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Ogogov
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:56:00 - [331]
 

In almost all cases games that are launched as an "exclusive" to any one platform are very often ported to another platform some months after the initial launch date. This is because ignoring a large untapped market often proves irresistible.

Dust is based off the Unreal engine for starters, which means many of the tools to port the game are already there. Couple this with knowledge of what's going on with Carbon and it's entirely possible they'll be able to move most of the assets over without too much hassle.

It's true that XBlive users might not be able to play with their playstation equivalents, but both those networks really only connect back to CCP's equipment anyway.


I'd fully expect a version of dust for the XB360 and possibly even the PC after a few months, sooner if it doesn't do well in sales. In my case, I don't (nor will I ever) own a console, specially for FPS games.. so I'll just sit this one out.

LiquidatorBrunt
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:57:00 - [332]
 

bring it out on pc

oh gee wizz, we have a huge pc fanbase but what we really want is a console one, I know let's ignore the pc fanbase for the sake of the console fanbase who DOES NOT EXIST yet!


Seriously I wish CCP every bit of success, but you seem to be a bit over-confident that anyone outside hardcore gaming circles. I don't know ANYONE other than eve players who know about this game, who even know who CCP are.


I do know that you have thousand of PC gaming fans, so why you would contemplate not brining this out on steam as well is beyond me. I do have an xbox but even I am not nutty enough to consider buying a PS3 for what is.... probably.. and i wish it not to be... a throw away fps set in the eve universe, that will have some sort of interaction with PI??! is that it, i dunno as an actual eve player I see how the trailers are but it never quite ends up being practical :)


Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:07:00 - [333]
 

Originally by: Marcus Ailichi
I'm a 360 owner and honestly? I think it's better this way. Gives me another excuse to buy ps3 AND I don't have to pay 60£ per year just to play gaems online.

Also had it been 360 exclusive people would have still been whining
You, sir, are pro at showing CCP how their forum can be broken. /me salutes. YARRRR!!

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:16:00 - [334]
 

Regarding the visuals, is there any chance the game will have some color? So far, everything I've seen shows that the game's visual style is very bleak. I'm not expecting rainbows, or anything like that, but not every map has to look like a nuclear wasteland. Razz

Cole Ontor
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:17:00 - [335]
 

i only has 1 ? for this,will we still be able to nuke from orbit ugh

Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:17:00 - [336]
 

1) Anyone remember Planet Side? What happened to that? Just askin.

2) How do eve players interact with Dust?

3) Why console only, i really don't get it?

Thaledred Askiras
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:17:00 - [337]
 

Originally by: Marcus Ailichi
Gives me another excuse to buy ps3 AND I don't have to pay 60£ per year just to play gaems online.



This is why PS3 is better than XCRAP -360

I own all consoles, but wish there was a PC release. Playing a shooter with an controler is slow and annoying.

Problem now is, you can't mix console players with PC players because the PC players will own the console players by far.

cyclone71
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:19:00 - [338]
 

i hope CCP brings out a PC version of DUST 514. cause i am collage student and i am to broke for a ps3 and i want halo 4 Very Happy

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:24:00 - [339]
 

Originally by: Sister Megarea
Eve customers have been extremely loyal: Adding an expansion to the universe and completely locking them out is disrespectful at best and economically limiting at worst[/*]

It's become painfully clear that CCP's upper management doesn't care about customer loyalty (lolcustomers, etc).
Originally by: Sister Megarea
FPS games on consoles are notoriously child-like. Auto aim being but one of the diaper-changing concepts

Precisely the sort of audience that would go for impulse buys for an in-game advantage.
Originally by: Sister Megarea
Console games are notoriously short-lived. With very, very few exceptions, few stay popular more than a few months

Their mindset is if they can lure customers in, they'll just milk them as they go. Why do you think the tremendous disinterest the gaming world has in DUST 514 has them in full blown damage control mode on the forums?
Originally by: Sister Megarea
Eve is a massive universe, with enormous possibilities. Expanding the playerbase for Eve ? A Good Thing. Limiting that expansion to an infinitesimally small portion of the consumer market ? Short sighted - and that's being polite.

