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GIGAR
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.02 17:59:00 - [1]
 

Are there any news on the CSM May 2011 meeting?

I know it takes time to write them down properly, but could we maybe see some of the notes, maybe?
Please? :D

Just some kind of update would be nice Smile

o/

Salpun
Gallente
Paramount Commerce
Posted - 2011.06.02 19:04:00 - [2]
 

Two step posted on failheap yesterday that they where aprox halfway done with the transcriptions. I give it another two weeks.

Garekell
Posted - 2011.06.05 05:14:00 - [3]
 

Pathetic - incredibly slow and lethargic - and why no one pays attention to the CSM any longer. This whole forum area is a dead zone.

Originally by: Salpun
Two step posted on failheap yesterday that they where aprox halfway done with the transcriptions. I give it another two weeks.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.05 12:14:00 - [4]
 

The minutes need to go through a drafting and review process. At present, 8 of the 18 sessions have gotten to the first draft stage.

Terghon Tu
Amarr
DarkNet Node Fanaticus
Posted - 2011.06.06 00:34:00 - [5]
 

If it happens by the end of June I'll be pleasantly pleased. The teaser was a good preview of what to expect; can't wait to see the details.

GIGAR
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.06 00:57:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
The minutes need to go through a drafting and review process. At present, 8 of the 18 sessions have gotten to the first draft stage.

Ah yes, the good old days where you wrote down a summary, deleted the parts under the NDA, and where good to go.

Thanks for the information, Trebor, it is much appreciated, nonetheless Smile

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.06.06 04:20:00 - [7]
 

Question. Should you wait for tommroow to draft the details on dust? Most of it might not be NDA anymore right?

Habaticus
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.07 05:50:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Habaticus on 07/06/2011 06:16:09
For crying out loud CSM - transcribed - reviewed - exchanged - agreed upon and published - it's not that complicated with instant online communications. You guys remind me of a monkey f#c#i#g a football. Please post in CSM sites - news and rumor all over the place and deathly silence on the official forums. We all realize CSM does not read "Assembly Hall," because you know better than us, but at least communicate with us on the official forums instead of 0.0 related sites and blogs.

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.07 14:55:00 - [9]
 

Just finished my two subjects and submitted them.

The process works like this:

At the summit every one of our sessions was recorded. Each of us chose a few sessions and are going through the video so we can make sure we didn't miss anything important that needs to be relayed. We all write up descriptions of what was discussed, and send it to the CSM panel as a whole and also to CCP so it can be edited for anything NDA breaking. Once everybody is ok with it being released (CSM for style/substance, CCP for NDA) the entire minutes will be released.

Heavenly Voice
Posted - 2011.06.08 03:25:00 - [10]
 

Cant wait for the videos then.

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:13:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Heavenly Voice
Cant wait for the videos then.


I hope you can since they will never ever be released! (NDA). If the content of the summit could be released I wouldn't have had to do up all those words writing minutes :)That's why the minutes have to be scrubbed by CCP to make sure nothing nda gets through.




Shepard Book
Posted - 2011.06.10 19:45:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Shepard Book on 10/06/2011 19:46:57
Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Heavenly Voice
Cant wait for the videos then.


I hope you can since they will never ever be released! (NDA). If the content of the summit could be released I wouldn't have had to do up all those words writing minutes :)That's why the minutes have to be scrubbed by CCP to make sure nothing nda gets through.






N.M. I just read the other post.

Habaticus
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.12 05:52:00 - [13]
 

Thanks

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.13 15:53:00 - [14]
 

Status update:

19 sessions, 13 completed. Last few should be done in the next couple of days then CCP scrubs them.

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.06.13 19:17:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
Status update:

19 sessions, 13 completed. Last few should be done in the next couple of days then CCP scrubs them.

so... you'll have finished around CQ launch... but how much time will need CCP ? a few days ? more than a week ?

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.13 20:09:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Raid'En
Originally by: Vile rat
Status update:

19 sessions, 13 completed. Last few should be done in the next couple of days then CCP scrubs them.

so... you'll have finished around CQ launch... but how much time will need CCP ? a few days ? more than a week ?


I haven't the foggiest!

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.06.14 14:48:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
The minutes need to go through a drafting and review process. At present, 8 of the 18 sessions have gotten to the first draft stage.

Oh my Goddess, you make modern western democracies look efficient! Twisted Evil

At this rate we'll have the minutes in hand by the time the next session is ready to begin .. hahahahaha (read: hurry up, we need drama).

