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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.06.08 04:35:00 - [421]
 

Originally by: Sister Megarea
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa

Sure, Sony had shoddy security on numerous fronts, but do you honestly expect such a thing to happen again? The PlayStation Network was hacked ONCE, and Sony has since then beefed up its security appropriately. Any other hacks have been unrelated to the PlayStation Network.


PlayStation Network hacked, data stolen: how badly is Sony hurt?

Sony PSN hacked - CC info, customer info, PSN account info stolen.

Related:
Sony admits utter PSN failure: your personal data has been stolen

Sony hacked again, used to host phishing site

European Sony web server hacked, used for phishing site

Sony hacked yet again, plaintext passwords, e-mails, DOB posted

"Databases used to operate sonypictures.com, sonybmg.nl, and sonybmg.be have been compromised"

And you call this "beefing up security" ?

And CCP wants to tie its name to a company humiliatingly compromised thrice in five weeks ?

that's 3 incidents up there..
1 for PSN
1 for some webserver the company owns through one of its local subsidaries in europe
1 for the picture service

If you live in a house how many entrances are there for burglary?
Sony is freaking big.

PS: My CC has been compromised 2 weeks ago.. some freaks in the UK tried to charge around 600EUR from me. My bank was fast, all back now and I get a new card with better security. How come? Dunno.. only made two purchases on the net with reliable services within the last 6 months, nothing else.
Will think thrice in future.

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.06.08 04:35:00 - [422]
 

Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 04:41:02
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 04:40:38
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 04:38:23
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 04:37:14
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 04:36:07
Originally by: Sister Megarea
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa

Sure, Sony had shoddy security on numerous fronts, but do you honestly expect such a thing to happen again? The PlayStation Network was hacked ONCE, and Sony has since then beefed up its security appropriately. Any other hacks have been unrelated to the PlayStation Network.


PlayStation Network hacked, data stolen: how badly is Sony hurt?

Sony PSN hacked - CC info, customer info, PSN account info stolen.

Related:
Sony admits utter PSN failure: your personal data has been stolen

Sony hacked again, used to host phishing site

European Sony web server hacked, used for phishing site

Sony hacked yet again, plaintext passwords, e-mails, DOB posted

"Databases used to operate sonypictures.com, sonybmg.nl, and sonybmg.be have been compromised"

And you call this "beefing up security" ?

And CCP wants to tie its name to a company humiliatingly compromised thrice in five weeks ?

You do realize that the other hacks are unrelated to the PlayStation Network, right? Also note that the hacked networks didn't receive any sort of reinforcement whatsoever, but obviously WILL be receiving additional security now that they've been hacked. Are you so naive to think that Sony's network infrastructure is unified? You're really reaching here.

Originally by: JBrace2
If you want to make a change, start a petition. Hopefully, with enough signatures, CCP will realize how much money there is to be made by porting to Xbox360 as well.

http://www.change.org/petitions/make-dust514-for-xbox360

A lack of Dust 514 on the Xbox 360 is not CCP's problem, it's Microsoft's.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.06.08 04:38:00 - [423]
 

Originally by: JBrace2
If you want to make a change, start a petition. Hopefully, with enough signatures, CCP will realize how much money there is to be made by porting to Xbox360 as well.

http://www.change.org/petitions/make-dust514-for-xbox360

Microsoft doesn't allow for the Dust514 you think you might get on XBOX. If CCP makes a Dust for XBOX it will have nothing to do with the persistent Eve you know and definitely fail and die within 2 months.

Kasidis
Gallente
Nexus.6
Posted - 2011.06.08 05:10:00 - [424]
 

I feel like jumping off a bridge for how many ignorant hyper-critical ****head people are here. 2 YEARS AGO ccp said it wouldn't be on PC and everyone was fine with it then, so why complain now. It's microsofts fault for not having DUST, you think CCP refused it? Microsoft wanted control over their servers. CCP wants to attract different customers for their new game instead of existing EvE players. If they wanted only EvE players playing it then they would have made it an EvE expansion. HTFU people. Look **** up first before posting.

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.08 05:31:00 - [425]
 

Originally by: Nac MacFeegle
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Nac MacFeegle



And until I see a press release, or a front-page-announced blog entry from someone who matters, I will not be satisified. The clock is ticking, CCP. Do you want the money from the people who are legitimately concerned abot this?




You wound me :(


Sorry Bucky, but until I get public (and I mean PUBLIC) reassurance from the God Emperor of CCP, I'm not going to be satisified. And I don't believe a lot of people will be, either.


You sir, are a very special and unique snowflake. I am certian that all of your friends and family are proud to say they know you.

I own a 360 and a PS3, and I'm glad it's going to be on the PS3. The 360 is a turd. $10 month to play a shooter online? No thanks, can play the exact same game on the PS3; without worrying about burning the console up.

