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Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.06.02 11:16:00 - [121]
 

Making allies and playing the diplomatic game is part of EVE. Sitting in a corner and waiting for all the awesomeness come to you is ignorance at its best.

Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2011.06.02 11:21:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Neamus
Lol, look at all this crap.

High sec just gets better and better all the time.

Yea all the 3+ year old elitist vets with their supercaps and bots .. let them fight it out among themselves. Why should I care, it's almost like they play another game that I can't take part in the coming years anyway?

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.02 11:25:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Scarlet des Loupes
Originally by: Last Tardfighter
Get ready for the massive bot farms.

All that's left is sex in stations .. oh no not even that!


[troll]

I'm ok with that, Russian have an excellent Vodka and their girls are hot has hell opposed to our icebergs ladies !!

Dam yeah ! Laughing

[/troll]

voodoo
Evolution
Posted - 2011.06.02 11:26:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Yeah NC used to be unstoppable.

Everything changes.

Russian alliances are now unstoppable.

Everything changes.

confirming , things change.

lilol' me
Posted - 2011.06.02 11:33:00 - [125]
 

I think there is some other missing points. The issue is also how much space can someone just have it has become serious.
We talk about bob and Ascn in the same breadth but its not the same. Yes bob at one point did own the south but that all jus the south..not everything. The DRF Alliances have now what 3/4 or all null sec alliances after they take tribute and tenal/branch (which will happen)!

The will control all the moons, all the stations, which affects the market which affects everyone. You should not be able or allowed to own take that much space, or we come to as the op stated the chinese server where one group pretty much take over eve. Is that right or good for the game? No its not.

This situation is not the same as bob or ascn at all. Plus bob didnt have supercaps at the time :) but any I digress.

Do you not think its crazy how one group can pay 600bill to PL and then pay billions for all the supers the bought? and still go strong? I mean yeah NC needed removing but what by somethig much worse!. It bad that they seem to have this constant flow of isk that they can just pay billions and billions without a problem and basically pay to win..

Ive said it before Ill say it again

Severely nerf this free constant flow of isk 0- moon gold
Limit the number of space/sov/stations an alliance can own
Limit the number of blues an alliance can have.
Stop risk free pvp! Its stupid that an alliance can field 400 ships and lose them, or lose 10 supers and instantly not feel the pinch and replace them.
Botting can be stopped if CCP want to.

This is not about russian alliances, im sure the same would be said about it if it were american alliances or whatever.

I do feel that CCP needs to answer to this, they can do something, and if they had an ounce of integrity, cleaning up the game is the right thing to do rather than having more numbers in the game, that infact will end up killing it.

Tom Sasaki
Posted - 2011.06.02 11:54:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: Tom Sasaki on 02/06/2011 11:54:55
Originally by: lilol' me
I think there is some other missing points. The issue is also how much space can someone just have it has become serious.
We talk about bob and Ascn in the same breadth but its not the same. Yes bob at one point did own the south but that all jus the south..not everything. The DRF Alliances have now what 3/4 or all null sec alliances after they take tribute and tenal/branch (which will happen)!
And I ask again since when are Pandemic Legion, NCdot, Ev0ke or Raiden. russian?

They are the main fleet strenght lately, not Red alliance, Solar fleet, Legion of xxDeath or White noise(which are russian alliances).

Major russian participation have not been seen since geminate and unless you are blind they are kinda being assaulted in the south by Against All Authorities & friends.

Edit: Basicly I am asking you to check killboards consider the facts and lay off the NC forum coolaid propaganda for a bit

Dr Larry Goldstein
Charybdis Laboratories
Posted - 2011.06.02 11:58:00 - [127]
 

In Russia, drone regions control you.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.02 12:03:00 - [128]
 

Someone said that if you're not willing to fight for what you have in Eve you don't deserve it.

Seems Russians fight for what they have, so they deserve it.

Instead of ganking hulks at high sec belts to feed your e-peen KB, you guys should put some effort together and get the crap out of them kick their ass!
And show you can do other stuff than /cry - accuse Russians of botting and crap tons of game time when every one knows pretty well those same alliances are the ones who exploit resources like moons now for years, are known to use bots, and the ones not being very attractive to join?

