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SeniraSource
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:39:00 - [361]
 

you got a big problem here.... dust will be followed for maybe 24 months MAX on ps3, then it will die like all other console games they fail to keep popularity for long periods, even the COD series has to release a new one every year to keep ppl interested, therefore, in 24 months, dust will be dead, so will all the aspects of eve that rely on it.

they NEED this on pc, then the eve players can fight there wars is dust to kill time when nothings going on, cos lets be honest, 90% of the time EVE is a boring game, but that 10% its not is beyond any other game.

Capt Lynch
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:40:00 - [362]
 

Edited by: Capt Lynch on 07/06/2011 16:45:55
I have to agree with everyone saying how PS3 exclusive is bad. CCP has not only countermanded their 'we want to send this to the most people' arguement by putting it on the console with the smallest shooter community, but they are also making sure the game (DUST...not EVE) will not get any more players.

If the hack attacks had not happened, them maybe they would have gotten new players as people who had followed the game had brought PS3's to get in on the fun...but now...there is not a chance of that happening at all. Nobody in their right mind will buy a PS3 now unless it is PROVEN that Sony have brought their security up to spec. It doesn't matter that CCP won't share info with the PSN servers...the people playing will need PSN accounts to play...and as such their details will still be at risk.

With the current state of Sony and the fact that quite a few upset customers left PSN, there is no way that DUST will bring a profit back, dooming it pretty fast. To make matters worse, the fact that DUST battles will account for sovereigncy combat on planets will endanger EVE Online itself, for once DUST flops, sovereigncy battles will be unable to be finished.

When DUST is in danger, CCP wil HAVE to go to PC or multiplatform to keep it running or risk endangering both DUST and EVE at the same time.


fantastic mr fox
Posted - 2011.06.07 17:06:00 - [363]
 

Can I play my World of Darkness character in Dust514?

Mr Cleann
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.07 17:08:00 - [364]
 

Thats too bad CCP is going to limit themselves like that. In this economy, I have absolutely zero intentions on buy a new platform just to play the ground version of EVE. Every company has the right to shoot themselves in the profit margin. Neutral

Olivor
Posted - 2011.06.07 17:12:00 - [365]
 

Was going to care

Then saw PS3 exclusive.

Way to go picking worst possible release choice.

Mr Cleann
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.07 17:12:00 - [366]
 

Edited by: Mr Cleann on 07/06/2011 17:14:10
Originally by: SeniraSource
you got a big problem here.... dust will be followed for maybe 24 months MAX on ps3, then it will die like all other console games they fail to keep popularity for long periods, even the COD series has to release a new one every year to keep ppl interested, therefore, in 24 months, dust will be dead, so will all the aspects of eve that rely on it.

they NEED this on pc, then the eve players can fight there wars is dust to kill time when nothings going on, cos lets be honest, 90% of the time EVE is a boring game, but that 10% its not is beyond any other game.



Strongly agreed. With the economy the way it is I have zero desire to buy a new platform just to play dust. Yeah, true it can be used for other things like other games and DVDs etc. Since I started playing eve about 6 years ago. You can count the number of games I bought on 2 fingers. I have a DVD player. So what do you think the odds are that I am going to rush out to buy another platform. I'll wait until it eventually comes to PC. If' it don't oh well wont bother me any.

fantastic mr fox
Posted - 2011.06.07 17:13:00 - [367]
 

FWIW, Microsoft are complete tossers when it comes to networking, they won't let anyone breath. You won't see an MMO like Dust on Xbox.

I'd reckon the first steps with Sony were nothing to do with renumeration but rather simple practicalities. Sony are a lot more open minded and willing to work with people. They're a complete pain in the ass sometimes, but they're much more game than MS.

That might change now they've had a few network-related shocks, but at least CCP have their foot in the door now.

Wolf Spyder
Posted - 2011.06.07 17:29:00 - [368]
 

Why is CCP ignoring the other platforms? Limiting DUST to only one platform could wind up hurting CCP or at least cutting their profit down a bit. Every company is allowed to cut their own foot off if they want. I'll still be playing EVE. Let us know when CCP makes DUST universal. I haven't played a good 1st person shooter in a good long time. Now that I am finally off satellite I want to get back in to it. Unfortunately I do not have any plans on buying a new console anytime son. Especially with the economy the way it is.

