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C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.07 08:54:00 - [241]
 

Originally by: Aineko Macx
How are you dealing with around-the-world network latency?
Or won't it matter because players are gonna play with blunt tools like joypads?


There will be a network of battle servers hosted around the world. These servers will host individual DUST matches and feed the data into the main EVE Online cluster.



Alchemord Kosac
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:07:00 - [242]
 

2 mr. Hilmar Veigar Pétursson: You promised Dust for Xbox(i hawe buy Xbox for it) now is exlusive for another console! You added microtransactions (aura = vanity items). I hawe playing Eve for 5 years. Becose you give us funny game without microtransactions without boxed expansions. This was deal.. subscribtion for some quality service.. now everything changed.. i go cancel subsribtion. I hope in big fail with this. Bye

SunTsu Rae
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:09:00 - [243]
 

Edited by: SunTsu Rae on 07/06/2011 09:24:23
Shocked Although I have not gone through the many, many posts on here, I would assume there are a few here who may agree, that it is a bad idea to be an exclusive title.

Especially with the way the console world changes in a matter of 2-3 years, you are absolutely going to have to persue a PC/Mac platform version.

Not everyone, in the time-zones you currently have clients in, have access to a Playstation 3. Not only due to financial issues, but also due to manufacturing issues, Sony has not met demand, and on a side note, not fixed some quality issues.

Evil or Very MadFor example the lack of a secure gaming network.Evil or Very Mad

The Dust514 franchise should be player driven, as it is in Eve: Online, not platform driven.

Rolling EyesI also seem to remember a statement from CCP, at a fanfest I believe, when Dust514 was first demonstrated, that it would be available on the Microsoft platform XBox.

I guess you missed that.Rolling Eyes

Thank you for your time.

John Caldarius
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:11:00 - [244]
 

Dear CCP,

Some of the technical aspects of the Xbox 360 led me to buying it, and I have not been disappointed. I also bought and built my PC from the ground up, and I love it too. I play EVE for several hours at a time, and have some fun with the people I have met on there that I now call my friends.

I know how businesses can be run for the consumers, or for the company itself, and you've shown that Sony's will is stronger than your own. "Dare to be bold, Pilot," you always tell us, but you forge a path not to greatness, but to destruction. Exclusivity is always good the the company's bottom line, and in the end you can only hope it helps the players too. Playing it safe, are we? I'll be looking for the updated cideo in the Incarna release. "Dare to be timid, Pilot," and "Don't leave the station unless a fleet is outside with cap support to escort you on your mining run," because thats what exclusivity is, pushing more resources from players so you can use less yourself, and in turn jeopardize both platforms.

It is a beautiful sight when real life turns out like the movies. Good job OCP, I mean... CCP.

I will still play EVE Online, why give up on the company when it gives up on you, that would make me just like you, and we can't have that. I'm just disappointed because you could have included everyone in this new endeavor. Connecting the real-world adventures of space and planetary involvement in one universe with PC and console gamers is quite a feat, but you might as well only made the game run on Intel processors as you have only chosen to use the new features of DUST 514 for PS3.

Sony must have lept at the opportunity to publish something that already had a dedicated fan-base, too bad it wasn't a WOW game, something they could specialize in. You chose an MMO platform for a FPS. This is like a C&C game, and you went to PS3?

Money was never the root of all evil... Read, it was the LOVE of money, and for the love of money you have sold out a large portion of a dedicated market. I was really looking forward to this game and the integration therein, but it's -1 dust player here.

Please fix EVE Online first, then move for Dust 514. How about you pust it off for PS4 release, instead of a rushed PS3 and no fixes for EVE Online?

If I can't get in on the new game, I need to leverage as much as I can for the fixing of the current development. So, please?