And anyone that thought Dust would be on both the 360 and PS3 is out of their mind. That's two dif. consoles to update, and connect to EVE. It was pretty obvious this was going to be a console exlusive from the get go.

You go CCP. I'm looking forward to playing Dust on my PS3.

skittles666
Posted - 2011.06.08 05:49:00 - [426]
 

i dont give a ass rat's about dust but im glad ccp made sense and used the playstation 3

far better built games console than the 360 hands down (yes its been proven in many reviewers who have taken both consoles apart :P)

still lets hope sony are kind to ccp on the way they licence it ugh

Flamespar
Posted - 2011.06.08 06:32:00 - [427]
 

Does anyone else see the irony with whiney Eve online players complaining about having to play with whiney PS3 players?

I for one welcome our new pimply 12 year old console gaming overlords.

fantastic mr fox
Posted - 2011.06.08 06:55:00 - [428]
 

Originally by: The Fu
And please dont bother telling me that they said console only years ago as I dont care about that.


And this, sirs, says it all. "I only care about me".

To think Eve Online has a reputation for having a mature, intelligent player base. Well that's clearly a load of c*cksh*t.

People forgetting that Eve is someone else's business, not their birth-born right. Idiots.


Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.06.08 07:08:00 - [429]
 

Originally by: fantastic mr fox
People forgetting that Eve is someone else's business, not their birth-born right. Idiots.

Indeed. Talk about biting the hand.

Dorn Val
Posted - 2011.06.08 07:29:00 - [430]
 

First let me say that I'm really quite God smacked at the possibilities presented with linking Eve Online and Dust 514. Best of luck to you all on the project CCP!

My question: I'm amusing that Dust 514 corporations will form alliances and fight for control of systems on the ground in much the same way that Eve Online players do now in space. Will it be possible for Dust players to hire Eve players to provide space based protection and support for their ground war that does not involve war declarations? Here's my concept: A Dust corp / alliance pays for aerial support and the Eve corp or alliance then has the right to shoot anyone that lands on the same grid as the planet (even in high sec). So that aggression is no longer limited to a single corp / alliance, but is location based and sanctioned. Also it would be cool if the location based aggression mechanic is instantaneous, and if it would show up in much the same way that Incursions do now. Maybe have a warning when you enter a system that tells you what planet(s) are "restricted combat areas".

darmwand
Blood Money Dark Angels
Posted - 2011.06.08 08:33:00 - [431]
 

FYI, a rather interesting interview about EVE and Dust.

Shepard Book
Posted - 2011.06.08 10:57:00 - [432]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
You saw the live stream, now read the words from the man himself: CCP Hellmar's newest dev blog provides additional details about CCP's upcoming title, DUST 514. Learn more about DUST's mercenaries by reading his blog here.

* Read German translation
* Read Russian translation

CCP Shadow is answering questions on the PlayStation blog about DUST 514. We will be reposting the questions and answers to this thread to keep you in the loop about DUST 514.


Congrats on being at this stage CCP! I know you have been working long and hard on his venture. I look forward to shooting someone in the face too )

Kerregan
Posted - 2011.06.08 11:08:00 - [433]
 

Well there goes the EVE Future Vision out of the Window.

Money over Brain thats what this is about.
- Console Games have the livespan of a Fly
- Shooter on a Console - lol never
- Sony: to team up with the most hated Company over all the Internet is rely "clever"
- Im a PC Gamer thats why i play EVE, no way i buy a Console
- So the Eve Community will go on playing DICE Shooters instead of switching to CCP/Dust51 ... "smart" ...


Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.08 11:10:00 - [434]
 

Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Originally by: fantastic mr fox
People forgetting that Eve is someone else's business, not their birth-born right. Idiots.

Indeed. Talk about biting the hand.
No. This isn't Eve Players moaning because they don't get first priority. This is people with common sense realising the following statement is entirely contradictory:

Restricting it to a single console (Of any kind) is opening it to a wider market.

Wind's Shadow
Posted - 2011.06.08 11:19:00 - [435]
 

Edited by: Wind''s Shadow on 08/06/2011 11:20:11
Thank you very much CCP for f*cking you clients again.

Oh, you might ask why? Well I will explain.

In one of the news releases you have stated that the game would either be on the Xbox or cross platformed. Being a loyal player, I have actually bought the damn Xbox just because the CCP said the game would be there.

Then you have sort of frozen the project and I thought "well, sooner or later they will make it, so I stick with the Xbox". Now it is a PS3 game. Cool. I have bought the damn Xbox for nothing.

Actually it was me and at least 3 of my friends who did it. Thanks again. Very MUCH.

