a corp/alliance when you war dec them, you should be happy. After all, that's what a war dec is for, leading to the destruction or surrendering of your enemy. Only this is, that they surrender before the actual war begins... Just like the French :P

OverlordY
Posted - 2011.06.09 11:43:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Oskold Das
Stop targeting hi-sec indy corps and maybe you'll get real targets.


Nearly every post in here was answered by that.

Inquisitor Bernardo Gui
Amarr
Holy Imperial Inquisition
Posted - 2011.06.09 12:45:00 - [63]
 

Let the frightened ones whose hearts tremble in terror at the sight of bloodshed flee is that's what they wish. That's what the four empires have agreed upon and where we rule, these laws must be obeyed.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.09 12:48:00 - [64]
 

To hell with the op. Are you so pathetic at PvP that you need to keep your focus on industrial carebears to inflate your kill boards, or are you man enough to let the weak flee and take on the targets that actually want to fight?

Kate Rygel
Posted - 2011.06.09 13:11:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Cosmo Raata
And? Those that sit in noob corps and play alone aren't playing the game right anyways. If they want security they should go play WoW, where all little carebears are in a constant state of protection. Eve is a mans game, CCP needs to give the new players a chance and then teach them to walk. Besides, you realize that almost 99% of small 5-10 man corps almost never get decced anyways. Its a social game, be social or play some tetris.


Real men control their aggression and know how to keep their ego in check. BOYS are the ones that run thier mouth and are constantly looking for fights, then cry foul when someone with half a brain refuses to fight against the overwhelming odds.

If you were a man (obviously not) and had some balls you'd go to the fight that's available (in 0.0) and quit whining about the easy targets avoiding you.


Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.09 13:16:00 - [66]
 

Lulz at griefer tears

Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.06.09 13:17:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 09/06/2011 03:58:29

Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
sounds like someone got killed by the orphanage. not all war decs involve the orphanage so are between other alliances. the reprocussions of war decs should be felt by the members. they shouldnt be able to leave alliance and rejoin after a week or two with no reprocussions.


I got killed by no one. Nor will I ever be on those terms. I have two chars well skilled and not connected in any way or form. If war decced I just play the other and earn my isk while the corp deccing me wastes their isk. That or I grab a couple of people to join and give them what they want if the odds aren't too bad.

But for those using it properly I gues it can be annoying yes. Like many things..the whole war dec system could be redone to work right for everyone and to eliminate the chance of being abused.
so you are a chicken?




He's not a chicken you're a turkey!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_GgUNF5sTA

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.06.09 13:22:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Kerrisone
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 09/06/2011 03:58:29

Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
sounds like someone got killed by the orphanage. not all war decs involve the orphanage so are between other alliances. the reprocussions of war decs should be felt by the members. they shouldnt be able to leave alliance and rejoin after a week or two with no reprocussions.


I got killed by no one. Nor will I ever be on those terms. I have two chars well skilled and not connected in any way or form. If war decced I just play the other and earn my isk while the corp deccing me wastes their isk. That or I grab a couple of people to join and give them what they want if the odds aren't too bad.

But for those using it properly I gues it can be annoying yes. Like many things..the whole war dec system could be redone to work right for everyone and to eliminate the chance of being abused.
so you are a chicken?




He's not a chicken you're a turkey!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_GgUNF5sTA


rofl Laughing

Enuen Ravenseye
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.06.09 13:26:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Kate Rygel
Real men control their aggression and know how to keep their ego in check. BOYS are the ones that run thier mouth and are constantly looking for fights, then cry foul when someone with half a brain refuses to fight against the overwhelming odds.

If you were a man (obviously not) and had some balls you'd go to the fight that's available (in 0.0) and quit whining about the easy targets avoiding you.


I've never wanted you more then I do right now ....

Irulan Corinno
Caldari
714th SQN - Snowflakes
Posted - 2011.06.09 13:33:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Kate Rygel
Eve is a mans game

So you think girls shouldn't play EVE?

And I thought CCP was also making Incarna with the idea of attracting more female players in mind ..

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.09 13:35:00 - [71]
 

OP, you're utterly pathetic.

It is perfectly legitimate to wardec a corporation. It is also perfectly legitimate to leave a corporation that is being wardecced, given that people pay a monthly fee for this game, and are thus entitled to spend the time they pay for in this game doing something they find fun. If that doesn't include lining up to die for your self-gratification, well, boo-hoo.

HTFU, post with your main, and if you want a game where you're always allowed to shoot someone, go and play Halo.

Diamond Knights
Posted - 2011.06.09 14:21:00 - [72]
 

I am pretty sure that you can kill just about anybody that you want in this game unless they are in a station. I seem to recall that things like Hulkageddon are proof of that.

