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Erik Finnegan
Gallente
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:35:00 - [301]
 

Dear CCP,

I do not yet own a console and I was always wondering which one it was supposed to be. They really look so exchangeable for me from the outside. Thanks for making the decision a LOT easier now. Cool It will be the one with the New Eden in it.

Dan Wilkie
Gallente
Universal Freelance
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:39:00 - [302]
 

I doubt very much you'll see it on 360 in the future... It'd need to let people on XBox live play against people on PSN for starters, else it would make no sense at all.

And that, i can't see happening.

Rhapsodyy
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:39:00 - [303]
 

Originally by: Infinion
You and Sony are partners now right? Would it be possible to give subscribed eve players a discount for the PS3 console?


This and id consider buying a PS3 perhaps, similar to the recent discount from Nvidia announced at fanfest.

Also, not that i know what the eta is, but what happens when the next generation of Playstation is released, will dust just be left to rot on the PS3 with an ever decreasing player base? How are you going to deal with this in the years to come?

Ronald Ray Gun
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:39:00 - [304]
 

Originally by: SwissChris1
If the playstation networks keep getting hacked then there will be no more playstation by the time this game is completed :D Seriously who in their right mind would buy something that has been hacked 3 times in the last few weeks. Sony fail.


Who would buy a game that previously deleted your boot.ini. file? Or use a newly released forum that was so bugged it allowed you to post as a CCP member of staff or anyone else you chose. Who would buy a game where the Devs had been caught cheating and it was covered up by the people in charge? Who would pay for a game where bug ridden content is constantly released without proper QA?

YOU.

NextDarkKnight
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:40:00 - [305]
 

Sorry,

Xbox home here, no desire to get a PS3. If you cannot support the 360, Please provide a PC port instead. ugh

Dan Brimstone
Order of Dendera
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:41:00 - [306]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot
CCP have consistently claimed that Dust was multiformat.

The console specs haven't changed. We can all assume correctly then that there has been until recently, fully working beta's for PC, Xbox and PS3.

I have not read a single technical explanation as yet as to why the change to PS3 exclusivity, that I have not heard before from other developers in similar situations. Not one.

So until we get a full public denial from CCP, I and many others I'd imagine are going to take it as read that money has been exchanged.

I've no problem with that by the way. Business is business.

To pretend otherwise however, that I do have a problem with.




From the very first days, DUST 514 was announced as a console-based game. As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways not least in the way it will interact with EVE and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly.




I never understood platform exclusivity, to this day I don't (other than the console owners wanting more money). You would think as a game developer CCP would want to get the game in the hands of as many gamers as possible, so I still don't understand why it isn't on both PS3 and xbox.

Mitchello
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:45:00 - [307]
 

Interesting article on Rock, Paper, Shotgun. Comments to it are probably even more interesting in terms of current trend of reception of the announcement =/

John McCreedy
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:49:00 - [308]
 

Originally by: Mitchello
Originally by: John McCreedy
If Dust proves to be a commercial success on the PS3, will CCP re-consider cross-platform support, namely XBox and PC?


It's an "exclusive" deal. Whatever options, they'll have to wait for after the expiration of such terms.

And again, since they want to grow a core userbase for Dust, they will be VERY cautious of things that can easily get in the way of that.

Btw, your sig is borked.



CCP are many things but they're not stupid and they'll be well aware that this isn't going to be a commercial success over night. I'd imagine a large proportion of Dust's initial customer base will be PS3-owning Eve subscribers. But exclusivity is not normally for the life of a product, it invariably has set terms such as duration or set number of users. What I'm asking is are CCP ruling out Dust ever appearing on other the PC since clearly the PC already has the technology in place with which to handle MMOs?

Thanks for the head's up on the Sig. It's just a link to our recruitment thread Smile

Freibuis
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:52:00 - [309]
 

on PSN. to bad.. moving to something else. I wont play Dust on my PS3 as its end of life. the early builds shown were on xb360 and looks promissing. but still I wont play it if its on either as theses points

FPS;s are Keyboard mouse and high server player count.
I never play FPS's on my consoles.. as its stupid <incoming flame> my console is just a toy to play car games and kids games.

Is the idea that brining this platform to Desktops a bad idea as it will pull gamers away from a paid method EVE MMO?

