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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:31:00 - [451]
 

Edited by: Blane Xero on 08/06/2011 12:32:30
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Originally by: Blane Xero
CCP Shadow, In your opinion, not asking for iron facts just trying to get a feel of some idea of what is going on in the thinking process, what is the logic behind having no PC release?. I know about the whole "We don't want to compete with ourselfs" and similarly silly notions, but do you have a personal take on it?


Hi Blane. Been a while.

Alright. Well this is less of my personal take on things as it is the reasons, although this has already been stated in the past.

Our goal, stated on numerous occasions over the years, is to bring the EVE universe to a wider gaming audience through DUST 514 as a console title. A new platform. Shooters were the ideal way to do this while adding some diversity to how the EVE setting is experienced, rather than finding some way to put EVE Online on a console. Tbh, I have no idea how that would even work in the first place -- not impossible, but certainly very difficult.

So, as an EVE Online player, playing on PC or Mac, some view DUST 514 on console rather than PC as some peculiar lack of focus, etc.

What is being ignored with that criticism is that key thing we've stated time and time again -- we're reaching out to new players, expanding the playerbase actively involved in the EVE universe. Just as we've said all along. On console, as we've said all along. So I'm not sure why this comes as such a surprise to some commenters so far.

PC vs. console, PC vs. Mac, PS3 vs. 360, vanilla vs. chocolate, cats vs. dogs, pirates vs. ninjas. There's no way any single group of people can be expected to see eye to eye about all things. Please note that I'm not making light of these concerns at all - we are paying attention to this- but just stating the reality. Everyone has their preferred platform, everyone has their own preferences.

Some may disagree with CCP's decision, and that is duly noted. That is and will continue to be conveyed to those higher up in the company than me. That's part of my job as Community Manager for DUST 514. I'm not going to stop keeping my finger on the pulse of what people are discussing about DUST 514 (and its connections to EVE Online). I'm not going to stop informing my bosses of what matters to you.

Those who are unhappy about DUST 514 not being on the PC platform may take little comfort from this, but I want you to know this, regardless.

I guess I just don't see why it needs to be a console exclusive for you to "widen the market". DUST514 is already going to be an entirely other genre of game - an FPS - and as such It will already appeal to a vastly different sect of gamers than Eve does. I could understand it much more if the PS3 release happened as well as a PC release, be they timed together or the PS3 first or vice versa, but to us onlookers watching this unfold, CCP is now having to justify choosing the PS3 over the 360 to people as the PS3 being more "MMO Friendly" when you're leaving out the most MMO friendly platform to date. It's almost as if you're taking the viewpoint that you have tapped the entire PC gaming vein.

All of this is ignoring the news that the sole intended income stream for you as a business in DUST is microtransactions, something I really can't understand for CCP as a business model when you have so pridefully defended yourself as a company that doesn't charge for expansions.

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:32:00 - [452]
 

Originally by: Malcheus
oh yeah, one thing; will EVE and DUST514 account/subscription/credit card data be on the same server?



No. EVE Online billing info is on CCP's server, not Sony's. Transactions for DUST 514 are handled via the PlayStation Network.

Capt Lynch
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:35:00 - [453]
 

Edited by: Capt Lynch on 08/06/2011 12:38:09
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:43:41
Originally by: Fiona Marquise
Brilliant, lets all go trust a company that has lost over 100 million users personal credit card information, SEVERAL TIMES, thats such a brilliant and intelligent move, its like shoving your hand in the garbage disposal and turning it on to see if it is working yet.

Please mark where I stated where you should place your trust. Are you delusional, or something? Did you even read my post?

Sure, Sony had shoddy security on numerous fronts, but do you honestly expect such a thing to happen again? The PlayStation Network was hacked ONCE, and Sony has since then beefed up its security appropriately. Any other hacks have been unrelated to the PlayStation Network.


Yes...but the other hacks were...in order...their PC gaming site...and a section of their network that was staff only. If they cannot protect their staff only areas...how can they protect your data?

Oberine...I advise that before you defend sony...you read up a little more on the hack incidents. Like this

GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:44:00 - [454]
 

Edited by: GeeShizzle MacCloud on 08/06/2011 12:53:34

hey shadow! glad to see ur taking the time to answer question in here... i appreciate theres some things you cannot tell us yet about it.

one of my main questions at the moment is one of unfair advantage.

Q: is CCP/the DUST514 dev team seriously looking into FPS anti-cheat software or some way to curb the age old aimbotters/wallhackers that you tend to get on FPS games? as incentives and possible rewards(if u can call it that) for cheaters will be far greater than any other current FPS game.