See above; cash grab.
Originally by: Sister Megarea
Sony is one of the most insecure gaming networks around. You say you "were only aware of the hack" a few days ago: Are you also aware that this was the third hack in six weeks ? It has literally been across the national IT media for ages. You may want to add www.arstechnica.com to your bookmark list.

Irrelevant to CCP's eyes.
Originally by: Sister Megarea
Keeping it as a PS3 (or console general) exclusive for a limited time would absolutely make economic sense - We would then buy CCPs argument that they want to expand the playerbase and most of us would happily wait a year while they built up the console playerbase before letting us in to show them how it's done: Making it PS3 exclusive for all time is simply short, short sighted.

Irrelevant to CCP's eyes.
Originally by: Sister Megarea
That being said: CCP will see, within a year, the utter silliness not only of going console only, but specifically PS3 only: I think we'll see a PC port sometime after that after the expectations are so catastrophically under-met, but you'll have a lot of players who won't buy it on principle.

Hahahahaha nope. CCP will probably never port DUST to the PC.
Originally by: Sister Megarea
At the end of the day, this is a slap to their existing playerbase: There is no denying that. There is absolutely no reason other than "Sony wants a feather in its cap" for exclusivity to the console only.

This. Will. Fail.

Pile it on top of the existing list of grievances CCP's management has caused for people who love EVE Online. CCP is hell bent on adding more of them in pursuit of shiny. At the end of the day though, DUST will probably be financially successful - assuming they can get the wider gaming world to care. The existing player base could help with that, but CCP cares more about each person's $15 a month than our loyalty and continued interest in the property and universe.

Aira Mereano
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:29:00 - [340]
 

Edited by: Aira Mereano on 07/06/2011 14:29:21
Hah, the failtrain is rolling again I see.

Well congrats CCP, you just lost a HUGE amount of future Dust players. Wink

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:39:00 - [341]
 

To all the CCP guys inevitably proclaiming that we're all "Awesome Hating Terrorists™," grow up; these criticisms are born as a result of your work, and these points are there to be critical of the work; they're not personal attacks.

Have fun at the press conferences tomorrow.

Matiel Shrike
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:49:00 - [342]
 

Edited by: Matiel Shrike on 07/06/2011 14:50:28
wow ccp. really? ps3 exclusive. bulls**t. im not going to start another argument about how its actually more clunky on the pc or 'xbox is better than the ps3', but where is the logic in making it an exclusive to one platform game? were you bribed? were your entire staff high? because you've condemned yourself to losing 2/3 of your potential profits...

Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:55:00 - [343]
 

Originally by: Evelgrivion
To all the CCP guys inevitably proclaiming that we're all "Awesome Hating Terrorists™," grow up; these criticisms are born as a result of your work, and these points are there to be critical of the work; they're not personal attacks.


No, but I think the bolded bit in your quote is a borderline personal attack, since I've not seen one post from a CCP employee saying anything of the kind.

Captain Champion
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:55:00 - [344]
 

I'm sure it didnt work out between microsoft and ccp which is a shame. I was really looking forward to dust. Not going to buy a ps3 for it tho. Especially not after that whole network attack issue.

Ashmira Wintereyes
Caldari
Free Spirits
Posted - 2011.06.07 15:25:00 - [345]
 

Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot
CCP have consistently claimed that Dust was multiformat.

The console specs haven't changed. We can all assume correctly then that there has been until recently, fully working beta's for PC, Xbox and PS3.

I have not read a single technical explanation as yet as to why the change to PS3 exclusivity, that I have not heard before from other developers in similar situations. Not one.

So until we get a full public denial from CCP, I and many others I'd imagine are going to take it as read that money has been exchanged.

I've no problem with that by the way. Business is business.

To pretend otherwise however, that I do have a problem with.




