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I3loodHawk91
Minmatar
Spacebattles.com
Posted - 2011.06.10 07:39:00 - [541]
 

They might mean free to play in the sense that you don't keep paying for it like you do with EVE, you might pay for it once but you don't have to keep paying unless you want to to purchase things.

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.06.10 10:21:00 - [542]
 

Originally by: CCP Shadow
[No one I know here is saying that Evelgrivion. Although I did personally get a few nastygrams on Twitter yesterday. Evil or Very Mad (Screengrabbed for posterity.)


My apologies to everyone who said nothing of the sort, then. Embarassed

There are a number of lingering concerns over how DUST will connect to EVE, and getting those questions clarified would be greatly appreciated, especially in regards to Micro-Transactions. The possibility of non-vanity Micro-transactions affecting the gameplay of EVE Online, either directly or through DUST, has caused a considerable amount of revulsion in myself and others. Sorry about the emotional spillover.


Khlat Mohel
Posted - 2011.06.10 11:29:00 - [543]
 

I have to say it really is too bad. I wont be buying a PS3 simply to play D514, had it come to 360 or PC via Steam, I would have bought. Disappointed

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.10 12:29:00 - [544]
 

Originally by: Evelgrivion
Originally by: CCP Shadow
[No one I know here is saying that Evelgrivion. Although I did personally get a few nastygrams on Twitter yesterday. Evil or Very Mad (Screengrabbed for posterity.)


My apologies to everyone who said nothing of the sort, then. Embarassed

There are a number of lingering concerns over how DUST will connect to EVE, and getting those questions clarified would be greatly appreciated, especially in regards to Micro-Transactions. The possibility of non-vanity Micro-transactions affecting the gameplay of EVE Online, either directly or through DUST, has caused a considerable amount of revulsion in myself and others. Sorry about the emotional spillover.




No problem.

And of course people want to know all the specifics of how EVE Online and DUST 514 connect. We understand that and you'll get all of this, but there is one year before launch. That's a full year of dev blogs, interviews, news items, and so on. We've made the platform announcement and shed some light on the connections, but there will be much more revealed over the course of the next year.

All I can ask is that you sit tight, and keep an eye on the official website www.DUST514.com for more of that info you're seeking.

Thanks.

Joachim Vaug
Posted - 2011.06.10 15:04:00 - [545]
 

Will Dust support PS Move technology?

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.10 15:14:00 - [546]
 

Originally by: Joachim Vaug
Will Dust support PS Move technology?


Yes, it will.

Shurikane
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:25:00 - [547]
 

Putting in my vote for DUST to also be available in PC version. Would be dandy, kind sirs!

Conrad Peet
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:41:00 - [548]
 

Originally by: Shurikane
Putting in my vote for DUST to also be available in PC version. Would be dandy, kind sirs!


This a thousand times over. FPS games are horrible on consoles. I'm sure plenty of others will get into it but I won't even consider it unless it comes on PC.

I3loodHawk91
Minmatar
Spacebattles.com
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:52:00 - [549]
 

The problem with that is the disparity between PC and Console reaction time, fluidity of movement, etc. I agree that PC is better for FPS', I personally prefer them on PC, so if you had people on PS3 facing people on the PC, the PS3ers wouldn't stand a chance. So really, it's a PC OR Console thing. It would be very hard to make it even between PS3 and PC especially since this all takes place in one universe and you can't just make PCers only play with other PC players and vice versa with PS3.

DeadMeat77
Posted - 2011.06.10 20:13:00 - [550]
 

Firstly, 12 months is a hell of a long time in gaming and as the launch wont be for another 12 months or so, i suspect sony will have sorted out the 'issues' with security.

Secondly, have to say very disappointed with the ps3 aspect. I finally interested the missus enough in the kinect and the games on offer with that thing to justify buying an xbox. The main reason i wanted one: Dust 514 Shocked. Bought it just after christmas so sadly wont be paying out for a new console for some time to come Sad

Don't get me wrong, i'm no fan of microsoft, but when one company has such a monopoly, i'm not prepared to suffer and miss out on gaming for some moral crusade.

The main reason i didn't want a ps3 was that none of my close friends have one and the lack of backwards compatibility with all my old ps2 games. Just hope they make the ps4 compatable with ps3 games or Dust might not last very long...

I do however hope it does well so best of luck but not at eve's expense.

