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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.02 10:00:00 - [31]
 

It is not the first day EVE is broken, EVE IS broken because CCP NEVER FIXED THE GAME!

EVE beta forever, bugs, inbalance, lags, freezes, WTFBBQdeaths "we can't reimburse because it's client side problem henec we have no logs" everythere.

EVE never left beta, and it will not.

Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2011.06.02 10:03:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Calathea Sata
It is not the first day EVE is broken, EVE IS broken because CCP NEVER FIXED THE GAME!

EVE beta forever, bugs, inbalance, lags, freezes, WTFBBQdeaths "we can't reimburse because it's client side problem henec we have no logs" everythere.

EVE never left beta, and it will not.

It actually feels like a duct tape and pins game, so I guess CCP's Minmatar ..

Ticarus Hellbrandt
Posted - 2011.06.02 10:32:00 - [33]
 

It shouldnt take 1000 active fleet pilots to initiate conflict with 1% of success.

War Khan
Caldari
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.06.02 10:33:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: War Khan on 02/06/2011 10:34:59
NC tears! \o/

when you were wining over IT with that "tactic" you are whining about now the game was not broken, right?

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.02 11:43:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 02/06/2011 11:52:13
Originally by: Akita T
Gee, let's throw accusations of botting, RMT and frak knows what else ruining the game, doom and gloom and end of the world and all that jazz, that's so much more believable, and far less verifiable, isn't it ?

You miss that some of the russians have publicly admitted to using (sanctioned) RMT to build up their supercap fleet.

And - whoever might be responsible for it - DDOSing other alliances' services and websites requires some investment to pull off and incurs a quite significant RL cost on the targets (exceeded traffic caps, necessity to buy protection services, ...).
It seems very unlikely that a random empire pubbie who has just lost his Hulk decides to take such drastic measures...
I'd call those parts of the metagame where you overstep RL legal boundaries "cheating" but you may disagree on that point... (and when it comes to copyright and privacy laws many alliances overstep legal boundaries in their metagaming)

Botting is something everybody can observe and that recruiting bots is good business for any corp or alliance with some space to spare is no secret either... Additional tax income but none of the risk associated with running bots yourself or laundering ISK? I'd recruit bots every day...
I know that many of the NC alliances do implicitly tolerate botting and that some corps there would happily recruit a self-proclaimed botter. Do you have any reason to assume that things are different in the drone regions? went on a roam there yesterday - the recruitment adverts in some corp descriptions seemed to carry a very clear message...

IMO your posts in this thread are uniformed rubbish - there is almost no debate that the DRF does what it is frequently accused of. The debate usually revolves around the NC being no bit better than that (while still claiming the moral high ground).

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.02 11:44:00 - [36]
 

When I read posts like the Original Poster's I don't wonder why these attacks fail.

If this sort of whining and crying goes on in his alliance then it's all doomed to be a disaster. Most of the threads that I read on the same theme of "The Russians Are Coming", "The Visigoths are at the city walls", etc., all come down to the same thing.

Lack of organisation and discipline.

Would I want to be part of an alliance in which people moaned and whined as the OP? No. Would I want to be a part of an alliance where it was run in a competant, dispassional and professional manner? Yes.


Valari Nala Zena
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.06.02 13:32:00 - [37]
 

Thank god for:

Originally by: "CCP Greyscale"
Supercaps?
>> Yeah, supercarriers in particular just flat-out need a nerf, I think this is obvious to everyone. We'll give plenty of warning, but don't be surprised when it happens Smile

Source





Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.02 18:16:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 02/06/2011 18:22:33
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
You miss that some of the russians have publicly admitted to using (sanctioned) RMT to build up their supercap fleet.

I didn't "miss" that, and neither anything of the following increasingly smug "gotchas" you posted afterwards.
If you look at my words in context (namely, a rapid-fire line exchange with ROAR Exodus), it is obvious I merely stated it's easier and less verifiable to throw accusations of foul play than answer why the NC didn't field a decent defense fleet.


HOW their enemies got their funding for their supercap fleet is of a very distant secondary importance.
Why THEY didn't have or if they had, why they didn't show up with an even larger supercap fleet was the issue.

What WAS relevant was the fact that "the NC" as a conglomerate had a very large mostly passive income source (Technetium) which went largely uncontested for a long period of time, an income source which could very well make any fringe botter tax income pale in comparison and would amount to huge amounts of RL cash in PLEX equivalents... and that the fleet that ISK could have easily bought, a fleet that could have been several times LARGER than the invading fleet failed to show up on the field.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.02 18:19:00 - [39]
 



Eve has been broken according to players for 8 years?

Perhaps the players are broken.

Or rather, will be broke, come Incarna.


