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Vaju Katru
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:33:00 - [241]
 

Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
Holy crap I never realised just how many morons play EVE. No wonder EVE players are getting bad reputations in the MMO community, what a bunch of arrogant, brainless, uneducated idiots a lot of you seem to be.


All hail the King! You must really feal big in this community!

Rolare
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:57:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
Holy crap I never realised just how many morons play EVE. No wonder EVE players are getting bad reputations in the MMO community, what a bunch of arrogant, brainless, uneducated idiots a lot of you seem to be.


All hail the King! You must really feal big in this community!


I kind of agree with him, most whiners seem to have stopped short of a few well-adjusted thoughts :l

While any forum user here is used to people repeating questions about what have been answered, and constant "i quit nau" posts and general feeling of extreme self-entitlement this is just... God, this is uglier than it's ever been before (that I remember atleast).

It doesn't take much to be a King around here it would seem (not saying the guy is stupid or anything, but the standard is kinda low right now).

Evil5am
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:02:00 - [243]
 

If it was xbox exclusive the ps3***s would whine... WTF is the point?

Dasola
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:26:00 - [244]
 

Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 02:50:37
Originally by: Bloodthirsty Reaver
Originally by: Token Afrodude
Originally by: Nac MacFeegle
Despite the fail exclusivity... I want a post from CCP High Command committing that their EVE Online user data will not be shared in any way, shape, or form with Sony. They CANNOT be trusted with this data, and if I cannot get this guarantee, I will be insisting on a complete purge of my accounts from CCP's systems. With lawyers, if necessary.



This.


Agreed

Anyone else noticing that CCP hasn't posted anything at all about this? Almost depressing.


I can't follow every thread on the subject but I will say this. Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries.

:edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course.


glad to hear this. You really cant trust PSN these days, it seems it hackers hobby to brake into it atleast once a week nowdays.Shocked Little suprised that Sony cant afford to hire good programmers to secure it.


Kaivix
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.07 13:31:00 - [245]
 

Could of been worst

We could of been forced to use Games for Windows Live to play EVE because
that obviously what MS would of wanted.

Gondus
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:20:00 - [246]
 

Everyone needs to understand. They MADE the exlusive agreement before all this failscading started to happen. They didn't decide "OH HEY, SONY IS FAILING HARD, LETS GO WITH THEM". No....they made the decision before all this and probably got into a contractual agreement to stay with Sony's PS3.

So stop whining about it. Would probably be breach of contract (if they made one) if they decided to change their mind.

Ripley Nostromo
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:24:00 - [247]
 

Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
Holy crap I never realised just how many morons play EVE. No wonder EVE players are getting bad reputations in the MMO community, what a bunch of arrogant, brainless, uneducated idiots a lot of you seem to be.


All hail the King! You must really feal big in this community!

This from the chief idiot....

Radix Salvilines
legion industries ltd
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:26:00 - [248]
 

Edited by: Radix Salvilines on 07/06/2011 14:26:19
honestly the sole idea of releasing DUST only on a console(s) is... evil and unfair.

There is a portion of players that play EVE (me included) because this game has future, it is secure. We can invest our time in it knowing that we only have to pay 15 euros/dollars per month. The game gets developped, expansions are free. When we can't play - our chars still keep on developping. Ingenious concept.

And now it gets borked.

I thought that EVE will be here always, that friendships I've made online will continue to develop, that reputation I've managed to build really matters.

And with DUST coming only on consoles, with some skills removed from game I do not feel secure anymore. What kept me in the game is starting to fade away.
It saddens me to see that CCP has turned into developping game for profit purposes only. It is not about passion, not about vision anymore.

There is still time and I hope CCP will someday suprise us by holding onto old values and keeping it all in one client, available to all for the same good 15euros/dollars per month. I hope that CCP like with EVE Voice will decide that the family (EVE playerbase) and its trust is the most important, not monies.

When I started playing this game in 2005 CCP said all expansions will be free and everything will sit in one client - a portal into the world of EVE. If you will rip me (and some other people) of that comfort - we will eventually quit.

Nuhm DeAra
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:26:00 - [249]
 

Originally by: Kaivix
Could of been worst

We could of been forced to use Games for Windows Live to play EVE because
that obviously what MS would of wanted.


COULD HAVE

OH MY FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER.

Helmut 314
Amarr
Unladen Swallow Research Institute
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:30:00 - [250]
 

Oh stop whining. Dust is basically a game where you play a minion, an insignificant bug in comparison to our podborne glory.

