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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
Posted - 2011.06.22 01:52:00 - [181]
 

CQ loads faster than the station environments did, and you can do everything through the same old UI without taking one step. Not understanding the hate.

Video card overheating? You think this is EVE's fault? lawl

Liva Daril
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.22 01:52:00 - [182]
 

Love the new low res CQ! Cool

And ATM just reduced to random giggles by the Noble shop.

Even CQ doesn´t seem so bad, although most of my multiaccount friends are doing the Cartman "Screw this I´m ..."

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.22 01:56:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2011 01:58:26
Originally by: Kavin Alavandar
Video card overheating? You think this is EVE's fault? lawl

"Overheating" might have been an unfortunate word to use.
But it was shorter than saying "experiencing higher temperatures compared to old hangar view" or "additional heat generated compared to before".
Then again, it was described in detail the very next post, but I guess that's too much to ask for you to read what you're actually deriding.

And yes, it is "EVE's fault". The old hangar view kept the GPU at around 40% usage. CQ kicks it up to 100%.
40% usage generates less heat and eats less power compared to 100% usage.
Q.E.D.

Karsa Egivand
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.22 01:58:00 - [184]
 

Edited by: Karsa Egivand on 22/06/2011 01:59:17
Its fine for me dual-boxing and i dont have a high-end setup. I also could keep multi-tabbed Firefox and Eclipse running in the background. I suspect gfx-RAM is the main-issue, try reducing texture size.

regarding GPU-usage: Every other modern game I run, my GPU is at 100%. I dont really expect to go GPU-subtle when playing games.... Rolling Eyes

Onyx Nightshine
Pro Lucror
Posted - 2011.06.22 01:58:00 - [185]
 

* OPTIONAL BUT HIGHLY DESIRABLE - do not delete the current hangar environments AND make them an alternative (default disabled) via the ESC menu

or, pref and

* MANDATORY - separate the CQ from the non-CQ graphics detail settings into two completely separate groups which you can set differently

seconded

Jerry Pepridge
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:00:00 - [186]
 

is this the thread that akita keeps linking everywhere? i cbf checking

Malice Redeemer
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:01:00 - [187]
 


* add some even lower graphics detail levels for CQ

* Restore the old hangar environments and make them an alternative (default disabled) via the ESC menu

Karsa Egivand
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:03:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: Onyx Nightshine

* separate the CQ from the non-CQ graphics detail settings into two completely separate groups which you can set differently



That does make a lot of sense.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:04:00 - [189]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2011 02:05:09
Originally by: Karsa Egivand
Its fine for me dual-boxing and i dont have a high-end setup. I also could keep multi-tabbed Firefox and Eclipse running in the background. I suspect gfx-RAM is the main-issue, try reducing texture size.

Depends what you mean by "fine".

I'm getting 60-ish FPS with max possible detail in a 1600x1024 window, with 100% GPU usage, at 46C above ambient.
But at the same time, in the old hangar view, I used to get either 230 FPS (interval immediate) or a very steady 85 FPS with video card temp at only 30C above ambient and around 40% GPU usage.

I want to be able to maintain the same low GPU usage (and video card teperature, and electric power usage) if I want to by reducing CQ graphics detail while NOT altering "in-space" graphic detail.
I would like it even more if CQ as a whole would be optional.

Originally by: Karsa Egivand
Originally by: Onyx Nightshine
* separate the CQ from the non-CQ graphics detail settings into two completely separate groups which you can set differently

That does make a lot of sense.

It's kind of in the OP...

Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:05:00 - [190]
 

No really, WHAT THE HELL CCP? Incarna is GOOD (in the future perhaps) but FORCING it upon is just to test the uber crap sluggish environment is AWFUL, also the lack of a proper NON INCARNA environment is just adding insult to injury. I very rarely agree with akita, but he's right, control is awful, the room itself is just an useless timesink (in a game where you have thousands of those already) And forcing everything to be "doable" by WALKING TO a screen to do it , as you jerkily move around in a drugged state is awful.

It's your game blah blah, you want to fleece money from us blah blah, good good, but gives us the choice to not load your Millions of $$$ research and man hour "creation" to simply experience the game as it WAS as you turn the awful Incarna environment into a more streamlined client. I have a pretty decent rig and it's not about gpu lag or lack of memory, game is just sluggish, the environment is for some reason a kind of CRYSIS test module.

FIne tune it, but in the interim please give us back ship spinning for the sake of faster redeployment and more efficient use.

I don't berate INCARNA, I honestly still believe it will bring good things to the game, but not now. Also don't FORCE US to use it. If EVE went F2P I would understand it, but not now.

