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Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.02 15:11:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Takseen

Mhm, because pressing a button every 30 seconds while traveling is such hard work.


No, it's just the opposite. It isn't enough work (neither would warping to 15 be). It's so boring it detracts from the game.

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.02 15:14:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Ana Vyr
Originally by: Takseen

Mhm, because pressing a button every 30 seconds while traveling is such hard work.


No, it's just the opposite. It isn't enough work (neither would warping to 15 be). It's so boring it detracts from the game.


Which is why, like mining, you do it in windowed mode. No one starts hauling or mining looking for excitement, anyway.

Takseen
Posted - 2011.06.02 15:21:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Bane Necran


Which is why, like mining, you do it in windowed mode. No one starts hauling or mining looking for excitement, anyway.


Oh wow, this fixes everything! Getting the dark screen of doom every time I alt tabbed was getting annoying. When did they add that option?

Savage Angel
Gallente
Gambler's Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.02 15:29:00 - [34]
 

Autopilot travel is slower, but then the point of AP is to set it and do something else. So why does it being slower matter to you?

One design principle of Eve is to have some risk in everything you do. Want to bring that freighter carrying 10 billion ISK worth of stuff to Jita? Be at the controls and on the lookout for gankers, and use your warp to zero option. Don't care when you get there and are in a cheap ship? AP and go get lunch.

Azver Deroven
Amarr
Pitch Black.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.02 15:38:00 - [35]
 

I'd have to go with the few guys saying it should never have became to be, wtz that is. Forcibly removing bookmarks near objects would have made more sense, but I'd have to opt into no bookmarks closer than 115km, since otherwise you'll create bookmark to, for example, 31km.

Plus you'd get rid of bookmark warping around an object, much to annoyance of the ships that are actually faster.

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.02 16:29:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Ana Vyr on 02/06/2011 16:32:43
Originally by: Bane Necran

Which is why, like mining, you do it in windowed mode. No one starts hauling or mining looking for excitement, anyway.


Mining is an elective thing. Travelling is not.

Truth be told, I actually enjoy mining. It's relaxing. When it gets dull, I can elect to do something else in game.

Travelling is something we all must do, and I just can't find ways to make staring at the screen so I can press the warp to zero and jump buttons to avoid the tedium of having to wait much longer to travel from point A to point B, exciting or relaxing (in high sec).

Admittedly, travelling through lowsec is more exciting, nullsec is nervewracking to traverse.

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.06.03 11:25:00 - [37]
 

I need some .. thing .. that keeps pressing my F3 button while I'm afk.

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Travelling is something we all must do, and I just can't find ways to make staring at the screen so I can press the warp to zero and jump buttons to avoid the tedium of having to wait much longer to travel from point A to point B, exciting or relaxing (in high sec).

Admittedly, travelling through lowsec is more exciting, nullsec is nervewracking to traverse.

Completely agreed upon.

Tosser Galore
Posted - 2011.06.03 11:49:00 - [38]
 

You spoiled noobs. There was a time when you couldn't warp to 0, (unless you used your own bm).

To give the sense of distance you got to have the sense of "dead time" . There are however things to do when traveling in
potentially hostile space in eve.


Things to do when warping-through low sex and o.o

If you are warping through 0.0 always be aware of bubbles, and make it a habit of warping to the closest celestial to scan your destination (with warp bubbles added to overview).

1. Check local, and get info on the people. Look up their killboard and check fittings and what race they like to fly (omg a hurricane)

2. Spam D-scan, to check what ships are within 14 AU of your moving internet spaceship.

3. Narrow down the angle to 5 degrees and point the crosshair at your destination (to see what **** you about to land in)

4. Bookmark, bookmark, bookmark.

5. Don't speak in local. (the people in local doesn't know what you are doing there so keep them guessing if you are afk or doing something else)




Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.06.03 11:51:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Tosser Galore
You spoiled noobs. There was a time when you couldn't warp to 0, (unless you used your own bm).