Samuel Miner
Caldari
Perilous Expedition
Posted - 2011.06.08 11:24:00 - [436]
 

Nail in a DUSTy coffin.

People actually own PS3's 0_o

And they still go online with them? The PSN is actually up again 0_o

fantastic mr fox
Posted - 2011.06.08 11:33:00 - [437]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Originally by: fantastic mr fox
People forgetting that Eve is someone else's business, not their birth-born right. Idiots.

Indeed. Talk about biting the hand.
No. This isn't Eve Players moaning because they don't get first priority. This is people with common sense realising the following statement is entirely contradictory:

Restricting it to a single console (Of any kind) is opening it to a wider market.


The statement is not contradictory. Adding any platform is adding more users, is growth. If you can't understand that, you're not in a position to dictate common sense. Common sense for CCP is choosing a platform holder that will allow them to make the game they want to make, without concession.

Everyone's an expert, except the experts, who are apparently stupid and brainless. Yet here you are, playing their game still.

Hawk TT
Caldari
Bulgarian Experienced Crackers
Posted - 2011.06.08 11:41:00 - [438]
 

Technically speaking Xbox 360 is not better console. Games developed for both PS3 & Xbox 360 have compromises and look / play worse than console-exclusive titles.

Anyway, you have to blame Microsoft for their stupid policies - they just don't like games that don't use M$ back-end infrastructure...

Originally by: Solomon XI
I could go into a vivid discussion on why this it's bull$hit that Dust 514 is going to be an exclusive Playstation game but I'm not going to because I'm absolutely certain it's too damn late for anything to change at this point.

Eve Online runs on a Microsoft backbone to begin with and the Xbox 360 has always been a better "FPS Shooter" platform than the PS3. All you have done is commit us loyal 360 fans to either not playing Dust 514 or spending an obscene amount of money on a new gaming console for a single game.

Why you choose exclusivity with Sony over Microsoft is beyond me. The 360 is a better console. Period.

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 11:48:00 - [439]
 

Hey folks.

A lot of you already know me from when I was solely focused on EVE Online, but some months back I began to shift focus to DUST 514, as the Community Manager for this upcoming game.

Lot of activity in here. I'll try to address the questions and concerns I'm able to here, but let's try to keep it civil.

I can fully appreciate some of the criticism and complaints I'm seeing in this and other threads. I do listen to all of it and, sure, I can relate to some of it. All of these concerns are and will continue to be relayed to those higher in the food chain, as we do on the EVE Community side of things.

I'll speak to what I'm able to here. I'm going to be direct here though - there are some topics I simply cannot discuss and I'm not going to beat around the bush with that -- I am not discussing anything regarding the Business Development side of things. From what I've seen in the EVE-O threads, that means I'm not able to explain contractual details, 'exclusivity', and things of this nature.

I'm not going to elaborate upon the specific game mechanics between EVE Online and DUST 514 that haven't been discussed yet. That's for Game Design and some of the senior people working on DUST 514 to do - and that's slated to happen over the course of the next year leading up to launch.

Incidentally, the official sources of information you can refer to about DUST 514 are:

The official DUST 514 website

And at the official website, I'd recommend you specifically read the dev blog by our Creative Director CCP Praetorian.


The dev blog from CEO of CCP Games Hilmar Petursson, which I should hope you've read anyway if you're in the comments here. But in case you were linked to this discussion thread from somewhere else, this is it.

My blog at PlayStation, which is an introduction for those not familiar with the EVE setting but perhaps has some useful information for EVE Online players as well.

So like I said, I'm going to jump in for a bit here.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.08 11:51:00 - [440]
 

Edited by: Blane Xero on 08/06/2011 11:52:19
Originally by: fantastic mr fox
The statement is not contradictory.
Yes it is.
Originally by: fantastic mr fox
Common sense for CCP is choosing a platform holder that will allow them to make the game they want to make, without concession.
And that would be the PC, which has none of the limitations of either the PS3 or the Xbox. Funny how that works eh?

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 11:51:00 - [441]
 

Originally by: Wind's Shadow
Edited by: Wind''s Shadow on 08/06/2011 11:20:11...

In one of the news releases you have stated that the game would either be on the Xbox or cross platformed. Being a loyal player, I have actually bought the damn Xbox just because the CCP said the game would be there.

Then you have sort of frozen the project and I thought "well, sooner or later they will make it, so I stick with the Xbox". Now it is a PS3 game. Cool. I have bought the damn Xbox for nothing.

Actually it was me and at least 3 of my friends who did it. Thanks again. Very MUCH.


Cite your source.

We have never stated this title would be coming to Xbox 360 in a DUST 514 press release.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.08 11:54:00 - [442]
 

CCP Shadow, In your opinion, not asking for iron facts just trying to get a feel of some idea of what is going on in the thinking process, what is the logic behind having no PC release?. I know about the whole "We don't want to compete with ourselfs" and similarly silly notions, but do you have a personal take on it?