With in those same alliances we can see post in this very same forum where:

-they use bots
-they scam players
-some ransom new incoming players once they r stuck in low/null
-the shares are only for a few ones, the same stealing assets, killing blues because they don't agree with their opinion etc
-they are arrogant enough to post in this forum in different manners the most common being lack of respect for others opinions, trolling, scamming etc

So yes, I'm pretty happy they're getting the crap out of you and showing to every single player how good those alliances and the people organising them are.

Bow your new overlords or grow some balls and learn to work together in trust, witch also means start to be honest with corpies/members and give them the will to fight.

Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
Posted - 2011.06.02 12:03:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Tom Sasaki
Edited by: Tom Sasaki on 02/06/2011 11:54:55
Originally by: lilol' me
I think there is some other missing points. The issue is also how much space can someone just have it has become serious.
We talk about bob and Ascn in the same breadth but its not the same. Yes bob at one point did own the south but that all jus the south..not everything. The DRF Alliances have now what 3/4 or all null sec alliances after they take tribute and tenal/branch (which will happen)!
And I ask again since when are Pandemic Legion, NCdot, Ev0ke or Raiden. russian?

They are the main fleet strenght lately, not Red alliance, Solar fleet, Legion of xxDeath or White noise(which are russian alliances).

Major russian participation have not been seen since geminate and unless you are blind they are kinda being assaulted in the south by Against All Authorities & friends.

Edit: Basicly I am asking you to check killboards consider the facts and lay off the NC forum coolaid propaganda for a bit


Perhaps he states that cos PL are being PAID stupid amouts of MONEY!! Thats why they are there..

NC. and Evoke well since the anom nerf they drop provi like a hot brick, this way they help drf they get given a region..duh...which is much better and then they can go back to ratting the estemels of old motherland of Venal too..thats why...they are STILL Aligned the to DRF..

This isnt about NC at all, dont give a flying feck about NC tbh. But i care greatly where this game is going - down the $hitter.

Look

Sir Oliver Midwestshire
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.02 12:10:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Neamus
Lol, look at all this crap.

High sec just gets better and better all the time.


Agreed. Null sec is nothing more than a contest to see who can make each other cry. Judging from the amount of whining on this thread it seems the Russian alliances are winning.

Low and High sec FTW.

Wardecced Alt
Posted - 2011.06.02 12:12:00 - [131]
 

How do you join a russian corp/alliance ?

Do you need a bot preinstalled or will they provide you with one ?

Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.02 12:32:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Wardecced Alt
How do you join a russian corp/alliance ?

Do you need a bot preinstalled or will they provide you with one ?

You are mistaken, only bots can join Russian corp/alliances.

Shepard Book
Posted - 2011.06.02 12:44:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Not that I care NC dies at all - think its good they are dying - but this is just ridiculous, Russain alliances pretty much now will control eve, markets, nullsec everything.

Awesome job CCP!! - refuse to do anything about RMT even though they know who is doing it, and hows it done

Refuse to do anything about moon gold
Refuse to do anything about nullsec and how much space ppl can own

Now not only will they be botting but also have silly amount of tech moons.

This game is just going like the chinese server, one group owning and ruling all!!!!

Enough is Enough! Troll all you like....its a joke and it needs to be said


NC alt tears are funny. Every Alliance in the game has people doing all the negative things you are mentioning here not just the russian ones. BTW, they do not own most of nullsec. Nullsec will get worse though if they nerf super jump ranges or fuel consumption IMO. That is one way it will make it much harder for others to attack the tech tree. CCP needs to spread out tech moons to every corner.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.06.02 12:57:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Alara IonStorm
All the people who speak Russian are on the same team.

not really. I've seen wartargets who are russian too. (hehe, surprise! Shocked)

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.06.02 13:25:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: northwesten
I find more bots in russian space than any other space. I guess you don't travel eve much! Rolling Eyes

take a note that "russian space" isn't fully russian. We have 2 american corps 2 systems near of our. Wink

Naradius
DEATHFUNK
Posted - 2011.06.02 14:00:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: northwesten
I find more bots in russian space than any other space. I guess you don't travel eve much! Rolling Eyes


Just a year or so ago, I remember the same type of thing being said about NC controlled space. I use to spend a lot of time in that area in a cloaky, and can confirm that NC space had it's fair share of bots as well.

