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TheSpyInCorp
Posted - 2011.06.07 21:03:00 - [391]
 

Originally by: Xtrah
DUST 514 as a Playstation 3 exclusive. Wow. The reason I started playing EVE in the first place was because of DUST 514 coming to Xbox 360 and PS3 as a First Person Shooter alternative to playing the real game. Now that it's only coming to PS3, I'm really disappointed, and my motivation to continue playing EVE dropped.

DUST 514 was something I was looking forward to. I wonder how many players you'll lose for this. Or in other words, how much money that could've been made out of this lost by making it an exclusive game for PS3 - which is in my oppinion, the worst decision you've ever made.


if you weren't playing eve for eve then that's your own fault
HTFU

Tirelion
Posted - 2011.06.07 21:14:00 - [392]
 

Edited by: Tirelion on 07/06/2011 21:15:08
I have no words to express the dissapointment I feel that Dust has been moved to the PS3.

I have been looking forward to and anticipating the launch of Dust for quite some time. I have a number of friends that I had whipped into a frenzy over the very idea of what Dust is supposed to be, they(and myself) are all XBOX 360 owners/users. The xbox (as it has been said) is a superior FPS platform. You have alienated a core group of players who have been anticipating and waiting for Dust's release for some time. It is a sorry state that you (CCP) felt the need to sell out to Sony on this.

You will find it to be a major mistake as the PS3 is already close to a defunct system, whose FPS following is not as large as the Xbox's. Maybe the worst part is that I feel like I have been lied to and hyped up for something that I will never get the chance to play or use. I will not ever buy a playstation console for anygame and certainly not this one, not after having been lied to about it for so long.

I have been a supporter of CCP among friends and other EvE players who constantly want to bash your decisions, but this time you really are wrong. My faith in you (CCP) has been shaken, and it has made me angry enough to doubt my possible future playing EvE.

You really screwed up this time.

The PS3 is not going to be the platform for Dust that you want it to be. It saddens me to know that Dust was killed before it was ever even launched.

McChib Ye
Posted - 2011.06.07 21:27:00 - [393]
 

\o/....

Maybe the reasoning behind this move by CCP is prevalant in this thread.....whinging ****box owners who donbt get their own way throw toy out of pram and spam threads.....

Regat Kozovv
Caldari
Alcothology
Posted - 2011.06.07 21:37:00 - [394]
 

The PS3 exclusivity was probably not planned.

CCP kinda got ahead of themselves when they promised a tie-in with the MMO. Only, when they pitched the idea to Microsoft, they got told that it wasn't possible, because Microsoft does not allow any outside communication with Xbox Live. Kinda slams the door on that.

Not to mention, Microsoft already has a slew of space shooters on the Xbox like Gears of War, ahem, Halo. =)

PS3 exclusivity gives some benefits in terms of development support from Sony. I would not be surprised to see if it releases for PC in a year though.

Regardless though, I have a feeling this is going to be a flop. Dust's "compelling feature" is that the battles will mean something, but unless you play the MMO as well, I don't see how they will. Limiting the game to PS3 only is going to cut down on the potential interested player base even more. The game might make up it's development costs in the first few weeks of sales, but I can't envision a whole ton of gain from micro-transactions and MMO subscription conversions with such a small player base. That, and EVE Online isn't going to be terribly fun to the console market (hell, it isn't terribly fun to much of the PC market.)

I think they'll be happy to get this one out the door and onto other things.

What comes next, we'll have to see. I think like EVE, CCP's developers have been more focused on making games that are "different" and in the process, lost sight of what makes games "fun". Hopefully this experience will bring that to light.

Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.07 22:02:00 - [395]
 

Originally by: Tirelion
Edited by: Tirelion on 07/06/2011 21:15:08
I have no words to express the dissapointment I feel that Dust has been moved to the PS3.