The OP wants to hide behind the same shield that the 'cowards' are hiding behind, but he won't admit it. He wants his cheap ships, his safe systems, and his easy way of ganking. He doesn't want to have to look over his shoulder and see anything but CONCORD protecting him while he beats up kids for their lunch money.

Takseen
Posted - 2011.06.09 14:34:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Diamond Knights
I am pretty sure that you can kill just about anybody that you want in this game unless they are in a station. I seem to recall that things like Hulkageddon are proof of that.
The OP wants to hide behind the same shield that the 'cowards' are hiding behind, but he won't admit it. He wants his cheap ships, his safe systems, and his easy way of ganking. He doesn't want to have to look over his shoulder and see anything but CONCORD protecting him while he beats up kids for their lunch money.


This, pretty much. There's already 3 other "zones" in Eve where you can kill anyone you please. And who can kill you in return. Wardecs are a messy system but I think CCP is better off improving pvp in null and lowsec first.

Koramok
Amarr
Cold Carbon Institute
Posted - 2011.06.09 18:38:00 - [74]
 

I love you hardcore PvPers who only want to gank carebears and then cry when they figure out how to make that more difficult.

Katra Novac
Posted - 2011.06.09 19:13:00 - [75]
 

Well if corps keep picking on soft targets in high-sec what do you expect.

No I don't think there should be a penalty for people leaving a corp during a war-dec as the corp they're leaving can enforce a penalty if they like by not inviting them back.

If anything it should cost more to invoke a war-dec than it does already, might help get rid of some of the silly war-decs in high-sec on small corps. CONCORD seems to be really bad when it comes to extortion.

Adelain Niska
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2011.06.09 20:00:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.


I think you are actually dumber that you seem to be.



Adelain Niska
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2011.06.09 20:04:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Cosmo Raata
Originally by: Thalis Malu
Those that sit in noob corps and play alone aren't playing the game right anyways.


Really? Where are the rules about "playing the game right" in the Eve manual and what section covers your personal opinion on playing the game?

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.06.09 20:56:00 - [78]
 

I'd rather see the dec stick on the individual character that left for a 24 hour stasis period really, might curb corp hopping to avoid decs a little bit...

...just don't tell anyone if you make that change CCP... YARRRR!!

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.09 21:43:00 - [79]
 

Misread thread title ... was expecting pics. Disapointed.

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.06.10 00:18:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Sealiah
Well, 0/10 for a troll, but I will reply this time...

Move to F&I too please, better flame there.

Also from the bigger point of view, if people are leaving a corp/alliance when you war dec them, you should be happy. After all, that's what a war dec is for, leading to the destruction or surrendering of your enemy. Only this is, that they surrender before the actual war begins... Just like the French :P



wrong, we dont dec people to make them disband. we dec them for fun, contracts, and money. the op was suggesting that a corp to leave a alliance while its war dec should pay a fee either to the war dec alliance or to concord as a surrender tax or something of that nature. eve is about risk vs reward, without the chance of ever dying seems it make alliance fleeing is a work around on the mechanics of the war dec.

it is pretty appearent that there are very few pvpers answering on this thread though.

Takseen
Posted - 2011.06.10 00:32:00 - [81]
 

I think you might be looking at things the wrong way. Perhaps there's not enough bonuses for non-pvp characters who retain their corp tag when they're at war, compared to the extra risks.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.10 00:43:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.


You tell your enemy ahead of time that you're about to attack them, and they hide in response. And you're surprised? Next time suicide gank them. Or infiltrate their corp and attack from within. You have options besides, "psst, hey buddy, we're going to attack you tomorrow."

A war-dec makes about as much sense as running to Mommy and asking if you can beat up your little brother for five dollars.


Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.10 01:17:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Silas Cooper
Originally by: Sgt Blade
If my char is specced out with to only be able to haul stuff, mine roids refine ore and build ships, how the hell would I be able to defend myself against a war dec. I might as well just stop playing for a few days or leave the alliance/corp I'm in and carry on playing.

From a player who has spent most of the time doing pvp, go find some real target who will fight back.


Well, perhaps you then should have thought of that a tad sooner and spent some effort getting your SP, experience and knowledge up on the PVP part of the game. Perhaps not to the level of being competitive but at least being able to avoid issues or have *some* idea on what to do. Not realising, or acknowledging, that this is a PVP centric game isn't an excuse. Not if you're older than some arbitrary few months (newbies have a real excuse to not know stuff, older players do not).


Yes, why don't we all just spec PvP and let CCP fill the game with NPC provided modules and ships. Then we can truly be PvP centric; rather like BFBC2 in space, which is what everyone seems to think this is.

btw.. plenty of highsec corps have griefer alts, and plenty of highsec griefers have Indy alts. Fact is, you have to choose one or the other, or you're useless at both. I know that from experience by the way. 30 Million SP doesn't mean anything, if it's half and half.