Malcheus
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:08:00 - [443]
 

I don't have a PS3, so I won't play Dust. Subsequently I will not spend any isk whatsoever on planetary combat, nor will my dreadnought be sighted doing any orbital bombardments and whatnot (especially when there is a risk of some random PS3 player destroying it by winning a half-hour match). I will simply ignore dust alltogether. Too bad, I used to look forward to it.

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:09:00 - [444]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
CCP Shadow, In your opinion, not asking for iron facts just trying to get a feel of some idea of what is going on in the thinking process, what is the logic behind having no PC release?. I know about the whole "We don't want to compete with ourselfs" and similarly silly notions, but do you have a personal take on it?


Hi Blane. Been a while.

Alright. Well this is less of my personal take on things as it is the reasons, although this has already been stated in the past.

Our goal, stated on numerous occasions over the years, is to bring the EVE universe to a wider gaming audience through DUST 514 as a console title. A new platform. Shooters were the ideal way to do this while adding some diversity to how the EVE setting is experienced, rather than finding some way to put EVE Online on a console. Tbh, I have no idea how that would even work in the first place -- not impossible, but certainly very difficult.

So, as an EVE Online player, playing on PC or Mac, some view DUST 514 on console rather than PC as some peculiar lack of focus, etc.

What is being ignored with that criticism is that key thing we've stated time and time again -- we're reaching out to new players, expanding the playerbase actively involved in the EVE universe. Just as we've said all along. On console, as we've said all along. So I'm not sure why this comes as such a surprise to some commenters so far.

PC vs. console, PC vs. Mac, PS3 vs. 360, vanilla vs. chocolate, cats vs. dogs, pirates vs. ninjas. There's no way any single group of people can be expected to see eye to eye about all things. Please note that I'm not making light of these concerns at all - we are paying attention to this- but just stating the reality. Everyone has their preferred platform, everyone has their own preferences.

Some may disagree with CCP's decision, and that is duly noted. That is and will continue to be conveyed to those higher up in the company than me. That's part of my job as Community Manager for DUST 514. I'm not going to stop keeping my finger on the pulse of what people are discussing about DUST 514 (and its connections to EVE Online). I'm not going to stop informing my bosses of what matters to you.

Those who are unhappy about DUST 514 not being on the PC platform may take little comfort from this, but I want you to know this, regardless.

fantastic mr fox
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:10:00 - [445]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Edited by: Blane Xero on 08/06/2011 11:52:19
Originally by: fantastic mr fox
The statement is not contradictory.
Yes it is.
Originally by: fantastic mr fox
Common sense for CCP is choosing a platform holder that will allow them to make the game they want to make, without concession.
And that would be the PC, which has none of the limitations of either the PS3 or the Xbox. Funny how that works eh?


It's not, but let's digress. Regarding PC, they made it quite clear that they wanted to break into the console demographic - they've chosen the one that will best serve the game and the players. I really do understand why people are disappointed, but nobody should forget that this is their business, their decisions to make and they've managed to keep an MMO flourishing after 8 years, so they're not dumb.

Making games isn't easy, I wish there was a simple way of getting people to understand that but there isn't: people see the end product and think it just appears by magic. Well it doesn't; it's a lot of hard work, and sadly it's a lot of politics too.

It's their call and they made it. Nothing to gain by crying foul because they didn't make the game for platform X.

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:14:00 - [446]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
...
I want to know if the 4 races weapon types and tech would be making an appearance.


Did you see this?
I wouldn't count on seeing anything from the Jovian Directorate though.

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:20:00 - [447]
 

Originally by: Benilopax
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: REGIS_MARK_V

One more question. When will Dust514.com forums go live?


CCP Shadow:

That will tie in with EVE Gate, but I canít provide an ETA on this yet.


My question: What are you doing up at this time of night? Unless you are in Atlanta, or Shanghai...


Hi. I used to listen to your podcast way back when. And I was never even into Industry. Smile

I live in Shanghai. Will be here for quite a while to come. But I also work some crazy hours anyway.


CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:24:00 - [448]
 

Originally by: Ophelia Crotchmore

... To more important issues:
Will Dust support Keyboard/Mouse on PS3?


As of when I last inquired about this, the answer was that this is not planned.

Malcheus
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:26:00 - [449]
 

oh yeah, one thing; will EVE and DUST514 account/subscription/credit card data be on the same server?

CCP Shadow


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:27:00 - [450]
 

Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Also, to what extent will the PlayStation Vita's role play in all of this?


We're not ready to discuss PS Vita or what will be possible through PlayStation Home yet. Sorry.


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