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Nemesor
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.03 22:27:00 - [181]
 



That hit near to the heart did it? Well... since you have decided to resort to personal attacks again...
You are a spineless shadow of your former self. Your Ideology is a faded harlot whose former beauty cannot be restored no matter how much makeup you try to slather onto its now hideous features. Rather than embrace reality, you gather together those that carry portraits of your younger self whilst holding lit candles like some sort of third rate planetary dictator.
So you stay in the Empire you claim to despise with the rest of the sheep, you flapping lipped hag.

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.03 22:30:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Nemesor


That hit near to the heart did it? Well... since you have decided to resort to personal attacks again...


You leave yourself far too open. I suppose Ms. Constantine would call what I am referring to as your 'footstamping'.

This thread is to celebrate their success for 8 years as a corporation. It has absolutely nothing to do with you.

Shoo fly.


Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.03 22:37:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: Bacchanalian on 03/06/2011 22:38:08
Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Nemesor


That hit near to the heart did it? Well... since you have decided to resort to personal attacks again...


You leave yourself far too open. I suppose Ms. Constantine would call what I am referring to as your 'footstamping'.

This thread is to celebrate their success for 8 years as a corporation. It has absolutely nothing to do with you.

Shoo fly.




Nemesor spent more time in Star Fraction than you've spent in a pod, which makes it more about him than it is about you.

The mere fact that unlike you, he's not a sock puppet for Jade does not take away the fact that his views are as valid as any others'. But perhaps you, like many in this thread, have forgotten that opinions and views that diverge from those rubber-stamped by Jade are valid.

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.03 22:39:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: Bacchanalian
Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Nemesor


That hit near to the heart did it? Well... since you have decided to resort to personal attacks again...


You leave yourself far too open. I suppose Ms. Constantine would call what I am referring to as your 'footstamping'.

This thread is to celebrate their success for 8 years as a corporation. It has absolutely nothing to do with you.

Shoo fly.




Nemesor spent more time in Star Fraction than you've spent in a pod.

The mere fact that unlike you, he's not a sock puppet for Jade does not take away the fact that his views are as valid as any others'. But perhaps you, like many in this thread, have forgotten that opinions and views that diverge from those rubber-stamped by Jade are valid.


A sock puppet? I have no affiliation with Jade Constantine, outside of this forum. Do you see a 'Star Fraction' below my name? And you aren't exactly the unbiased party either, Mr. Rote Kapelle..

I suggest you don't take pot shots at a bystander, you dolt.


Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.03 22:45:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: Jason Galente

A sock puppet? I have no affiliation with Jade Constantine, outside of this forum. Do you see a 'Star Fraction' below my name? And you aren't exactly the unbiased party either, Mr. Rote Kapelle..

I suggest you don't take pot shots at a bystander, you dolt.




Yes, only those in Star Fraction are under their influence. Clearly. Ask Jade about my agents sometime. She's convinced they're everywhere. At one point she went so far as to accuse members of Electus Matari of being my agents.

And I'd offer you the same advice about pot shots--especially when you still need someone to wipe your runny nose and change your diapers for you. You've been in space less than two weeks now, congrats!

Why don't you run along and let the adults speak. Children should be seen and not heard.

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:06:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Bacchanalian
Originally by: Jason Galente

A sock puppet? I have no affiliation with Jade Constantine, outside of this forum. Do you see a 'Star Fraction' below my name? And you aren't exactly the unbiased party either, Mr. Rote Kapelle..

I suggest you don't take pot shots at a bystander, you dolt.




Yes, only those in Star Fraction are under their influence. Clearly. Ask Jade about my agents sometime. She's convinced they're everywhere. At one point she went so far as to accuse members of Electus Matari of being my agents.

And I'd offer you the same advice about pot shots--especially when you still need someone to wipe your runny nose and change your diapers for you. You've been in space less than two weeks now, congrats!

Why don't you run along and let the adults speak. Children should be seen and not heard.



Rather sir, I believe you are the child for believing intelligence is actually linked to skill points. (bordering OOC here). Do not judge a book by its cover. I may not have much experience in EVE yet, but I have plenty of experience with people like you.


Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:06:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: Nemesor
That hit near to the heart did it? Well... since you have decided to resort to personal attacks again...


I hardly have need "Nemesor" ... the dynamic here is quite straightforward.

In the ordinary state of affairs I am entirely content to ignore your existence as largely meaningless. In the times you keep to yourself and manage to avoid embarrassing yourself on our anniversary threads its as if you simply don't exist at all.

But for you its fairly plain the very existence of Star Fraction is some kind of a goad to your ego that drives you near wild with fury and frustration the moment we speak in public!