To give the sense of distance you got to have the sense of "dead time" . There are however things to do when traveling in potentially hostile space in eve.

But 'm not talking about potentially hostile space, I'm just whining about 30+ boring jumps in highsec Wink

Hostile space at least has its excitement. Empire travel bores to death.

Relicc
Caldari
Aideron Robotics
Posted - 2011.06.03 11:56:00 - [40]
 

You should be happy there is an auto-pilot at all.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.06.03 11:57:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 03/06/2011 11:59:31
OMG I miss the days when there was no warp to 0 and my corpmates hadn't taught me insta bookmarks D:

I think we really need to make warp to zero gone again. It was really awesome, I still remember the rush you got jumping to a gate knowing you had to burn to gate.

good old days : (

but I understand why not allowing for bookmarks within 115km would be silly. They just need to make it like a bubble. even if you use a bookmark in a bubble you'll get pulled out of warp. why not just put a 15km wide, invisable bubble on every gate? Maybe 10km? or everyone doesn't nerd rage quit?


Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.03 12:01:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Savage Angel
Autopilot travel is slower, but then the point of AP is to set it and do something else. So why does it being slower matter to you?

One design principle of Eve is to have some risk in everything you do. Want to bring that freighter carrying 10 billion ISK worth of stuff to Jita? Be at the controls and on the lookout for gankers, and use your warp to zero option. Don't care when you get there and are in a cheap ship? AP and go get lunch.


Yeah, traveling 40j all warping to zero in a freighter will take what? 2 - 3 hours? Certainly forcing the player to be singularly focused on clicking a button every 30s to a couple of minutes for 2 - 3 hours is fascinating and interesting.

People wonder, CCP included, why botting is so rampant in this game. Simply put, it's because people, CCP included again, want to make the game something it should not be. In doing so the game makes botting rampant in those areas because they're needlessly long, boring and devoid of anything approaching fun purely for the sake of doing the task. But, rather, in many cases CCP has made such tasks required in order to acquire isk. The best thing CCP could do to combat botting is to fix things like this with auto warp to zero unless they can somehow remove the tedium of traveling long distances with high value cargo in another fashion. Otherwise, it doesn't so much create a means for some lame jive turkey to get a kill as much as it makes 3rd party EULA breaking programs that will warp you to zero automatically look very attractive.

Gate camps are nothing more than a means to get an easy kill. Nullsec gate camps effectively defeat warp to zero with bubbles, as it should be. So in null even if auto warp to zero were possible you'd be a fool to use it. If auto warp to zero were allowed in hisec, so be it. If the "hisec pvper" wants to make kills then he should move to losec, nullsec, w-space or find another strategy.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.06.03 12:06:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 03/06/2011 12:07:50
Okay, here's an attempt at explaining:

When people realized that 15km approach sucks ass and travel is boring as hell, they started spamming gatrillions of bookmarks that would allow them to warp to zero. The database guys at CCP probably didn't like this.

So they made warp to zero a standard option. Yet, the gamedesign guys probably thought that eliminating the need to be at your puter while travelling would put a pretty fat, ugly blotch on their not so white vest labelled "total game design FAIL". That, because, you know, you kinda do fail if your game makes people leave the puter.

The alternative... putting in a decent travelling system (something like no gates, jump drives on all ships, properly balanced) would shake the very foundations of this game and require major redesign.

So... there you go. The reason why AP doesn't warp to zero is a mix of FAIL and misplaced idealism garnished with just that bit of hurt pride.

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.06.03 12:07:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 03/06/2011 12:09:05
Originally by: Relicc
You should be happy there is an auto-pilot at all.

We're supposed to have a crew for all the non-imminent tasks or what .. ?

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Yeah, traveling 40j all warping to zero in a freighter will take what? 2 - 3 hours? Certainly forcing the player to be singularly focused on clicking a button every 30s to a couple of minutes for 2 - 3 hours is fascinating and interesting.

