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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:09:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Not that I care NC dies at all - think its good they are dying - but this is just ridiculous, Russain alliances pretty much now will control eve, markets, nullsec everything.

Awesome job CCP!! - refuse to do anything about RMT even though they know who is doing it, and hows it done

Refuse to do anything about moon gold
Refuse to do anything about nullsec and how much space ppl can own

Now not only will they be botting but also have silly amount of tech moons.

This game is just going like the chinese server, one group owning and ruling all!!!!

Enough is Enough! Troll all you like....its a joke and it needs to be said


The NC has been botting and RMTing just as much as the DRF, I've flown in both space, and its not as rampant as some makes out but it isn't uncommon either.

The NC fell from within. Whatever propaganda you listen to the problem was it had grown to big. Every coalition that grows large fails eventually from internal strife. Will this be the last we see of them, all depends. Red Alliance and Goonswarm Federation (previously Goonswarm) all lost significant space and rebuilt into powerhouses, it took years so it really depends on what leadership from the NC survives.

It isn't the end of EVE, the end of an age perhaps. There have been many ages where one group or another seemingly controlled vast swaths off space, in time they all lose it. It is the natural cycle folks leave the game, new folks come in. The thing is that none of the changes CCP instituted in teh last 6 months was responsible for this. In fact almost everything they've done moves to discourage combat in 0.0 as the space is less valuable. Wars will continue though as it is the nature of the game.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:09:00 - [32]
 

I think the real reason so many people get upset because many(not all) Russians basically play as one big team.

I dont think the ethnicity means anything(Im an American whose ethnically 1/4 Russian.)
I think the language barrier means everything.

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:11:00 - [33]
 

i hope the language barrier doesn't change the message i want to deliver

I care about this situation.
I don't care about oppinions though, but about facts.

There's a situation ppl aren't happy with.
Complaining on the forums is useless. 100% **** crap bull****.

Think before you post.
Letting your anger out this way isn't constructive.
It's a vent ... but venting doesn't change facts.
It's right the opposite ... venting just helps keeping the facts as they are,
because you let out your anger and hence don't try to change anything.

You are unhappy with a situation ? Find others who share your oppinion and group up.

Many oppinions don't make facts, (except in their POV)
but many oppinions can change facts ! (like ... "russians own everything ... let's crush 'em!")

Dear OP and everybody who thinks the same ...
... the solution is pretty obvious.

Organize and fight !

Dwight Dibbley
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:12:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Dwight Dibbley on 01/06/2011 18:14:45
Edited by: Dwight Dibbley on 01/06/2011 18:12:40
I've said this a thousand times about the russian-western thing 2 facts come to mind

your avarage joe 'westerner' plays a casual game leaving just the odd hardcore and even currupt leadership choosing alliance direction or fleecing its members. mr avarage joe plays for his or her own ends and when the going gets hard he bails and going for example to empire/carebear or quits.

However on the other hand what I can tell and this is why I respect the russians, they know there game. they stick together and play to win. they play the moon goo game very well just like they did the old static plexes.

and no im not russian but i get fed up by the laidbackness of mr i got a real ife and respect that whatever the situation, the russians get their act together.


Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:20:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Solstice Project

Organize and fight !


Im no fan of the OP but thats stupid suggestion.

A big part of the problem is that most American and Western European players see EVE as casual fun to be players a couple of hours in the evening.

A lot of Russians are looking for a different experience.

No one is "wrong." But were getting the point wher an alliance of whats normal for the west simply cant compete. You end up with people deciding between playing more than they enjoy or just quitting.


Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:31:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Solstice Project

Organize and fight !


Im no fan of the OP but thats stupid suggestion.

A big part of the problem is that most American and Western European players see EVE as casual fun to be players a couple of hours in the evening.

A lot of Russians are looking for a different experience.


Looking from the inside I have to say that this isn't necessarily so. Or as much so as any other nationality. It's just so much more visible when it happens because of the language-based grouping (as you've noted).

Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:39:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Confirming Russians are an 'ethnic minority'


I think its important to clear up i said 'Russain Alliances' not Russains as in the people.

The issue is the amount of space ppl can hold, the amount of isk thats made by botting, the amount of isk made specifically from moongold, whether thats NC or Russain Alliances or whoever. Its how they have managed to do this, by using RMT to win eve. And will continue to do so even more so now. Been able to pay anyone and everyone as much as possible(specific PL 600 bill a month!) to win eve.

Its becoming a joke that its pretty much becoming one rules all. Where will it end. When will it stop..When CCP pull their heads of their assess and seriously looking at how nullsec is divided, how this constant flow of isk just keeps on flowing at stupid prices (venal 1 trillion isk per month!), look at how much space one can hold, look at stopping completely risk free pvp.

So what we lose 300 ships, they are all insured or well we have moar isk who cares. We lose 5 supers in one fight - Ah well we have 100 on the back burner.. its just ridiculous!

Heimdallofasgard
APEX ARDENT COALITION
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:45:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Edited by: baltec1 on 01/06/2011 17:09:54
Originally by: Lidia Prince
So let me get this straight. NC is the last stand of democracy in EVE agains oppressing communist threat (DRF) now? The plot thickets.


Nope that would be the Goons

Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Whats next take over Venal



Venal is a black hole into which the most glorious battle fleets enter and never return.

It is a raging hell hole of the most bitter and twisted players lurk and like a bad rash only get stronger the more you scratch.


Nahhh you're thinking of venerial mate not venal

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:48:00 - [39]
 

How to beat the russians 101.

By obsidian hawk.


step 1 train up to a covert ops ship, preferably a bomber.

step 2 fly to drone regions.

step 3, cloak up

step 4. leave your computer and account on 23/7 cloaked and all botting and ratting will come to a stand still.

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:55:00 - [40]
 

The only problem I have with this is the "how".

If it was everyone coming together to form an alliance and working hard then that's what Eve's about and NC should have out smarted or out maneuvered them. However, I'm not sure that's what has happened.

I've had many...many people tell me that the Red alliance and affiliates are hard core macro users. not only that, all the major bot websites do have a specific, rather large section for Russians.

The point is, if they got to this place legit, then I'm ok. But if they got to it on the backs of macros, then Eve (I think) might be in trouble.

So my question is, how did they do it? Teamwork? or Cheating?

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:56:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Anddeh McNab

водка

Yes, please.

Last Tardfighter
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:59:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud

So my question is, how did they do it? Teamwork? or Cheating?


What do you think? Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.06.01 19:05:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud
The only problem I have with this is the "how".

If it was everyone coming together to form an alliance and working hard then that's what Eve's about and NC should have out smarted or out maneuvered them. However, I'm not sure that's what has happened.

I've had many...many people tell me that the Red alliance and affiliates are hard core macro users. not only that, all the major bot websites do have a specific, rather large section for Russians.

The point is, if they got to this place legit, then I'm ok. But if they got to it on the backs of macros, then Eve (I think) might be in trouble.

So my question is, how did they do it? Teamwork? or Cheating?


The whole of 0.0 is at it. NC did it, the Reds do it, every major alliance has people doing it. The NC sold their supercaps and got big and lazy and were too incompetent to think to properly defend their space, relying on numbers alone. They were rightfully crushed and it's not an END GAME state for Eve, far from it. Wars used to mean much more than they do now so it's nice to see the population get stirred up like this.

Where the isk for it all came from is irrelevant since no one is really the bigger culprit. All the accusations come about because for a large part the Russians are a mystery to the English speaking community. If you are going to take it on faith that the only people macroing are the Russians I suggest you also go read up on their own forums for the counter opinion. Until then learn the game through your own experience and not just from what the braying idiots on the forums and high sec say. Go for a roam anywhere and you will soon see ravens cloaking up and obvious hoards of exhumers with similar names logging off as you enter local. You will see this on your first 50 jump roam wherever you go.