The best thing for your sanity would probably be to move on and learn to ignore us as we've learned to ignore you. But if that really isn't the answer for you "Nemesor" then you will need to find a way to end your feud in space because this constant gnawing at the wounds to your psyche via public disintegration on our threads is not doing anything for your mental state whatsoever.


Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:09:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

The best thing for your sanity would probably be to move on and learn to ignore us as we've learned to ignore you.



You're doing a remarkably poor job of this at the moment Jade.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:11:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Bacchanalian
You're doing a remarkably poor job of this at the moment Jade.


On the contrary Bacchanalian. When you see me publicly melting down on your anniversary thread you can claim to have a point. Until then it is quite apparent for anyone outside your group that your pilots are getting rather frustrated and losing control of their emotions.

Nemesor
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:15:00 - [190]
 


Nemesor begins to laugh uncontrollably on comms then disconnects.

Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:16:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: Bacchanalian on 03/06/2011 23:18:16
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Bacchanalian
You're doing a remarkably poor job of this at the moment Jade.


On the contrary Bacchanalian. When you see me publicly melting down on your anniversary thread you can claim to have a point. Until then it is quite apparent for anyone outside your group that your pilots are getting rather frustrated and losing control of their emotions.



Darling, part of not giving a **** about our public image is not starting public circle-jerks to celebrate our existence as though merely existing somehow equates to a victory. You'll find that difference listed as one of the original reasons we left your organization--we were tired of spending more time bloviating on forums than discharging ammunition in space.

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:25:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Nemesor

then disconnects.


Finally.


Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:26:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Bacchanalian

we were tired of spending more time bloviating on forums than discharging ammunition in space.


Ironic since thats precisely what you are spending all your time doing currently then isn't it Cool


Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:28:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Bacchanalian

we were tired of spending more time bloviating on forums than discharging ammunition in space.


Ironic since thats precisely what you are spending all your time doing currently then isn't it Cool




I'll save you the disgrace of comparing kills in space over the last week. Let those who care to draw their own conclusions.

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:35:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: Bacchanalian
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Bacchanalian

we were tired of spending more time bloviating on forums than discharging ammunition in space.


Ironic since thats precisely what you are spending all your time doing currently then isn't it Cool




I'll save you the disgrace of comparing kills in space over the last week. Let those who care to draw their own conclusions.


I was going to post something but.. I think I'll let Ms. Constantine take this one. Cool


Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:39:00 - [196]
 


Originally by: Bacchanalian
I'll save you the disgrace of comparing kills in space over the last week. Let those who care to draw their own conclusions.


Was this thread inadvertantly retitled the "NBSI numpties against random targets genetalia-measuring database" when I wasn't looking? Rolling Eyes

Seriously Bacchanalian. Nobody really cares how effective you are at culling nobodies in syndicate. Especially not in the context of your apparent jealously and enduring rage at Star Fraction that should be better measured in your performance against our Starbases with your mighty capital fleet.

You left because you wanted to shoot random neutrals rather than fighting targeted campaigns remember?

It is quite pointless to claim superiority over us because you are better at doing something we decided (long ago) was simply a regressive fallback to the enclosurist tyranny of corrupt imperialism.

That makes as little sense as the nonsensical ramblings of your alliance mates!

Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:40:00 - [197]
 

Happy anniversary -SF-

Azure Skyclad
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:43:00 - [198]
 

Cheers Chief. Wink

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:59:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine


It is quite pointless to claim superiority over us because you are better at doing something we decided (long ago) was simply a regressive fallback to the enclosurist tyranny of corrupt imperialism.





Ms. Constantine, while I agree with you regarding Bacchanalian's irrelevance in this forum, last time I checked the empires didn't shoot random neutrals. If I misinterpreted what you were saying, I apologize.


Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.04 00:08:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

You left because you wanted to shoot random neutrals rather than fighting targeted campaigns remember?



Sorry to take so long to respond to you--I was busy in space making the ships of several pilots who shot at one of mine explode.

No, Jade, I do not remember leaving because I wanted to shoot random neutrals. In fact, I remember being NRDS for over a year after forming Stimulus. I've already laid out the reasons why I left earlier in this thread. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to figure out how to read them.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.04 00:19:00 - [201]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 04/06/2011 00:22:58

Originally by: Bacchanalian
No, Jade, I do not remember leaving because I wanted to shoot random neutrals. In fact, I remember being NRDS for over a year after forming Stimulus. I've already laid out the reasons why I left earlier in this thread. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to figure out how to read them.


You meaning Stimulus as a collective of course. And in response to your somewhat inaccurate comments earlier in the thread I moved a couple of the votes/discussions from the time to public (if anyone is actually interested anymore). But lets not get distracted by amateur misdirection. You attempted to laud your K/D figures (as an NBSI kill-everything alliance) against an NRDS principled engagement alliance knowing full well since we don't shoot every capsule, hauler and neutral vessel in sight "just because" its a ridiculous comparison. Yes you are good at killing everything "bravo".