Tosser Galore
Posted - 2011.06.02 14:03:00 - [137]
 

Edited by: Tosser Galore on 02/06/2011 14:04:01
The so called "cold war" was for most part only a fabrication to keep the populace in place (both the russian and american). The russian military might was blown up, way out of proportion [red scare ii], the us taxpayers fueled the pentagon system, as is the rationale behind all war machines in history.

Cuba crisis was very much real, but steered off at the last instant by sane people working in an insane enviroment.


Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
Posted - 2011.06.02 15:37:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Tosser Galore
Edited by: Tosser Galore on 02/06/2011 14:04:01
The so called "cold war" was for most part only a fabrication to keep the populace in place (both the russian and american). The russian military might was blown up, way out of proportion [red scare ii], the us taxpayers fueled the pentagon system, as is the rationale behind all war machines in history.

Cuba crisis was very much real, but steered off at the last instant by sane people working in an insane enviroment.




lol not sure this is the same thing - this is actually happening for all to seem, there is no propaganda lol...

ps...dude your name Wink

Kendross
Posted - 2011.06.02 15:48:00 - [139]
 

Edited by: Kendross on 02/06/2011 15:50:43
Its posts like this that often make me chuckle while at same time fill me with rage. We all know RMT is an issue, and so is botting. Its really plain simple.

If you wish to make a complaint, dont come on here mouthing off because at the end of the day CCP have your money, and wont take the slightest bit of notice because they know you wont ever do the unthinkable.

If you wish to make a point and protest do so using your wallet not your keyboard. What do you honestly think would happen from a share holders point of view if suddenly 20 thousand active players went on a protest. The devs and game makers know full well your hooked and you wont ever go to such strong reactions but think about it for a bit. Without your hard earned cash there is no CCP.

I dont care who wins the north war or not and since being online since 2004 I have seen many changes but it always results in the same thing. There is far to many resources bunched into one small area. NC has always had a stronghold because of that very said thing. I also agree supercaps have gone border line madness. When it becomes a game of ping pong who has thelargest amount of win button ships which the large majority of us wont really ever get near to (Because we are not PL or NC). The use of real money to purchase Merc offerings would be an instant offence of the EULA and action needs to be taken. The whole plex idea is whats brought this on. But hey if someone pays $20K to attack someone else and it goes straight into an icelandic business bank account of course there not going to say a thing. Everything in this world and a virtual world revolves around one thing and one thing only MONEY!.

Peace out.

Molly Molotov
Posted - 2011.06.02 15:54:00 - [140]
 

##########################################################

Recruiting for crusade against the Russian horde!! Must have 80m sp, be able to fit a fully t2 super carrier, must be aviluable from 02:00 to 23:00 Application must include your FULL API, your home address, photocopy of your drivers license. Must call my Lord and Savior, must put your computer on the floor and play from there. No drinking or eating while online.

*************************************************************

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.02 16:02:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Molly Molotov
##########################################################

Recruiting for crusade against the Russian horde!! Must have 80m sp, be able to fit a fully t2 super carrier, must be aviluable from 02:00 to 23:00 Application must include your FULL API, your home address, photocopy of your drivers license. Must call my Lord and Savior, must put your computer on the floor and play from there. No drinking or eating while online.

*************************************************************

Being 1/4 as dedicated as the Russians will not bring you victory.

Khavi Kitamatsu
Posted - 2011.06.02 16:18:00 - [142]
 

Is there a map that shows who controls what and what alliances are formed by whom?

Deadloch
Amarr
One Wounded Wing
Posted - 2011.06.02 16:34:00 - [143]
 

Edited by: Deadloch on 02/06/2011 16:34:08
The hilarity of this post just makes me snort laugh....

All this is great to read.

I would probably like to inform everyone that half of the reason the DRF is able to build all the SCs is due to the Highsec mining. So many low ends available at competitive prices.

DRF has been running an EXCELLENT infrastructure program to maintain ease of renting and buying/selling of goods in their areas. Krutoj as I recall was extremely upset with an Incursion that had landed in the area of one of his JB highways. To that end, I for one applaud the DRF on their tenacity in exploiting a weakness in the NC.

Don't get me wrong, I don't welcome the Russian Overlords, however I do have the utmost respect for their abilities to run a well planned ANNIHILATION of NC morale and assets.