I have been looking forward to and anticipating the launch of Dust for quite some time. I have a number of friends that I had whipped into a frenzy over the very idea of what Dust is supposed to be, they(and myself) are all XBOX 360 owners/users. The xbox (as it has been said) is a superior FPS platform. You have alienated a core group of players who have been anticipating and waiting for Dust's release for some time. It is a sorry state that you (CCP) felt the need to sell out to Sony on this.

You will find it to be a major mistake as the PS3 is already close to a defunct system, whose FPS following is not as large as the Xbox's. Maybe the worst part is that I feel like I have been lied to and hyped up for something that I will never get the chance to play or use. I will not ever buy a playstation console for anygame and certainly not this one, not after having been lied to about it for so long.

I have been a supporter of CCP among friends and other EvE players who constantly want to bash your decisions, but this time you really are wrong. My faith in you (CCP) has been shaken, and it has made me angry enough to doubt my possible future playing EvE.

You really screwed up this time.

The PS3 is not going to be the platform for Dust that you want it to be. It saddens me to know that Dust was killed before it was ever even launched.


If you spent 5 minutes browsing the forums, instead of vomitting your uninformed opinion onto them you would find multiple reasons why this is 99% likely microsofts fault, and not CCP's. Don't be a ****.

General Paul
Atomic Heroes
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2011.06.07 22:20:00 - [396]
 

Can anyone explain to me why it isn't also available on pc though?

I mean all eve players own a pc, all eve players should want to dabble in Dust.. it just seems to make sense to me.

Also I don't have a ps3, do have an xbox but my xbox isn't on live so that part of the debate isn't so important to me, but PC ? no ? really?

Kasidis
Gallente
Nexus.6
Posted - 2011.06.07 22:21:00 - [397]
 

The ignorance is strong in this thread. I don't see why people can't understand the fact that 2 years ago, CCP said it wouldn't be for PC. Xbox live can't support this anyway so why would they waste the time. HTFU

The Fu
Posted - 2011.06.07 22:49:00 - [398]
 

Edited by: The Fu on 07/06/2011 22:50:37
So to everyone who claims that the xbox cant do multiplatform because of microsoft wont let it or whatever. I submit this. Multiplatform Shooter MMO
Seems the xbox can play nice with ps3 and pc all at the same time.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.07 22:57:00 - [399]
 

Originally by: The Fu
So to everyone who claims that the xbox cant do multiplatform because of microsoft wont let it or whatever. I submit this. Multiplatform Shooter MMO
Seems the xbox can play nice with ps3 and pc all at the same time.

Doesn't say anything about the game being released with that ability, and no mention of getting any special dispensation from MS so likely it's just a tech demo.

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.06.07 23:04:00 - [400]
 

Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:05:06
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:04:21
Originally by: The Fu
Edited by: The Fu on 07/06/2011 22:50:37
So to everyone who claims that the xbox cant do multiplatform because of microsoft wont let it or whatever. I submit this. Multiplatform Shooter MMO
Seems the xbox can play nice with ps3 and pc all at the same time.

Multi-platform is not the issue here. The issue is the EVE-DUST link. The Xbox Live platform simply does not possess the freedom for that kind of connectivity.

Do you guys even read the posts in this thread? This argument has been addressed several times. Being a mod here must be a nightmare if all you guys do is whine.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.07 23:16:00 - [401]
 

Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 07/06/2011 23:17:41
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist

CCP Shadow:
No, it wonít be possible to "buy a win". The first DUST 514 dev blog from our Creative Director CCP Praetorian addresses this in greater detail than Iím able to here:
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/article/1980/beginnings



Here's the quote from that link,

"DUST 514 will, as EVE Online does, have a dynamic virtual economy and market that offers the tools that will give you a competitive edge, when used skillfully. Players are able to purchase different gear to equip before deploying into battle, using InterStellar Kredits (ISK), the in-game earned currency of the EVE universe, or through real money currency, called Aurum (AUR). This provides players with flexibility and adaptability in how they approach a combat scenario. Certain items are only available through ISK transactions, while others are only available through AUR. These are then traded freely on a player-driven secondary marketplace."

