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C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:54:00 - [1]
 

EVE Online: Incursion 1.6.1 has been deployed. This release includes fixes to issues introduced by the Incursion 1.6 patch. Please check the patch notes for full details of this release.

Please note that any issues you may encounter with this patch should be directed to the Incursion 1.6.1 Issues Thread.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2011.06.07 15:51:00 - [2]
 

First. \o/

Eh, well that certainly was a patch wasn't it? Keep up the good work.

Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.06.07 15:51:00 - [3]
 

I actually liked the white rings around active cloaks.

Good job with this update though, the UI engine transition went smoother than anyone had a right to expect IMO.

Gerth Dopple
Hole Spectors
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:32:00 - [4]
 

Good job on the patch. So far I haven't had any probe names disappearing. And I can see my cap level regardless of the BG colour.

Noisette Tata
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:46:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Iam Widdershins
I actually liked the white rings around active cloaks.


Same here. The green tint can sometimes be difficult to see depending on the background of the solar system. The white ring made it clear.

Azuse
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:47:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Azuse on 07/06/2011 16:52:48
Originally by: Iam Widdershins
I actually liked the white rings around active cloaks.


I have to agree, as I know many other do. This was an improvement top the UI which made it very clear at a glance they were on and solved all the "better press again oh I died" problems. You accidentally did something positive then reversed it. It seems almost as if it was fixed because it was unintended rather than the UI department having input.

Conversely the capacitor is still semi transparent yellow, ship hp is still grey and damage indication is still red/brown. They were bright, vibrant colours for 6+ years because they are the 3 most important pieces of information screen. They need to be clear, easily read at a glance and viewable under all conditions within the game environment. I'd be fascinated (really) to hear the ergonomic input the UI team had which lad them to believe that washed out colours which are obscured by the glow of engines, world effect and suns thus rendering them unreadable is improvement. Rendering information unreadable is regression, no?

This is one of those things which simply will not go away as you push UI "improvements". It's bad for pvpers and it's going to produce complains from people whom the pvpers are pvping that don't notice the cap drying up or hp going down. Bring back the bright hp, damage and cap colours. Add the cloak rings, deliberately this time.

In summary. Cloaks are now less visible (bad). Capacitor, ship hp and damage are still less visible (bad).

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.07 17:15:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 07/06/2011 17:16:17
I have to throw my hat into the white ring with everyone else... that was nice! If possible, please bring that UI friendly feature back.

Please?

And yes... the capacitor really needs a solid background.

Salomei
Posted - 2011.06.07 18:17:00 - [8]
 

Gonna have to agree on the HUD transparency. Over a light background (sun, bright nebula, heavy FX), the feedback is way too hard to read. 1.6.1 only half fixed the cap readout. It's now minimally readable on a white BG, but it's still not clear at a glance in all circumstances as it should be. Same goes for the green glow and white timer rings. They are only clearly read at a glance when the BG is midtone to dark.

PvPers (and sometimes carebears) depend on well-informed snap judgements. We can't make them when reading our HUD requires squinting and/or camera repositioning.

If you can give us the shiny and the usability, awesome. Make it the latter if there can be only one.

phoenix0269
Gallente
Degrees of Freedom
The Babylon Consortium
Posted - 2011.06.07 19:12:00 - [9]
 

yeah the sloid ring is nice but the green in it could be more prominat. but what about the other thing still screwed up no turret sounds still cant zoom in on bm's or get info on them for scanning still having ghosting issues and the 1 clock lock or zoom when are they gonna be fixed and only a couple more weeks till another expansion

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2011.06.07 19:16:00 - [10]
 

I have to agree on the UI shinyness vs usability issue. The transparency is totally pointless, since you can't see through the cap readout and you can move it, so it was never blocking your view anyway. All the transparency and shiny effect currently does is make vital information harder to read. At least get rid of the transparency or allow me to remove it as a preference without affecting anything else.

Janeway84
Gallente
Masters Of Destiny
ORPHANS OF EVE
Posted - 2011.06.07 20:16:00 - [11]
 

this patch was horrible, the game won't launch anymore, the repair tool isn't launching I run the normal windows version, I could try to try start the old steam version wich I don't trust will work either..

Ruckus Inc
Posted - 2011.06.07 20:54:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Janeway84
this patch was horrible, the game won't launch anymore, the repair tool isn't launching I run the normal windows version, I could try to try start the old steam version wich I don't trust will work either..