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:30:00 - [251]
 

Edited by: Skippermonkey on 07/06/2011 14:31:48
FEED THE THREADNAUGHT WITH POSTS TO QUENCH SATISFY ITS HUNGER!

(posts are not a liquid, silly)

Josefine Etrange
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:32:00 - [252]
 

Originally by: Slate Shoa
so, if EVE is to interact with Dust 514... what happens when the next generation of consoles comes out? The interaction dies?

Should have made it a PC game...


They release a new client, that simple. But not for Microsoft as long as microsoft is charging them for every update and does not allow their network code.
MS screwed up, and because of this ccp screwed up as well, as they are missing now one major platform. Interesting question will be: How long will be dust exclusive, how much time does ccp shanghai need to release a wii2 client?

MeBiatch
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:32:00 - [253]
 

if you guys take some time and think about it you will see why its logical that ccp excluded computer and other consols when making Dust 514... if you have ever played multi player FPS you would know that on a computer fps you are playing against other comps only or if its ps3 you are playing against other ps3 or same for xbox...

there would be less of a problem if the servers were able to talk over xbox ps3 and computers... but they dont...

Eve is a single shard game... if dust 514 was on the x-box, ps3 and computers there would be 3 different servers and this would take away from the one universe aspect of the Eve Universe...

So in the end i think CCP made the right choice in picking the PS3 as its a much better system then the xbox as i have both...

furthermore i am happy that so many eve players have zero interest in playing dust as we still need people to play eve and i have so many friends who have no interest in playing eve but are super excited to play Dust...

So for all those people complaining... if you dont like it then deal with it... life aint fair... otherwise life would be called fair and not life...

Josefine Etrange
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:38:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: MeBiatch
if you guys take some time and think about it you will see why its logical that ccp excluded computer and other consols when making Dust 514... if you have ever played multi player FPS you would know that on a computer fps you are playing against other comps only or if its ps3 you are playing against other ps3 or same for xbox...

there would be less of a problem if the servers were able to talk over xbox ps3 and computers... but they dont...

Eve is a single shard game... if dust 514 was on the x-box, ps3 and computers there would be 3 different servers and this would take away from the one universe aspect of the Eve Universe...

So in the end i think CCP made the right choice in picking the PS3 as its a much better system then the xbox as i have both...

furthermore i am happy that so many eve players have zero interest in playing dust as we still need people to play eve and i have so many friends who have no interest in playing eve but are super excited to play Dust...

So for all those people complaining... if you dont like it then deal with it... life aint fair... otherwise life would be called fair and not life...


No, you are wrong and should be ignored. Technical its no magic to connect a ps3, xbox and pc ego shooter on the same server. Sharing just a few data base servers of eveonline and dust is even less of an issue. MS not able to give ccp a special contract for xbox live services is a real problem. CCP not able to check in advanced licence problems and not able to come up with a dust version which actually pays of for upgrades is another problem.

Anyway it seems to me, that most are anyway forgetting that dust 514 is a free2play microtransaction game, so most here would anyway not like it.

Rrama Ratamnim
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:44:00 - [255]
 

http://www.osnews.com/story/24820/Sony_Compromised_Again

Wow what next more free apology games

Thanks for choosing Sony ccp

Kristina Elbina
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:45:00 - [256]
 

Originally by: MeBiatch
if you guys take some time and think about it you will see why its logical that ccp excluded computer and other consols when making Dust 514... if you have ever played multi player FPS you would know that on a computer fps you are playing against other comps only or if its ps3 you are playing against other ps3 or same for xbox...

there would be less of a problem if the servers were able to talk over xbox ps3 and computers... but they dont...

Eve is a single shard game... if dust 514 was on the x-box, ps3 and computers there would be 3 different servers and this would take away from the one universe aspect of the Eve Universe...

So in the end i think CCP made the right choice in picking the PS3 as its a much better system then the xbox as i have both...

furthermore i am happy that so many eve players have zero interest in playing dust as we still need people to play eve and i have so many friends who have no interest in playing eve but are super excited to play Dust...

So for all those people complaining... if you dont like it then deal with it... life aint fair... otherwise life would be called fair and not life...