Q: will you be coding in a sort of single player boot camp/Quake 3 arena single player style part for players to practice and still enjoy DUST514 when either Sonys network has outages or we have local internet issues?

Q: in terms of eve online/DUST 514's interaction with each others economy, will there actually be a believable level of scale that corresponds with the amount of materials and size of items?
For example will there be an absurd situation where a tank requires more m3 of parts/higher cost than a T1 frigate even though the frigate is a bajilion times larger than the tank?

cheers for your time m8!

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:47:00 - [455]
 

Originally by: Ciar Meara
Edited by: Ciar Meara on 07/06/2011 07:59:46


I like it, been looking for a good reason to buy a playstation anyway.
Apart from the gaming it is an nice media platform.

Although the security issues are worrying I'd guess that sony recently invested a huge amount of money to make sure this stuff won't happen again, otherwise they'd be finished.

Cross platform seemed to me to be a pipedream, as far as I know XBOX is very restrictive about this. All things considered PS3 is a logical choice.

I look foward to the interaction of rifles versus dreadnaughts. I love the fact that they are writing chronicles for this also!

QUESTION: Will there be an eve themed ps3 package for sale?



Cool.

Yeah, DUST Chronicles will be released, in CCP Remnant's own words, "fortnightly".

If there have been talks about some sort of console, controller, or peripheral branded with the EVE IP (including DUST 514), I've never heard of this. But again, I'm not involved in business development here. Some players brought this idea up at the EVE-DUST Link Roundtable at the last Fanfest and there were some good ideas expressed.

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:59:00 - [456]
 

Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
Edited by: GeeShizzle MacCloud on 08/06/2011 12:45:19
hey shadow! glad to see ur taking the time to answer question in here... i appreciate theres some things you cannot tell us yet about it.

one of my main questions at the moment is one of unfair advantage.

Q: is CCP/the DUST514 dev team seriously looking into FPS anti-cheat software or some way to curb the age old aimbotters/wallhackers that you tend to get on FPS games? as incentives and possible rewards(if u can call it that) for cheaters will be far greater than any other current FPS game.

Q: will you be coding in a sort of single player boot camp/Quake 3 arena single player style part for players to practice and still enjoy DUST514 when either Sonys network has outages or you have local internet issues?

Q: in terms of eve online/DUST 514's interaction with each others economy, will there actually be a believable level of scale that corresponds with the amount of materials and size of items?
For example will there be an absurd situation where a tank requires more m3 of parts/higher cost than a T1 frigate even though the frigate is a bajilion times larger than the tank?

cheers for your time m8!


Hey, no problem. I meant to get in here last night but it had been a 14 hour day by that point. So, catching up a bit.

Unfortunately, what you said about there being things I cannot discuss yet applies here. Not because it's supersekrit info so much as I'm not someone who can speak about anti-cheating measures built into the game, though of course that's sure to be a question the DUST 514 team will be asked more often as we near launch.

As to the second question, DUST 514 isn't a single player game. It's really all about the online interaction and getting involved with the setting. Much like we don't have an offline version of EVE Online, barring hamster strikes.

The economy questions - and there are really a lot of them I've seen or been asked directly - are ones that will be answered in dev blogs at DUST514.com by our economist working on this title. I don't have an ETA on those as there are a number of topics we'll be addressing in the DUST 514 dev blogs.

Sorry, I wish I had more solid answers to these that I could provide.

Dongo Lars
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.08 13:00:00 - [457]
 

I'd like to know more about PS Vita running DUST. I keep running into that but no serious info really. Will it be possible to play on Vita with PS3 players? What I got from E3 it looks like Vita can do a lot of stuff on that front (PS3 compatibility)

Buying PS3 in 2012 isn't really smart for me (just because of DUST for that matter) but this new PSP seems nice ...

Rakrent Xeres
Psykotic Meat
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2011.06.08 13:04:00 - [458]
 

Hm. Putting Dust on the PC would only have two games fighting it out for the same player base. Putting it on the PS3 allows for a whole new demographic, plus I'm assuming the PS hardware is better for the EVE universe's higher end graphic specs. I was starting to worry it wouldn't be a genuine EVE experience - but the rabble rousing in this thread have certainly put that worry to rest. No new feature in EVE is complete without the necessary prerequisite weeping, wailing and the dire predictions of impending disaster.

Planets shoot back? Awesome! I'd better get cracking and skill up on Dreads then, eh? Good luck, fellas!