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.06.01 19:16:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: CyberGh0st on 01/06/2011 19:18:09

Legit players working together are legit, but botters, macroers and DDOS'ers should all be deleted from EVE.
If there is not some serious action from CCP in the near future, with some actual results against botters, this and microtransactions will be the end of EVE, at least for me.

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
Posted - 2011.06.01 19:18:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud
The only problem I have with this is the "how".

If it was everyone coming together to form an alliance and working hard then that's what Eve's about and NC should have out smarted or out maneuvered them. However, I'm not sure that's what has happened.

I've had many...many people tell me that the Red alliance and affiliates are hard core macro users. not only that, all the major bot websites do have a specific, rather large section for Russians.

The point is, if they got to this place legit, then I'm ok. But if they got to it on the backs of macros, then Eve (I think) might be in trouble.

So my question is, how did they do it? Teamwork? or Cheating?


This is my sentiment as well. I remember similar posts about BoB back in the day. Then it was the Goons. Now I return to the game and it's the Russians. That's just Eve. However, I'm totally opposed to anyone who is using bots and macros. If that's the case, then yes, perma-ban everyone involved.

Mr Dilkington
Posted - 2011.06.01 19:25:00 - [46]
 

I prefer having russians in charge rather than americans, most of the people in game i speak to think so as well.

Darth McDarth
Posted - 2011.06.01 19:32:00 - [47]
 

ITT:Racism and ignorance.

Cydens
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.01 19:41:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Cydens on 01/06/2011 19:45:01
ITT racism, ignorance and extreme butthurt.

All Russians I've dealt with (and the various Eastern bloc countries) have been legit and really chill bros.

In fact, the majority of my buddy list are Russian/Bulgarian/Slovak/Romanian etc. Ya'll got to stop being so uptight and accept that they are better than us.

e: In everything, not just Eve. Drinking (coming from someone who is half-Irish!), building nukes, spying, banging women, making Vodka, running brothels, making propaganda videos, voice-overs, dancing, playing with Tigers, the list goes on. Literally youtubeing 'Russian' followed by anything yields some wonderous videos.

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.06.01 19:44:00 - [49]
 


Dear OP,

may i ask you ...

WTF is your point of posting anyway ?

You really believe worthless oppinions help changing anything ?

Either get ballsy or stfu.

-10/10

NeoShocker
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.01 19:48:00 - [50]
 

And the cold war II begins, except it isn't real life, not USA vs USSR and its in a game, world VS Russia players (right?).

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.06.01 19:48:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Cydens
Edited by: Cydens on 01/06/2011 19:45:01
ITT racism, ignorance and extreme butthurt.

All Russians I've dealt with (and the various Eastern bloc countries) have been legit and really chill bros.

In fact, the majority of my buddy list are Russian/Bulgarian/Slovak/Romanian etc. Ya'll got to stop being so uptight and accept that they are better than us.

e: In everything, not just Eve. Drinking (coming from someone who is half-Irish!), building nukes, spying, banging women, making Vodka, running brothels, making propaganda videos, voice-overs, dancing, playing with Tigers, the list goes on. Literally youtubeing 'Russian' followed by anything yields some wonderous videos.



No.
They aren't.

It's not about being "better", it's about "realizing situations at hand and making best use out of it".
Russian nationalism surely helps them a lot, but doesn't mean they are better.

It means the others just fail to realize how to do it right.


Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.06.01 19:57:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 01/06/2011 20:02:28

Originally by: Dwight Dibbley
Edited by: Dwight Dibbley on 01/06/2011 18:14:45
Edited by: Dwight Dibbley on 01/06/2011 18:12:40
I've said this a thousand times about the russian-western thing 2 facts come to mind

your avarage joe 'westerner' plays a casual game leaving just the odd hardcore and even currupt leadership choosing alliance direction or fleecing its members. mr avarage joe plays for his or her own ends and when the going gets hard he bails and going for example to empire/carebear or quits.