Sino Sarn
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.02 18:30:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Noa Fuyu
Yeah I have a good laugh every time I see an obvious NC member complaining about being blobbed and too many caps. Didn't hear you crying a year ago did we? You were the ones saying come up with the strategies and its part of the game etc etc. What goes around comes around, its part of the game, guess you better come up with some strategies eh?


Originally by: ZenSun
Edited by: ZenSun on 02/06/2011 09:43:14
EvE is a harsh, vicious and unforgiving game which does not cater for the people that cannot adapt to changes or succumb to getting a knee to face whilst bending over and getting spanked... If you expect candy canes and fluffy chocolate bears then get out!

Also, NC detected.


I wonder, was your opinion of scap blobs the same a year ago when you left The North for green pastures in Provi? Or might'n it have changed now that you all have finally a blob large enough?

also, inb4 any "blob hating", "NAP hating" eleet peeveepeers with the irony alarm.

Sig Sour
Posted - 2011.06.02 18:48:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Where were those hundreds of possible supercaps for the defense team, might I ask ?

eBay, they just didn't say anything to the public. So they can bad mouth the Russians all they want right...

Fact is, Akita knows way way way too much about the resources in this game. He is questioning why you didn't field any of the resources you have been gathering over the years. I'm going to flat out accuse you guys of not having it any more because you sold it.

CCP handed you the game with the moon goo changes, then took it away from you with the anom changes (Carebear tears -> killed moral -> disrupted meat shield -> failcascade)

Still BFF? y/n ?

Laughing

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.02 19:14:00 - [42]
 

Frankly, I blame Hollywood.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.02 20:14:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Sig Sour
Akita [...] is questioning why you didn't field any of the resources you have been gathering over the years.
I'm going to flat out accuse you guys of not having it any more because you sold it.

Twisted Evil

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2011.06.03 00:01:00 - [44]
 

Eve would be a better game if they could somehow get rid of RMT. It's been going in in large alliances for a long time. I can understand players not knowing about it, not believing it's happening. But I know CCP is aware of it. Maybe they can't do anything about it, I don't know. What I do know however, is that it makes it a lesser game.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.03 00:29:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Bklyn 1
Eve would be a better game if they could somehow get rid of RMT.

That is bordering on the unfeasible, even in games with much stricter rules of inter-player item/currency/other transfers.
For EVE, it's not even a dream, it's downright impossible.
All you can hope for is catch and punish some people that engage in it, whenever you're sure they're breaking the rules, but EULA-breaking RMT will always be around as long as people give a damn about their EVE characters.
And then, there's also always GTC/PLEX. At least it's EULA-ok in one direction only. But mostly in the direction the losers of a fight usually complain about.

Ioci
Gallente
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2011.06.03 01:57:00 - [46]
 

Nerf Super Carriers?

Just don't taze me Bro!!!

(Americans will get that)

Panda Name
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.06.03 02:15:00 - [47]
 

actually, NC alt, it was your collective existence that was one of the biggest signs that eve needed some dramatic changes. the fact that you nullbears can't defend yourselves and are thus losing your space is a sign that things are changing for the better. ~loltheNC~

one sad thing though is that with the high sec mission changes, i won't be able to go to motsu and laugh at you all in one masterful stroke, for it will require a trip to various .5 systems. sigh.

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.06.03 04:24:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: ZenSun
Edited by: ZenSun on 02/06/2011 09:43:14
EvE is a harsh, vicious and unforgiving game which does not cater for the people that cannot adapt to changes or succumb to getting a knee to face whilst bending over and getting spanked... If you expect candy canes and fluffy chocolate bears then get out!

Also, NC detected.


Sounds kinky. I like the S & M vibes of this post. Do you think they will sell whips in the Aurum Shop?

Thelitos
Posted - 2011.06.03 04:37:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Thelitos on 03/06/2011 04:38:20
All I've noticed here in the past few days is while the Russians quietly take over null sec, NC and everyone else comes here whining on the forums accusing them of botting/RMTing (like you aren't doing the same).

If there was an award for "Most whiny community", this forum would win it.

If you don't like the situation, do something about it. Stand up and fight. If there's a lack of assets, obtain them. For god's sake, fight fire with fire if you have to.

And everyone also tried to blame CCP for all their problems. Cut that sh!t and admit that you are weak and the Russians are simply a new empire that will put EVE in a new era which will eventually die out as well. Honestly though, the game is fine. Stop blaming CCP for everything.

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.03 09:51:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Thelitos
Edited by: Thelitos on 03/06/2011 04:38:20
All I've noticed here in the past few days is while the Russians quietly take over null sec, NC and everyone else comes here whining on the forums accusing them of botting/RMTing (like you aren't doing the same).

If there was an award for "Most whiny community", this forum would win it.

If you don't like the situation, do something about it. Stand up and fight. If there's a lack of assets, obtain them. For god's sake, fight fire with fire if you have to.