Kile Kitmoore
Posted - 2011.06.07 17:29:00 - [369]
 

Edited by: Kile Kitmoore on 07/06/2011 17:32:03
Tying all your hope and dreams for Dust to the PS3 seems to be a bit short sighted. I am sure you guys are high-fiving and slapping each other on your backsides about your future success with Dust. I can only hope there is at least one person in your organization that is painting some "what if" scenarios. Like what if it does not sell as well you hoped, what if PS3 is in a real decline by summer of 2012, what if after 90 days after release no one is playing Dust anymore. If any of these scenarios come to fruition I can absently guarantee your loyal PC base is going to be back here in droves rubbing your face in it.

If this was your idea for thanking your EVE Online community, this was not it. "Thanks everyone for getting us this far, thus an entirely different group of people will reap those rewards". Call me crazy but I doubt your announcement will instill much loyalty with your existing customer base.

Why can't a PS3 and a PC version coexist? There is no way to separate matches between PS3 and PC users? Giving the PC users the shaft, was this simply a development cost that you did not want to incur? The whole thing does not make a lot of sense, but then again neither did the quality level of your 1.6 Incursion patch.

Good luck, it will be interesting to see how this turns out for you.

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2011.06.07 17:30:00 - [370]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Thanks Kyuss. And our goal is really to extend the EVE universe to a whole new group of gamers, and of course we’re hoping a great number of EVE Online players also get in on the action in DUST 514.

So, are you releasing DUST on PC soon(tm)?
Else I can't see how you can raise such hopes?

Also, DUST514 website is not working, only repeatedly asking me for my age.
I don't know, what you mean by that, I don't leave my personal information on every first website I visit. Any of it, no matter the meaning.
If you don't want visitors, just say so.

Caiman Graystock
Caldari
Cornelius Starship and Computer Design
Posted - 2011.06.07 17:30:00 - [371]
 

Never going to buy a PS3 after Sony have repeatedly proven they are incapable of managing their networks. No PC, no XBOX? What are you thinking?

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2011.06.07 17:41:00 - [372]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 07/06/2011 17:46:43
Summing up the information in that blog:
"Dust 514 will be released more than a year from now on PS3 only..."

That's using a lot of words to say so little...

Armadous Resurrected
Posted - 2011.06.07 17:50:00 - [373]
 

PS3 exclusive is disheartening indeed. Dust is no longer a accessible product to me.

Dust is of course still an exciting development with regards to incorporating PI more fundamentally with core EVE gameplay, not to mention the future implications involving Incarna features.

I however find I cannot mask my feelings of hurt and I admit, some anger. Having been denied access so abruptly to something I was wholly invested in is a hard pill to swallow.

I do hope CCP will take the time to address their reasons in this decision.

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.07 17:53:00 - [374]
 

Originally by: Kile Kitmoore
Edited by: Kile Kitmoore on 07/06/2011 17:32:03
Tying all your hope and dreams for Dust to the PS3 seems to be a bit short sighted. I am sure you guys are high-fiving and slapping each other on your backsides about your future success with Dust. I can only hope there is at least one person in your organization that is painting some "what if" scenarios. Like what if it does not sell as well you hoped, what if PS3 is in a real decline by summer of 2012, what if after 90 days after release no one is playing Dust anymore. If any of these scenarios come to fruition I can absently guarantee your loyal PC base is going to be back here in droves rubbing your face in it.

If this was your idea for thanking your EVE Online community, this was not it. "Thanks everyone for getting us this far, thus an entirely different group of people will reap those rewards". Call me crazy but I doubt your announcement will instill much loyalty with your existing customer base.

Why can't a PS3 and a PC version coexist? There is no way to separate matches between PS3 and PC users? Giving the PC users the shaft, was this simply a development cost that you did not want to incur? The whole thing does not make a lot of sense, but then again neither did the quality level of your 1.6 Incursion patch.

Good luck, it will be interesting to see how this turns out for you.

Well said.

I do not buy EVE-related stuff such as ship models, t-shirts, etc. But I would have seriously considered putting money into a PC-based FPS game.

PS3 console hardware purchase? Not gonna happen.