Way to rationalize.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.10 01:24:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: Mars Theran
Edited by: Mars Theran on 09/06/2011 07:50:11
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
*snip*


lol i doubt you will show me anything with your 55 kills and 56 losses. adults are talking back to your room son.


^^this is what's wrong with EVE. Taken beyond PvP to the point of bullying and harrassing people for playing the game differently, or protecting their own interests in a system where loss has real meaning.

EVE War Dec PvP boils down to this for the most part: Wardeccing party has 12 members specifically trained for PvP roles, fit for those roles, and gank-linked/boosted accordingly. Non-wardeccing party has 3 members trained for whatever they do, (maybe PvP), and maybe gang-boosted. Non-wardeccing party can fight, (and not be chicken as you say it), but they will lose ships, ISK, and the rest.

You expect and want them to fight, and when they do not you bash them, call them cowards and hang about wherever they hole up harrassing them under the auspices of a wardec.

If your prey has the intelligence to avoid a conflict they obviously cannot win and ignore your initial harrassment attempting to get them to fight, then you should respect that and move on. Here, you even harrass non-wardecced parties, proving you really are just bullying people randomly to pump up your rather inflated ego.

Your kills are not the result of skills, so you have no business feeling superior to anyone. Your kills are simply the result of focused aggression, numbers in your favor, and choosing only fights you can win with all your stacking bonuses and benefits, and a bit of practice winning. That's it.



k let me get this straight. i make a post about a idea. a guy comes into my post talking about he will show me a f-ing war dec and i am what the problem with eve. dude you are a moron. this is exactly why war decs should have reprocussions. he runs his mouth. he gets war dec. judging by your alliance you shouldnt be talking.



The guy made a post reflecting on your post, and only invited you to a Nullsec wardec, (meaning: come to Null, and my friends and I will not wardec you, but we'll loot your corpses anyway when we're done), and you responded with a personal attack. That's what is wrong with EVE. Implying that he's a child who can't handle himself, and you are a stern disapproving father figure who thinks he should keep his mouth shut like the ignorant child he is, is not only insulting, it's personal. Keep it in the game or gtfo.

My Alliance/Corp is a holding Alliance. It does nothing, and doesn't reflect my game experience. Neither does my main, who is in fact my 2nd main. My first and all my alts have been sold, because I got sick of tedious crap and not having enough PvP skills in a game that pretty much demands strictly PvP skills as a result of griefing and the lack of any incentive to be in highsec.

ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Posted - 2011.06.10 01:42:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Mars Theran
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: Mars Theran
Edited by: Mars Theran on 09/06/2011 07:50:11
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
*snip*


lol i doubt you will show me anything with your 55 kills and 56 losses. adults are talking back to your room son.


^^this is what's wrong with EVE. Taken beyond PvP to the point of bullying and harrassing people for playing the game differently, or protecting their own interests in a system where loss has real meaning.

EVE War Dec PvP boils down to this for the most part: Wardeccing party has 12 members specifically trained for PvP roles, fit for those roles, and gank-linked/boosted accordingly. Non-wardeccing party has 3 members trained for whatever they do, (maybe PvP), and maybe gang-boosted. Non-wardeccing party can fight, (and not be chicken as you say it), but they will lose ships, ISK, and the rest.

You expect and want them to fight, and when they do not you bash them, call them cowards and hang about wherever they hole up harrassing them under the auspices of a wardec.

If your prey has the intelligence to avoid a conflict they obviously cannot win and ignore your initial harrassment attempting to get them to fight, then you should respect that and move on. Here, you even harrass non-wardecced parties, proving you really are just bullying people randomly to pump up your rather inflated ego.

Your kills are not the result of skills, so you have no business feeling superior to anyone. Your kills are simply the result of focused aggression, numbers in your favor, and choosing only fights you can win with all your stacking bonuses and benefits, and a bit of practice winning. That's it.



k let me get this straight. i make a post about a idea. a guy comes into my post talking about he will show me a f-ing war dec and i am what the problem with eve. dude you are a moron. this is exactly why war decs should have reprocussions. he runs his mouth. he gets war dec. judging by your alliance you shouldnt be talking.



The guy made a post reflecting on your post, and only invited you to a Nullsec wardec, (meaning: come to Null, and my friends and I will not wardec you, but we'll loot your corpses anyway when we're done), and you responded with a personal attack. That's what is wrong with EVE. Implying that he's a child who can't handle himself, and you are a stern disapproving father figure who thinks he should keep his mouth shut like the ignorant child he is, is not only insulting, it's personal. Keep it in the game or gtfo.