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:05:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: Karsa Egivand
Originally by: Onyx Nightshine

* separate the CQ from the non-CQ graphics detail settings into two completely separate groups which you can set differently



That does make a lot of sense.


yes, that is why ccp responded to that point like THIS

Originally by: CCP Manifest
Can we have separate graphics settings for the two totally different environments CQ/Incarna and Hanger/space?
Why would this matter to you? You were prefer higher graphics in station and lower ones outside I am guessing? Not a bad idea, but I don't know what goes into programming that sort of thing.



Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:07:00 - [192]
 

once again Akita calls it.

You'd almost think they'd use his comments as a start to an internal vetting process prior to release.

If they can't reach a 90% consensus internally that the issues he raises are insignificant (with people from other development teams doing the vetting..not those that designed the features) they should postone release or adopt something that meets suggestions somewhere in the middle between original intent and his suggestions.

He's not infalliable though..

Akita lost the bet on the mineral price basket before the simialtaneus changes in insurance and mission loot drops . CCP balancing department did manage to pin the drop rates or have sufficient tools in place to make adjustments to make it work. (there were other issues like the rise of mission botting instead of mining botting but still the point is that the doom forcast did not arise.. or perhaps the change encouraged the rat-bot problem?)

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:12:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
once again Akita calls it.

You'd almost think they'd use his comments as a start to an internal vetting process prior to release.

If they can't reach a 90% consensus internally that the issues he raises are insignificant (with people from other development teams doing the vetting..not those that designed the features) they should postone release or adopt something that meets suggestions somewhere in the middle between original intent and his suggestions.

He's not infalliable though..

Akita lost the bet on the mineral price basket before the simialtaneus changes in insurance and mission loot drops . CCP balancing department did manage to pin the drop rates or have sufficient tools in place to make adjustments to make it work. (there were other issues like the rise of mission botting instead of mining botting but still the point is that the doom forcast did not arise.. or perhaps the change encouraged the rat-bot problem?)



Well listening and responding to the feedback of the many people who test stuff on SiSi and post in test server feedback would be nice.
We may not be as famous as Akita... but we caught a lot of the issues everyone is complaining about up to weeks ago (not had long to actually test on Duality/SiSi.)

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:12:00 - [194]
 

CQ was 'kinda cool' for maybe 5 minutes or so. If I never see it again I won't miss it. Is that really what CCP has been spending all of its development resources on instead of making the best (but oh WAY far from perfect) Internet Spaceships game even better (less buggy even?)

Maybe CCP could sell me my old avatar back. I'd pay a few aurum for that.

The only thing that isn't horrible about this expansion is that they haven't seemed to have broken something in the economy to the tune of tens or hundreds of billions of ISK, but if I wait a few hours I'm sure I'll discover that they have.

Recently we had someone dethroned in a contest that they dominated for a while. Yes, I'm talking about Hydra dethroning CCP as the biggest douches in EVE. But CCP has reclaimed the throne, much sooner than anybody anticipated.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:12:00 - [195]
 

This was so obvious that you'd hope people in CCP said "this is ****ing dumb".

We can hope that it was just the management who are trying so hard to kill this game off.

Either way it's only getting worse.

Jerry Pepridge
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:13:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
once again Akita calls it.

You'd almost think they'd use his comments as a start to an internal vetting process prior to release.

If they can't reach a 90% consensus internally that the issues he raises are insignificant (with people from other development teams doing the vetting..not those that designed the features) they should postone release or adopt something that meets suggestions somewhere in the middle between original intent and his suggestions.

He's not infalliable though..

Akita lost the bet on the mineral price basket before the simialtaneus changes in insurance and mission loot drops . CCP balancing department did manage to pin the drop rates or have sufficient tools in place to make adjustments to make it work. (there were other issues like the rise of mission botting instead of mining botting but still the point is that the doom forcast did not arise.. or perhaps the change encouraged the rat-bot problem?)


is akita giving you reach around fanboi?

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:15:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
CQ was 'kinda cool' for maybe 5 minutes or so. If I never see it again I won't miss it. Is that really what CCP has been spending all of its development resources on instead of making the best (but oh WAY far from perfect) Internet Spaceships game even better (less buggy even?)



You must remember that Incarna has very little to do with EveOnline.

It's a beta test for World of Darkness so it doesn't really matter if it is a waste of time for Eve.


Locii
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:16:00 - [198]
 

ive spent my whole evening telling my corp members how to turn off the station environment.

please leave that option there

Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:17:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
once again Akita calls it.