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:52:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
At this rate we'll have the minutes in hand by the time the next session is ready to begin .. hahahahaha (read: hurry up, we need drama).

Surely not; the CSM minutes will be nice, relaxing bedtime reading, with puppies and kittens on every page.

Scanner717
Posted - 2011.06.15 03:15:00 - [19]
 

Can I just ask a dumb question, Why the NDA in the first place. Really, if its stuff that is progress and being worked on for EVE Online, a game that is live not something that a year from release, why does it need to be shrouded in secrecy anyway. Who's going to steal it, who cares other than Eve Online Players. If they are filling your meetings with a bunch of stuff about WoD and whatever they call the aurum store, then why are they telling about those games. They're not fully developed and CSM' experience with EVE won't help in the development of those other two games.

Fake Edit: I could give a credit to CCP explaining exploits and they're fixes to the CSM, that would be NDA.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.06.15 10:04:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Scanner717
Can I just ask a dumb question..

Imagine you were privy to information about blueprint mineral changes, moon redistributions, module/ship changes and had weeks or months to act on it .. CSM members and their buddies could make trillions Very Happy

One example: Gistii AB's sold for a couple of million prior to QR patch and rose to current level of 20M+ immediately following it.
The way it was handled is how it should be, everyone got the same information at the same time by way of the patch notes.

Cedille Mureau
Gallente
Institute of Archaeology
Posted - 2011.06.15 10:46:00 - [21]
 

So, from what I can gather, the proceedings between CCP and the CSM are so "sooper sekret" that there is an NDA in place, right? What's the point of having "player representation" as embodied in the CSM if things are kept so tightly shrouded in mystery that if you told us what was really going on you'd have to kill us? Or to quote "Blazing Saddles "or are we just jerking off?"Confused

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.15 11:49:00 - [22]
 

The vast majority of things discussed at the CSM summits are not covered by NDA, and are disclosed in the minutes. In fact, I am sometimes surprised by how much CCP is willing to make public.

There are, however, some things -- mostly related to upcoming changes to the game, statistics about the game (such as subscriber statistics), and CCP business strategy, that get sealed under NDA.

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.06.15 13:53:00 - [23]
 

I can't wait for the notes. I have a feeling some nice info will be revealed.

And yes, I can use some good news.Smile

Salpun
Gallente
Paramount Commerce
Posted - 2011.06.17 18:30:00 - [24]
 

As posted over on Failheap By Trebor


Update:

Delivered: Trebor 7, Mittens 5, Vile Rat 2, Two Step 2, Elise Randolph 3

Assigned but not delivered: Diagoras 1 (intro session, non-controversial, almost completed)

Yet to be done:

CCP comments & CSM reaction
Final editing, style conformation -- my job
Final draft review

I am pushing for a release date of Monday, June 27.

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.18 03:05:00 - [25]
 

So sometime next month if we are lucky?

In all honesty, this is unacceptable. I don't know what is taking so long but holy **** this is pathetic. Whatever it is you guys are doing, it obviously is not effective. Maybe stop playing tanks for a day and hammer the minutes out or something. lol

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.18 03:37:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Marlona Sky
So sometime next month if we are lucky?

In all honesty, this is unacceptable. I don't know what is taking so long but holy **** this is pathetic. Whatever it is you guys are doing, it obviously is not effective. Maybe stop playing tanks for a day and hammer the minutes out or something. lol

Look at the list above; those who voted for people not listed there are to blame for the delay.

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:38:00 - [27]
 

FYI
Trebor on twitter: 3rd draft of CSM Summit minutes completed.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:50:00 - [28]
 

did the CSM get told about the price range CCP was looking at for vanity items?

It's not the price as much as thinking thye didn't have to tell us that bothers me.

And MORE so, if they didn't tellthe CSM...

seriously someone from CSM tell me they were told so I can gain a little bit of sanity back.

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.06.23 06:28:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
did the CSM get told about the price range CCP was looking at for vanity items?

It's not the price as much as thinking thye didn't have to tell us that bothers me.

And MORE so, if they didn't tellthe CSM...

seriously someone from CSM tell me they were told so I can gain a little bit of sanity back.


The CSM was not told anything about the price range. Check the blogs of Trebor and Seleene.

Shepard Book
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:42:00 - [30]
 

Um, yeah. Notes anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP0mQeLWCCo


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