Sincerely,
Capsuleer John Caldarius

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:13:00 - [245]
 

Edited by: Blane Xero on 07/06/2011 09:15:15
Sorry CCP, but I pity you. You've just nailed DUST's coffin almost an entire year before it is even released, and you're still investing so many resources in it, it's borderline stupidity. You're putting so much effort into selling it like it's the best thing since sliced bread, and yet you are constantly reducing its chance of success while you seem to be under the guise that the choices you are making are good ideas.

  • You're making it console exclusive, furthermore PS3 exclusive
    - This means you're limiting your target audience - quite a bit.
    - It comes across terribly like you're trying to make it the PS3 equivalent of Halo.

  • You seem to be under the impression that CUTTING OFF possible platforms (PC, 360) will INCREASE how many people you market the game to, while REDUCING the impact of Eve players leaving for DUST. I have a couple of points here...
    - This is stupid.
    - If DUST is not sub based, you wouldn't LOSE eve player-subs with them converting to DUST. The majority of the human race, let alone eve players (With Eve being the MMO that is arguably the biggest offender for people having alternate accounts) work off "If I can have both, I will". A single purchase of £20-30 / $40-50 isn't going to suddenly persuade people "Oh no, If I buy this, I can no longer maintain my eve Subscription!". And people aren't going to go "Well, DUST has replaced my need for internet SPACESHIPS with internet FPS". TL;DR? Not marketing to PC at the very least as-well-as PS3 was downright ******ed and fueled entirely by a misconception that you cannot market to PC's without hurting your existing income stream.

  • You've just sold your soul to Sony. This should be self explanatory, but I'll point out a few things that have happened in their recent history as to why I would be wary of any deal with Sony.
    - It was recently discovered that their network (Playstation Network) had security holes you could drive a titan through - with room to spare for a few more - and not get noticed until the damage was already done. This included their "internal" developer network. The hacking then spread to pretty much every network that Sony maintained, including their MMO's maintained by Sony Online Entertainment
    - The first cases of the PS3 being hacked for bootlegged games happened some few months ago, with Sony's reaction pretty much being "Get the details of everyone who so much as commented on a blog in which the hacked firmware is mentioned, sue them, profit".



I have no shame in saying I've hated the way CCP has decided to go about developing and implementing DUST since they revealed the first few details. I think it could have been done alot smarter, but CCP seems to have been blinded by short-term $$ over long-term product viability.

Halycon Gamma
Caldari
The Flying Tigers
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:19:00 - [246]
 

Edited by: Halycon Gamma on 07/06/2011 09:21:35
I have a question or two. And I honestly would like to hear your thought process on this.. because if I'm thinking this all the way through... Dust is the most ambitious game ever made. From a business standpoint its even more ambitious than EvE.

You got the whole interlink with EvE thing.. yada yada.. you're adding a lobby system and a market system.. okay. All this is standard fare compared to what I see as the most ambitious part of this whole venture. You want this to succeed for any amount of time on a console?

I can think of 1, exactly 1, FPS that does even half of what you're trying to pull off and could be deemed successful. TF2. And it was a dismal failure on consoles. It sold copies, but its online presence was a flash in the pan. Almost all console games online presence are a flash in the pan compared to its PC rivals.

And how are you going to handle comms gracefully. Interconnection to EvE Gate is all well and good, but console players have no keyboard, and EvE voice is not exactly well used.

Did CCP really think this out, because the amount of obstacles you've put in front of yourselves is simply mindblowing.

You may have some secret sauce I'm unaware of. And you may say EvE and Dust will work on their own merits without each other. But as CCP keeps saying over and over.. EvE is forever. Dust simply can't be. Either if fails miserably, or Sony releases PS4 sometime in the next 4-6 years, and it dies at that point. In the meantime you've added, and plan on continuing to add, bits into EvE which tie into Dust. Dust simply cannot be forever.

So what happens then? Does dust development get rolled into EvE itself where it should have been all along? So many things I just don't get, and don't understand. Dust at its best can only be a short term grasp for cash.

I really would like to know anything, absolutely anything about CCP's thought process in regards to Dust. Because sitting here in front of my keyboard it makes no sense if I try looking at it as a long term part of the EvE Universe.