You'd almost think they'd use his comments as a start to an internal vetting process prior to release.

If they can't reach a 90% consensus internally that the issues he raises are insignificant (with people from other development teams doing the vetting..not those that designed the features) they should postone release or adopt something that meets suggestions somewhere in the middle between original intent and his suggestions.

He's not infalliable though..

Akita lost the bet on the mineral price basket before the simialtaneus changes in insurance and mission loot drops . CCP balancing department did manage to pin the drop rates or have sufficient tools in place to make adjustments to make it work. (there were other issues like the rise of mission botting instead of mining botting but still the point is that the doom forcast did not arise.. or perhaps the change encouraged the rat-bot problem?)


Didnt you read the latest CCP analysis? They are as fractured as bone from a clown rodeo driver badly welded again by a poor cellular regeneration process that leaves the bone deformed and makes the appendage useless.

For some reason the HIger ups at CCP think everything is alright, the middle ups each work at cross purposes and the lower strata of corporate slaves just barely do the work to avoid getting whipped.

It's obvious that CCP needs a new reorganization of the Company Duties tree with a new way of communication between departmnents.

They just working on so much stuff at so many levels and all them working without real communication. See the nature of the whines of today to the nature of the whines years ago. It was mostly game mechanics, today is sheer EVERYTHING, from Performance Issues, Crashes, PR Fiascos, Lack of Foresight, lame IP protection schemes, and on an on.

Honestly, High ups in the Company really need to step out of their own orifices and smell the air of reality instead of seeing their wallets money.

/rant off


XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:28:00 - [200]
 

You reap what you sow when you employ people like zinfindel.

Demian Starr
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:50:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: Joan Avon
Originally by: Cailais
CQ is the point of sale portal for micro-transactions so I think its very unlikely that CCP will want players to circumvent that marketing tool.

All those screens in CQ are there for a reason - and that reason is to persuade you to get your credit card out. No marketing / sales strategy would want you to miss that vendor space so we can be 99% certain that CQ will be pretty much the only option available.

C.



This.
How is the new micro-transaction market supposed to bring in revenue if people have the option to skip the market itself as well as the main showcase for it's products? that would be like renting a slot in a shopping mall, walling up the entrance from the inside of the mall and putting a new one in the back alley behind the mall. ugh


The people that will disable CQ wouldn't buy micro transasction items anyways so what the point forcing it on them.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:52:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Demian Starr

The people that will disable CQ wouldn't buy micro transasction items anyways so what the point forcing it on them.


To get them to buy microtransactions, of course!

Ping Pong Wong
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:52:00 - [203]
 

I don't understand why you poor people are whining about this its a great change personally it keeps my room hotter a few degree which I can definitely feel and is something I had not experienced since I had to ditch my athlon xp palomino core 10 years ago. And its so beautiful.

Good videocard I highly recommend it it has a 30$ rebate and for a limited time a FREE copy of photoshop elements which is rad if you want to modify the screenshots you take in CQ's. Takes about 2sec to load with 2 of those SLI'd.

Zora'e
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:55:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Ping Pong Wong
I don't understand why you poor people are whining about this its a great change personally it keeps my room hotter a few degree which I can definitely feel and is something I had not experienced since I had to ditch my athlon xp palomino core 10 years ago. And its so beautiful.

Good videocard I highly recommend it it has a 30$ rebate and for a limited time a FREE copy of photoshop elements which is rad if you want to modify the screenshots you take in CQ's. Takes about 2sec to load with 2 of those SLI'd.


I've bought CARS cheaper than that.

Ping Pong Wong
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:57:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Zora'e
Originally by: Ping Pong Wong
I don't understand why you poor people are whining about this its a great change personally it keeps my room hotter a few degree which I can definitely feel and is something I had not experienced since I had to ditch my athlon xp palomino core 10 years ago. And its so beautiful.

Good videocard I highly recommend it it has a 30$ rebate and for a limited time a FREE copy of photoshop elements which is rad if you want to modify the screenshots you take in CQ's. Takes about 2sec to load with 2 of those SLI'd.


I've bought CARS cheaper than that.

Was it made of cardboard or the little hot wheels ones?

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:58:00 - [206]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 22/06/2011 02:58:19
Originally by: Demian Starr
The people that will disable CQ wouldn't buy micro transasction items anyways so what the point forcing it on them.


That IS the point of forcing (apart from testing World of Darkness).

Idiots who want to play barbie will be laughed at too hard if it's only them who sees their new clothes.
Without everyone being forced into this load of crap, it would turn into a massive joke and never go anywhere.

edit: Yet it didn't work and this garbage is just as much a joke as it always was.