I agree. Kind off sucks when my skillque is running out and i cant get to put some new ones in.. Thx guys. Crying or Very sad

Tatiana Nixx
Posted - 2011.06.07 20:55:00 - [13]
 

Client crashes still when jumping, and at random times. Run up to 3 clients. Crashes may or may not be linked to an event (session change etc.) but USUALLY on session changes. Crashes may or may not be on background client. For or five crashes in less than 20 min trying to go 6 jumps. This is not a game, this is a task. An unplesant, and enrageing task.

Computer is up to date with drivers and Microsoft "patches". Antivirus up to date with a top rated program. Computer passes all diagnostic checks. No other programs hang, crash, freeze, or behave as if posessed with demonic gremlins. Game ran fine before last major "patch".

Fault = CCP's last major patch.

Ruckus Inc
Posted - 2011.06.07 21:04:00 - [14]
 

I havent been playing for that long but almost every patch feels like a "lets see what happens" kind of deal. Im i going to be reimbursed for loss of game time or is it up to me to just accept this kind of thing?

I dont m ind that much but it feels wrong some how. YARRRR!!

Race Drones
13th Squadron
E C L I P S E
Posted - 2011.06.07 23:35:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Iam Widdershins
I actually liked the white rings around active cloaks.

+1

Templar Knightsbane
Posted - 2011.06.08 01:56:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Templar Knightsbane on 08/06/2011 02:20:39
before 1.6 was released i could play eve fine on

2 x 2.66 dual core Macpro 1.1
1mb ram
osx 10.5.8
Nvidia 7300GT and was gettin like 20fps in space about which was fine

then patch 1.6 came and just was no longer playable on that machine

So i have spent like 150 on more ram and osx update

so my machine is now

2 x 2.66 Dual core Macpro 1.1
5mb Ram
Osx 10.6.7
Nvidia 7300gt but i am still experiencing slower fps than i was originally on the pre updated machine, pre 1.6.

Now i realise that i probably did need to upgrade my machine as seems the min requirements for mac have increased, but still, i dont see any real reasons that the min requirements
have gone up that much so as 5Gb ram isnt enough to get bta than 7-10fps in station??? and not much more in space, maybe 10 - 12 on on good system not amarr

I jave upgraded the 1.6.1 upgrade as well here

I am going to upgrade the graphics hopefully for the reccomended 8800GT for mac if all things go well(hopefully thanks to a ace dude),

But i just would like to clarify that this WILL help my fps wont it CCP? ok i will be able to see the character editor and stations when incarna drops, but, will my normal FPS outside stations go up also?

thanks, Templar

The new fix is a start tho idd


Entoma
Posted - 2011.06.08 06:20:00 - [17]
 

Just to make sure I'm reading your problem right, You mean GIGABYTES right? I can not imagine you using anything, INCLUDING a browser, on a computer using 1 MEGABYTE of ram? And as far as I have seen, No real problems on my Nvidia 7600 GS.

Magic Crisp
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.08 07:11:00 - [18]
 

We have also experienced the following issues, which weren't mentioned in the patch notes:

- Mouseovering bookmarks in solar system map view doesn't show their labels
- Sometimes when changing tabs on the market window, it slides apart (I don't have a screenshow), and becomes unuseable. Re-opening it fixes it for a while
- While docked at the stations the clients are eating far more CPU/GPU than they do in space
- Selecting a station for a market order has the focus on the OK button in the station selection window, and it should be where it was prior to this CarbonUI patch, in the input box for typing
- Sometimes the inspace HUD freezes, the ship is not rendered, can't rotate the viewpoint, can't do anything with control, changing to map/PI mode and back doesn't help, have to relog for that
- Default ordering direction of columns in enforced. Like the log's timestamp ordering is _always_ on oldest-to-newest(up-to-bottom), regardless I always set it to newest-to-oldest.
- The log window never stays open across relogs, it used to stay open whenever we've opened it.

So far that's all I can remember, but sure there're a few i've missed.

So, when can we expect a patch also for these issues (to get us back to where we were before this 1.6 carbon thingie, in functionality, err, forward!) that won't break already fixed features?

milegrin
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.08 07:59:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Iam Widdershins
I actually liked the white rings around active cloaks.

+1 x number of accounts :)

+1 for return to solid HUD background

Jared Tobin
Bloodstone Industries
B.S.I.
Posted - 2011.06.08 08:52:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Jared Tobin on 08/06/2011 08:57:26
I too notice the following, some of which are directly pulled from Magic Crisp's list, but added onto:

STARTING UP: No sound for about a minute. Also (to quote Magic Crisp) "While docked at the stations the clients are eating far more CPU/GPU than they do in space". I agree. In fact, I've noticed an amazing increase in what I guess I now personally call "station lag"... especially when working with labs and the market.