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 13:10:00 - [459]
 

Originally by: Dongo Lars
I'd like to know more about PS Vita running DUST. I keep running into that but no serious info really. Will it be possible to play on Vita with PS3 players? What I got from E3 it looks like Vita can do a lot of stuff on that front (PS3 compatibility)

Buying PS3 in 2012 isn't really smart for me (just because of DUST for that matter) but this new PSP seems nice ...


Dongo, I can't pass along solid details of how PS Vita can add-on to DUST 514. But I do want to clarify that DUST 514 itself isn't designed to be played on PS Vita, the goal there is to have the potential to extend DUST 514 out into the Sony 'ecosystem' beyond the PS3, which includes PS Vita and PlayStation Home.

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 13:12:00 - [460]
 

Originally by: Rakrent Xeres
Hm. Putting Dust on the PC would only have two games fighting it out for the same player base. Putting it on the PS3 allows for a whole new demographic, plus I'm assuming the PS hardware is better for the EVE universe's higher end graphic specs. I was starting to worry it wouldn't be a genuine EVE experience - but the rabble rousing in this thread have certainly put that worry to rest. No new feature in EVE is complete without the necessary prerequisite weeping, wailing and the dire predictions of impending disaster.

Planets shoot back? Awesome! I'd better get cracking and skill up on Dreads then, eh? Good luck, fellas!


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GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.08 13:27:00 - [461]
 

thanks anyways shadow.. ill just have to keep my eyes on the official webby then! appreciate the speedy response tho!

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 13:29:00 - [462]
 

Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Regarding the visuals, is there any chance the game will have some color? So far, everything I've seen shows that the game's visual style is very bleak. I'm not expecting rainbows, or anything like that, but not every map has to look like a nuclear wasteland. Razz


Crimson splatters and streaks are colorful, right? Wink

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 13:32:00 - [463]
 

Originally by: minerdave
im not to worried about the fact its a ps3 exclusive, what i am worried about is the controller setup


Can you clarify? You mean remapping/customizing your controls or just referring to using the control pad itself?

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 13:37:00 - [464]
 

Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Evelgrivion
To all the CCP guys inevitably proclaiming that we're all "Awesome Hating Terrorists™," grow up; these criticisms are born as a result of your work, and these points are there to be critical of the work; they're not personal attacks.


No, but I think the bolded bit in your quote is a borderline personal attack, since I've not seen one post from a CCP employee saying anything of the kind.


No one I know here is saying that Evelgrivion. Although I did personally get a few nastygrams on Twitter yesterday. Evil or Very Mad (Screengrabbed for posterity.)

The Fu
Posted - 2011.06.08 14:20:00 - [465]
 

Originally by: fantastic mr fox
Originally by: The Fu
And please dont bother telling me that they said console only years ago as I dont care about that.


And this, sirs, says it all. "I only care about me".

To think Eve Online has a reputation for having a mature, intelligent player base. Well that's clearly a load of c*cksh*t.

People forgetting that Eve is someone else's business, not their birth-born right. Idiots.




I like it when people claim that, people whose interests don't line up exactly with what is happening, only care about themselves. This was a business decision made by ccp, I don't like it and that makes me selfish? Let's see if that logic works on another company. I like Dr. Pepper, if Pepsi decided that Dr. Pepper was not making them enough money (not operating at a loss mind you just not profitable "enough"). So, Pepsi decides that it will no longer produce Dr. Pepper and will concentrate on Pepsi. By your logic I don't have the right to be upset about something that I like no longer being produced because I am being selfish correct?
By this we see that everyone who has ever not liked something that someone or something else has done only cares about themselves. Makes perfect sense.
Also I don't recall having actually referred to Eve at all. But consumers of goods/services are a rather major part of a business wouldn't you say? You do understand that in order to have a business, consumers are required? If you alienate the consumer or consumers (a group I mostly proudly call myself a part of), then would you not agree that it will be difficult to continue your business?

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 14:23:00 - [466]
 

Originally by: fantastic mr fox
Can I play my World of Darkness character in Dust514?


There are no vampires in the EVE universe. Only Blood Raiders. Twisted Evil

fantastic mr fox
Posted - 2011.06.08 14:24:00 - [467]
 

Originally by: The Fu
I like it when people claim that, people whose interests don't line up exactly with what is happening, only care about themselves. This was a business decision made by ccp, I don't like it and that makes me selfish? Let's see if that logic works on another company. I like Dr. Pepper, if Pepsi decided that Dr. Pepper was not making them enough money (not operating at a loss mind you just not profitable "enough"). So, Pepsi decides that it will no longer produce Dr. Pepper and will concentrate on Pepsi. By your logic I don't have the right to be upset about something that I like no longer being produced because I am being selfish correct?
By this we see that everyone who has ever not liked something that someone or something else has done only cares about themselves. Makes perfect sense.
Also I don't recall having actually referred to Eve at all. But consumers of goods/services are a rather major part of a business wouldn't you say? You do understand that in order to have a business, consumers are required? If you alienate the consumer or consumers (a group I mostly proudly call myself a part of), then would you not agree that it will be difficult to continue your business?