DJMoz
Minmatar
Sword Of Light
Posted - 2011.06.10 21:27:00 - [551]
 

Ok I have read for the most part all 19 pages of this thread to make sure this wasn't addressed.

It was mentioned that this game was going to be downloaded via the PS Network, after purchasing it from there. This seems fair and all, but if you have to buy it, why not have the option to go to the store and buy the game in a package? I personally would feel better not being required to ever give Sony my CC information.

But the other big mention for this concept is the marketing! Selling exclusively on the PS Network, you get no real Retail Promotions. If you want to break it into the market don't do like these horrible movie sequals and go direct to DVD, be proud of this game, put it in a box, on the shelves, maybe even with a copy of EVE-Online and a 30 day promo, so people that enjoy the world can possibly get even more invested!

I hope you guys had thought of this picture already, but I am posting it here incase it wasn't really thought through :)

I personally am not an FPS person, but I am sure as hell gonna give it a try.

And since I am here posting, guys back off CCP for the PS3 exclusiveness, I mean seriously, the case has been made, if you want it on Xbox, complain to Microsoft, am certain CCP didn't set out to sell this game short. And it has been said many times, Microsoft is limiting merger of CCP and Xbox. Stop Shooting your corp m8's and target the true enemy.

Thanx CCP for a great gaming experience!

WisdomPanda
Goatriders Horde
The Scapegoats
Posted - 2011.06.10 23:59:00 - [552]
 

If DUST can run off tears in a similar fashion to EvE, it should be a great success.

As far as PS3 vs 360 goes, I see it a lot like EvE vs WoW. Eve players are generally (and some times unbelievably), mature adults who are willing to invest a good portion of their disposable income into something they like. WoW players are, on average, not nearly as mature or as financially viable, but there are millions of the little troopers.

With the model they've selected, it won't take a WoW style account list for DUST to work on the PS3, as you are already looking at the more "high end" console market. (ps3>360>wii>ps2) If the controller is really what worries you, look here, or here, or even here. Although personally I've always found the PS3 controller to be a better all around game pad, even in FPS's.
(And having a PS3 since launch, I've played my fair share of FPS's on my still-running-ps3. Eat that RRoD'thers!)

This is of course ignoring all the crazy requirements that Microsoft puts on the developers for the xbox live. The model CCP wants to use simply would not be financially possible on the 360. If you have an issue with that, contact Microsoft and express your disappointment. I would say that if Microsoft went to CCP and offered what they needed to make it a reality, we wouldn't be creating this river of tears.

Also for the whole "ps3 will die in a few months when ps4 is released trololololololololol"; PS4 is slated until 2014, that's 2 years before any of that matters in the least. However once it is released, your console history should at least point out the PS2 as a fault in your frankly tragic logic. The PS2, by demand, has had a life cycle of 11 years thus far. Assuming the Ps3 can at least reach that, we're looking at ~2017, which would give us 5 years of DUST goodness before CCP would need to get around to porting it to the PS4 - which with the unreal engine and support it gets, should be fairly low-cost.

Truth be said though, If DUST not being on the 360 is the end of the world to you, I'm not even sure if I want to shoot your face off. And I enjoy shooting faces off.

Page Starcaster
Gallente
Society of lost Souls
Posted - 2011.06.11 01:15:00 - [553]
 

Edited by: Page Starcaster on 11/06/2011 01:19:38
It would seem to me that DUST 514 not being released on XBOX 360 really was not CCP's choice. The reason I say this is one simple fact. The thing that makes XBOX live so much more secure than PSN is that all the games are run on XBOX live servers. They have 100% control over the server environment.

You may say so what. But the problem with this is that DUST 514 needs to interface with the EVE servers and this can not be done unless it is run on CCP's servers. With the security protocols used by microsoft it would not be possible to interface the XBOX live servers with the EVE servers without basically handing over the EVE servers to Microsoft as well.

It is not that CCP choose to not make DUST a multi platform game. It is that the way MICROSOFT has chosen to set up the XBOX live servers make it very difficult if not impossible to run DUST 514 on XBOX 360. Blame MICROSOFT not CCP.

CCP has just chosen to make the most of the situation by deciding to focus development on the PS3 platform because XBOX 360 was just not an option due to the way MICROSOFT choose to set up XBOX live. Do you really think CCP who has made EVE to run on windows, and MAC, and even suports players running it on linux, would limit DUST 514 to one platform if it was feasible to make it for both XBOX 360 and PS3? Of course not, that is not how CCP works. They have just chosen to not point the finger at Microsoft, and rightfully so as it would possibly lead to a lawsuit if enough Mircosoft customers complained about it. And besides maybe they are still hoping to find a way to make it work. Blaming microsoft would cost them any hope they have of solving the issues.