BIZZAROSTORMY
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:20:00 - [247]
 

1, Great video for Dust. Nice concept, flawless execution.

2. I see a dread getting pounded from the planet - is there anything that CANT kill a dread?

3. AS with (I assume) everyone else - call me when its out for PC. I mean its basically planetside, right?

Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:23:00 - [248]
 

Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 07/06/2011 09:28:17
so does this mean PI will now become something noone can be bothered to do anymore cos u'd spend ages setting it up only to have some 12 year olds on a ps3 come blow it up?

also ill wait for the ps4 to be released then buy a cheap secondhand ps3 and get an old disgarded copy of dust 514 for free by then :)

WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:25:00 - [249]
 

Originally by: Halycon Gamma
Edited by: Halycon Gamma on 07/06/2011 09:21:35

You may have some secret sauce I'm unaware of. And you may say EvE and Dust will work on their own merits without each other. But as CCP keeps saying over and over.. EvE is forever. Dust simply can't be. .


My take on it is Sony are reeling from their most recent security leak and have offered megabucks to CCP for a high profile game launch to get them back on track. CCP for their part are not stupid, and do realise the shelf life of dust will be approximately 2 years. By which time the development cost of dust will have been largely paid for by Sony. At which point, it will be ported into eve/incarna somehow thanks to the secret sauce of carbon - making one massive, massively mutliplayer universe. Just don't tell Sony.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:28:00 - [250]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
There will be two separate markets; as for the rest of the questions, they will be answered in the future DUST 514 dev blogs on the official website.


Why do you hate traders so much?

Alchemord Kosac
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:32:00 - [251]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
There will be two separate markets; as for the rest of the questions, they will be answered in the future DUST 514 dev blogs on the official website.


Why do you hate traders so much?


lol one universe with separate markets ugh this is not one universe!!

Lisandra Riraille
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:33:00 - [252]
 

Edited by: Lisandra Riraille on 07/06/2011 09:35:05
Originally by: WisdomLikeSilence
My take on it is Sony are reeling from their most recent security leak and have offered megabucks to CCP for a high profile game launch to get them back on track. CCP for their part are not stupid, and do realise the shelf life of dust will be approximately 2 years. By which time the development cost of dust will have been largely paid for by Sony. At which point, it will be ported into eve/incarna somehow thanks to the secret sauce of carbon - making one massive, massively mutliplayer universe. Just don't tell Sony.


I think CCP decided to go PS3 only a while before the outage. The reason most likely is because CCP wanted to game to be completely free to play, and of course Microsoft won't allow online play without an xbox live gold account. There may have also been an issue with MS not letting CCP update the game whenever with whatever they want (Microsoft charges the dev/publisher for updates and after a certain size requires it to be paid for content). This second reason is why Team Fortress 2 is exactly the same as it was at launch on XBL, while the PC version is almost completely different.

Originally by: Alchemord Kosac
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
There will be two separate markets; as for the rest of the questions, they will be answered in the future DUST 514 dev blogs on the official website.


Why do you hate traders so much?


lol one universe with separate markets ugh this is not one universe!!


PVP Economics is just too dangerous to be supported on separate platforms. Razz

Marcus Ailichi
ohgodhowdidthisgethereimnotgoodwithcomputers
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:34:00 - [253]
 

I'm a 360 owner and honestly? I think it's better this way. Gives me another excuse to buy ps3 AND I don't have to pay 60£ per year just to play gaems online.

Also had it been 360 exclusive people would have still been whining

Sol Mortis
Caldari
An Heroes
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:37:00 - [254]
 

They made an entire new game for a console with terrible internet record before fixing the contact list. Good job CCP.

I'm so sick of offline contacts showing as online and vice versa. Why don't you spend some of our subscription money of fixing EVE instead of subsidizing a crappy console FPS that probably won't even be playable online. Also captain's quarters are stupid and useless. Fix the actual playable part of the game before making it shinier and laggier.

