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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.06.22 04:25:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: Soden Rah
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
once again Akita calls it.

You'd almost think they'd use his comments as a start to an internal vetting process prior to release.

If they can't reach a 90% consensus internally that the issues he raises are insignificant (with people from other development teams doing the vetting..not those that designed the features) they should postone release or adopt something that meets suggestions somewhere in the middle between original intent and his suggestions.

He's not infalliable though..

Akita lost the bet on the mineral price basket before the simialtaneus changes in insurance and mission loot drops . CCP balancing department did manage to pin the drop rates or have sufficient tools in place to make adjustments to make it work. (there were other issues like the rise of mission botting instead of mining botting but still the point is that the doom forcast did not arise.. or perhaps the change encouraged the rat-bot problem?)



Well listening and responding to the feedback of the many people who test stuff on SiSi and post in test server feedback would be nice.
We may not be as famous as Akita... but we caught a lot of the issues everyone is complaining about up to weeks ago (not had long to actually test on Duality/SiSi.)



Yeah .... sorry about that... there are many other voices of wisdom , many who put things in a more graceful , less extremist way .

I just like to ponder how decisions get made as much as anything and it's sometimes baffling to me . (lets create a very high resolution avatar that moves less smoothly than things gamers have been accustomed to for over 10 years and release it when it can only sit in a locked room ?)

I don't think people really "get" me. MMO's are a fascination of mine, as are lots of other things. ... I sort of like to guess at motives for why people do the things they do, and how social, legal, and organizational structures alter end results like a concrete berm might affect teh flow of a river.

The outcome is only a fraction of my interest, and my comments aren't really gripes but sort of what i'll admit is arm chair quaterbacking (you should hear me watching a football game talkinga about what a coach or quarterback did correctly or what they hypothetically could have done.. or what in hindsight was a mistake, or what they should do in the next drive... thats how I enjoy watching American football.

Stick Cult
Posted - 2011.06.22 04:32:00 - [212]
 

For serious: bring back the old station environment as an option, CQ is cool and all, but sometimes, especially when dualboxing, I want the old environment.

Tyana Oro
Akashwani
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:04:00 - [213]
 

Where is the pod goo ?

bob Regyri
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:29:00 - [214]
 

Support the ability to keep the old environment!

CQ is getting in the way of the pew pew! if eves not about the pew pew then what is it?

Sathiran Endis
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:08:00 - [215]
 

+1, CQ makes even the most routine and simple task more complicated - more clicks or walking to open a cargo, drone bay, but it's even worse now when the CQ is off, you have to do everything via ships menu. Oh and there's no way to see your active ship other than fitting screen. So when dualboxing, you have to make a lot of guesses to do things that were very simple in the previous versions... Also CCP give us back rotating ships in hangar!

LordInvisible
Gallente
Nova Ardour
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:21:00 - [216]
 

Not only old environment was easier on our PCs, it was also more agile and less hassle to get stuff done.

Where is double click to open ships cargo? Where is drag and drop onto ship? I cannot spin my ship anymore!!

Tarasina
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:28:00 - [217]
 

Incarna is a totally new game in Eve. You can walk around, you can click graphical windows...best game evah!

/Sarcasm

Ship-spinning was more exciting than Incarna, now that feature is gone. What ever happened to iterating?

Forcing Incarna down our throats? Good luck with that...

Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:32:00 - [218]
 

In the moment, when CQ will be mandatory, I will cancel both of my account.

Give us back the old hangar!

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:00:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Diomedes Calypso

I just like to ponder how decisions get made as much as anything and it's sometimes baffling to me .


Take into account that DUST was good as finished a long time ago, cost a lot of money, and is on the shelf while they have to go further on the integration at time of launch.

DUST can not be released until they have a functioning Incarna.

Add this pressure buildup to your thinking and it will be less baffling.

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:43:00 - [220]
 

/support

Quote:
Hell, ideally entering CQ would be a button in the old hangar !

ELementX Creator
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:10:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Sathiran Endis
+1, CQ makes even the most routine and simple task more complicated - more clicks or walking to open a cargo, drone bay, but it's even worse now when the CQ is off, you have to do everything via ships menu. Oh and there's no way to see your active ship other than fitting screen. So when dualboxing, you have to make a lot of guesses to do things that were very simple in the previous versions... Also CCP give us back rotating ships in hangar!