The only thing I know for sure is CCP would not have limited DUST 514 to only one platform if they had a choice. And the fact that XBOX live charges for updates and several other mircosoft control elements that CCP does not agree with would have only been minor issues.

Zarnak Wulf
Posted - 2011.06.11 09:24:00 - [554]
 

Hybrids might actually be used again in small arms combat. You could also take worthless ships like electronic attack frigates and 1/2 mid slot AF out of eve-online and drop them into Dust. Laughing

McChib Ye
Posted - 2011.06.11 11:40:00 - [555]
 

Edited by: McChib Ye on 11/06/2011 11:40:13
Originally by: Page Starcaster
Edited by: Page Starcaster on 11/06/2011 01:19:38
It would seem to me that DUST 514 not being released on XBOX 360 really was not CCP's choice. The reason I say this is one simple fact. The thing that makes XBOX live so much more secure than PSN is that all the games are run on XBOX live servers. They have 100% control over the server environment.

Personal details - which potentially include names, addresses, phone numbers and dates of birth - were stolen during the Codemasters security breach.
A subsequent investigation revealed passwords, IP addresses, XBox gamer tags and biographies were also stolen.



You may say so what. But the problem with this is that DUST 514 needs to interface with the EVE servers and this can not be done unless it is run on CCP's servers. With the security protocols used by microsoft it would not be possible to interface the XBOX live servers with the EVE servers without basically handing over the EVE servers to Microsoft as well.

It is not that CCP choose to not make DUST a multi platform game. It is that the way MICROSOFT has chosen to set up the XBOX live servers make it very difficult if not impossible to run DUST 514 on XBOX 360. Blame MICROSOFT not CCP.

CCP has just chosen to make the most of the situation by deciding to focus development on the PS3 platform because XBOX 360 was just not an option due to the way MICROSOFT choose to set up XBOX live. Do you really think CCP who has made EVE to run on windows, and MAC, and even suports players running it on linux, would limit DUST 514 to one platform if it was feasible to make it for both XBOX 360 and PS3? Of course not, that is not how CCP works. They have just chosen to not point the finger at Microsoft, and rightfully so as it would possibly lead to a lawsuit if enough Mircosoft customers complained about it. And besides maybe they are still hoping to find a way to make it work. Blaming microsoft would cost them any hope they have of solving the issues.

The only thing I know for sure is CCP would not have limited DUST 514 to only one platform if they had a choice. And the fact that XBOX live charges for updates and several other mircosoft control elements that CCP does not agree with would have only been minor issues.


Added in something you missed in your post Very Happy

McStab Ye
Posted - 2011.06.11 11:56:00 - [556]
 

Originally by: DJMoz
Ok I have read for the most part all 19 pages of this thread to make sure this wasn't addressed.

It was mentioned that this game was going to be downloaded via the PS Network, after purchasing it from there. This seems fair and all, but if you have to buy it, why not have the option to go to the store and buy the game in a package? I personally would feel better not being required to ever give Sony my CC information.

But the other big mention for this concept is the marketing! Selling exclusively on the PS Network, you get no real Retail Promotions. If you want to break it into the market don't do like these horrible movie sequals and go direct to DVD, be proud of this game, put it in a box, on the shelves, maybe even with a copy of EVE-Online and a 30 day promo, so people that enjoy the world can possibly get even more invested!

I hope you guys had thought of this picture already, but I am posting it here incase it wasn't really thought through :)

I personally am not an FPS person, but I am sure as hell gonna give it a try.

And since I am here posting, guys back off CCP for the PS3 exclusiveness, I mean seriously, the case has been made, if you want it on Xbox, complain to Microsoft, am certain CCP didn't set out to sell this game short. And it has been said many times, Microsoft is limiting merger of CCP and Xbox. Stop Shooting your corp m8's and target the true enemy.

Thanx CCP for a great gaming experience!


Just use PSN cards from game/gamestaion/ect,no CC needed.

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.06.11 15:00:00 - [557]
 

Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 11/06/2011 15:00:06
Is Dust 514 still running on Unreal Engine 3 and Enlighten, or are you using Carbon to power it?