"Of course, your rivals will aim to do the same, fueling a perpetual arms race between merc outfits, with an expanding range of options available in lockstep with your character's progression. Each side of a given conflict will create character armor and vehicle loadouts with a mix of raw killing power, physical augmentations, and sophisticated electronics. Those choices will factor into your strategy for defeating your opposition."

There is nothing clear there about "buying a win", in fact what I read is, you will need to buy not loosing. The counter argument to the concern about buying a win will be "But with you can buy it with ISK you earn!" So I can buy a Tech4 ship-o-death with PLEX and that's cool with everyone, so long as you can buy one on the market with ISK?

This is a three day old fish.

Aethan Epple
Posted - 2011.06.07 23:24:00 - [402]
 

Hi folks.

A problem I have in EVE is that I don't have the skillpoints or the equipment to match up against some of the more advanced players, who have fitted their ships out to the extreme and have 10mil SP's to boost shields, increase targeting, and blow me the hell up.

DUST 514 is something I have anticipated forever. I watched the E3 show from Sony on the edge of my seat.

I am concerned, though, about this "free-to-download" and AURA scheme. It seems like an easy way to weigh the game in the direction of certain players so that I, despite playing an FPS, get schooled by folks who "got the mad lootz".

I don't mind getting my ass handed to me by somebody who did a better job than I in an FPS. But my entire casual-gamer team grabbing their ankles because they didn't fork over 20b ISK for an entire squad to have HARRY POTTER'S CRAZY AMARRIAN BOOMSTICK and Adamantium Wetsuits concerns me.

Can we have assurances that twitch gaming and minimal investment will keep players as competitive as those who pawn their family's jewel sacks?

Fiona Marquise
Posted - 2011.06.07 23:26:00 - [403]
 

Wow Thanks for back stabbing us CCP, you freaking fail, i will not buy a stupid PS3 just to play dust 514, sheesh after all our loyalty you stab us in the back again, you deny us the PC dust and now you rip off the Xbox 360 players too? Dust 514 will burn for that move.

Fiona Marquise
Posted - 2011.06.07 23:29:00 - [404]
 

Edited by: Fiona Marquise on 07/06/2011 23:29:21
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:05:06
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:04:21
Originally by: The Fu
Edited by: The Fu on 07/06/2011 22:50:37
So to everyone who claims that the xbox cant do multiplatform because of microsoft wont let it or whatever. I submit this. Multiplatform Shooter MMO
Seems the xbox can play nice with ps3 and pc all at the same time.

Multi-platform is not the issue here. The issue is the EVE-DUST link. The Xbox Live platform simply does not possess the freedom for that kind of connectivity.

Do you guys even read the posts in this thread? This argument has been addressed several times. Being a mod here must be a nightmare if all you guys do is whine.


Brilliant, lets all go trust a company that has lost over 100 million users personal credit card information, SEVERAL TIMES, thats such a brilliant and intelligent move, its like shoving your hand in the garbage disposal and turning it on to see if it is working yet.

Varralee
Posted - 2011.06.07 23:37:00 - [405]
 

FPS on a console is fairly serious fail. Bad move.

Blue Click
Posted - 2011.06.07 23:42:00 - [406]
 

This is pretty dumb, I own both a ps3 and a 360 and way more people play xbl then PSN. MY guess is ccp is scared to compete with juggernauts like the halo and gears series's so the game must not be worth purchasing.

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.06.07 23:43:00 - [407]
 

Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:43:41
Originally by: Fiona Marquise
Brilliant, lets all go trust a company that has lost over 100 million users personal credit card information, SEVERAL TIMES, thats such a brilliant and intelligent move, its like shoving your hand in the garbage disposal and turning it on to see if it is working yet.

Please mark where I stated where you should place your trust. Are you delusional, or something? Did you even read my post?