Er, ok, sure.

So, Vampire or Werewolf? (just so I know which side not to choose) :)

fantastic mr fox
Posted - 2011.06.08 14:26:00 - [468]
 

Originally by: CCP Shadow
Originally by: fantastic mr fox
Can I play my World of Darkness character in Dust514?


There are no vampires in the EVE universe. Only Blood Raiders. Twisted Evil


A quote just before I made another WoD joke - it's too much like coincidence!

Are can flippers not vampires? (I've heard of some vampires too weak to hunt humans)

The Fu
Posted - 2011.06.08 14:29:00 - [469]
 

Originally by: fantastic mr fox
Originally by: The Fu
I like it when people claim that, people whose interests don't line up exactly with what is happening, only care about themselves. This was a business decision made by ccp, I don't like it and that makes me selfish? Let's see if that logic works on another company. I like Dr. Pepper, if Pepsi decided that Dr. Pepper was not making them enough money (not operating at a loss mind you just not profitable "enough"). So, Pepsi decides that it will no longer produce Dr. Pepper and will concentrate on Pepsi. By your logic I don't have the right to be upset about something that I like no longer being produced because I am being selfish correct?
By this we see that everyone who has ever not liked something that someone or something else has done only cares about themselves. Makes perfect sense.
Also I don't recall having actually referred to Eve at all. But consumers of goods/services are a rather major part of a business wouldn't you say? You do understand that in order to have a business, consumers are required? If you alienate the consumer or consumers (a group I mostly proudly call myself a part of), then would you not agree that it will be difficult to continue your business?


Er, ok, sure.

So, Vampire or Werewolf? (just so I know which side not to choose) :)


No worries there WoD doesn't really interest me that much tbh

fantastic mr fox
Posted - 2011.06.08 14:30:00 - [470]
 

Getting back on topic.

How will Dust514 players interact with players? I hear that EveGate will play a part of that, but looking at the previous Dust514 trailer it suggests there's going to be interaction in stations -- will it be as cool as the trailer? (holograms projected from the surface :)). Mail? Chat? What else can I dig for in a single question...?

Kile Kitmoore
Posted - 2011.06.08 14:42:00 - [471]
 

Edited by: Kile Kitmoore on 08/06/2011 14:57:22
Originally by: darmwand
FYI, a rather interesting interview about EVE and Dust.


Thanks for the link and it was a really good read.

Quote:
RPS: I get that, and obviously no one can yet prove otherwise, but I’m sure that your core audience – even the people who’ve stopped playing EVE – it just seems so strange to not offer this to a PC audience. So what is the reason? You were saying about cannibalising from your playerbase, but I’m sure there are people who would play both, or pick up DUST after having formerly played EVE.

Torfi: It is a different experience though. It is a different means to access the EVE universe.

Thomas: And never say never, of course.

Torfi: Sony do have a number policies about how you present the user interface, and how accessible the game is. For us it’s somewhat healthy, to have those policies in place, because let’s face it – EVE is not the most accessible game in the universe. Although we have made great strides to make it more accessible over the years. So the answer is, we feel that working with Sony we can deliver the EVE world to a bigger audience, and partnering with them exclusively makes it a more meaningful relationship.

Thomas: It’s certainly a much more beneficial relationship for us. And this is the first time we’ve worked on console, so this is what we need to get our heads down and focused on doing it. And then like everything we do we’re going to drop it into the hands of the players, into the EVE universe, to see what happens. How do people want to play with this?


It's this responce which pretty much hits it out of the park for me.

Quote:
jplayer01 says: 06/08/2011 at 08:41

Wow, it feels like even they aren’t sure why it’s a PS3 exclusive. They weren’t able to deliver any arguments aside from “don’t want to cannibalize existing user base”, “it’s a different experience” and some bla-bla about focusing on one platform.

It’s all a load of bullocks. I, as a PC gamer, would love to take part in the EVE universe. However, EVE Online as it exists now doesn’t interest me. Now Dust 514, a game I used to be very interested in, is only being released on a console and I won’t buy it (I don’t play FPS on consoles).