That's only partially true. However like DC Universe Online, having the same kind of game on a single console and PC is another story. That game features simultaneous PS3 and PC server connectivity. There's no logic behind why if the game was on at least one console AND the PC that it would suddenly have to cease being on a single server. Cross-consoles end up becoming a battle between the two console developers in rights, but one console to PC is entirely different.

That's why Dust, for the moment, can theoretically work between the single console and PC, and why on multiple consoles it could end up becoming an issue. However there is no reason why Dust could not also be released on PC, except for the reason most developers refuse to do this for current FPS. The balance between PC and console FPS gamers are quite off. PC users would cream console users.

I love FPS... on the PC. I can't play a FPS on the console competitively and enjoy it, because it feels so handicapped and dumbed down. I might try Dust at some point, but it would probably have been a sure-buy if it were released on PC. I'd also shell out for another subscription if it was so required.

MeBiatch
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:56:00 - [257]
 

Originally by: Kristina Elbina
That's only partially true. However like DC Universe Online, having the same kind of game on a single console and PC is another story. That game features simultaneous PS3 and PC server connectivity. There's no logic behind why if the game was on at least one console AND the PC that it would suddenly have to cease being on a single server. Cross-consoles end up becoming a battle between the two console developers in rights, but one console to PC is entirely different.

That's why Dust, for the moment, can theoretically work between the single console and PC, and why on multiple consoles it could end up becoming an issue. However there is no reason why Dust could not also be released on PC, except for the reason most developers refuse to do this for current FPS. The balance between PC and console FPS gamers are quite off. PC users would cream console users.

I love FPS... on the PC. I can't play a FPS on the console competitively and enjoy it, because it feels so handicapped and dumbed down. I might try Dust at some point, but it would probably have been a sure-buy if it were released on PC. I'd also shell out for another subscription if it was so required.


interesting... yeah if they did realease it for pc's and had them share the same server you would have to add in auto aim and stuff to off set the advantage that PC's will have over consols...

but consols fps are not that bad... i used to hate them untill i played "black" for the ps2 which won me over... I was an pc fps from wolfenstein to cod...
but cod mod warfare 2 was an awesome game for consols...

anywho there are alot more consol players out there then pc players... pc games are still a little tabboo and not too cool with the ladies... but everyone has a consol... and i know enough girls who love halo/cod... so having this for ps3 is cool with me...
though the micro transaction thing is odd...
can i transfer isk from my eve char to my dust char to pay for all my gooddies or is this what plex is for?

Tess Ataru
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:58:00 - [258]
 

This could have been awesome. Destroyable Enviroments, shooter and mmorpg fusion on pc. Instead we get a console game that looks like an generic 0815 shooter anno 2005.ps3 owners will play it for like 2 months, then get bored and never play it again.
gratz CCP you will fail pretty hard with this one.

quigibow
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:59:00 - [259]
 

Originally by: Josefine Etrange
look at me i am a nerf hurder


shut up Wink

Not-Apsalar
Posted - 2011.06.07 15:07:00 - [260]
 

Originally by: Tess Ataru
This could have been awesome. Destroyable Enviroments, shooter and mmorpg fusion on pc. Instead we get a console game that looks like an generic 0815 shooter anno 2005.ps3 owners will play it for like 2 months, then get bored and never play it again.
gratz CCP you will fail pretty hard with this one.


Doesn't look any different from MAG, and has better vehicles(already).


king curt
Caldari
The Maverick Navy
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.06.07 15:08:00 - [261]
 

Edited by: king curt on 07/06/2011 15:10:06
Originally by: Kristina Elbina


I love FPS... on the PC. I can't play a FPS on the console competitively and enjoy it, because it feels so handicapped and dumbed down. I might try Dust at some point, but it would probably have been a sure-buy if it were released on PC. I'd also shell out for another subscription if it was so required.


^^^This. Too bad too. Maybe we will see a PC release, maybe.....some.....day.....

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.07 15:09:00 - [262]
 

The fact of the matter is once Dust comes out we WILL be forced to agree to a new privacy agreement.

This is the only way they can get the economy from both games to merge into one. Things like user names and account information will be shared with the PSN. No matter what CCP says.

When that day comes lulzsec is going to have a flopping field day with all the personal information and passwords stored in plain freaking text.


Just imagine a bunch of aimbotters running around with 9999999999 isk and then they transfer that 999999999999 isk into the eve economy, fail storm imminent.

Not-Apsalar
Posted - 2011.06.07 15:21:00 - [263]
 

Originally by: Xenuria



Just imagine a bunch of aimbotters running around with 9999999999 isk and then they transfer that 999999999999 isk into the eve economy, fail storm imminent.