Sure, Sony had shoddy security on numerous fronts, but do you honestly expect such a thing to happen again? The PlayStation Network was hacked ONCE, and Sony has since then beefed up its security appropriately. Any other hacks have been unrelated to the PlayStation Network.

Fiona Marquise
Posted - 2011.06.07 23:50:00 - [408]
 

Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:43:41
Originally by: Fiona Marquise
Brilliant, lets all go trust a company that has lost over 100 million users personal credit card information, SEVERAL TIMES, thats such a brilliant and intelligent move, its like shoving your hand in the garbage disposal and turning it on to see if it is working yet.

Please mark where I stated where you should place your trust. Are you delusional, or something? Did you even read my post?

Sure, Sony had shoddy security on numerous fronts, but do you honestly expect such a thing to happen again? The PlayStation Network was hacked ONCE, and Sony has since then beefed up its security appropriately. Any other hacks have been unrelated to the PlayStation Network.


There is easily the ability to work out any kinks with the Xbox networks a much large and more active network mind you with butter support and security, the question i shoot back at you, is do you really think sony will spend all that money to beef up security since they didnt in the first place? i think you are the Delusional one, you supporting the choice that makes the least sense, if anything the only sound option was trust their roots and stick to pc.

Jaror
Caldari
Interfector INC.
Fade 2 Black
Posted - 2011.06.08 00:08:00 - [409]
 

O my God - why would you choice sony for a online game they cant even run there current servers . guess you dont want my buisness cause i wont play on one - tempted to close my accounts on eve - only been on waiting for dust to hit for my xbox 360 - now i dont have much point to keep playing this game - way to go...

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.06.08 00:14:00 - [410]
 

Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 00:16:55
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 00:16:11
Originally by: Fiona Marquise
There is easily the ability to work out any kinks with the Xbox networks a much large and more active network mind you with butter support and security,

Microsoft isn't going to overhaul their service for one game. Better support? Exactly what are you indicating here? If you're talking about developer support to the extent that CCP requires for Dust 514, then you're obviously in the wrong here, because if that was the case, this game would also be releasing for the Xbox 360.

Quote:
the question i shoot back at you, is do you really think sony will spend all that money to beef up security since they didnt in the first place? i think you are the Delusional one, you supporting the choice that makes the least sense, if anything the only sound option was trust their roots and stick to pc.

Uhh yes? You do realize that security is a huge component of Sony's success in both their consumer and personal image, right? Abstaining from establishing proper security would be suicidal for the company. Did you see all of the bad press that was presented when the PlayStation Network was hacked? Do you realize what that information means to shareholders and any sort of future business the company could hope for? Even if you do use the PlayStation Network, you aren't obligated to give them personal financial information. There are pre-paid cards which allow users to allocate funds to their PSN wallet without divulging any critical details.

The Fu
Posted - 2011.06.08 01:23:00 - [411]
 

Edited by: The Fu on 08/06/2011 01:28:11
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: The Fu
So to everyone who claims that the xbox cant do multiplatform because of microsoft wont let it or whatever. I submit this. Multiplatform Shooter MMO
Seems the xbox can play nice with ps3 and pc all at the same time.

Doesn't say anything about the game being released with that ability, and no mention of getting any special dispensation from MS so likely it's just a tech demo.


Umm exactly. The tech exists and therefore people can stop excusing ccp on the grounds that it wouldn't work on the 360. I would prefer it on the PC anyway so I could EVE it up and DUST it up at the same time.


Originally by: Oberine NoriepaEdited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:05:06
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:04:21

Originally by: The FuEdited by: The Fu on 07/06/2011 22:50:37
So to everyone who claims that the xbox cant do multiplatform because of microsoft wont let it or whatever. I submit this. Multiplatform Shooter MMO
Seems the xbox can play nice with ps3 and pc all at the same time.


Multi-platform is not the issue here. The issue is the EVE-DUST link. The Xbox Live platform simply does not possess the freedom for that kind of connectivity.