Yes, I understand the potential financial gain associated with a console title that was developed with relatively cheap Asian labor and which incorporates micro-transactions. That still doesn't make my personal desire to purchase and play an EVE-related FPS on the PC go away.

Abulurd Boniface
Gallente
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.06.07 17:55:00 - [375]
 

Much though I look forward to the deep immersion this expansion is going to offer I cannot help but wonder how two cultures: MMOG gamers and console gamers are going to merge successfully. Are we going to teach them what it feels like to be in EVE? Will they accept that their inventory can go 'poof' without them getting it back? Is CCP not thinking too highly of console gamers?

It's being made so I'm thinking: they figured it all out but I have serious questions for what will happen when the nicer folk among you get your claws into their soft, supple flesh and rip their ambitions together with their egos apart.

The fundamental difference is: they want to shoot people and dominate, we really only want their tears.

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2011.06.07 18:06:00 - [376]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Gereon Valk
Can't even get past the "Age Verification" on the Dust514 site. Site only working from a PS3 browser, or how could you even "verify" anything? :P


Just type your age in the box and there you go.



Doesn't work, it reset back to the same "age verification" page.

Sciencegeek deathdealer
Posted - 2011.06.07 18:19:00 - [377]
 

CCP just lost any respect I had for them as a company by releasing it ps3 exclusive. Yet another feature I will never use. Good job with Incarna though!

Dante Collinus
Posted - 2011.06.07 18:19:00 - [378]
 

YAY DUST 514 ps3 exclusive? what the hell is that all about, did sony offer some cash to 'buy an exclusive' because of all the bad press they are getting? I was intending to pay good money to keep both eve and dust514 running but it looks like im now going to save alot of money....

EVOXSNES
Posted - 2011.06.07 18:19:00 - [379]
 

ohh this is epically ******ed

I've been looking forward to Dust514... i was instantly hooked at the scope of the concept art and finally the trailers...

I have a 360 i play sometimes which cost me around 400 and im not going to purchase another console which cost more, that i'll play less, with security issues on top of that.

Sooo... Screw Dust514... how about that CCP.

Becasue unless you give me a free PS3 with every copy of Dust i buy. Its back to the mining simulator for me!

Crom Delt
Posted - 2011.06.07 18:33:00 - [380]
 

I must say I am disappointed. I am NEVER going to buy a console of any type, and was hoping that Dust would be on a PC. As for going with just Sony ( whose history with MMOs is quite dire) only is just small sighted and limiting a huge customer base. Ijust hope when I hire a Merc group to defend my installations they will be there.

Infinion
Caldari
Awesome Corp
Posted - 2011.06.07 18:51:00 - [381]
 

How far will the out-of-pod experience go for pod pilots? Will the out-of-pod experience be designed solely for walking around in different environments or is there still some future possibility for combat and more aggressive activities? How about out-of-pod exploration? Will we one day be able to equip a space suit and enter space without the need for a pod or ship to explore asteroids, moons, destroyed stations, artifacts, etc?

How far will planetary interaction go and where is it going? Was the idea for atmospheric flight scrapped or do you have plans to revisit it?

fantastic mr fox
Posted - 2011.06.07 19:06:00 - [382]
 

Originally by: Wolf Spyder
Why is CCP ignoring the other platforms? Limiting DUST to only one platform could wind up hurting CCP or at least cutting their profit down a bit. Every company is allowed to cut their own foot off if they want. I'll still be playing EVE. Let us know when CCP makes DUST universal. I haven't played a good 1st person shooter in a good long time. Now that I am finally off satellite I want to get back in to it. Unfortunately I do not have any plans on buying a new console anytime son. Especially with the economy the way it is.


It's hard enough keeping one build up to date without worrying about two - and consoles are the worst because they have so little in common.

You have to take your pick. 360 or PS3. Not much of a choice really, when one is a walled garden, with spikes. Go search Blizzard's blogs on why they haven't bothered making a console MMO.

As for complaints that it's not on PC, CCP made it clear way back on day 1 that it was going to be a console title. Dust isn't aimed at Eve players - they want Eve players to play Eve, and FPS gamers to play Dust, and the two to form a larger picture.

End of the day, if they'd said it was an Xbox-only title then this forum would be full of PS3 grouches. Can't please everyone.