FIX THE CONTACT LIST
FIX THE CONTACT LIST
FIX THE CONTACT LIST
FIX THE CONTACT LIST

Jmarr Hyrgund
The Bastards
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:44:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: Kyuss1979

I will say this though, DUST 514 looks absolutely stunning!!!!


CCP Shadow:

Thanks Kyuss. And our goal is really to extend the EVE universe to a whole new group of gamers, and of course we’re hoping a great number of EVE Online players also get in on the action in DUST 514.


You're s**t out of luck then it would seem. If released on PC Dust514 would have had guaranteed itself at least 100k hardcore players who would have come directly from EVE. This would have formed the backbone of the playerbase and meant that there would always be a core of players keeping the EVE-Dust link meaningful.

As it is I predict that Dust is going to be all the rage for a maximum of 3 months, until the next big console title comes along which Acivistion/EA/Ubisoft throw their marketing muscle behind. Then Dust will die, because console jockeys have the attention span of a three year old when it comes to new shineys. If Dust dies then the investment that has been put into EVE in order to make the Dust-EVE connection meaningful will have been wasted.

This is not the best way to get a return on the investment made, and is far more likely to fail.

Sony was a terrible choice (especially after recent events) and console only was always a bad idea.

Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:50:00 - [256]
 

Edited by: Zothike on 07/06/2011 10:08:32
as it's free to download and play will it be possible to play without spending any isk/aurum/real money even if doing so will be firing with a 22long rifle while others will have a m16 ? :)

dont have ps3 yet and never had console , seems it's possible to fit keyboard + mouse on PS3 to have FPS control like in PC, will DUST514 will support it ? (or perhaps all game in ps3 do By default sorry if it's a pointless question)

Dennie Fleetfoot
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:52:00 - [257]
 

CCP have consistently claimed that Dust was multiformat.

The console specs haven't changed. We can all assume correctly then that there has been until recently, fully working beta's for PC, Xbox and PS3.

I have not read a single technical explanation as yet as to why the change to PS3 exclusivity, that I have not heard before from other developers in similar situations. Not one.

So until we get a full public denial from CCP, I and many others I'd imagine are going to take it as read that money has been exchanged.

I've no problem with that by the way. Business is business.

To pretend otherwise however, that I do have a problem with.


Jmarr Hyrgund
The Bastards
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:59:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: AsuraCZ

Hi, I am Eve Player and PS3 owner and have been waiting for Dust for a looooong time :). Any news on the beta? Will the sign-ups be on dust website? Will eve players be preferred? Will I need Playstation Plus to be in beta?


CCP Shadow:

It’s too soon to reveal the beta details but we certainly do want EVE Online players in beta.


Then make it a PC game.

darmwand
Blood Money Dark Angels
Posted - 2011.06.07 09:59:00 - [259]
 

Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot
CCP have consistently claimed that Dust was multiformat.


It seems the world knew that it was going to be a console game for quite a while...

Infinion
Caldari
Awesome Corp
Posted - 2011.06.07 10:01:00 - [260]
 

You and Sony are partners now right? Would it be possible to give subscribed eve players a discount for the PS3 console?

TheSpyInCorp
Posted - 2011.06.07 10:07:00 - [261]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Aineko Macx
How are you dealing with around-the-world network latency?
Or won't it matter because players are gonna play with blunt tools like joypads?


There will be a network of battle servers hosted around the world. These servers will host individual DUST matches and feed the data into the main EVE Online cluster.





will the battles occur only between players or will there be some PvE mechanics for DUST?

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.07 10:09:00 - [262]
 

Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot
CCP have consistently claimed that Dust was multiformat.

The console specs haven't changed. We can all assume correctly then that there has been until recently, fully working beta's for PC, Xbox and PS3.

I have not read a single technical explanation as yet as to why the change to PS3 exclusivity, that I have not heard before from other developers in similar situations. Not one.