Do you guys even read the posts in this thread? This argument has been addressed several times. Being a mod here must be a nightmare if all you guys do is whine.



In what way is multi-platform not the issue? I dont care if it runs on xbox or not I would prefer it on the PC so yeah multi-platform is the issue for me. My only issue is that it is not multi-platform. And please dont bother telling me that they said console only years ago as I dont care about that.

The Fu
Posted - 2011.06.08 01:27:00 - [412]
 

Edited by: The Fu on 08/06/2011 01:30:17


Gevlin
Minmatar
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
Posted - 2011.06.08 01:36:00 - [413]
 

Security!

Due to the fact Sony was hack means it will now have the most secure network out there since they have to prove they are secure to all the tinfoil hats out there.... Though it is a mute point since the personal information held by Dust 514 is not held by Sony.


Beside what about the WII!
Why can't it come out for the WII! I own a WII.
It has Network integration, motion control all that stuff down pat!!
The Graphics may not be that wonderful. but I want game play not shinny bald heads.

Trolling aside.
I look forward to Dust 514 and will have to pick up a PS3 to play it. It will be nice to be able to pick up a quick game, here and there. Sadly I find the PVP in Eve .... sorta sparatic, but that is in eves design. I prefer to do carebear stuff in Null sec, I want to mine, Just jump to a system in my Rorqual, launch hulk and mine. I feel there is progress there.
With Dust 514 - I will be able to do some pew pew, then return to mining. And if I have a scout I might be able to mine Ice and play Dust 514, only pausing in between Ice cycles. For those who are on my team in 514, I appologize in advance as I may go silent all of a sudden as my scout tells me reds are approaching system.

I hope it becomes a solid success.

I also need to appologise for my horrible spelling.

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.06.08 01:36:00 - [414]
 

Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 01:41:07
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 01:39:05
Originally by: The Fu
In what way is multi-platform not the issue? I dont care if it runs on xbox or not I would prefer it on the PC so yeah multi-platform is the issue for me. My only issue is that it is not multi-platform. And please dont bother telling me that they said console only years ago as I dont care about that.

In the post you quoted, I'm addressing why the game isn't on the Xbox 360. Lack of multi-platform presence obviously is an issue with me as well, because I would very much like a PC version in addition to a PS3 version. The more people who are able to play this game, the better.
Originally by: Gevlin
Beside what about the WII!
Why can't it come out for the WII! I own a WII.
It has Network integration, motion control all that stuff down pat!!
The Graphics may not be that wonderful. but I want game play not shinny bald heads.


The Wii is irrelevant now that the Wii U has been announced. The Wii U could easily handle Dust 514, and since Nintendo is embracing an open network much akin to the PlayStation Network, it should be a no brainer for CCP to at least check the system out. The controller also has external functions that could replicate the PlayStation Vita functions that CCP plans on using for Dust 514.

McChib Ye
Posted - 2011.06.08 01:53:00 - [415]
 

As i said before,the main reason i can see for them to decide on the PS3,is they had seen this thread happening before E3 came around.

Lots of pi$$box owners up in arms cos they have hacked their way through GOW2,Halo (and all its blizzard-esq sequels) and are now getting sand kicked in their faces because there is no failbox version.

UNLUCKY....

And to the people mentioning the recent security issue with PSN, it happened once,unlike XBL.....How does that old saying go..
Hack me once shame on you,
Hack me lots and ill keep coming back for more cos its daddies CC details and a gmail account i cant use.

Kamila Zanjoahir
Posted - 2011.06.08 02:28:00 - [416]
 

I had Dust 514 on top of my wishlist until this morning. I only have an Xbox360. I can understand the the issues with making it not on the XBOX. I guess I saved myself $60 in a way.

There is always EVE. Laughing

Ilene D'over
Tax Free Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.08 03:11:00 - [417]
 

Damn, the shear ****headedness of the XBox fanniboys is staggering.