Kuma Akamen
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.11 22:21:00 - [558]
 

Edited by: Kuma Akamen on 11/06/2011 22:22:47
Edited by: Kuma Akamen on 11/06/2011 22:22:05
@CCP Shadow

I was wondering if the different races' and their equipment will have visual differences as pronounced as they are in EVE. Since the release of the Future Vision trailer all of the mercenaries look identical, and since the first announcement in 2009 we've been seeing the same vehicle designs (those HAVs/tanks look really generic by the way). I assume what we've been seeing is representative of the Caldari, but I just wanted to be sure.

And you probably can't talk about this, but do you know if there are plans for an "Art of DUST 514" book?

Kasidis
Gallente
Nexus.6
Posted - 2011.06.11 22:52:00 - [559]
 

Originally by: Kuma Akamen
Edited by: Kuma Akamen on 11/06/2011 22:22:47
Edited by: Kuma Akamen on 11/06/2011 22:22:05
@CCP Shadow

I was wondering if the different races' and their equipment will have visual differences as pronounced as they are in EVE. Since the release of the Future Vision trailer all of the mercenaries look identical, and since the first announcement in 2009 we've been seeing the same vehicle designs (those HAVs/tanks look really generic by the way). I assume what we've been seeing is representative of the Caldari, but I just wanted to be sure.

And you probably can't talk about this, but do you know if there are plans for an "Art of DUST 514" book?



Yes, shadow answered my question on the playstation blog. It was that exact question. Infact, looking over the latest trailer, you can see a gallente dropship from 0:45-0:50 compaired to a caldari one at 1:08-1:14.

Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
Posted - 2011.06.12 06:36:00 - [560]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: BlackCat862

I was under the impression that this would be a free PC game, is there any future plan to make it for pc for those of us that canít afford a PS3 and already play eve online?


CCP Shadow

BlackCat, DUST 514 is a PlayStation 3 exclusive title.



So how long is that contract? How many years do you have to stealth isk/cash from EVE to support Dust till you can release a PC version?

Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
Posted - 2011.06.12 07:40:00 - [561]
 

Originally by: CCP Shadow
Originally by: Blane Xero
CCP Shadow, In your opinion, not asking for iron facts just trying to get a feel of some idea of what is going on in the thinking process, what is the logic behind having no PC release?. I know about the whole "We don't want to compete with ourselfs" and similarly silly notions, but do you have a personal take on it?


Hi Blane. Been a while.

Alright. Well this is less of my personal take on things as it is the reasons, although this has already been stated in the past.

Our goal, stated on numerous occasions over the years, is to bring the EVE universe to a wider gaming audience through DUST 514 as a console title. A new platform. Shooters were the ideal way to do this while adding some diversity to how the EVE setting is experienced, rather than finding some way to put EVE Online on a console. Tbh, I have no idea how that would even work in the first place -- not impossible, but certainly very difficult.

So, as an EVE Online player, playing on PC or Mac, some view DUST 514 on console rather than PC as some peculiar lack of focus, etc.

What is being ignored with that criticism is that key thing we've stated time and time again -- we're reaching out to new players, expanding the playerbase actively involved in the EVE universe. Just as we've said all along. On console, as we've said all along. So I'm not sure why this comes as such a surprise to some commenters so far.

PC vs. console, PC vs. Mac, PS3 vs. 360, vanilla vs. chocolate, cats vs. dogs, pirates vs. ninjas. There's no way any single group of people can be expected to see eye to eye about all things. Please note that I'm not making light of these concerns at all - we are paying attention to this- but just stating the reality. Everyone has their preferred platform, everyone has their own preferences.

Some may disagree with CCP's decision, and that is duly noted. That is and will continue to be conveyed to those higher up in the company than me. That's part of my job as Community Manager for DUST 514. I'm not going to stop keeping my finger on the pulse of what people are discussing about DUST 514 (and its connections to EVE Online). I'm not going to stop informing my bosses of what matters to you.

Those who are unhappy about DUST 514 not being on the PC platform may take little comfort from this, but I want you to know this, regardless.



We want you to put it on the console we just dont understand why it's not on the pc too. I mean come on EVE and Dust514 will not even compete with each other as there game play are so far apart it's not even funny. I mean I hope your not scared of lossing your pvp players to Dust514 right?

I mean EVE pvp is about = to Chess and FPS pvp when done right is about = Real Sports becouse it takes real personal skill and reflexes to play well.