People wonder, CCP included, why botting is so rampant in this game. Simply put, it's because people, CCP included again, want to make the game something it should not be. In doing so the game makes botting rampant in those areas because they're needlessly long, boring and devoid of anything approaching fun purely for the sake of doing the task.

Very true!!

1) make some tasks very simple e.g. macro-able;
2) make those tasks extremely boring
3) ?
4) profit!

I'm not surprised that these things are done extensively my botters; aren't games supposed to be fun, exciting, challenging? Or is that just me?

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.03 12:13:00 - [45]
 

Because suicide ganking is a legitimate game mechanic and just reward for your laziness and stupidity if you're AFK autopiloting while carrying enough stuff to be worth the suicide gank.

HTFU.

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.06.03 12:15:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Stitcher
Because suicide ganking is a legitimate game mechanic and just reward for your laziness and stupidity if you're AFK autopiloting while carrying enough stuff to be worth the suicide gank.

HTFU.

I don't know if you know this but you can also gank a ship after jumping through a gate when it's trying to get into warp.

True story.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.03 12:16:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Starling

I'm not surprised that these things are done extensively my botters; aren't games supposed to be fun, exciting, challenging? Or is that just me?



Well, we are paying to be entertained, are we not? So why does so much of the game a requisite borefest?

Flex Nebura
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.03 12:22:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Flex Nebura on 03/06/2011 12:23:13
Originally by: Mr Kidd


Yeah, traveling 40j all warping to zero in a freighter will take what? 2 - 3 hours? Certainly forcing the player to be singularly focused on clicking a button every 30s to a couple of minutes for 2 - 3 hours is fascinating and interesting.




Could you post your freighter fit please?.. It must be one fast and nimble pimped out freighter if you can traverse a system in 30 seconds.

Archbeholder
Posted - 2011.06.03 12:23:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Calathea Sata
Why?

I'ts like that fat girl who tries to take a pic of herself in a way that wont show that she is fat.
When your game is shallow and boring you gotta add some artificial time sinks.

Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.03 12:48:00 - [50]
 

Because you never used to be able to warp to zero, only to 15.. and people made bookmarks that allowed warp to zero.. which was awesome because it gave people with regional knowledge who invested time in knowing their area an advantage over passers through (risk/investment/reward)..

unfortunately the database engine that drove the bookmark system could not handle the millions of BM's, so in their wisdom CCP decided to allow warp to zero on objects, deleted all bookmarks within 20km of a station and gate and resolved the database issue that way

however, they stated at the time that they did not want to make things too easy, as they were nerfing outgate combat and knew it, so they decided to not make the change for autpilot so that some level of 'being there' was still required.

IMO it was the wrong move, and they should have just fixed the bookmark system instead. it made pvp in lowsec and high much more interesting.

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.06.03 12:59:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 03/06/2011 13:04:42
Originally by: Chandaris
However, they stated at the time that they did not want to make things too easy, as they were nerfing outgate combat and knew it, so they decided to not make the change for autpilot so that some level of 'being there' was still required.

IMO it was the wrong move, and they should have just fixed the bookmark system instead. it made pvp in lowsec and high much more interesting.

Well I would be happy if they speeded up acceleration and deceleration instead (or remove deceleration - in Star Trek or Stragate you just "instastop" after warp, in EVE it takes up 70% of your travel time) - as long as travel didn't take so long! Shoot at me all you will but if I come back after 30 mins afk travelling I want to be either at my destination or ganked - not just 4 jumps further!!

"Extremely boring and tedious" doesn't equal "difficult".

Evil or Very Mad

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2011.06.03 13:11:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Ana Vyr
Mining is an elective thing. Travelling is not.


No, traveling is pretty elective. What is the max distance an agent will ask you to travel? Anything above that is elective.

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.03 14:13:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium

No, traveling is pretty elective. What is the max distance an agent will ask you to travel? Anything above that is elective.


So, you only play missions? That's like 5% of the game.


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