THE BIG KICKER: I set up a public channel over 1.5 years ago. It wasn't until June 6 or 7th that the window would take up 30-50 seconds of frozen time, then load up a blank chat window. I see no MOTD nor any text, however, everyone else says it's fine and they see what I type. I appear not to have any rights to change anything (which I thought changing the MOTD would reset something)... Nope. So, I have filed a petition, but this honestly makes no sense.

MARKET: Sometimes when changing tabs on the market window, it "slides apart". In actuality, I've noticed this when placing corporate purchase orders, making hte order, and tabbing to corp orders shows the listing of Buy Orders in a "table/column" whose height is higher than the height of the window itself. And YES, the only solution is to CLOSE and REOPEN.

ORDER OF THINGS: "Default ordering direction of columns is enforced." In fact, no amount of clearing/resetting cache will fix this. It's like my old bug report of "Window Amnesia" only now it's Window Content Amnesia". And I, too, set columns newest-to-oldest, but they never remain.

STILL UNANSWERED/IGNORED ISSUE: Are "standings" a forbidden issue to discuss or something, because I refuse to let it be yet another issue that "CCP hopes I'll just forget..." like CCP has done many times with many issues in the past [bug reports filed for proof]. I have yet to really read any official response considering all the frictional feedback and issue threading from so many people wanting standings back. I personally would be content with just FACTION standings only... because how else am I going to be able to see how our corp-average standing is doing with certain space for POS anchoring, and also who and who is not doing well in areas that may be dragging the corp(s) down with sovereign space)s)? It is a vital hiring tool for many CEOs, it is also an assisting aid for those in need of mission help (and peer assessment) and it appears to be even vital for players of the PVP and hunting persuation. I think everyone's need for faction standings to be publicly viewing is logical and necessary for this game to continue as intended... Otherwise, what's the point of standings anymore?

LITTLE THINGS: Undocking sometimes has me magnified so close to my ship, it's ridiculous. I might as well be in the ship with a first person point of view...

That's all for the moment... And I'm sure there's more ahead.

PC Client

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.08 13:41:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Hakaru Ishiwara on 08/06/2011 17:14:26
The following points have been mentioned in previous posts in this thread and the original Incursions 1.6 feedback thread. But they need to be re-emphasized because the client UI design changes unnecessarily make the user experience more challenging.

* Transparent HUD: What more can be said about this abomination? Both the capacitor and damage gauges need to be significantly more opaque and possibly larger. It is still very difficult to clearly discern the readouts when the camera is turned towards anything other than black space.

* Check Boxes: Somehow, these UI elements have become smaller and not quite as easy to visually discern.

* Radio Buttons: Using the PI-based Import / Export radio buttons on the Customs Office window, it takes either an experimental click or additional visual inspection to discern which button is selected. The gray coloring of the unselected button is the issue.

* Scroll bars: FFS. Scroll bars may look fancy with the new gradations, but they sure as hell are more difficult to visually pick out and use.

There is a common theme here: Either I am going blind as a bat or these UI changes have rendered many of the most important functional UI elements less user-friendly.

Suggestions for improvement:

1) Improve contrast on and increase the size of high-use UI elements.

2) Read up on good web site user interface design (Jakob Nielsen) and take some pointers. Yeah, not gaming, but many of the concepts carry across most pixel-based stuff.

flapie 2
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.09 14:34:00 - [22]
 

I see a lot of posts about the CTD thingie.
I tryed to reproduce it on the following machine:

  • Windows 7 x64 Ent

  • Intel Core Duo E8200

  • 7 GB Ram

  • ATI Radeon HD 5570 (1GB RAM)


Up to date drivers and sofware, only thing i dont have is CCC (the crapy ATI Controll Panel)

I tested this CTD thingie in the following mode, while playing on another character:

  • Windowed Mode.

  • Full Screen Mode.

  • Fixed Window Mode.



No matter what i tryed, i dint get my game to crash dint even get past 75% CPU stress ......Rolling Eyes
What ever the issue is its not related to me, nor can i replicated this issue.
Befor the patch i was still unaware of this ongoing problem and was working with 3D Studio Max while flying on AP true empire on a alt todo shopping and had a 2nd toon hanging @ a POS. The AP client was minimized atm and i was making a UWV mapping for he sake of learning to UWV map. But even that dint seem to bother my Fixed Window Client. Twisted Evil

Tryed to help but cant replicated Mad, sorry peeps hope the issue gets located soon (try looking at DEP issues/Virus/Malware protection or other 3rd party sofware that might be in the way).