Hiring PL was an excellent move and in the end is what pushed the NC to fold. Otherwise it was a pretty even fight.

Will the DRF last? Only time will tell. I do predict however that with the DRF seeming to be only interested in Tech moons and only lightly defending the rest of the systems, there will be a shift again where they will have internal strife and begin to rot from the inside out... Just like the NC did.

Ripley Nostromo
Posted - 2011.06.02 16:37:00 - [144]
 

My only question in all this is when will I be able to buy Skill Points?

Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
Posted - 2011.06.02 16:41:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
My only question in all this is when will I be able to buy Skill Points?


You already can

DickbeardThePirate
Gallente
LODSOFEMONE
Posted - 2011.06.02 17:06:00 - [146]
 

I'm surprised that the OP thinks it is in any way CCP's fault. What, you want to put limits on the amount of space a single alliance can own? How about you go die in a fire. The lack of limits like that, the open-ended gameplay, is the main reason to play EvE.

Ripley Nostromo
Posted - 2011.06.02 17:20:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Anddeh McNab
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
My only question in all this is when will I be able to buy Skill Points?


You already can

Indirectly but not in the fashion I like. Give $, get SP, apply where I want it to go...

Dr Larry Goldstein
Charybdis Laboratories
Posted - 2011.06.02 17:27:00 - [148]
 

When will EVE have its first Super Capital SALT Treaty?

Deadloch
Amarr
One Wounded Wing
Posted - 2011.06.02 18:34:00 - [149]
 

All's fair in love and war...

Since obviously everyone on here loves EVE and we fight wars, this applies two fold.

Realistically we know the NC was vulnerable... DRF figured they could do a massive attack themselves and knock the NC off... When they couldn't complete it, PL was hired. Between them, knocking RAGE off with so much ease, was scary. Marching through Geminate, Vale and then on the way to Tribute showed all the other sharks (Other alliances) that NC was a great juicy target.

NC killed itself. Fat, Lazy and non committal to the game, the Leadership enjoyed all sorts of perks without having to fight. The name NC acting like a HUGE DOG with a booming bark. Then when push came to shove, the leadership wallets so full of ISK, they decided it's better off to let DRF chew on the outer alliances and work their way in. Let them die and they might be satiated with that.

Poor planning, Unimaginative Tactics, Greed killed the NC. Wouldn't have mattered if it was DRF, TEST, PL or another alliance/Coalition that decided... Enough is enough.

NC... the bell tolls for you. Blame yourselves because BFF means Best Forgotten Friend.

Also, DRF is going to fall within a year. As with all empires in RL/EVE History... They do not last.

A new Era has begun!!

Shadowschild
Posted - 2011.06.02 19:41:00 - [150]
 

Edited by: Shadowschild on 02/06/2011 19:50:30
Edited by: Shadowschild on 02/06/2011 19:48:13
As an NC grunt I can tell you that this experience was a bitter, somewhat humbling one. I think it's much worse for the bigger alliances like MM. I've been on the front lines, helping to coordinate attacks on supercaps, relaying intel etc. Fact is, they just had an overwhelming force & too many spies. Any action we take is relayed over instantly to them, they seemed to always be 1 step ahead. I think at one point they were even streaming voice coms over justintv.

Anyways, yes it sucks we had to let go of a rather nice sov territory (though much less so since the anom nerf). I can't comment on this RMT stuff, but I've read quite a few posts about this, some even indicating real life political pressure from russian government bailout loans. I never saw any bots around our systems, but walk a bit into gemenite & it was pretty obvious there. I guess its just gonna be a huge botting empire now. This entire thing does puts alot of question marks over basic gameplay roles, like why do I want to fight for a large alliance, are the leaders just gready fat cats, am I just being used as a pawn, does anyone really care, should I care? It's somewhat saddening in a way but very important to think about.

As it stands the NC has not crumbled & failscading, I don't understand where people are getting that assumption, I guess its just them connecting the dots in their mind. We were pushed out, some folks wont like the change & may leave, others will stay. Either way, its not like the NC playerbase is suddenly going to dissapear overnight. When I first started playing the game, I was in one of the renter corps foundation alliance had at the time, they eventually disbanded but the players concolidated into new alliances & eventually, many made their way to the NC. It will be interesting to see what the future holds for us. Hopefully Venal will not be a permanent home :/


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