So you see EVE and Dust514 will not compete with each other on the pc platform even if some of the players that play EVE pick up Dust or the other way around. But you will have players that play both and thats just more cash for CCP.

Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2011.06.12 09:52:00 - [562]
 

Edited by: Zey Nadar on 12/06/2011 09:52:34
Originally by: Gamepro
Well, here's some news that might convince you to try it out: Dust 514 is free. That's right, free. Free to download, free to play. The only money you'll have to pay is if you want to purchase virtual goods such as advanced weaponry, battle gear and vehicles -- and even then, much of it will be purchasable via in-game currency as opposed to real cash.


I just hope there isn't a way to convert aurum into isk, as that may have bad repercussions, considering playing dust will be free.. And evel: dust will propably be F2P same way as for instance Champions online is F2P. There will be a huge amount of benefits for paying micropayments with money, and more money to be made from people who think that not subbing is going to make it cheaper..

Champions online went free-to-play this winter and considerably increased its revenue after doing so.

Market babe Smith
Posted - 2011.06.13 07:31:00 - [563]
 

How evil it might sound i'm glad it's only on ps3. That way it's optimized to run on ps3 and not just a cheap ass port from the xbox version. And because ps3 got a superior hardware which means that there is more potential to make a better game, and by better I don't just mean graphics, but gameplay aspects as well.

Dust will be free and downloadable from psn so i can't see why it would die if the ps4 comes out 2016 (sony's 10 year plan), ccp could just update the game and you could download it on the ps4.

Yes it's sad that the xbox player who have been waiting for dust can't play it, but that's the way the cookie crumbles Razz

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.06.13 15:53:00 - [564]
 

Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 13/06/2011 15:56:46
Originally by: Rip Minner
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: BlackCat862

I was under the impression that this would be a free PC game, is there any future plan to make it for pc for those of us that canít afford a PS3 and already play eve online?


CCP Shadow

BlackCat, DUST 514 is a PlayStation 3 exclusive title.



So how long is that contract? How many years do you have to stealth isk/cash from EVE to support Dust till you can release a PC version?

Exclusivity is generally 6 months long, but even so, I won't be surprised if there aren't any plans for a PC version until the end of this console generation.

Fred Kyong
Caldari
EWH NanoTex
Posted - 2011.06.15 05:30:00 - [565]
 

I will not go into playstation, no matter its Dust 514 or Dust 515

Caroline Leclair
Posted - 2011.06.15 08:52:00 - [566]
 

Ok guys, get over it. Exclusive titles have been happening since before the SEGA Genesis was launched. Anyone who really plays video games has known that unless they buy both systems they aren't going to be playing all the big name games they want.

On the downside, my PS3 won't recognize a disc unless it's been turned off for 4+ hours. (which means that yes, I must decide which game I wish to play 4 hours in advance.) Anyone know what could be causing this?

Pharon Reichter
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.15 09:59:00 - [567]
 

Naw , actually the exclusive titles are the exception nowadays. And most of them published by in-house studios. ( or for that matter studios owned by console manufacturers )

Any serious independent producer actually makes their game multiplatform. none of the reaons "guessed" by diffrent people are real deal-breakers, they'd only make the project harder to develop. We didnt expect this to be easy for ccp when they started but if they did we do expect them to appeal to a larger gamer-base.

Excluding virtually half of the console players from it will affect all of us even if we dont play DUST since less player-base means less revenue means less updates and more money from EVE funeled into DUST. I say that since once this project is started i suspect they will try to keep it alive for some time even if it will mean money loss. More playerbase meas more chance of game surviving.

But yea, if you let your 10 years old fanboy ego think you won a round because it's released for your game console and that will benefit you in any way, please go at it.

Jass Sunrunner
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.15 18:38:00 - [568]
 

is dust going to be free on PSN, Ive just had to cancel my cards due to sony's lack of security, there's no way im putting any other payment details into PSN

Edgar Loke
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:01:00 - [569]
 

Is there any decision being made about including USB keyboard and mouse support for Dust? I think that would be something that would help a lot of people get over the whole "console only" complaint about the game. It might even make it easier for some people to jump in and play.

Hell, one of my corpmates told me he'd think about buying a PS3 if Dust included keyboard + mouse support.

Vigoth Ritic
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:35:00 - [570]
 

What's the CHEAT CODE for more isk?



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