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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.06.07 10:51:00 - [271]
 

I won't buy a console to play a single game, and certainly not a ps3.
I could not possibly justify that financially.

Too bad, as it looks very nice and fun. Back to BF2142 it seems... ugh

lycaniz
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.07 10:55:00 - [272]
 

Dissapointet.... a lot.... ps3 only.... pfft. is that some smart way to limit players so you got less work to do or something? i dont know.... but it suck.

Dennie Fleetfoot
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:09:00 - [273]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot
CCP have consistently claimed that Dust was multiformat.

The console specs haven't changed. We can all assume correctly then that there has been until recently, fully working beta's for PC, Xbox and PS3.

I have not read a single technical explanation as yet as to why the change to PS3 exclusivity, that I have not heard before from other developers in similar situations. Not one.

So until we get a full public denial from CCP, I and many others I'd imagine are going to take it as read that money has been exchanged.

I've no problem with that by the way. Business is business.

To pretend otherwise however, that I do have a problem with.




From the very first days, DUST 514 was announced as a console-based game. As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways not least in the way it will interact with EVE and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly.




Sorry guys, didn't mean to put PC as a format. I knew it was console only. *slaps forehead*

However Spitfire, as much as I thank you for your response, I believe my point still stands.

With the prior claims to it being Multi-format then logically there must have been an Xbox version, the spec's for that console haven't changed.

"As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways not least in the way it will interact with EVE and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly."

What is the technical reason that previously wasn't a problem before that suddenly made the Xbox 'less MMO friendly' than the PS3?

There are only 3 explanations.

1: Microsoft's service constrictions with Xbox Live mean that Dust couldn't work as you'd hoped. Which I wouldn't be too shocked about. In which case, just say that its Microsoft's policies that have denied the format the joys of Dust and we can move on, knowing who's fault it is.

2: CCP don't have the technical know how, resources or skills to make an 'MMO unfriendly console' work they way they want. I personally don't believe this for a moment. You guys have uber skills as a developer and I'm fairly convinced you could make a Xbox make a cup of tea for you all, should you wish it.

3. CCP and Sony have signed an exclusivity deal, in which case just say so. Business is business as I said before. No one with an IQ above that of a dead dog is going to not understand that or think less of you for it. We've still got our internet spaceships after all.

Which one is it?

You've made a great universe with EVE and it's only right you'd want to expand it. I just think you've limited the scope of that expansion and in the current economic climate, plus the fact that there is not one other single game on it that can't already play on my Xbox that I'm interested in, I can't and won't justify the purchase of a PS3 to play one game.

Lieutenant Narf
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:09:00 - [274]
 

PS3 ONLY Evil or Very Mad

PS3 is a very expensive console to buy just to play Dust 514. Not to mention their multiplayer support is a nightmair.

As much as I was looking forward to it, looks like I won't be playing it either.....Crying or Very sad

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:11:00 - [275]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
From the very first days, DUST 514 was announced as a console-based game. As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways not least in the way it will interact with EVE and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly.




Not to sound intelligent or anything, but there's this platform that is even better than the PS3. It's one that - even you, ccp - have intense past experience of. It's a wonderful platform, that can do many things without restricting the users of it.

It's the PC. Who would have thought!

cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:11:00 - [276]
 

Edited by: cBOLTSON on 07/06/2011 11:12:15
Im going to say this early before its too late, well mabye it is too late.
DUST isnt going to be very sucessful. PS3 only is a bad choice.

I wanted to buy DUST when I heard about it, then you said it wouldnt be on PC (**** MOVE)
So I got my younger brother looking at it, he seemed intrested but now you say its ps3 only, so he wont buy that.

How do you guys come up with decisions like this?

ALSO -

Originally when you were showing us dust last year at the fanfest presentation you were using XBOX controllers!!
MAKE DUST FOR THE PC or this will fail.

GLEV
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:17:00 - [277]
 

What about XBOX 360 ?

