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Nomad Quento
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.03 12:09:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Nomad Quento on 03/09/2011 14:40:19
Edited by: Nomad Quento on 31/07/2011 09:11:22
Edited by: Nomad Quento on 05/07/2011 01:10:49
Edited by: Nomad Quento on 29/06/2011 23:55:38
Edited by: Nomad Quento on 27/06/2011 00:00:04
Edited by: Nomad Quento on 12/06/2011 22:40:00
Edited by: Nomad Quento on 11/06/2011 19:33:48

Hi fellow traders.

What is EVE-Profit?
It is a webpage concentrating on your performance on the market which means it will calculate the profit on all your market orders. It does take broker fee and tax into consideration and it gives some statistics so you can follow your progress month by month or see your most profitable item. You can merge your characters which give you the possibility to have for example a buy character in Jita and a sell character in another region and see those two characters as one virtual character - calculating the profit for the virtual character.
The webpage is very simple and clean and you can always delete all your information (no history kept).

This new version supports the new API key method which means that you can specify a key to be used only for EVE-Profit ehich only allows the site to view exactly what is needed (it provides you with the access mask needed).

The last few changelogs (newest first):

2011-September-3
* Changed Market Orders so it will not show old/fulfilled orders (Incarna 1.1 API change)
* Changed API key interface to support new API keys (Incarna 1.1 API change)

2011-August-13
* Fixed that it was not possible to create a new merged character without an error
* Fixed the statistics so the profit is shown correctly

2011-August-3
* After database restructure some fields were set to NULL - this has been fixed and the
profit now shows correctly

Webpage: https://eve-profit.com/ (just accept the private SSL certificate)

A little history on myself and my EVE-Profit page (short version).
I have been playing EVE since 2008 but for the last year or so I have been more or less inactive due to lack of interest of EVE... or perhaps I should say I have got other interests instead (build a new house and got a baby - this takes time I tell you!!!). For all the time I have been playing I have been a dedicated trader and I have had a closed personal version of my EVE-Profit page for myself. I decided to open it for the public as I thought others also could benefit from it as I had, so I opened up the page in April 2010. I don't have any big user base but the page is used by others and I am happy to see that (it is a big motivation for me to keep developing it).

EVE-Profit .:: it is all abount profit

// Nomad Quento

Mella Elcus
Posted - 2011.06.03 15:34:00 - [2]
 

Any possibility you could release the source so that people can host it on their own sites?

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.06.03 17:19:00 - [3]
 

Thanks for the update Nomad!

Nomad Quento
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.03 21:32:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Mella Elcus
Any possibility you could release the source so that people can host it on their own sites?
I have had this question in a previous thread so I rip some of the answer from there:

I am not going into the whole deal of providing an installation package and updates of this site, so people can host it themself. This would be much too troublesome for me as I will have to think of backwards compability and "ohh, what if it doesn't work when being upgraded". I can handle it in my own setup and it is more fun this way for me as I can keep track on how many users actually using it (that's a big motivation factor for me too).

Regarding open souce and people contributing then I doubt anyone will check the source code and report back security issues or developing new features. The project is too small for anyone to care to make it secure (which I fully understand) and it wouldn't benefit your name to have contributed.

So... no, this will not be open source.

// Nomad Quento

Caleb Ayrania
Gallente
TarNec
Posted - 2011.06.03 21:40:00 - [5]
 

Another of those sad examples of how trust, or rather the lack there off makes awesome products and features kinda unused..

Granting API to other players sites, with no way to make sure its not abused, seem to be a constant curse of EVE..

Have you considered some sort of middle ground? Maybe a virtual machine running linux with the service/site on it?

Oh and it might be worth considering nanonymity, getting your real life ID out in the open, so people reduce their fear of you abusing their data?

Just a few thoughts..


Nomad Quento
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.03 22:21:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Caleb Ayrania
Another of those sad examples of how trust, or rather the lack there off makes awesome products and features kinda unused..

Granting API to other players sites, with no way to make sure its not abused, seem to be a constant curse of EVE..

Have you considered some sort of middle ground? Maybe a virtual machine running linux with the service/site on it?

Oh and it might be worth considering nanonymity, getting your real life ID out in the open, so people reduce their fear of you abusing their data?

Just a few thoughts..