Ow yeah, and Cap reading is a lot easyer now, altho i think you guys forgot about colored space ........... you cant miss the clue there YARRRR!!

Gl Fixing.

Salomei
Posted - 2011.06.09 15:31:00 - [23]
 

Thx a bunch for "Ships will no longer accidentally approach a target when rapidly targeting multiple enemies."

DHuncan
Posted - 2011.06.09 17:00:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: DHuncan on 09/06/2011 17:00:46
Originally by: flapie 2
I see a lot of posts about the CTD thingie.
I tryed to reproduce it on the following machine:

  • Windows 7 x64 Ent

  • Intel Core Duo E8200

  • 7 GB Ram

  • ATI Radeon HD 5570 (1GB RAM)


Up to date drivers and sofware, only thing i dont have is CCC (the crapy ATI Controll Panel)



I tested this CTD thingie in the following mode, while playing on another character:

  • Windowed Mode.

  • Full Screen Mode.

  • Fixed Window Mode.



No matter what i tryed, i dint get my game to crash dint even get past 75% CPU stress ......Rolling Eyes
What ever the issue is its not related to me, nor can i replicated this issue.
Befor the patch i was still unaware of this ongoing problem and was working with 3D Studio Max while flying on AP true empire on a alt todo shopping and had a 2nd toon hanging @ a POS. The AP client was minimized atm and i was making a UWV mapping for he sake of learning to UWV map. But even that dint seem to bother my Fixed Window Client. Twisted Evil

Tryed to help but cant replicated Mad, sorry peeps hope the issue gets located soon (try looking at DEP issues/Virus/Malware protection or other 3rd party sofware that might be in the way).

Ow yeah, and Cap reading is a lot easyer now, altho i think you guys forgot about colored space ........... you cant miss the clue there YARRRR!!

Gl Fixing.


Well doh, thats cause you tested after todays patch that seems to be working.

DHuncan
Posted - 2011.06.09 17:08:00 - [25]
 

Rectification, no it dont work.

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: BEX
Application Name: ExeFile.exe
Application Version: 6.44.26.2931
Application Timestamp: 4dda9d38
Fault Module Name: StackHash_0a9e
Fault Module Version: 0.0.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 00000000
Exception Offset: 2300746e
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Data: 00000008
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

DHuncan
Posted - 2011.06.09 17:11:00 - [26]
 

Cool, two in a row.

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: ExeFile.exe
Application Version: 6.44.26.2931
Application Timestamp: 4dda9d38
Fault Module Name: _trinity_deploy.dll
Fault Module Version: 6.45.26.7202
Fault Module Timestamp: 4debd6f5
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 001b8ecb
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

DHuncan
Posted - 2011.06.09 17:25:00 - [27]
 

And another.

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: ExeFile.exe
Application Version: 6.44.26.2931
Application Timestamp: 4dda9d38
Fault Module Name: _trinity_deploy.dll
Fault Module Version: 6.45.26.7202
Fault Module Timestamp: 4debd6f5
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 001b8ec1
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

DJ Spare
Pure Skunkworks
Posted - 2011.06.09 19:50:00 - [28]
 

confirmed, still crashing to desktop on Windows my windows 7 machine when minimized..

necromaniac XIII
Posted - 2011.06.09 22:05:00 - [29]
 

Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: ExeFile.exe
Application Version: 6.44.26.2931
Application Timestamp: 4dda9d38
Fault Module Name: _trinity_deploy.dll
Fault Module Version: 6.45.26.3918
Fault Module Timestamp: 4ddd263c
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 004d2c74
OS Version: 6.0.6002.2.2.0.768.3
Locale ID: 3081
Additional Information 1: fd00
Additional Information 2: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160
Additional Information 3: fd00
Additional Information 4: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160


necromaniac XIII
Posted - 2011.06.09 22:15:00 - [30]
 

c,mon guys go easy on em they r trying to make the game exciting and not same ol same ol. they r asking for help with finding problems not riticule. eve still crashes posted info above, still have a pod in mai that doesnt exsist, in map cant hover over bm's to get info on what the bm is, sun was good i actually liked how it was hard to see the capacitor when aimed at sun gave a tactical advantage to hot drops when coming in from sun (just like real life)thnx


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