Very simple to be honest.

Exclusive deals are made in a couple of maners basicly.

1) The owner of the platform gives alot of isk.
2) The owner of the platform gives alot resources, many of times to help out ****ups made by the developer
3) a combination of the two
4) Sony pays for the underlying infrastructure that dust will use
5) The developer wants to make more isk and is not satisfied by having the online gaming part to be 'only' XBL gold members only (which is a requirement for online gameing for XBL i believe)

So, all in all it's something that SoE has cost alot of money to get it exclusive, although im not sure what it is that SoE thinks to gain from this deal...

Carli Zandrya
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.07 15:25:00 - [346]
 

Nor will I. After so many years of e-blood, sweat and tears I do feel slighted.

Forgive me if I'm being a simpleton, but hasn't Dust been played up as an eventual part of the EvE universe? How is that supposed to happen on different platforms? Are we only seeing colored-in pieces of a larger scheme?

Instead of including an established fan base that would absolutely eat up Dust on PC (even with a separate sub), they are forging ahead with giving a new generation of players a game which will be totally disconnected with the older and larger EvE universe and players.

If Dust doesn't migrate to the PC market, or announced that it will in short order, I'm sure I won't be the only EvE fan that went from dreaming about Dust to lamenting it. And this is an EvE website, not a 'CCP general' site. So if Dust won't marry EvE then Dust talk has no place here.

Caldari Nundinae
Posted - 2011.06.07 15:30:00 - [347]
 

It looks fantastic.... but its massively unlikely that they will sell anywhere as many as they would have if it was on pc... I mean who wouldn't buy it so they could add an fps element to their Eve experience... would have been amazing Immersion, corp groundforces etc... would have been AMAZING!

but instead Ill add this fail to the un-televised first 2 weekends of Alliance tournament... freekin unbelievable

Kyron Gekh
Posted - 2011.06.07 15:52:00 - [348]
 

Why not XBox 360???

Rhapsodyy
Posted - 2011.06.07 15:58:00 - [349]
 

Originally by: Kyron Gekh
Why not XBox 360???


(Shamelessly stolen some1's reply from somewhere)

Quote:
As I understand it, they wanted to release on the XBox-360, but microsoft basically made it impossible for them by the terms & conditions they enforce. (eg: all downloads over 100Mb MUST be for-money DLCs: No big patches. No giving away the client for free either. Also all games must be hosted by Microsoft, so the whole link-to-TQ thing would be impossible, which would obviate the whole point of Dust in the first place. If MS refused to compromise on those conditions, then CCP would have no choice but to either cancel the project or launch as a PS3 exclusive)


Still waiting on an OFFICIAL response to the reasons from CCP though, which i do hope they will provide sometime soon so this question can stop being asked.

Jlayla
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:04:00 - [350]
 

Wow, haters gonna hate?

All posts here are irrelevant anyway, PS3 is a new market with a new player base waiting to signup. The games are so different that I doubt CCP are relying on many EVE players getting into Dust.

Save your breathe, go back to whining about EVE.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:07:00 - [351]
 

Originally by: Jlayla
Wow, haters gonna hate?

All posts here are irrelevant anyway, PS3 is a new market with a new player base waiting to signup. The games are so different that I doubt CCP are relying on many EVE players getting into Dust.

Save your breathe, go back to whining about EVE.
The gaming populace isn't just a fine split between "360, PS3, PC" though. I own a PC and a 360. Some people own a PC, 360 and PS3. Some people just own a PC and a PS3 or a PS3 and a 360.

Saying that releasing only into one-of-three possibilities is better than two or even three out of three is stupid; and there is no limitation other than their own desire stopping them from making a PC version.

