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Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.08 07:45:00 - [1]
 

"The lady doth proesteth too much" or something similar goes the quote.

I have read on here seemingly countless threads from Americans whining about the Russian bots ruining the game.

Yet, when it's getting to Prime Time US Spoiled Brat Kiddy Time I may as well pack up my mining ship and wait for the downtime to reset the ores in the belts.

Yes, the Russians, the Chinese and everyone else who has appeared as a Bogey Man on the 'It's Hollywood So It Must Be True' Rambo/Chuck Norris (repeat ad nauseum) films may have their bots but, By Jove!, not as many as the bloody Yanks.

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.06.08 07:50:00 - [2]
 

glorious exposition comrade!

Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.08 08:12:00 - [3]
 

Confirming the overwhelming majority of bots are Australian.

OP is half right, pack up the miner, undock the ganker.


Lidia Prince
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.08 08:13:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Sarmatiko
glorious exposition comrade!

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.06.08 08:32:00 - [5]
 

CCP should just make it so you have to punch in a captcha every half hour - hour you are playing while not saying anything, or following some other necessary action for when you are actually playing. Not that hard to implement something as simple as a pop up window. And I doubt anyone would notice this as being annoying for god sake, the journal never stops ****ing blinking.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.08 09:01:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 08/06/2011 09:06:10
Originally by: Digital Messiah
CCP should just make it so you have to punch in a captcha every half hour


ugh.

"Hi... I thought about this for 3 seconds and came up with the same old tired crap as everyone else who hasn't thunk about it."

CAPTCHA doesn't work.

http://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest/

Quote:

It is a logical fallacy, then, to hail CAPTCHA as a spam-busting panacea. Even 10% accuracy by a computer amounts to system failure, just at a slower rate. It is also faulty logic to believe that the adoption of CAPTCHA in large sites is evidence of its supremacy in fighting spam. Indeed, a number of techniques are as effective as CAPTCHA, without causing the human interaction step that causes usability and accessibility issues.


Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.08 09:17:00 - [7]
 

Hmm, so I am there sipping a latte and reading the latest journal from the Welsh Sunburn Studies whilst, with half an eye, watching my mining tug ripping an asteroid to bits when a fleet of pirates hove to on the starboard bow. I reach over for the missile and drone launchers but...

The Captcha dialog appears.

The Myfanfy failing eyesight misreads the Capcha. The shields go down. Another attmpt is made. Is that a D or a zero or even a B? Who can tell? The Armour vanishes in a plume of smoke. Last chance; that is either a Q or an O. Who call tell from the inside of the pod.

I can't warp out as I can't differntiate between a T, a J and a 7.

No matter. Penty of time to sort this out when getting the Medical Clone refitted with new implants.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.06.08 09:25:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Hmm, so I am there sipping a latte and reading the latest journal from the Welsh Sunburn Studies whilst, with half an eye, watching my mining tug ripping an asteroid to bits when a fleet of pirates hove to on the starboard bow. I reach over for the missile and drone launchers but...

The Captcha dialog appears.

The Myfanfy failing eyesight misreads the Capcha. The shields go down. Another attmpt is made. Is that a D or a zero or even a B? Who can tell? The Armour vanishes in a plume of smoke. Last chance; that is either a Q or an O. Who call tell from the inside of the pod.

I can't warp out as I can't differntiate between a T, a J and a 7.

No matter. Penty of time to sort this out when getting the Medical Clone refitted with new implants.

have read this many times but this story is most funny!Very Happy

Gangotri XII
Posted - 2011.06.08 09:26:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Hmm, so I am there sipping a latte and reading the latest journal from the Welsh Sunburn Studies whilst, with half an eye, watching my mining tug ripping an asteroid to bits when a fleet of pirates hove to on the starboard bow. I reach over for the missile and drone launchers but...

The Captcha dialog appears.

The Myfanfy failing eyesight misreads the Capcha. The shields go down. Another attmpt is made. Is that a D or a zero or even a B? Who can tell? The Armour vanishes in a plume of smoke. Last chance; that is either a Q or an O. Who call tell from the inside of the pod.

I can't warp out as I can't differntiate between a T, a J and a 7.