Metlec
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:21:00 - [278]
 

So dust is gunna be a singleplayer game ? Wink


Gereon Valk
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:25:00 - [279]
 

Can't even get past the "Age Verification" on the Dust514 site. Site only working from a PS3 browser, or how could you even "verify" anything? :P

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:32:00 - [280]
 

Originally by: Gereon Valk
Can't even get past the "Age Verification" on the Dust514 site. Site only working from a PS3 browser, or how could you even "verify" anything? :P


Just type your age in the box and there you go.


Eno Lacigol
Amarr
QQ Continuum
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:33:00 - [281]
 

Not having dust available on PC is a damn shame. Killed any excitement that I had about the game into disappointment.

Vaughn Baychimo
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:36:00 - [282]
 

Originally by: Connie Focal
Edited by: Connie Focal on 07/06/2011 08:09:14
I think a lot of people may be missing a key word on the announcement.

Quote:
launching exclusively on PlayStation 3


Unless they've then said elsewhere that it will forever be PS3 only, in which case ignore me.


yup, this^

So, has anyone tried the DUST BETA yet?

Sar Hadariel
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:39:00 - [283]
 

I think it is a mistake to single out a single platform for the release of dust..... As a 360 user I feel you left myself and the rest of us out in the cold... To me, it's the same thing as saying that eve is only pc or mac compatable. Dust no longer matters to me.... Stupid idea

Raven God
Texas Inc.
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:39:00 - [284]
 

Edited by: Raven God on 07/06/2011 11:42:09
If you dont release on Xbox your doomed :) just sayin

Edit: You realize that all decent shooters are on Xbox and no one owns a ps3

Valetta Vasquez
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:47:00 - [285]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways not least in the way it will interact with EVE and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly.


Shame you've just lost at least half, if not more, of your potential customers just because it was "MMO-Friendly". I know quite a few people who now won't be getting this. I bet every player in Eve does...

Dogo Duma
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:57:00 - [286]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot
CCP have consistently claimed that Dust was multiformat.

The console specs haven't changed. We can all assume correctly then that there has been until recently, fully working beta's for PC, Xbox and PS3.

I have not read a single technical explanation as yet as to why the change to PS3 exclusivity, that I have not heard before from other developers in similar situations. Not one.

So until we get a full public denial from CCP, I and many others I'd imagine are going to take it as read that money has been exchanged.

I've no problem with that by the way. Business is business.

To pretend otherwise however, that I do have a problem with.




From the very first days, DUST 514 was announced as a console-based game. As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways not least in the way it will interact with EVE and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly.




Please don't take this as "bitter", but I fail to see how it is unique. There's been one or two (admittedly fail) game projects to tie mmo to console environments, and there's quite a few studios exploring and even working on recombining elements & trends like platforms, casualitions of gaming, monetisation, gratification, etc.

What am I missing (yes, honest question).


Nell Tu
EMIX INC
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:02:00 - [287]
 

Given last FPS game I played was Terminator: Future Shock be my guest and make the game for "Rubber Duck" consoles I don't care. Though I would be very disappointed if this new pet started to leech EvE resources (developers).

minerdave
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:02:00 - [288]
 

im not to worried about the fact its a ps3 exclusive, what i am worried about is the controller setup

Mitchello
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:05:00 - [289]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
From the very first days, DUST 514 was announced as a console-based game. As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways not least in the way it will interact with EVE and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly.




Not to sound intelligent or anything, but there's this platform that is even better than the PS3. It's one that - even you, ccp - have intense past experience of. It's a wonderful platform, that can do many things without restricting the users of it.

It's the PC. Who would have thought!


They don't want to remain rooted in that market however. They want to diversify. Spread commercial reach and risk. On a strategic level, aiming Dust to create its own core user groups & types makes perfect sense, just like it once did with EVE.

Add to that the temptations of monetisation models, and do not underestimate the necessity to do other things once a while than those you have done for years.

John McCreedy
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:11:00 - [290]
 

If Dust proves to be a commercial success on the PS3, will CCP re-consider cross-platform support, namely XBox and PC?

Vaju Katru
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:11:00 - [291]
 

Please make it run on my Sega Saturn, please....