+2 i hope they'll read this.

Alucard Shadows
Mystic Legion
Darkmatter Initiative
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:40:00 - [222]
 

If people would have gone round saying oh this new patch is pretty cool, its everything the player has needed I'd be okay with not been able to play. But because there's a allot of people saying wtf is this piece of turd you just dropped on my door step that ****es me off.

Im pretty sure that CCP has lost a fair amount of players who helped this game grow, who probably spend 8 years worth of cash on eve only to be told bye bye, you've done your time here, now go, pretty much after been told I quote from here

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"Please note that although we are discontinuing support of Shader Model 2 we will not actively block those cards from running the client. It is therefore possible that players with that hardware will be able to run EVE for some time afterward. We do, however, urge them to update their graphics cards as soon as possible."

If this isnt activly blocking then wtf do you call not been able to enter the game CCP?

And for these new players who have only played a few weeks too, I feel sorry for them that went out and bought plexes and GTC, without no warning that SM3 was going to be implemented.

Last time I checked this was a space MMORPG where you go around blowing up stuff, making isk getting bigger ships, corps, etc, not some sims dress up game where people look in the mirror for days deciding which shade of deformed looks best on there face.

You should probably talk to Sony as well about linking up with them to do the sims side of eve too and get back to focusing on what this game is really about

LiquidatorBrunt
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:40:00 - [223]
 

i would also like to voice my concerns that this is just a gimmick, and I am perfectly happy with it if it is OPTIONAL

it was pretty fun for 5 minutes as I went through my ships but I am bored of it now and it makes my 3 clients run slow :(((

LiquidatorBrunt
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:43:00 - [224]
 

omg i take that back apparently this ****ing update means I now need shader model 3, well thank you ccp

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:06:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: LiquidatorBrunt
omg i take that back apparently this ****ing update means I now need shader model 3, well thank you ccp

Well, to be fair, they were considering requiring shader model 3 cards over a year ago, and they delayed it quite a while.
You MIGHT be able to run an "emulation" of SM3 via the bit of software called 3D-Analyze though.
And for now, as long as they don't remove the "don't load CQ" option YET, it should sort of work halfway decently.

Maken Cheese
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:09:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: bob Regyri
if eves not about the pew pew then what is it?


Dressing up your dolls. IN SPACE.

Slatiska Wolfovna
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:11:00 - [227]
 

If only we could dress it up, but at these prices...

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:20:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: Maken Cheese
Originally by: bob Regyri
if eves not about the pew pew then what is it?

Dressing up your dolls. IN SPACE.

With virtual clothes that cost more than some similar REAL LIFE clothes Laughing

Valeria Crossroads
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:04:00 - [229]
 

Edited by: Valeria Crossroads on 22/06/2011 13:07:22

If i wanted a doll house i would have played Barbie online. Evil or Very Mad

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:11:00 - [230]
 

I think CQ is cool and a step towards something which can become awesome. Sadly, my hardware is not up to these demands so I turned it off right away, leaving me looking at a bland and boring screen and making me Crying or Very sad, but at least it is working.

My only concern is that if they make CQ mandatory I will have to upgrade my 2-year-old machine, which was respectable if not state of the art at the time, which I can't afford to do.
I don't want to stop playing EVE, but there is a limit to how much RL cash I can afford to spend on this game.
I can only imagine what the laptop players are going trough with their generally crappy graphics cards. My sympathies.

So yes, all proposals strongly supported.

KilABitcH
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:17:00 - [231]
 

Edited by: KilA***** on 22/06/2011 13:18:56
I support OP all the way!

Shikal
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:22:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Scorpii Orion
Originally by: Akita T
botwhine
Just NO!

Kill the BOTS!

Force CQ!

Only botters use crappy PC's and good enough PC costs like 150$ and even in Africa they can afford on that.


So, you live in Africa, like in the slums of Nairobi? And you earn more then US$ 150,00 a week, in Africa? Yuh must be one of dem bwad bways, huh

Sragir
Kshatriyas
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:29:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Louis deGuerre
I think CQ is cool and a step towards something which can become awesome. Sadly, my hardware is not up to these demands so I turned it off right away, leaving me looking at a bland and boring screen and making me Crying or Very sad, but at least it is working.