And everyone also tried to blame CCP for all their problems. Cut that sh!t and admit that you are weak and the Russians are simply a new empire that will put EVE in a new era which will eventually die out as well. Honestly though, the game is fine. Stop blaming CCP for everything.


Quite agree.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.06.03 10:23:00 - [51]
 

Doesn't matter how you put it, tho: Fleets consisting of one type of ship only is pretty f*ed up. Bout time CCP drop a few balance changes on them SCs.

Caldari Acolyte
Posted - 2011.06.03 10:46:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Caldari Acolyte on 03/06/2011 10:47:11
Originally by: Thelitos
Edited by: Thelitos on 03/06/2011 04:38:20
All I've noticed here in the past few days is while the Russians quietly take over null sec, NC and everyone else comes here whining on the forums accusing them of botting/RMTing (like you aren't doing the same).

If there was an award for "Most whiny community", this forum would win it.

If you don't like the situation, do something about it. Stand up and fight. If there's a lack of assets, obtain them. For god's sake, fight fire with fire if you have to.


And everyone also tried to blame CCP for all their problems. Cut that sh!t and admit that you are weak and the Russians are simply a new empire that will put EVE in a new era which will eventually die out as well. Honestly though, the game is fine. Stop blaming CCP for everything.


Right, stop whining, just set up RMT shops and more bots so you can win, spoken like a true azzhat, seems the ones that are whining dont wanna lose there BOTs, RMT etc. Rolling Eyes

Chuc Morris
Posted - 2011.06.03 10:53:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Akita T
The NC had control over most of the north for a very long time, with plenty of Technetium moons which brought in huge streams of ISK which could have bought HUNDREDS of supercap ships to assist in the defense just from the income in the past half year, not to speak of previously available supercaps. Where were those hundreds of possible supercaps for the defense team, might I ask ?


Ho the isk is surely in someone's wallet like the top heads but surely not in all members pockets.

The ships, they sold them to make more isk, sold them to those spanking they'r ass now.
Laughing

Llyandrian
Amarr
Livestock Science Exchange
Posted - 2011.06.03 11:02:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Florestan Bronstein

IMO your posts in this thread are uniformed rubbish - there is almost no debate that the DRF does what it is frequently accused of. The debate usually revolves around the NC being no bit better than that (while still claiming the moral high ground).


There has been a mountain of evidence posted about DRF using hunter bot, doubling moon minerals, on these forum and externally, dotmaps, tentonne and elsewhere.

We've seen no evidence the NC doing RMT, all we've seen is the DRF slinging ****.

CCP stand a chance of fighting RMT with income from mining and hunter bots, but how do you find RMT, when the source of ISK is passive from the bottle neck moon goo.


Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.03 13:52:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Llyandrian

There has been a mountain of evidence posted about DRF using hunter bot, doubling moon minerals, on these forum and externally, dotmaps, tentonne and elsewhere.

We've seen no evidence the NC doing RMT, all we've seen is the DRF slinging ****.

the only objective source you site is dotlan, and that is easily explained by game mechanics specific to drone anoms. the way the current conflict is progressing is actually the best and most obviously damning evidence showing that nc *has* been heavily rmt'ing its isk. there is just no doubt left

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.03 14:20:00 - [56]
 

Botting in EvE is like taking performance enhancing drugs in sports. It's clearly cheating but the prizes are too big for people to resist doing it, it seems.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.06.03 15:06:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: ROAR Exodus
When I see a thousand people stand up to fight together to defend territory, as they did last night, and then stand down because there’s no hope of success… There something wrong

have you ever heard about Brest Fortress (June 1941 - August 1941)? Those soldiers have fought without hope to win. They died but didn't surrender.

And your thousand people stand down because there is no hope....

Yes. There is something wrong here.

Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
Posted - 2011.06.03 15:11:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: ROAR Exodus
When I see a thousand people stand up to fight together to defend territory, as they did last night, and then stand down because there’s no hope of success… There something wrong

have you ever heard about Brest Fortress (June 1941 - August 1941)? Those soldiers have fought without hope to win. They died but didn't surrender.

And your thousand people stand down because there is no hope....

Yes. There is something wrong here.


What's wrong is those thousand people need to grow a pair. Better to fight and die than live on your knees no?

Takseen
Posted - 2011.06.03 15:24:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Anddeh McNab


What's wrong is those thousand people need to grow a pair. Better to fight and die than live on your knees no?


Or "fight and be sent back to your cloning facility minus some implants and a ship", in this setting.

Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
Posted - 2011.06.03 15:27:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Takseen
Originally by: Anddeh McNab


What's wrong is those thousand people need to grow a pair. Better to fight and die than live on your knees no?


Or "fight and be sent back to your cloning facility minus some implants and a ship and accuse everyone of RMT", in this setting.


Fixed but otherwise yes.


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