Also what is CCP going to do when the Low player numbers on the PSN network fail to live up to its needs (MMO interaction). will we get a commitment that the Desktop market will be opened up if the PSN market fails after 6-12 months?


Bassically what is CCP's out if this fails to hold market share after 12 months and how will that effect MMO community if it does fail?

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:57:00 - [310]
 

Originally by: Aston Martin DB5
What do I need to do to ensure I get a beta? Cool


Also, all this complaining about not being on xbox, I will wager that 95 percent of the people crying don't even OWN AN XBOX lol.Rolling Eyes


Knowing CCP, they'll probably try to sell that access to you. Laughing

nathanius
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:57:00 - [311]
 

FAIL for me :(

XBOX is the best plattform for FPS at the moment .
This is a bad choice for me , also number of xbox in the world overhead ps3
console , was a great opportunity of reach a major player number .
IMHO was correctly first choice any month ago ..... xbox forever.



Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:58:00 - [312]
 

Edited by: Tres Farmer on 07/06/2011 13:00:20
Originally by: Erik Finnegan
Dear CCP,

I do not yet own a console and I was always wondering which one it was supposed to be. They really look so exchangeable for me from the outside. Thanks for making the decision a LOT easier now. Cool It will be the one with the New Eden in it.

this +1

btw.. one universe/one war/one market
The one who is writing the devblog explaining why we'll have two markets better has done his homework. There will be plenty of people looking at this.


Originally by: Rhapsodyy
*snip*

Also, not that i know what the eta is, but what happens when the next generation of Playstation is released, will dust just be left to rot on the PS3 with an ever decreasing player base? How are you going to deal with this in the years to come?

Dev reply in GD said they will just offer a free download for the next gen PS.

Tire Iron
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:59:00 - [313]
 

I think it already been said but I'll say it again. Putting DUST 514 on PS3 and for that matter on the PSN is a bad move. It can be good, and I hope for the best.

I've been following this game since I first heard about it, the thought of a FPS that is in turn melded with a MMO is a massively great Idea, and it is revolutionary. However, due to recent events (and the fact I'm a loyal Microsoft consumer) I think it is the wrong move.

One main reason is the PSN got hacked, this caused many to lose account information and locked the PSN down for about a month. I'm not sure if DUST will be so melded with our beloved EVE that it would cause problem if it happened again, but I fear it may. To be quaint I fear if PSN go's down EVE will go down. You guys may have realized this and taken precautions making it separate, so if such a situation occurred only some of EVE's components would be down.

PS3 is not a great shooter console, while it has a few great shooter titles such as Resistance and Killzone I dont think its qualified to set the bar much higher then those games. I don't know what your plans are for DUST and at this point I don't know if I will keep following it.


However now that I think of it, most of these arguments are likely void. I remember someone stating at the conference about it being on separate servers (or hinting towards it). Also I hope you don't forget the people out there who dont own a console and only own a computer, being that's where EVE is that's where your largest fan base is, well I'm done. I've likely wasted a few people's time when they stopped scrolling through the vast amounts of posts. Good luck.

Hazzim
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:59:00 - [314]
 

It's honestly regrettable to hear Dust514's exclusivity. Hopefully, CCP future endeavours would justify itself opening it up to cross-platform i.e Xbox, PC.

CCP,

To point my question is, will there be a Dust514 Themed PS3 for the release of Dust 514?

TLWE
Polish Lords' Confederacy
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:05:00 - [315]
 

CCP was very pragmatic. They wanted as many players as possible. So multi console choice was made.
Microsoft was emotional.
"Halo? Halo? Anyone there? Yes! Dust514 here. Just finishing the kill on Halo."
Very emotional indeed. Laughing

Now the whole issue is:
A. When CCP realize they will need to convert the game to PCs.
B. When we get that FPS to PCs. Maybe even as an expansion to Eve Online? :)

I am sure now we will get it to PCs. Eventually. ugh

MyZalia
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:07:00 - [316]
 

Alienate ~75% of your existing customer base? Check
Limit yourself to a limited economic market? Check
Have a game that ties into a PC game, that you CANT play on PC? Check
Wind up on discount part of aisle for unwanted new console games? Probably

Congrats, as you then also limit yourself to a fewer number of players that can be dragged out of 514 into EVE which would certainly make you more money over the lifetime of the consumer.