My only concern is that if they make CQ mandatory I will have to upgrade my 2-year-old machine, which was respectable if not state of the art at the time, which I can't afford to do.
I don't want to stop playing EVE, but there is a limit to how much RL cash I can afford to spend on this game.
I can only imagine what the laptop players are going trough with their generally crappy graphics cards. My sympathies.

So yes, all proposals strongly supported.


Totally agreeing with you.
Only I had to abandon EVE on my pc (which I bought nearly 7 years ago,when I started to play EVE) after the Incursion patch.

Since then playing on my laptop , with a crappy graphic chip. Will see for how long.

Arya Greywolf
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:48:00 - [234]
 

Ready...CCP? I just spent the last week with a group of 10 scientists figuring out a way to make everyone happy, while allowing you to keep your CQ. It took a lot of coffee, hard work, and deep theory.

From what my scientists tell me (forgive me because it's extreme science and involves many complicated equations) apparently you can create a button that lets you load the hanger view TWO different ways.

They claim it is very simple, but I'm not sure if I believe them. Anyway, the scientists - screw it, this is so dumb...

CCP give us the option to enable the OLD HANGER VIEW!

Ghurthe
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:50:00 - [235]
 

Edited by: Ghurthe on 22/06/2011 13:50:37
Give us the old hangar view, re-enable older video cards to log in.

Or at least stop the game from simply telling us 'No you can't even try to load the game'

Zief
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:57:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: Xurr
I support this thread as well.

If CCP wants to play barbie dolls for plex fine. Leave me out.


Well put sir. Give us a big "leave us out" button on the neocom.

Also support this thread, +1

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:58:00 - [237]
 

…and for the ubiquitous (and inevitable, should they ever answer) counter-argument that they don't want to maintain two different sets of graphical assets, I'd like to see CCP perform and report back on¹ the following experiment:

Create a CQLite view that loads the absolute bare minimum. No actual quarters. No room textures. No screens, no mirror, no fancy lights, no character model, no balcony… nothing except the hangar and the ship and the auxiliary assets to display them. Then check the loading time and memory footprint of that compared to loading the entire CQ.

No need to duplicate anything. Yes, a tiny need to maintain a different content load path (but not a different render path). But the graphics assets will remain the same and any update and to them will automagically propagate to the Lite view.


¹ …and yes, I know. Reporting back is the thing CCP is apparently gengineered not to do, but come on guys — you can fight the urge!

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:06:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Tippia
…and for the ubiquitous (and inevitable, should they ever answer) counter-argument that they don't want to maintain two different sets of graphical assets, I'd like to see CCP perform and report back on¹ the following experiment:

Create a CQLite view that loads the absolute bare minimum. No actual quarters. No room textures. No screens, no mirror, no fancy lights, no character model, no balcony… nothing except the hangar and the ship and the auxiliary assets to display them. Then check the loading time and memory footprint of that compared to loading the entire CQ.

No need to duplicate anything. Yes, a tiny need to maintain a different content load path (but not a different render path). But the graphics assets will remain the same and any update and to them will automagically propagate to the Lite view.


¹ …and yes, I know. Reporting back is the thing CCP is apparently gengineered not to do, but come on guys — you can fight the urge!

F* all that!

What they should've done is actually pimp the hangar view to make it look even better and put in the "enter CQ" button everyone is and has been asking for, right away.

If this is all about "immersion" then they need to put their money where their mouth is, literally.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:19:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: MaiLina KaTar

F* all that!

What they should've done is actually pimp the hangar view to make it look even better and put in the "enter CQ" button everyone is and has been asking for, right away.

If this is all about "immersion" then they need to put their money where their mouth is, literally.

Exactly my sentiment.

There is no excuse for the current implementation except for forcing their overpriced trinkets on a captive customer base. I really expected better from CCP.

Manc
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:22:00 - [240]
 

This expansion has done more damage to my will to stop playing EVE than any previous act by CCP.

The guns don't even make up for the blunder that is CQ.

Give me my hold hangar back.

Does CCP care? I don't think so, they're gonna get way more income with this from new players and people buying Monocles with Aurum. For every vet they lose, they gain 5+ new players... as long as they make bank, they don't care.

What you need to do is create an environment that gets people to UNDOCK not one that makes them stay docked more often...

+1 for everything in the OPS post.


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