Gevlin
Minmatar
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
Posted - 2011.06.07 19:45:00 - [383]
 

Questions

Will there be a Drone commander – who plays with a top down view, controlling his multitude of drones in combat? Some being as simple as a camera drone.

Will there be an engineer type guy dropping off sentry cameras and drones for others hiding in a safe place can control.

Will the sky fire array be able to reach the moons? Would be nice to drop off some mercs or hide some merc on a planet till the lines of sovereignty change dramatically,(call them rebels) take over the sky fire station and start taking pot shots at the 64K POS.
Lieutenant Commander the rebels have taken over fire base #1
Commander: Crush those rebel scum!


Will the uniforms/armor be colourable?: Fighting black on black may be a challenge especially when Joe runs backwards though the entire fight to make it though the enemy lines.
Though the ability to color your armor instantly would be handy in infiltrating the enemy.


Will there be an opportunity for the pacifist suicidal Dust Player. - The guy who likes care bearing in a hostile environment?

  • Person is doing the task of ie: surveying a planet by hand to explore best location for installations – Placing a bonus to structure points of building built, or increase in resource collection.
    Only they risk being hot drop by two waring factions who will both think you are the enemy. (or you are working for one side) All you have to defend you self is a electronic Clipboard, Pen Knife and a Mini Electron hand pistol?
    This may sound stupid but there are plenty of people like my self who like being the Hare in the battle of Wolves. Sorta the reason I like Mining In Null sec.
    There could be also multiple things I should be able to collect from Dust 514 to be sold for isk in Incarna. Ie rare Flora and Fauna to be used in the construction of unique resources.

    I loved playing the role of support in Planet Side – Running in with the Mobile Spawning Generator, Installing Sensors, Spit Fire Turrets. Running around with my Repair Gun for Tanks and Repair Gun for Armour. Flying the Loadstar = the ship that allowed you to drop off ships in enemy territory and also turned into a mobile repair station. I hope there will be similar tasks. Not having to be in the line of fire, but skirting the edges of the fire line providing support.

    One of the things I guess I fell in love with eve was the fact I could do non- combat activities, like mining in combat areas. Activities that didn't provide an immediate effect on the battle but in the long run benefited my corp/Alliance in the long term war effort.




Will there be the opportunity to play the Hostage? If I escape my teams earns isk.

Can I make a duplicate persona of my eve character to be a Dust 514 character so I can role play getting out of the Pod and getting my fingernails dirty?




NeoNexus DeMortis
Posted - 2011.06.07 20:05:00 - [384]
 

I have to agree with the 100's of others, WTF are you thinking going PSN only? Not that the PS3 or PSN is terrible or blah blah blah, just that sticking to 1 console like this is a terrible move. The argument of "it's better to focus on one console style" is total @(*[email protected]#[email protected] You just alienated 1000's of potential players, and told them to go f' themselves.

I'd imagine there were plenty of other people like myself, that have friends with 360's, got their friends all hyped up to play in the same universe (since they don't much care for the style of EVE, but love games like Halo, they would have loved Dust), and now we have to tell them they have to yank a F*@(*# load of money out of their ass, to buy a new console to play the damn thing.... I'm sorry, but you are not expanding EVE to the level you think. The PSN exclusivity is going to bite you in the ass, mark my words.

Dimitri Fukoyama
Posted - 2011.06.07 20:10:00 - [385]
 

Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 07/06/2011 20:26:16

Originally by: fantastic mr fox

As for complaints that it's not on PC, CCP made it clear way back on day 1 that it was going to be a console title. Dust isn't aimed at Eve players - they want Eve players to play Eve, and FPS gamers to play Dust, and the two to form a larger picture.

End of the day, if they'd said it was an Xbox-only title then this forum would be full of PS3 grouches. Can't please everyone.


But here lies the problem: Eve is not fun all the time to most players.

So what to do when youre on a 10 day queue like i am? play another game.

What better way to spend time when youre not playing eve, running around on planets in the Eve universe? Now they force the eve community to either buy a PS3 (which i wont do) or not playing dust. It doesnt matter that they stated it will be console only from the start, because people still think its a bad decision. ADD console players dont have the kind of time investment to be put in a game like dust when the next COD is around the corner.