No matter. Penty of time to sort this out when getting the Medical Clone refitted with new implants.


you just made my morning ;)

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.08 09:54:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Digital Messiah
CCP should just make it so you have to punch in a captcha



sorry, but captcha is just a waste of time. there's a firefox plugin that actually bypasses captcha from dload sites, did you know that?Razz

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.06.08 09:59:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Digital Messiah
CCP should just make it so you have to punch in a captcha every half hour - hour you are playing while not saying anything, or following some other necessary action for when you are actually playing. Not that hard to implement something as simple as a pop up window. And I doubt anyone would notice this as being annoying for god sake, the journal never stops ****ing blinking.

Or they might, god forbit, get rid of game mechanics that are so mind numbigly repetive and predictable that even a simple macro can do it without user intervention Shocked

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.08 10:27:00 - [12]
 

NO system is perfect, but something resembling CAPTCHA would slow things down a bit for the botters. Especially if adjusted every downtime to make it more difficult for OCR to read.

For those saying it can be bypassed: some clever coding can be used to prevent your mining guns and strippers from firing unless you enter the correct time-stamped "license code" for the time you are mining.

It can be done, and the botters can be slowed down if not stopped.

It's just a matter of getting it done.


Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.06.08 10:40:00 - [13]
 

Its mornings like this I feel I have truly accomplished something. For all the ideas one person can have surely those of originality are few and far between. Either way something needs to be done. And CCP is seemingly taking the hard route to do it.

IP's, credit card info, big brother surveillance, and what ever is necessary. The first time I tried this game out was in 06. A bountiful future of opportunity and fortune laid before me in the many belts. Now the economy is being run more and more by the biggest players imaginable. And appropriately fueled in part by the equivalent of sweat shops.

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.06.08 10:52:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Sarmatiko on 08/06/2011 10:54:11
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
NO system is perfect, but something resembling CAPTCHA would slow things down a bit for the botters. Especially if adjusted every downtime to make it more difficult for OCR to read.


Easy captcha will be recognized with no problems with basic OCR. Hard captcha will just make you look stupid.
Did you ever tried to enter captcha generated with heavy noise, multiple special symbols and unicode characters with umlaut and some wave distortion for dessert? Did you ever reloaded captcha about twenty times in row just to find image that not cause your eyes bleeding? When I see such captcha on site I'm just leaving because site owners are not professional and not respecting visitors.

ps: there is bot reporting button implemented already. Stop the whine ffs Evil or Very Mad

Lenore Leelu
Posted - 2011.06.08 11:53:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Chopper Rollins
Confirming the overwhelming majority of bots are Australian.

OP is half right, pack up the miner, undock the ganker.




That can't be right, we only have one Hulk and its held together by Vegemite and Koalas.

Coldhearted One
Posted - 2011.06.08 19:13:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Coldhearted One on 08/06/2011 19:13:16
by all means comrade, please bot away!!!Laughing
when Dust514 becomes "live at 5" somebody better contact riverini's arse and let him know that your botting days will be "Death Starred" to pieces.
we will use our unscannable 'gus to get into position in eve and our les saboteurs into your corps and set the greatest trap since our brethren the goonies put away "BaBOB".
"the force is strong is this young one!!!" YARRRR!!Twisted Evil
confirming this is not your grandma's glasnost. Laughing

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
Posted - 2011.06.08 19:17:00 - [17]
 

It's still the Chinese in the US TZ.

Didn't you know? By day the botters are breaking rocks in a hard labour camp.

Mika Malicious
Posted - 2011.06.08 19:19:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Coldhearted One
Edited by: Coldhearted One on 08/06/2011 19:13:16
by all means comrade, please bot away!!!Laughing
when Dust514 becomes "live at 5" somebody better contact riverini's arse and let him know that your botting days will be "Death Starred" to pieces.
we will use our unscannable 'gus to get into position in eve and our les saboteurs into your corps and set the greatest trap since our brethren the goonies put away "BaBOB".
"the force is strong is this young one!!!" YARRRR!!Twisted Evil
confirming this is not your grandma's glasnost. Laughing

Was it just me, or did that actually make any sense?

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.08 19:26:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 08/06/2011 09:06:10
Originally by: Digital Messiah
CCP should just make it so you have to punch in a captcha every half hour


ugh.

"Hi... I thought about this for 3 seconds and came up with the same old tired crap as everyone else who hasn't thunk about it."

CAPTCHA doesn't work.

http://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest/

Quote:

It is a logical fallacy, then, to hail CAPTCHA as a spam-busting panacea. Even 10% accuracy by a computer amounts to system failure, just at a slower rate. It is also faulty logic to believe that the adoption of CAPTCHA in large sites is evidence of its supremacy in fighting spam. Indeed, a number of techniques are as effective as CAPTCHA, without causing the human interaction step that causes usability and accessibility issues.