I think they’ve failed to realize that there’s a very large potential user base on the PC platform who believe that the EVE universe is a fascinating sandbox … but who can’t stand the game itself enough to join it (like me). People who enjoy reading about the game and what happens in it, but aren’t interested in the kind of gameplay offered in EVE Online (spreadsheets anyone? mining?). I think there are plenty of us who want to jump into the EVE universe who currently aren’t playing EVE Online.

Additionally, I think it’s only logical that Dust 514 be released on the PC. Consoles already have very powerful franchises which dominate the scene (CoD, GoW, Halo, etc.) while Dust will be a completely new and unknown contender. On the PC, EVE is a very well-known game … many have heard about it or even regularly read about the crazy heists, fraud, and betrayal that happen. It has at least some visibility, as well as a sizeable existing user base that can promote the game to non-EVE players. On the console, CCP has none of this. They’re up against entrenched franchises with literally zero name recognition amongst console gamers.

So, CCP, seriously … what about us?


It's that whole "cannibalizing" the market which bugs me. How many trials convert to sub around here? The game EVE Online is not for everyone, people do like their twitch based/action oriented MMO's. Dust could have been the bridge to those people. Missed opportunity.

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 14:52:00 - [472]
 

Originally by: fantastic mr fox
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Originally by: fantastic mr fox
Can I play my World of Darkness character in Dust514?


There are no vampires in the EVE universe. Only Blood Raiders. Twisted Evil


A quote just before I made another WoD joke - it's too much like coincidence!

Are can flippers not vampires? (I've heard of some vampires too weak to hunt humans)


I read your mind. Also, to "Are can flippers not vampires?", I guess my response is that not all parasites are vamps. Twisted Evil

Disclaimer: I've flipped some cans myself in the past, but no longer.

fantastic mr fox
Posted - 2011.06.08 14:55:00 - [473]
 

Originally by: CCP Shadow
Originally by: fantastic mr fox
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Originally by: fantastic mr fox
Can I play my World of Darkness character in Dust514?


There are no vampires in the EVE universe. Only Blood Raiders. Twisted Evil


A quote just before I made another WoD joke - it's too much like coincidence!

Are can flippers not vampires? (I've heard of some vampires too weak to hunt humans)


I read your mind. Also, to "Are can flippers not vampires?", I guess my response is that not all parasites are vamps. Twisted Evil

Disclaimer: I've flipped some cans myself in the past, but no longer.


Aha! Well I'm sure if we held an amnesty on can flipping, the thread would have to be locked for fear of bringing the forums down.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.08 15:49:00 - [474]
 

I've seen Dust mentioned regarding High sec, low sec and 0.0 space... does this mean that wormholes will at least initially be dust-free?

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 15:59:00 - [475]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
I've seen Dust mentioned regarding High sec, low sec and 0.0 space... does this mean that wormholes will at least initially be dust-free?


To the best of my knowledge, yes.

Feyde Harkonen
Posted - 2011.06.08 16:12:00 - [476]
 

Well I'm sure all 15 people who who still own a PS3 and play it will make it all worth while to CCP.

Samuel Miner
Caldari
Perilous Expedition
Posted - 2011.06.08 16:34:00 - [477]
 

Being exclusive to the PS3 seems very counter-intuitive to your ultimate goal of bringing more people to EVE. The PS3 is the least popular console from this generation of machines and has had ridiculous security problems as of late. On top of that, their online features have always been the most lack luster.

From what has been said by devs, it seems like there was some complications involving xbox live and how they wanted to you to implement the online side of things. To ignore them and go exclusively with PS3 seems lazy for lack of a better word. Really, could you absolutely not make the game work with xbox live's rules and regs?

Daniel Cypher
Posted - 2011.06.08 16:39:00 - [478]
 

PS3 Exclusive, what a bummer. My small corp is made up of close friends who all play Battlefield and Back-ops on Xbox. We couldn't wait to start our Merc group in dust.

Sadly it wont happen :( I just happened to have an Xbox and can't justify buying another console for a single game.

Neutral

MoonglumX
Posted - 2011.06.08 17:15:00 - [479]
 

I can't wait for Dust. I think putting it on PS3 makes sense, but that's just me.

I do have one question, reading the Dust blog it sounds like EVE-like game complexity will work the same in Dust such as managing fits, finances, and skills. Will Dust still be accessible to people who are used to today's FPS games where you just choose a job, configure your gun, and jump into the fight?


Lysander Kaldenn
Dead Reckoning.
Posted - 2011.06.08 17:21:00 - [480]
 

CCP will roll the dice on the PS3. If it fails (which, come on it's PS3. It's not like this thing is going to stop getting hacked, it's compromised on the root level for god's sake...) they'll just port the ***** to PC and spend the next 5 years patching it into working the way it supposed too.




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