Dan Wilkie
Gallente
Universal Freelance
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:16:00 - [292]
 

The only thing I don't get is the MMO-Friendly aspect. I mean PSN's had more downtime than a Gosport Hooker, it was the whole reason I got rid of the PS3 and dusted off my XBox (because what's the point in buying a single-player console these days?).

I know 1 person who still has a PS3, and ironically it's the ONLY one of my friends who has no interest in FPSs.

Ah well, can't win them all. I mean you'd have thought that an extra 4 million potentials over the PS3 would have swung it but that's why I'm not in marketing :)

Aston Martin DB5
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:17:00 - [293]
 

What do I need to do to ensure I get a beta? Cool


Also, all this complaining about not being on xbox, I will wager that 95 percent of the people crying don't even OWN AN XBOX lol.Rolling Eyes

Admiral Tolwyn
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:20:00 - [294]
 

Originally by: John McCreedy
If Dust proves to be a commercial success on the PS3, will CCP re-consider cross-platform support, namely XBox and PC?

They made a Sony only agreement. This means they got money from them. This is the "MMO friendly" environment we are talking about.
This agreement will force them to say nothing about their plans to port it to another console.
Everyone who has a PS3 knows that the multiplayer part sux so badly compared to the Live Service.
So this was just a money decision and nothing else.

Gereon Valk
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:21:00 - [295]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Gereon Valk
Can't even get past the "Age Verification" on the Dust514 site. Site only working from a PS3 browser, or how could you even "verify" anything? :P


Just type your age in the box and there you go.



If it were that simple, I wouldn't have posted this. Something is broken on that site, at least for me.

Dan Wilkie
Gallente
Universal Freelance
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:22:00 - [296]
 

Originally by: Aston Martin DB5
What do I need to do to ensure I get a beta? Cool


Also, all this complaining about not being on xbox, I will wager that 95 percent of the people crying don't even OWN AN XBOX lol.Rolling Eyes


I'll bet they know more people who own XBoxs than PS3's though - that's why I wanted it there, so my non-PC gaming friends could play while I played Eve.

Vaju Katru
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:27:00 - [297]
 

Edited by: Vaju Katru on 07/06/2011 12:28:32
Originally by: Gereon Valk
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Gereon Valk
Can't even get past the "Age Verification" on the Dust514 site. Site only working from a PS3 browser, or how could you even "verify" anything? :P


Just type your age in the box and there you go.



If it were that simple, I wouldn't have posted this. Something is broken on that site, at least for me.


*snip* Please be civil. Spitfire

Mitchello
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:27:00 - [298]
 

Originally by: John McCreedy
If Dust proves to be a commercial success on the PS3, will CCP re-consider cross-platform support, namely XBox and PC?


It's an "exclusive" deal. Whatever options, they'll have to wait for after the expiration of such terms.

And again, since they want to grow a core userbase for Dust, they will be VERY cautious of things that can easily get in the way of that.

Btw, your sig is borked.

SerialTurd
APEX ARDENT COALITION
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:30:00 - [299]
 

Edited by: SerialTurd on 07/06/2011 13:10:19
Edited by: SerialTurd on 07/06/2011 12:50:56
Edited by: SerialTurd on 07/06/2011 12:50:08
Looks quite awesome. I own both and barely play console games unless there's an exclusive out and I'm forced to get it for that particular console.

I'm guessing as many have already stated that M$ said sorry, we aren't going to allow you to set up the game the way you want it and that's why we have it as a ps3 exclusive.

THINK PEOPLE! CCP is a company who's in it to make money. They would be dumb to not release it on the 360. That's a HUGE share of the console market. So why would they skip out on it??? It had to have been something M$ said to prevent them from making the game the way they wanted.

I'm sure we'll find out in the very near future but my guess is, don't cry to CCP. Go cry to M$ for having BS rules for their console.

Ideally I would love to see it on the pc. FPS on consoles are full of fail.

SwissChris1
Playboy Delivery Service
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:32:00 - [300]
 

If the playstation networks keep getting hacked then there will be no more playstation by the time this game is completed :D Seriously who in their right mind would buy something that has been hacked 3 times in the last few weeks. Sony fail.


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