Dan Brimstone
Order of Dendera
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:12:00 - [352]
 

Originally by: Rhapsodyy
Quote:
As I understand it, they wanted to release on the XBox-360, but microsoft basically made it impossible for them by the terms & conditions they enforce. (eg: all downloads over 100Mb MUST be for-money DLCs: No big patches. No giving away the client for free either. Also all games must be hosted by Microsoft, so the whole link-to-TQ thing would be impossible, which would obviate the whole point of Dust in the first place. If MS refused to compromise on those conditions, then CCP would have no choice but to either cancel the project or launch as a PS3 exclusive)


Still waiting on an OFFICIAL response to the reasons from CCP though, which i do hope they will provide sometime soon so this question can stop being asked.


This isn't all entirely true. There are plenty of games that do not use Micrsoft servers for their online stuff. BF Bad Company 2, the new Gears of War, and if we go further back Final Fantasy 11, which not only was cross platform (including PC) it also shared a server cross platform. I'm not sure about the downloads over a certain size costing money either. All the BFBC2 map packs where free, and there was a several gb update awhile ago that didn't cost anything either.

Falacio Burns
Caldari
Blunt Brothers Trading
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:16:00 - [353]
 

My initial thought was RAGE!!

I have a ps3 and xbox, so I can still play. It just sucks that they are excluding the bigger of the two fps communities. I have my concerns, but I'll still be playing.

Jlayla
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:17:00 - [354]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
The gaming populace isn't just a fine split between "360, PS3, PC" though. I own a PC and a 360. Some people own a PC, 360 and PS3. Some people just own a PC and a PS3 or a PS3 and a 360.


True, myself included.

But I'm talking specifically about the subset of EVE players who also have a PS3 and are interested in FPS games being a lot smaller than the total number of people playing FPS games on PS3. This is who they will furiously market the game at, any enthusiastic EVE players who come along for the ride will just be a bonus.

Speaking to the multi-platform comments, more platforms costs more to develop. DUST is a risky venture for CCP, it's very possible it doesn't gain any traction with console gamers. Probably best they figure this out before putting all of their money into a multi-platform launch.

They also have another PC game in the works too remember?

Eggs in many baskets.

Jack Varus
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:21:00 - [355]
 

please don't put in a planetbound doomsday device. Getting it shot away by some guy on a PS3 would be about the most frustrating way I can imagine to lose a 2 billion isk ship.

In my opinion if the guys on the ground don't want to get massacred by starships they should call their friends with bigger ships.

Jehanne D'ark
Minmatar
Ghost Tribal Credit Union
Sspectre
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:23:00 - [356]
 

PS3 is the way to go :D
I support the decision to make this a ps3 exclusive. I'ma love this on my ps3. :)


Tubolard
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:29:00 - [357]
 

Edited by: Tubolard on 07/06/2011 16:29:01
I think it is a stupid idea to go PS3 exclusive. Afterall it is not like they can make any money on micro transactions on PSN. I think after they realized that the cross consol thing wouldn't work they should have scrapped the consol idea and gone for the PC.

Novgond Galathil
Caldari
Haw Bratva
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:37:00 - [358]
 

I can understand why CCP wants to get into consoles. I can understand going with PS3 over Xbox (because MS has crazy restrictions and PS3 has much better hardware). But what I can't understand is saying FU to all your PC players. I don't know about everyone else, but I love first person shooters, and I especially love Sci-Fi themed ones. Throw in EVE and its a sure buy for me. But I don't have a PS3 and certainly won't be getting one. So the lack of PC is very very sad. PC+PS3 would make the most sense...

Killitt
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:38:00 - [359]
 

ONLY on sony......................

WTFFCCP?

I seriously and genuinely hope that this is because they were the only ones to pick the game up.....not because they were the best deal.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:38:00 - [360]
 

Originally by: Jlayla
They also have another PC game in the works too remember?
Yeah, World of Darkness, which has been in the works longer than DUST has been. Which has nothing to do with Eve, therefor it's their call how they deal with it.

However, DUST is the issue at hand. I'm merely saying, it'll be nothing short of a miracle if they see any profit at all from DUST. I hope it flops so that CCP might actually learn something about not only marketing strategy, but it might just finally dissuade them from their current love affair with microtransactions.


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