I see what you guys did. Pick whatever argument you want to defend the PS3 exclusivity, but go ask your economist guy: it wasn't a really good choice :(
Now wait for backlash to eve market when players previously energized to play eve by Dust prospect quit caring because they cant play it.

Gruth McGranger
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:13:00 - [317]
 

CCP, I really hope you listen to your "PC customers" and release a PC version of this game, since there is clearly a large demand for it.
Tapping into the wellspring of the console gamers' wallet is a good idea and will pull more people into your endeavors, expand your horizons, and in turn make you an assload of cash, but don't pull an 'Infinity Ward' on us and defecate on the people that keep the heart of your company beating. The money is there in the pc community as well- and people are willing to spend it. Don't turn a deaf ear to them blatantly saying so, as you're only missing out.

Maplestone
Myth and Peace Lords
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:23:00 - [318]
 

As a fan of MMOs in general, I am extremely interested in seeing how this experiment goes because I believe it represents a watershed moment that is going to pave the way to the next generation of virtual worlds. Although DUST itself is not a game I intend to play personally, I very much want to see it succeed for the sake of the worlds I want to see made.

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:29:00 - [319]
 

There's a baffling amount of negative hyperbole in this thread.

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:36:00 - [320]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Aineko Macx
How are you dealing with around-the-world network latency?
Or won't it matter because players are gonna play with blunt tools like joypads?
There will be a network of battle servers hosted around the world. These servers will host individual DUST matches and feed the data into the main EVE Online cluster.

Consequently this means that either
a) only players geographically near to each other will be able to form corps and have a matches (many corps/matches will not be allowed because they are far apart)
or
b) players will be allowed to play with each other regardless of location, meaning that players from Australia sparring with dudes from the UK are pretty much screwed.

PrimaryParadox
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:38:00 - [321]
 

Well it looks like Dust will be condemned to the garbage pile for me since its a PS3 exclusive, PS3 can barely run their own stuff let alone deal with something like this. What a joke the release is "we wanted to bring this to the most ppl" is a load of bull**** because 360 has a larger gaming community with faster servers and dosent get hacked for private information which Sony seems to have a major issue with lately...its too bad that when sony dies they will have to bring dust over to the 360 anyway what a waste of time...way to go CCP...complete fail on an exclusive...

adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
Nair Al-Zaurak
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:39:00 - [322]
 

I want a PC version....Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad



Slen Dnulke
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:41:00 - [323]
 

Evil or Very MadWTFEvil or Very Mad
Nice to see CCP is killing Dust514 before it even hits shelfs. What happened to the planes for the cross-console game that you boasted about?
I for one will not be playing Dust 514 now.
Way to side your self with the MMO-killer, CCP.

Revchan
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:41:00 - [324]
 

I'm not really an exclusive console user myself, but only PS3? Seriously? I never really planned on getting the game but I would at least like to try it out sometime. It being PS3 exclusive is very disappointing. The fact you signed on with a company such as Sony for this makes me rethink my views of CCP. Sony has no trust from me whatsoever, especially with their constant network breaches they've been getting. I'm sorry, but I don't want my CCP account associated with Sony in any way. My main question to you, CCP, is are you going to take the security measures to make sure our accounts are safe from Sony's hacked network? I don't even want Sony to be able to see my account at all. Just a look from them will likely get my account stolen. Sony has horrible credibility now, why would you guys sink to signing on with Sony?

Again: Will our accounts be kept completely separate from Sony? I want my account to have nothing to do with that company.

Revchan
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:45:00 - [325]
 

Originally by: Ronald Ray Gun
Originally by: SwissChris1
If the playstation networks keep getting hacked then there will be no more playstation by the time this game is completed :D Seriously who in their right mind would buy something that has been hacked 3 times in the last few weeks. Sony fail.


Who would buy a game that previously deleted your boot.ini. file? Or use a newly released forum that was so bugged it allowed you to post as a CCP member of staff or anyone else you chose. Who would buy a game where the Devs had been caught cheating and it was covered up by the people in charge? Who would pay for a game where bug ridden content is constantly released without proper QA?

YOU.


Really? You are comparing "deleted your boot.ini file" with "sony network hacked 3 times leaking your PERSONAL information and credit card information." There is no comparison there. They are two totally different levels of bad.