Portmanteau
Gallente
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.22 03:01:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Hannibal Ord
Another point is that for gods sake, ship spinning is as iconic as the Raven hull or Aura saying "Warp drive Active" or something like that. Do we really want it gone? I will miss it.


this...i already hate CQ, do not force it upon CCP pls

Zora'e
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.22 03:01:00 - [208]
 

Edited by: Zora''e on 22/06/2011 03:02:39
Originally by: Ping Pong Wong
Originally by: Zora'e
Originally by: Ping Pong Wong
I don't understand why you poor people are whining about this its a great change personally it keeps my room hotter a few degree which I can definitely feel and is something I had not experienced since I had to ditch my athlon xp palomino core 10 years ago. And its so beautiful.

Good videocard I highly recommend it it has a 30$ rebate and for a limited time a FREE copy of photoshop elements which is rad if you want to modify the screenshots you take in CQ's. Takes about 2sec to load with 2 of those SLI'd.


I've bought CARS cheaper than that.

Was it made of cardboard or the little hot wheels ones?


Naw, 1977 Toyota Cellica and a 1987 Honda Prelude. Both running and would pass emissions. Bodies.. not so great, but no rust. Interiors, not so great but not trashed either. I Wrecked the Cellica in the process of avoiding a multi car pileup (drove it into a concrete retaining wall as my only option to not broadside a car full of kids and tore off the left front wheel assembly), and the Honda got stolen and wrecked by some jacked up dope fiend.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.22 03:03:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: Demian Starr
Originally by: Joan Avon
This.
How is the new micro-transaction market supposed to bring in revenue if people have the option to skip the market itself as well as the main showcase for it's products? that would be like renting a slot in a shopping mall, walling up the entrance from the inside of the mall and putting a new one in the back alley behind the mall. ugh
The people that will disable CQ wouldn't buy micro transasction items anyways so what the point forcing it on them.
And even beyond that…

How is the MT market supposed to bring in revenue when there is no point in having vanity items that no-one will see and which therefore will fail to feed that vanity? How is it going to create a market when the pricing structure is such that there is exactly zero room for a secondary market because going that route is both more costly and more cumbersome?

Without a secondary market, the velocity of these items will be close to zero, and there will be no need to move them about so none will be destroyed, which only serves to further depress the demand and drastically reduce the need to sink more PLEX into the store.

Everything about this is wrong-headed. ugh

Captain Torgo
The Geedunk Expedition
Posted - 2011.06.22 03:30:00 - [210]
 

Edited by: Captain Torgo on 22/06/2011 03:36:06
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Demian Starr
Originally by: Joan Avon
This.
How is the new micro-transaction market supposed to bring in revenue if people have the option to skip the market itself as well as the main showcase for it's products? that would be like renting a slot in a shopping mall, walling up the entrance from the inside of the mall and putting a new one in the back alley behind the mall. ugh
The people that will disable CQ wouldn't buy micro transasction items anyways so what the point forcing it on them.
And even beyond that…

How is the MT market supposed to bring in revenue when there is no point in having vanity items that no-one will see and which therefore will fail to feed that vanity? How is it going to create a market when the pricing structure is such that there is exactly zero room for a secondary market because going that route is both more costly and more cumbersome?

Without a secondary market, the velocity of these items will be close to zero, and there will be no need to move them about so none will be destroyed, which only serves to further depress the demand and drastically reduce the need to sink more PLEX into the store.

Everything about this is wrong-headed. ugh

It's all wrong-headed because CQ is unkind to people with mid to lower end PC's (which is a LOT of players). The RL economy is in a slump. Many people are on shoestring budgets. Players cannot go running out purchasing upgrades/new computers every time CCP raises the games PC requirements.

Now CCP wants to create a MT market ingame that solely relies on a new game mechanic that many of the players struggle just to run? Bad bad bad Mad

CCP is in a tough spot now:

-Keep CQ mandatory means many players will have to leave the game. Can't play = no point in subscription. The MT market and the overall game itself suffers from a mass exodus of players.

-Make CQ optional means MT purchases are a waste. Nobody can see their vanity items. What's the point of a vanity item if nobody else can see it?

-A compromise. Dumb down the CQ graphics to the point where all players who currently play EvE (pre CQ EvE) won't need to upgrade or purchase a new PC. As much as it pains me to say it, simple LotRO/WHO/DDO/Game-That-We-Do-Not-Speak-Of graphics would be about right.


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