Why can't you winkies get it through your empty skulls that Macro$lut does not allow connections between their closed network and servers not controlled by them. Blame M$, not CCP.

M$ are the evil empire trying to control everything they can. Look how they refuse to face reality and provide support for Blue Ray on the XBox. That way you have to pay through the nose to buy the movie through M$ at jacked up prices (probably close to the cost of buying it in disk form)

I am considering buying a second hand PS3 for this and would be using a keyboard and mouse, not the controller, to play the game, something that I understand is easier to do on a PS3 than an XBox.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.06.08 04:04:00 - [418]
 

Originally by: Sister Megarea
*snip*
Here are a few points, without the rage:

  1. Eve customers have been extremely loyal: Adding an expansion to the universe and completely locking them out is disrespectful at best and economically limiting at worst

  2. FPS games on consoles are notoriously child-like. Auto aim being but one of the diaper-changing concepts

  3. Console games are notoriously short-lived. With very, very few exceptions, few stay popular more than a few months

  4. Eve is a massive universe, with enormous possibilities. Expanding the playerbase for Eve ? A Good Thing. Limiting that expansion to an infinitesimally small portion of the consumer market ? Short sighted - and that's being polite.

  5. Sony is one of the most insecure gaming networks around. You say you "were only aware of the hack" a few days ago: Are you also aware that this was the third hack in six weeks ? It has literally been across the national IT media for ages. You may want to add www.arstechnica.com to your bookmark list.

  6. Keeping it as a PS3 (or console general) exclusive for a limited time would absolutely make economic sense - We would then buy CCPs argument that they want to expand the playerbase and most of us would happily wait a year while they built up the console playerbase before letting us in to show them how it's done: Making it PS3 exclusive for all time is simply short, short sighted.

  7. That being said: CCP will see, within a year, the utter silliness not only of going console only, but specifically PS3 only: I think we'll see a PC port sometime after that after the expectations are so catastrophically under-met, but you'll have a lot of players who won't buy it on principle.

*snap*

  1. CCP doesn't want Eve players playing this new approach at New Eden, they want a different clientele, ie consoles
  2. So what? Eve Online has no aiming at all you baby
  3. That is the thing CCP is trying to change here. Give em some slag, Sister Doomsday
  4. There are millions playing FPS on consoles.. if just 1-2% of those on PS3's will keep playing dust it is successful
  5. The deal with Sony has been made way before that sunshine. And it's not CCPs fault that MS sucks and doesn't give CCP the freedom they need to bring us the Dust that New Eden warants
  6. If the thing fails on PS3 you probably might get your shot at it. If there (fingers crossed) will be 50-100k regular players you're shafted
  7. I hope the PS4 makes it till then and I'm in.

Sister Megarea
Sisters of Agony
Posted - 2011.06.08 04:06:00 - [419]
 

Originally by: Oberine Noriepa

Sure, Sony had shoddy security on numerous fronts, but do you honestly expect such a thing to happen again? The PlayStation Network was hacked ONCE, and Sony has since then beefed up its security appropriately. Any other hacks have been unrelated to the PlayStation Network.


PlayStation Network hacked, data stolen: how badly is Sony hurt?

Sony PSN hacked - CC info, customer info, PSN account info stolen.

Related:
Sony admits utter PSN failure: your personal data has been stolen

Sony hacked again, used to host phishing site

European Sony web server hacked, used for phishing site

Sony hacked yet again, plaintext passwords, e-mails, DOB posted

"Databases used to operate sonypictures.com, sonybmg.nl, and sonybmg.be have been compromised"

And you call this "beefing up security" ?

And CCP wants to tie its name to a company humiliatingly compromised thrice in five weeks ?

JBrace2
Posted - 2011.06.08 04:35:00 - [420]
 

If you want to make a change, start a petition. Hopefully, with enough signatures, CCP will realize how much money there is to be made by porting to Xbox360 as well.

http://www.change.org/petitions/make-dust514-for-xbox360


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