And again, if you had wanted to prove yourself in space against the Fraction you had an ideal chance this week by completing the assault on our staging towers in Pelille and Ostingele (in fact you still have that option if you wish to prove your capability to overcome our ability to maintain such structures in the future).

But don't think for a moment you can impress us by simply killing "lots of random people!" if that kind of thing was worthy of our respect we'd laud the smart-bombing pirates of Rancer kings of new eden! Very Happy


Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.04 08:32:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

But don't think for a moment you can impress us by simply killing "lots of random people!" if that kind of thing was worthy of our respect we'd laud the smart-bombing pirates of Rancer kings of new eden! Very Happy




Mmm, somehow I doubt the Rancer folks (or Star Fraction, for that matter) would willingly engage outnumbered 3:1--as we did just a few hours ago.

I also sincerely doubt either would be capable of killing more than twice as many as they lose in such a situation. But then Star Fraction wouldn't fight TEST or Fatal Ascension--they're "random people," (despite being sov-holding entities that fellate the NC for the slightest chance at a scrap of recognition) unlike Moira, who are the most relevant and frightening fighting force this side of Providence. Well, besides the Ixion Defense folks. I don't suppose you ever did get CYI to formally surrender to you, did you? Or did you simply retroactively change that campaign goal a year down the road when you realized it would never come to fruition? Feel free to pass any messages you have for them on to me. I'll etch them into the rounds of EMP that I pump into their ships so they finally can hear the words of the great Jade Constantine and actually be forced to listen.

John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.06.04 09:09:00 - [203]
 

Congratulations... that was not as hard as I thought it would be.


Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.04 09:37:00 - [204]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 04/06/2011 13:10:11

@Bacchanalian

With regard to your celebrating an engagment that you lost on isk terms but won in raw ships destroyed.

Isn’t that precisely what the Fraction is currently achieving in fighting Moira/Rote Kapelle/Veto (organizations that collectively outnumber us 5-1 in raw bulk pilots)? If one looks at the simple kill figures (as you have just quoted for your engagement) we’re killing more than twice as many of you also! I hope this is not some kind of double standard from you here Bacc Cool

(While also exercising our will in space which is causing Moira to flee further and further from their boasts of driving the Fraction from Placid I might add.)

But it is rather a silly comment for you to make Bacchanalian. The Fraction is quite famous for fighting outnumbered and rather more successfully than you were last night.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Operation Annoyance
Space and Freedom II
Space and Freedom IV

This sequence of fights from the siege of Kamela/Bleaklands will demonstrate our point rather more stylishly than your dull statistics and banal killboard links will ever do.

So honestly I do wonder now what makes you feel you need to somehow prove the attributes of your own organization in our anniversary thread so desperately?

I’m hardly going to discuss our standings and diplomacy with an enemy leader at this point.

As for Moira, well, we hardly saw fit to mention the war until Soter went crying for help to Rote and Veto because he was getting roundly thrashed in a conflict he provoked. Since that point it hasn’t really been about Moira has it Bacchanalian? Moira are now simply a proxy for the long-yearned for showdown between your most obsessively-needy pilots and the people who forgot about them years ago.

On CYI’s formal surrender, well you were in Star Fraction at that time Bacchanalian. You know as well as I do that we forced their entire alliance to hide like roaches in the corn and our pilots simply didn’t want another bug-hunt that lasted for months and achieved nothing.

We moved on to confronting and humiliating the entire Amarrian bloc with Operations Judas Goat, Slaughterhouse and Daisy-Cutter. I do remember you personally were very unhappy that we couldn’t force the CYI executive to surrender but sometimes that’s just life in New Eden. We can't always get everything we want.

After all, you told me yesterday that you “crushed” Acheron Federation (the CYI successor entity) and yet here is Ixion Defence flying capital ships about with TEST.

Does that make you a failure by then terms you consider us failures – or does it mean there is simply a rational limit to damage one can inflict on an organization before it buckles and runs to the hills?

Sure you could devote your entire existence to infiltrating and stalking individual pilots, hiding out in their dustbins and stealing the contents of their underwear drawers but really ... comes a point when a rational pilot needs to accept enough damage has been done to prove the point and further the interests of the freespace revolution.

Unless of course one has forgotten what that cause is all about and simply became addicted to the torturing and killing of small cartoon frogs to stave away the emptiness inside Cool

In any case I imagine it must have been late when you composed that last post because it didn’t really demonstrate any of the things you wanted it too!

Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.04 11:23:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Sure we could devote our entire existence to infiltrating and stalking individual pilots, hiding out in their dustbins and stealing the contents of their underwear drawers but really ...