My Alliance/Corp is a holding Alliance. It does nothing, and doesn't reflect my game experience. Neither does my main, who is in fact my 2nd main. My first and all my alts have been sold, because I got sick of tedious crap and not having enough PvP skills in a game that pretty much demands strictly PvP skills as a result of griefing and the lack of any incentive to be in highsec.


you dont think in anyway he was being disrespectful in his responce and deserved a stern responce?

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.10 05:12:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: Mars Theran


*snip*

you dont think in anyway he was being disrespectful in his responce and deserved a stern responce?


Pyramid quoting ruined a perfectly good post. Here's a suggestion CCP: when you go and do something like that, how about you return me to a window with everything I've just typed still written. I swear, I've lost hundreds of pages to that crap with the going to fast rebound, and now this out of nowhere. My responses on this forum are thought out and hold value to me, so quit trashing them.

Back to you TANBIE!

I had a response for you. Quite intelligent, respectful, and even worth reading. Let me see if I can summarize what I can remember.

..nope.


Sealiah
Minmatar
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
Posted - 2011.06.10 12:59:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Martinez
Originally by: Sealiah
Well, 0/10 for a troll, but I will reply this time...

Move to F&I too please, better flame there.

Also from the bigger point of view, if people are leaving a corp/alliance when you war dec them, you should be happy. After all, that's what a war dec is for, leading to the destruction or surrendering of your enemy. Only this is, that they surrender before the actual war begins... Just like the French :P



wrong, we dont dec people to make them disband. we dec them for fun, contracts, and money. the op was suggesting that a corp to leave a alliance while its war dec should pay a fee either to the war dec alliance or to concord as a surrender tax or something of that nature. eve is about risk vs reward, without the chance of ever dying seems it make alliance fleeing is a work around on the mechanics of the war dec.

it is pretty appearent that there are very few pvpers answering on this thread though.


Well, if you do it for fun... Then YOU got the idea of what is a war dec for wrong. It's a corporation war deccing another corporation - to make it weaker. It's not about the people, it's about the corp/alliance. When it disbands or people flee, you win. That's the main point.

Besides, if they'd have to pay to leave, it would be YOU getting rewards with no risk. Your risk is that they will just disband and give you the finger while they do so. Their risk of running a corp is that they will get war decced by some half-brained griefers who think they are so cool because they can kill a hulk.

And btw, war deccing corps whos members totally run from you ISN'T PVP, although you may think it is. War deccing high sec, low-sp or industrial corps is like beating up a 5 year old because he goes to the same primary school that you do. If you want pvp, go to low sec, or even better, join one of the big alliances in 0.0, you'll find pvp there. The REAL pvp, not bullying-pvp.

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2011.06.10 13:17:00 - [88]
 

Lulzy, I have not once, ever, never, never, ever, not once, seen a war declared by anyone fighting outside of high sec. No one bothers with that **** in null. The only people that complain about corps dissolving in the face of a war dec are the people that use the wardec mechanic to get around system sec status so they can get at the juicy defenseless industrials and freighters. Then they come to the forums and whine that pay for grief isn't good enough, CCP has to make sure the target gets griefed somehow. Because if they don't you'll... what? Find someone who can and will shoot back? But we all know you won't do this.

I would say that since you chose to fight those who don't want to fight, you have no one to blame but yourselves when they... that's right, don't fight.

Here's a suggestion, fly into nullsec and shoot at the first ship you see.

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.06.10 14:53:00 - [89]
 

If a corporation leaves an alliance for war then rejoins after its petitionable, (though i have no idea what the repercussions are. Same goes for players leaving and rejoining).

My personal preference would be to have the week long wardec still applicable to the corp that left alliance, seeing as they were part of the alliance that you paid a fee to wardec.

Also, to those of you complaining about the 'griefers' war deccing you, just fit up some cheap ships and fly about en-masse, you can do good damage with a good FC. Just remember to warp your PODs out when you explode.

I cannot recommend this highly enough, the adrenaline rush that you get from your first time at PVP is great fun.

Foralai Altrus
Posted - 2011.06.10 15:12:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Skippermonkey
If a corporation leaves an alliance for war then rejoins after its petitionable, (though i have no idea what the repercussions are. Same goes for players leaving and rejoining).

My personal preference would be to have the week long wardec still applicable to the corp that left alliance, seeing as they were part of the alliance that you paid a fee to wardec.

Also, to those of you complaining about the 'griefers' war deccing you, just fit up some cheap ships and fly about en-masse, you can do good damage with a good FC. Just remember to warp your PODs out when you explode.

I cannot recommend this highly enough, the adrenaline rush that you get from your first time at PVP is great fun.


Actually no rules ban leaving a corp or alliance and rejoining, except in a manner that is used to exploit (aka rejoin and engage before a session change so you do not show up as a war target)

Been made clear in the past.

You want targets, pick people that will fight back.

Remember by undocking you are not protected from PVP, but you are also not guaranteed a chance to engage in PVP


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