Who cares that it doesn't work? We need CAPTCHA to annoy the miners.

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.06.08 20:05:00 - [20]
 

As glad as I am this topic didn't die. I feel like more and more it's simply being flooded by mission / pvpers. The point is that CCP Should dc on the hour every hour for three days every Chinese / Russian ip address and see the difference in the number of bots. And yes the AUSies are exclusive to this because like previously posted. Vegemite and koala's are impervious to dc's.

Coldhearted One
Posted - 2011.06.08 21:30:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Coldhearted One on 08/06/2011 21:31:29
Originally by: Mika Malicious
Originally by: Coldhearted One
Edited by: Coldhearted One on 08/06/2011 19:13:16
by all means comrade, please bot away!!!Laughing
when Dust514 becomes "live at 5" somebody better contact riverini's arse and let him know that your botting days will be "Death Starred" to pieces.
we will use our unscannable 'gus to get into position in eve and our les saboteurs into your corps and set the greatest trap since our brethren the goonies put away "BaBOB".
"the force is strong is this young one!!!" YARRRR!!Twisted Evil
confirming this is not your grandma's glasnost. Laughing

Was it just me, or did that actually make any sense?

it did and it does, young padawan.
we must lead the final rebellion and take back our homeland. YARRRR!!Twisted EvilRazz we must eliminate all botters from eve. Evil or Very Mad

Tri Vetra
Minmatar
Ascetic Virtues
Posted - 2011.06.08 21:36:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Digital Messiah
As glad as I am this topic didn't die. I feel like more and more it's simply being flooded by mission / pvpers. The point is that CCP Should dc on the hour every hour for three days every Chinese / Russian ip address and see the difference in the number of bots. And yes the AUSies are exclusive to this because like previously posted. Vegemite and koala's are impervious to dc's.


Good thing this is not your server and you don't make the rules! I mean it would be pretty awkward to have my subscription at mercy of some subhuman foreigner who was victimized by his countries' overly politicized education system.

NOT A ALT
Posted - 2011.06.08 21:36:00 - [23]
 

even if the 'bots' are real ppl, nothing you can do, prisoners in china forced and beaten to mine minerals how you gonna 'captcha' out the forced labor its not just computer programs forced to play the game, its real people

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.08 22:02:00 - [24]
 

The OP totally doesnt get what going on.

People arent blaming Russians because they are worried about bots.

They are blaming bots because they are worried about Russians.

Blackjack Turner
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2011.06.08 22:31:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
"The lady doth proesteth too much" or something similar goes the quote.

I have read on here seemingly countless threads from Americans whining about the Russian bots ruining the game.

Yet, when it's getting to Prime Time US Spoiled Brat Kiddy Time I may as well pack up my mining ship and wait for the downtime to reset the ores in the belts.

Yes, the Russians, the Chinese and everyone else who has appeared as a Bogey Man on the 'It's Hollywood So It Must Be True' Rambo/Chuck Norris (repeat ad nauseum) films may have their bots but, By Jove!, not as many as the bloody Yanks.



Are you sure they were ALL Americans? That's like sating all botters are Russian. Or all low sec courier mission runners are Chinese. Bloody Yank is like calling a Brit a forking Limey.

Reonetii
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.08 23:09:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal


No matter. Penty of time to sort this out when getting the Medical Clone refitted with new implants.



Remembering, that there is actually more time than you quote, while you sit out your ban, for not completing the anti botting captcha.

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.06.09 03:35:00 - [27]
 

If I didn't have them to tell me what high sec Gulag to work out of. Well I simply wouldn't know what to do with my mineral market or mining career : /. And for the previous quoter of my last post. It was a joke just as this statement now is. I know that the bot issue is spread over every country. But something needs to be done.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.09 03:39:00 - [28]
 

Just dumb. Last 50 times morons suggested CAPTCHA it was dumb too.

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.06.09 03:48:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Just dumb. Last 50 times morons suggested CAPTCHA it was dumb too.
I thought it was established we had moved on past this topic. Also what is an idea you think would help the current situation?

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.09 04:44:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
The OP totally doesnt get what going on.

People arent blaming Russians because they are worried about bots.

They are blaming bots because they are worried about Russians.

First Space Zombie's, then Space Robots and now Space Russians.

WTF is gonna invade us next?


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