However on the other hand what I can tell and this is why I respect the russians, they know there game. they stick together and play to win. they play the moon goo game very well just like they did the old static plexes.

and no im not russian but i get fed up by the laidbackness of mr i got a real ife and respect that whatever the situation, the russians get their act together.




There is a very good reason for that... For a large amount of the Russians EVE is their job. It's much more important to have your act together if your RL income is dependent on it.

CCP need to get their ass in gear and start a no holds bar war against the RMT ****. That means no 14 day bans that allow them to log back on sell their char and buy a new one, but zeroing out accounts and "deleting" them.

Yes others also RMT but not on scale as Russians do and it's not like they even try to hide it as they openly talk about their botting ect..

The simple fact is right now in this game, you can not compete ISK wise against large groups that are botting their ISK. People that have RL jobs and don't have a ratting Raven/Tengu running 23/7 are never going to compete against large bnumbers of other players that don't have RL jobs & have macros for their isk.

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.06.01 19:59:00 - [53]
 


errr ... to make it short ... and sorry if i fail to communicate my point.

Keep on talking until you realize you can't change the situation anymore
because they got so much money and power that it's simply impossible ...
or get your balls together already.

Discussions only get you enslaved. (metaphorically speaking)

Steve Seninard
Posted - 2011.06.01 20:00:00 - [54]
 

First, Ivan Drago kills Apollo Creed and now this?! This cannot stand.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.06.01 20:02:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Steve Seninard
First, Ivan Drago kills Apollo Creed and now this?! This cannot stand.


LMAO Very HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery Happy


Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.06.01 20:03:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Mutnin
CCP need to get their ass in gear and start a no holds bar war against the RMT ****. That means no 14 day bans that allow them to log back on sell their char and buy a new one, but zeroing out accounts and "deleting" them.

Yes others also RMT but not on scale as Russians do and it's not like they even try to hide it as they openly talk about their botting ect..



blablabla.

Realize the facts.
Everybody "knows" it, so CCP knows it too.
There's simply no argueing about it.

Still, they don't do anything about it.

Now figure.

Of course you can call me conspiracy-idiotblablawhatever ... still, the facts remain.

Everybody "knows" it ... so CCP knows it too.
Still ... they don't do anything about it.

I love the game and i believe CCP is great ... i do not really understand what is going on,
but obvious things are obvious. We do not know why they don't do anything against it,
so talking about it is useless and stupid anyway.

Ymirus
Minmatar
Fly Drunk
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.01 20:04:00 - [57]
 

Claiming only the Drone Russians bot is silly.
Saying they will win the war because they bot is even sillier. If they win the war because they (supposedly) bot, it must mean they have more cashflow from it than others and can therefore field more/better/more expensive shiny spacetoys. If they have more cashflow because they bot, it means the enforcement against it is sub-par, meaning whole alliances can get away with it.
Obvious solution: Go bot as well so the monetary field is levelled.

Oh wait what's that? You're already botting? In that case they must simply be better/more numerous/want it more.
To the victor go the spoils, all's fair in love and war.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.01 20:05:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Steve Seninard
First, Ivan Drago kills Apollo Creed and now this?! This cannot stand.

They tell a different story.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.01 20:09:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Mutnin
For a large amount of the Russians EVE is their job.

Could you back that up with some statistics? (See what I did there?)

Now kindly fvck off and DIAF.

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.01 20:10:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Barbara Nichole on 01/06/2011 20:10:52

I was talking to some friends of mine who haven't played too long but are really having fun. I mentioned BOB...they looked at me with blank stares. They had no clue what bob was.

It's a long fall to the bottom from the precariously balanced top. No one is unstoppable.

RMT should be dealt with harshly...but just because they write funny doesn't mean they automatically breach the EULA.


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