Err, you realize that Sony won't be hosting the database. And I see way more aimbots/wallhacks on XBL than on PSN.

CCP Sreegs

Posted - 2011.06.07 15:22:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: Max Gades


notice the "we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony" and think about it... that right there means what you just stated hold no weight. unless they officaly state that they will not publicly there is half of the eve community that has no peace of mind over this. think about it for a few.


Note also in the linked quote that I state that if we were to change that stance you would be notified...

Hannibal Ord
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.06.07 15:33:00 - [265]
 

Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Max Gades


notice the "we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony" and think about it... that right there means what you just stated hold no weight. unless they officaly state that they will not publicly there is half of the eve community that has no peace of mind over this. think about it for a few.


Note also in the linked quote that I state that if we were to change that stance you would be notified...


Don't worry Sreegs, to be honest most people know that the sharing of EVE account player information to PSN is not going to happen, or at least is very unlikely to happen.

We are really just ****ed off that PC/Xbox 360 players just got shafted in the arse.

I can live with that though, it's more annoying that Incarna is going to screw up EVE by making me have to load the CQ whenever I forget to put ammo in the cargo hold, and I will no longer have the glory of ship spinning.

That said, keep up the good work collecting Botter tears.

Alexzandros
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:06:00 - [266]
 

Edited by: Alexzandros on 07/06/2011 16:07:37
After reading through this thread, which by my math, is 95% negative... I think this is a decision that was;

A) Poorly thought through
B) Misrepresented to the community at large
C) Not run through CSM - granted the veil of "This isn't eve, it's a separate product" probably covers that
D) A decision I think the community at large would like CCP Hilmar (sp?) to weigh in on after reading this post and the other Linkage

You've created an "expansion" for lack of a better term, that is exclusive to one console, that from the looks of it, 90%+ of your player base does not own. Therefore, you must be trying to compete with existing FPS/Strategy games to gain new subscribers in an arena of which you have no experience. So you've either created the worlds most expensive expansion to date (and I thought wow was expensive back in the day), or you've just gone mad and no longer care about the success of your company.

Edit w/Question: Did you guys do any research to find out what consoles your player base already owns?

Koramok
Amarr
Cold Carbon Institute
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:10:00 - [267]
 

Just wanted to add my fiery flames of outrage to this burning inferno. PS3 exclusive? That's it, time to break out the torches and pitchforks. BURN! Evil or Very Mad

Phigmeta
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:12:00 - [268]
 

Edited by: Phigmeta on 07/06/2011 16:21:33
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Herping yourDerp
call me crazy, but US and EU are the largest eve market... and based on that, 360 would make the most sense.
Perhaps. But Microsoft didn't want the business. vOv
Quote:
do people in japan even play eve
They're about 1%, according to wikipedia, if you trust that number…



OK seriously ya PS3/CCP apologist; where do you get the "MS didn't want it" bull****? its like you tell yourself a lie untill it becomes true.

Have any of you considered that the real reason is because CCP wanted to use their fail currency (AUR) and they really just want to bilk you poor idiots out of more cash?

CCP in the past year has been getting more and more greedy every since they found out how much cash they can make from PLEX.

First it was PLEX for ETC then it was "wait wait ... your making way to much in anoms...." then it was the "war" against bots, now its pretty clothes, screw you ... if ya want to jump somewhere effectively go buy another supercapital, and console pew pew for daddys little rich kid

The whole thing is making me sick and thats why my subs are all being let to expire.


Lord Mudekai
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:18:00 - [269]
 

Well I for one think it being a PS3 exclusive is a bad decision on CCp's part, even tho I do own PC(obviously), Wii, PS3 and 360, the 360 to me would be the console to go with to be exclusive on any console especially since it already comes with a built in way to speak with your teamates. But also they are limiting their fanbase doing so, I for one will not be buying Dust as I prefer Team type games on the 360.
Thumbs up tho CCP, Great job on such a fail idea!

Phigmeta
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:24:00 - [270]
 

Originally by: Prince of Nigeria
>My face when 90% of the people in here don't understand that Microsoft would never tolerate CCPs free content scheme
>http://myfacewhen.com/40/



Uhmm what free content ?

Newsflash genius .... your paying 14 USD each month for this game ... that makes it one of the most expensive games you will ever buy.


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