I for one am vaguely aroused whenever my underwear decides to vanish ... or is vanished by someone, for that matter. YARRRR!!

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.04 12:49:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Jade Constantine

It is quite pointless to claim superiority over us because you are better at doing something we decided (long ago) was simply a regressive fallback to the enclosurist tyranny of corrupt imperialism.


Ms. Constantine, while I agree with you regarding Bacchanalian's irrelevance in this forum, last time I checked the empires didn't shoot random neutrals. If I misinterpreted what you were saying, I apologize.



No apologies are neccessary monsieur Galente, it is right that we ask questions when matters are unsure and to gain clarification before reaching assessment. We in the Fraction consider ourselves (by and large) and anarchist organization and view most forms of hierarchical government with suspicion. There is a long debate to be had on this elsewhere no doubt. But the specific point I was making is that NBSI xenophobia can be seen as a holdover from past nationalist wars of flag against flag and planetside territory against territory for such things as material shortage, religion and cultural distance.

The capsuleer experience in New Eden has seen us gain access to vast resources (largely untapped) but denied to most by the meaningless greed and jealousy of NBSI territorialists. The majority of nullsec is absolutely empty with claims made by absentee landlords playing at robber-barons and dressing up in their father's clothes.

My point is that NBSI is a tool of oppression and expression of "fear of the other" rather than "hope for beneficial trade and relationship". Conquest for conquest sake like fear for fear's sake is profoundly regressive to our way of thinking. We have all the tools and potential we need to build a genuinely progressive starfaring culture but first we need to make war on the bad ideas that chain the majority of low and nullsec capsuleers to an ancient and barbaric past.

Understand please, that most of the NBSI empires and roving psychotics practicising the philosophy are simply copying the imperialist patterns of the inner sphere empires. Amarrian religious zealotry finds itself renewed in virgin territory, the worst excesses of Heth's fascist dogma drives the engagement ideology and diplomatic failing of the largest alliances, while hierarchist drive of Federation and Republic finds a warm bed in the stratified ruler/renter/sub-tenant pattern of nullsec settlement.

The inner sphere imperialials are the pattern that NBSI tyrants and their roving guard dogs imitate on the frontier. Our challenge is to promote a change in that pattern so that progressive rather than regressive influence is transmitted to the impressionable posthuman children of the capsuleer Diaspora.




Sooplex
Jericho Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.04 13:29:00 - [207]
 

What a powerfully charged discussion this has become. I approve.

How better to celebrate eight years of a corporations history than throwing hate, dripped in bitterness, with a coating of grudging respect at each other; and re-living said history through the action? Perfect.

A fun food fight, with daggers instead of soft consumables, between old friends.
I can picture it, as I'm sure you can too, though I doubt the event would last nearly as long as this discussion.

Such vitriol should be celebrated, decanted into small phials and forced upon the unwilling, before throwing them in a confined space, and then being enlightened as we watch them beating each other to death.
No?...That is unfortunate.

On the subject of the Star Fractions anniversary, I would like to congratulate any individual who was a part of those years, however brief, as you were all part of creating the entity. Of course, there will be those who had more influence than others, but you all share a common theme appropriate to this subject. Don't forget it.

Excellent effort Star Fraction.




Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.06 11:13:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Pol Macsliebh
*Raises Glass


Thank you Pol, we've always honoured and appreciated our relationship with the Ushra'khan over the years and still consider we have much in common in terms of our ideals and vision of New Eden spared the corruption of imperialist domination and sentients chained by regressive practise and nationalist conceit.

Also congratulatons to your tournament team who have progressed to the finals - its nice to have somebody to be cheering for in the final 32.

On behalf of the Star Fraction we wish you the very best of luck!

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.06 11:21:00 - [209]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/06/2011 11:21:40
Originally by: Jade Constantine
We moved on to confronting and humiliating the entire Amarrian bloc with Operations Judas Goat, Slaughterhouse and Daisy-Cutter.


I certainly didn't feel humiliated by JF's efforts in that campaign, and I suspect that the rest of the Amarr Bloc didn't either.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.06 11:27:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/06/2011 11:21:40
Originally by: Jade Constantine
We moved on to confronting and humiliating the entire Amarrian bloc with Operations Judas Goat, Slaughterhouse and Daisy-Cutter.


I certainly didn't feel humiliated by JF's efforts in that campaign, and I suspect that the rest of the Amarr Bloc didn't either.


But then again you didn't feel humiliated by being forced to celebrate Sarum's coronation while being docked in Amarr Family Station with a fleet of angry Matari terrorists and Radical Freespacers gathered outside while you handed out battleship prizes to fellow dock monkeys and got a stern tongue lashing on the subject from your more-militant kinsmen in the KPV.

The obvious conclusion is you lack a proper awareness of shame.

Thats hardly news though! Very Happy




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