Parsival Abon
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:47:00 - [326]
 

I was really looking forward to this game, and had in fact already begun recruiting all my son's 12 year old friends who are wasting away their youth on Call of Duty to consider switching to Dust 514 so I'd have a kick-a$$ army to do my evil bidding. Too bad they all have Xbox360s. This decision is like choosing Beta over VHS.

In other news, I remain strikingly handsome.


LifeHatesMe
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:49:00 - [327]
 

Edited by: LifeHatesMe on 07/06/2011 13:53:56
Originally by: Solomon XI
I could go into a vivid discussion on why this it's bull$hit that Dust 514 is going to be an exclusive Playstation game but I'm not going to because I'm absolutely certain it's too damn late for anything to change at this point.

Eve Online runs on a Microsoft backbone to begin with and the Xbox 360 has always been a better "FPS Shooter" platform than the PS3. All you have done is commit us loyal 360 fans to either not playing Dust 514 or spending an obscene amount of money on a new gaming console for a single game.

Why you choose exclusivity with Sony over Microsoft is beyond me. The 360 is a better console. Period.
Ditto, not buying this game if it's going to be on PS3, I'd probably buy two copies otherwise.. Rolling Eyes

Edit: I own two xbox's, and I owned a PS2, played on it maybe 20 hours for those cool RPG's, never went back..

Traska Gannel
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:49:00 - [328]
 

EVE Online runs on a PC or a MAC ... under Windows or OSX. (and in some cases Wine under Linux)

Every player of EVE has this hardware.

EVE players might be considered the primary initial market for Dust 514 and the main motivators for its development.

Only a fraction of EVE players own a PS3. So only a fraction of EVE players will purchase Dust 514. Those with the hardware who like FPS games.

CCP will have to ensure that Dust 514 has a much broader appeal than just the EVE community or it will fail since they have already alienated a significant fraction of the EVE community by designing the game for hardware that most do not own.

I hope it is a great game but without a PC version I won't be buying it.

/end comment on PS3 3 exclusivity

Znagl
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:55:00 - [329]
 

Exclusive Publishing via the greatest Fail in Online Gaming History? (Sony)

This could get interesting....

How do you expect to compete with FPS like Crap of Duty when a big potential of your customers are PC based?

Sister Megarea
Sisters of Agony
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:56:00 - [330]
 

Originally by: Tolaskar Hardrada


Very, very bad week RL + Sister Megarea's last post (showing a complete and utter lack of basic knowledge regarding the topic) with the comments from others set me off. I can only handle so much whining from perceived adults.



You shouldn't make assumptions about other peoples' knowledge: It tends to highlight your own lack.

Here are a few points, without the rage:

  1. Eve customers have been extremely loyal: Adding an expansion to the universe and completely locking them out is disrespectful at best and economically limiting at worst

  2. FPS games on consoles are notoriously child-like. Auto aim being but one of the diaper-changing concepts

  3. Console games are notoriously short-lived. With very, very few exceptions, few stay popular more than a few months

  4. Eve is a massive universe, with enormous possibilities. Expanding the playerbase for Eve ? A Good Thing. Limiting that expansion to an infinitesimally small portion of the consumer market ? Short sighted - and that's being polite.

  5. Sony is one of the most insecure gaming networks around. You say you "were only aware of the hack" a few days ago: Are you also aware that this was the third hack in six weeks ? It has literally been across the national IT media for ages. You may want to add www.arstechnica.com to your bookmark list.

  6. Keeping it as a PS3 (or console general) exclusive for a limited time would absolutely make economic sense - We would then buy CCPs argument that they want to expand the playerbase and most of us would happily wait a year while they built up the console playerbase before letting us in to show them how it's done: Making it PS3 exclusive for all time is simply short, short sighted.

  7. That being said: CCP will see, within a year, the utter silliness not only of going console only, but specifically PS3 only: I think we'll see a PC port sometime after that after the expectations are so catastrophically under-met, but you'll have a lot of players who won't buy it on principle.



At the end of the day, this is a slap to their existing playerbase: There is no denying that. There is absolutely no reason other than "Sony wants a feather in its cap" for exclusivity to the console only.

This. Will. Fail.


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