As you say yourself trust is EVE's biggest ever returning issue. Personally I don't create an user account that requires my full API key without I trust that site and naturally the same goes for my site - don't create an account if you fear your data will be misused. My page has been here for a year now and only time can work in my favour when more people try it out and see for themself if their data is being misused or not (which they are not!). Also as mentioned in another thread, I have already all the ISK I will ever use in EVE (23bn) so I have no motive for misusing any data. Furthermore I am mostly inactive in EVE and have been so for the last many months.

Regarding my anonymity then I think I would like the same anonymity as anyone else on the web. I don't like Google snooping around and caching my real name stuff forever but please do send a feedback or a bugreport on my page, then I will always send a response back with my IRL email address (I have done that with all the feedback I got so far so no secrecy there). Then it is just going backwards and trace that domain and so on, so it really isn't that hard to find out who I am. But I am not sure what that will help trust-vice? Will you trust me more by knowing my real name and if so... why? I would rather say that my EVE history tell you more of who I am than my real name.

If you by virtual machine mean me creating a VMware instance of a running webpage then no way - who would use such a method to get a new version? That's both troublesome for me but certainly also for the end-user as there are at least the merging-my-data issue.

// Nomad Quento

Caleb Ayrania
Gallente
TarNec
Posted - 2011.06.04 16:06:00 - [7]
 

A small suggestion..

To improve the potential value of this product..

Look into whether ccp is creating an Anonymous custumizing feature in the new API.. With that having services using different logins and Aliases would really boost player created service..

Then again that feature might not be easy to create, and might not be on the table just yet..


Todd Hvorostovsky
Posted - 2011.06.05 13:48:00 - [8]
 

Thanks very much for your site, Nomad, I am a big fan!

However, since the upgrade the site seems to be much slower than normal, not sure if this is due to increased use or changes made. Loading my characters wallet usually takes more than 20 minutes now, compared to ~1 minute last week. Nothing appears on the page and firefox states "waiting for eveprofit.com".

Harisdrop
Gallente
Vindicate and Deliverance
Posted - 2011.06.05 14:41:00 - [9]
 

Woot looking forward to a community button where we can see all users active items. I think if we are trusting with the full api we should allow the items we are doing as a community should be passed. We as a group could make much more isk.

Nomad Quento
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.05 14:51:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Todd Hvorostovsky
Thanks very much for your site, Nomad, I am a big fan!

However, since the upgrade the site seems to be much slower than normal, not sure if this is due to increased use or changes made. Loading my characters wallet usually takes more than 20 minutes now, compared to ~1 minute last week. Nothing appears on the page and firefox states "waiting for eveprofit.com".
I have noticed this myself though I don't have this much delay - I am not sure why as I would actully expect it to be quicker due to every character now has his own table instead of one big table with millions of transactions (547 tables now versus 27 before). It is for sure not the increased usage but I will look into it as soon as possible as I have heard it from another user too. I guess it is a ressource problem om my hardware but let's see (too many open files or more memory usage because of multiple tables etc).

Within a week I will delete all the inactive characters and that should free up a few hundred tables and hopefully this will fix the problem for a while if I don't fix it sooner.

// Nomad Quento

Nomad Quento
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.05 15:02:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Harisdrop
Woot looking forward to a community button where we can see all users active items. I think if we are trusting with the full api we should allow the items we are doing as a community should be passed. We as a group could make much more isk.
What would anyone gain from this other than increasing the competition on those items and your profit being smaller? As a trader I would like to keep my money-cow for myself, secretly hidden from anyone else and not share it with the world - I bet any other trader will do the same, so there will not come any "community button" on my page :-)

// Nomad Quento

Todd Hvorostovsky
Posted - 2011.06.07 10:48:00 - [12]
 

Is anyone else experiencing the much longer load times like I am? Once the page loads the countdown to the next update is already less than 30 minutes!

Mu-Shi Ai
The Chrysalis Group
Posted - 2011.06.07 12:51:00 - [13]
 

Actually, the load times for me have been quite fast. I don't know what it was like before, since I just started using the site a few days ago, but I'm not experiencing any wait times that stick out as taking too long. Certainly nothing like 30 minutes.

Todd Hvorostovsky
Posted - 2011.06.07 18:33:00 - [14]
 

Oh, I see. Perhaps I have a lot of transactions per update, although I don't think its that mad at all. I'm not using the virtual character combining thingy, just one character.

(I am character 193 btw.)