So until we get a full public denial from CCP, I and many others I'd imagine are going to take it as read that money has been exchanged.

I've no problem with that by the way. Business is business.

To pretend otherwise however, that I do have a problem with.




From the very first days, DUST 514 was announced as a console-based game. As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways – not least in the way it will interact with EVE – and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly.


J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.07 10:14:00 - [263]
 

Good job CCP, very excited for Dust514. I can understand why you chose the PS3 and I support that choice. I'm just very happy to finally see the Dust514 site up and running with lots of good info on there (loved the Dev Blog and will be reading the first Dust514 Chronicle later today). I will for sure be in the beta.

Jmarr Hyrgund
The Bastards
Posted - 2011.06.07 10:25:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Higgs Bison
How will EVE be affected is Dust is a flop?


The games don't require each other to work.


But, my dear Fallout, The whole USP of Dust is that it connects to EVE, and it affects EVE. The games may well not need each other to work, but there is a whole slew of stuff in both games that will be lessened without the interaction being there.

What about the investment that has been put into developing planetary interaction purely for the purposes of dust (Don't try and deny it, that's the only reason we got PI in the first place) There may not be any direct consequences for EVE if Dust Flops (which I believe it will unless it gets a PC release) but there will be indirect effects both economically and direct influences on CCPs reputation if nothing else.

CCP have misjudged this very badly IMO. I really hope they rethink and go for a wider release across more formats.

Tergiminius
Binary Star
Posted - 2011.06.07 10:29:00 - [265]
 

I bought my XBOX-360 because of this way back a year or so ago, foolishly thinking it would be out Soon(tm).Sad

Bit disappointed it's PS3 only and now I'll miss out on it but on the plus side I discovered Rockband, something I probably never would have if I'd not got the XBOX for DUST, so thanks at least for that CCP Very Happy

yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats
Posted - 2011.06.07 10:36:00 - [266]
 

Thank you CCP, this looks superb ^_^ One question, is there likely to be some sort of promotion where eve players can get a cheap PS3?

If I could get money off by using ISK (plex) to pay for part or all of it that would be awesome.

Last FPS I had any interest in was doom 2 and there's never been a console release that's been able to tempt me away form my PC, dust looks set to change that. Bring on the full sci-fi simulator. Twisted Evil

Darth Vapour
Posted - 2011.06.07 10:38:00 - [267]
 

What contingencies have been made for a months long downtime of the PSN network ?

Vaju Katru
Posted - 2011.06.07 10:47:00 - [268]
 

Rofl at all the owners of a failBox, its not CCP fault that you use zx spectrum console that runs games with tapes.

Load ""

Branwulf Dashiva
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.07 10:47:00 - [269]
 

Edited by: Branwulf Dashiva on 07/06/2011 10:48:29
Edited by: Branwulf Dashiva on 07/06/2011 10:47:24
I'm just sad that it's on the PS3, now i'll probably not play it, and I even have a PS3. As soon as people have played if for a few weeks they will be back to CoD or Battlefield or Resistance or Killzone etc.

Personally I think the only place where it would stand a chance of sustaining an audience is on the PC, at least you have an existing market their would would be interested and advertise your game for you, on the PS3 no one has a clue, just look at all the comments on various news outlets, they don't care about the connected to EVE, why should they? They don't play it, it's just a gimmick to many.

What's more they are going up against the MAG developer directly, who will no doubt release a sequel soon enough, taking back a piece of the pie.

PS.

Originally by: Vaju Katru
Rofl at all the owners of a failBox, its not CCP fault that you use zx spectrum console that runs games with tapes.

Load ""


Welcome to the future, here we install games onto the hard drive derp herp.

Vaughn Baychimo
Posted - 2011.06.07 10:47:00 - [270]
 

Originally by: Higgs Bison
How will EVE be affected is Dust is a flop?


You get to see CCP kick themselves in the asses for wasting all those resources instead of just investing them into a product with a proven track record.


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