Also there is the fact that if a community deserves to be able to play eve planets, its the community that funded and paid CCPs salary through the years. Its not a question of entitlement, its a question of CCP must know that fighting it out on planets must have been on the dream list of many eve players and now they only get to do this if they fork out something like 500$ for a ps3 and a game. Its a slap in the face.

I would have understood a console-only game if it was a standalone EVE title. But to link both worlds, one with ADD console players and one with the more serious long term EVE world is a really bad idea i think. Well see, in the end, who was right.

Venix
An Eye For An Eye
AN EYE F0R AN EYE
Posted - 2011.06.07 20:18:00 - [386]
 

Way to go CCP!! Thanks for screwing all of the people who actually play console games out of your console game!

Needs to be xBox or who cares.

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.06.07 20:32:00 - [387]
 

Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 20:33:24
Originally by: Abulurd Boniface
The fundamental difference is: they want to shoot people and dominate, we really only want their tears.

Do we, though? It seems as though both parties have a lot to gain through cooperation. Dust mercenaries, if that trailer is any indication, will become valuable tools in territorial and naval warfare.

Originally by: Venix
Way to go CCP!! Thanks for screwing all of the people who actually play console games out of your console game!

Needs to be xBox or who cares.

You do realize this game could never exist on Xbox Live due to how closed the service is, correct?

AdZc
Caldari
Legio Prima Victrix
Imperius Legio Victrix
Posted - 2011.06.07 20:41:00 - [388]
 

I dont normally post on these sorta threads.....

I was looking forward to seeing how CCP would make this work (eveonline/dust games interlinking) i guess still interesting to see...but im severely disappointed in CCP here.

Was looking forward to buying Dust for the 360 but not a chance im buying the PS3/4 for the sake of one game....

Ive been playing for around 4 years, this is the first time CCP made me emorage....

fantastic mr fox
Posted - 2011.06.07 20:43:00 - [389]
 

Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 07/06/2011 20:26:16

Originally by: fantastic mr fox

As for complaints that it's not on PC, CCP made it clear way back on day 1 that it was going to be a console title. Dust isn't aimed at Eve players - they want Eve players to play Eve, and FPS gamers to play Dust, and the two to form a larger picture.

End of the day, if they'd said it was an Xbox-only title then this forum would be full of PS3 grouches. Can't please everyone.


But here lies the problem: Eve is not fun all the time to most players.

So what to do when youre on a 10 day queue like i am? play another game.

What better way to spend time when youre not playing eve, running around on planets in the Eve universe? Now they force the eve community to either buy a PS3 (which i wont do) or not playing dust. It doesnt matter that they stated it will be console only from the start, because people still think its a bad decision. ADD console players dont have the kind of time investment to be put in a game like dust when the next COD is around the corner.

Also there is the fact that if a community deserves to be able to play eve planets, its the community that funded and paid CCPs salary through the years. Its not a question of entitlement, its a question of CCP must know that fighting it out on planets must have been on the dream list of many eve players and now they only get to do this if they fork out something like 500$ for a ps3 and a game. Its a slap in the face.

I would have understood a console-only game if it was a standalone EVE title. But to link both worlds, one with ADD console players and one with the more serious long term EVE world is a really bad idea i think. Well see, in the end, who was right.


Yeah I hear where you're coming from. It's a bummer, but it's a done deal now - might as well rationalise it and stay sane :)

Personally I won't play it myself as I don't like console FPS games either (like you say, ADD...), but I can understand why they've done it. Tough call, and it might turn out to be a bad one -- consoles have a shelf life, as I'm sure plenty people have pointed out.

Probably would have been wiser to do a time limited exclusive, but hindsight's not usually very useful.

We'll still have World of Darkness. Dunno about you, but I fancy my break-from-Eve-time to be in another universe altogether..:)

Xtrah
universally challenged
Posted - 2011.06.07 20:44:00 - [390]
 

DUST 514 as a Playstation 3 exclusive. Wow. The reason I started playing EVE in the first place was because of DUST 514 coming to Xbox 360 and PS3 as a First Person Shooter alternative to playing the real game. Now that it's only coming to PS3, I'm really disappointed, and my motivation to continue playing EVE dropped.

DUST 514 was something I was looking forward to. I wonder how many players you'll lose for this. Or in other words, how much money that could've been made out of this lost by making it an exclusive game for PS3 - which is in my oppinion, the worst decision you've ever made.


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