Nomad Quento
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.07 20:22:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Todd Hvorostovsky
Is anyone else experiencing the much longer load times like I am? Once the page loads the countdown to the next update is already less than 30 minutes!
I have found a very very slow SQL query which drained the database server for any power but hopefully now it has been fixed. I don't have that much transactions so please let me know if this fixed the problem.

// Nomad Quento

Todd Hvorostovsky
Posted - 2011.06.07 20:38:00 - [16]
 

Thank you very much! The site seems to back to its old self now. I only tried with a small number of transactions, will let you know if I experience issues with larger updates.

I really like the site, without it I was less motivated and made less money.


Nomad Quento
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.09 18:54:00 - [17]
 

I have had a couple of requests if my server could fetch the wallet transactions automatically instead this is only initiated by the player. I am considering this feature but I have a few concerns about it:

1) How many times per day is a reasonable amount of times it should fetch from the EVE API (1-24)? The question is related to how fast can a character overflow the number of max tranactions (I guess it is still 1000 lines)?

2) What is the risk that a player will forget this feature is enabled and instead think someone is misusing the API key?

3) Let's say my site got a lot more users... and all users have enabled this feature, would this still be a good solution to poll every X hours for fx. 1000 users (and will CCP accept this many polls)?

Let me know your thoughts,

// Nomad Quento

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.06.09 18:58:00 - [18]
 

I think its a bad idea for the reasons you described. I know I wouldn't use it, I like the green "just updated" thing too much.

Also, posting to say that I don't want to see a "most traded" list anywhere. I know you said no to that, but still :)


Joxxy
Posted - 2011.06.10 10:01:00 - [19]
 

Love the site mate !

It has all the information I want and need from market tool.
Cheers.

Nomad Quento
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.11 19:35:00 - [20]
 

Bump for site update.

// Nomad Quento

Nomad Quento
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.12 22:41:00 - [21]
 

Yet another small site update (basic statistics).

// Nomad Quento

clixor
Celluloid Gurus
Posted - 2011.06.13 10:36:00 - [22]
 

Just a suggestion, as wobbel from Eve-commander is short on time, why don't you guys work together? Eve-Commander has all the market features required anyway. Together, think it'll be gold. :)

Nomad Quento
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.13 14:52:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: clixor
Just a suggestion, as wobbel from Eve-commander is short on time, why don't you guys work together? Eve-Commander has all the market features required anyway. Together, think it'll be gold. :)
I am sure that you could find a lot of examples where two or more applications would be great to see merged to get the full suite of features - but I will also bet it is rare this actually happens. Developers have certain ways of programming and how they see this or that feature and it is easier to stay in your own little mindset instead of trying to figure out how can this feature work together with that other feature... not to mention how to actually code so both parties understands it... and a lot of other practical issues.

No, I doubt this will happen as it gets too troublesome.

// Nomad Quento

Tampaxita
Posted - 2011.06.18 09:32:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Tampaxita on 18/06/2011 09:33:17
Awesome tool. It really helps me a lot.
However, you might want to get rid of the https as the non-verified certificate is actually more discouraging than no https at all.

Either way,
keep up the good work.

Nomad Quento
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.19 13:52:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Tampaxita
Edited by: Tampaxita on 18/06/2011 09:33:17
Awesome tool. It really helps me a lot.
However, you might want to get rid of the https as the non-verified certificate is actually more discouraging than no https at all.

Either way,
keep up the good work.
You can just access the HTTP site instead? :-) I don't want to spend $150 per year for a certificate when this private cert is doing the job just as good - crypto vice at least. I know it is annoying with the popup alert but the cert can just be installed so it don't popup every time.

// Nomad Quento

Nomad Quento
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:02:00 - [26]
 

Minor site update (statistics).

// Nomad Quento

Brian Petersberg
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:07:00 - [27]
 

Thanks again for the site, Nomad. Very much appreciated! Very Happy

Mu-Shi Ai
The Chrysalis Group
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:20:00 - [28]
 

I'm loving the site a lot. I'm quickly getting to the point where I don't know what I'd do without it. Very Happy

Nomad Quento
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.29 23:57:00 - [29]
 

Bump for small site update (market orders).

// Nomad Quento

Nomad Quento
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.05 01:12:00 - [30]
 

Bump for site update (tabs in Wallet Transactions and total number of orders in Market Orders).

// Nomad Quento


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