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Merahl Ronuken
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.01 11:33:00 - [31]
 

An eight-year corporate lifespan in this universe is no mean feat. Congratulations to you and your men, Ms. Constantine.

Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.01 11:36:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Evet Morrel
our purpose is to become the cause or contribute to the cause: free space.


And there is exactly where you took a wrong turn.
You are fighting for an idea that is already yours to claim. You are already free of the shackles, you have only those restrictions that are placed on you by either reality or yourself. The former you cannot do anything about. The second you can - stop chaining yourself into the service of others through this altruistic struggle towards the utopian ideal of "free space".

In the end it's all your choice of course, but I should say that I find your altruistic dedication to the cause as deplorable and wasteful as the loyalists who chain themselves to the obsolescent states and empires of a gone era. You could be so much more! You could be free already.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.01 11:40:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Nemesor

The Free Captains of the Star Fraction are quite the puzzle are they not? Claiming to be Transhumanist, attempting to at least have the appearance of taking the higher road. Using words like Justice, Mercy, Freedom, Legitimacy.


The sovereign individual has recourse to such words when they have bearing on one's perception of reality. But really why is it such a puzzle? When a human (or posthuman) decides to seek collaborative interaction with other humans beyond the restrictions of state or empire and stand merely on personal reputation and consequence these things have meaning. You might pour scorn on the notion that "not shooting up all neutrals on sight" is somehow a "higher road" but I'd say to you it is a more progressive road. Knee-jerk aggression against all other life paints you into the role of a virus in comparison.

Originally by: Nemesor
Ask the Cosmopolite if he can use his laboratory to take samples from all around the Universe and break it down to its most fine and basic components. Then have him run his most sensitive and detailed scans on it and look over the results. I am certain that you will find no Justice particles. No iota of Mercy or Freedom contained in the dust and debris.


We sovereign individuals make these concepts as we please. Power makes Freedom. You seem to have read my earlier writings on the nature of Freedom and reached your own conclusions that life is simply the Freedom to kill and nothing else. I refute this utterly since Freedom is the power to choose.

(From "the true knowledge of the star fraction")

“The True Knowledge of the Star Fraction is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. You are free to do whatever is in your power and if you want to increase your power you had better do whatever is in your interest. All that you really value, all the goodness and truth and beauty of life, all the poetry and artful words have their roots in this pragmatism.

Now the authority worshiper asks me how does that make me more than a criminal? The nationalist states his superiority in serving another force greater than himself. The crusader speaks with false piety and blames a myth for his violence and hypocrisy and self-deceivers simply shudder at the words for their ... unbearable honesty.

Morality is meaningless beyond self-interest and the freedom of choice. Piety is helpless in the face of immortality. There is no need for peace when we have the capacity for mutual self-destruction and the plenty of the limitless stars makes a mockery of frugal socialism and communist self-denial.

Why then am I not a brigand killing all who I choose to? Because I choose not to be. Why do I not take goods and resources from those weaker than me? I’d rather trade for them. Why do I consider myself “better” than a pirate or gate-blocker alliance? Frankly I don’t consider the comparison at all.

Understand.

All this is my choice. I seek power to better enable that choice. Power is a tool to be used not an idol to be worshiped. Ships are power, reputation is power, the potential to violence is power, the capacity to trade is power, the decision not to kill a neutral and spill their crew into the void – this too is power.


Originally by: Nemesor
In the spirit of the occasion, I will give you a small gift. It can be learned from observing any biosphere where two or more living things compete for room to grow or food to eat. The one with the will to kill is the one that will prevail


Your self-identification with mindless predators aside. It must be stated that Freespacers lack for neither room nor food in the thousands of systems we've known since the capsuleer diaspora began. Your perception of this need is simply the triumph of the regressive meme infected on your consciousness by the ambitions of stronger men.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.01 11:59:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
You are fighting for an idea that is already yours to claim. You are already free of the shackles, you have only those restrictions that are placed on you by either reality or yourself. The former you cannot do anything about. The second you can - stop chaining yourself into the service of others through this altruistic struggle towards the utopian ideal of "free space".


And this neatly reveals your own slip into solipsist nihilism Tatsue Nuko. You believe this is all about self revelation and internal evolution? You feel it is enough to become the greatest predator against the tapestry of stars? I do not. I believe the revolution is a song with a catchy beat, the secret is meeting the eyes of a stranger across a crowded room and beckoning with a smile. Its in sharing the dream we have, its in teaching others to rise up and fight and become more than mere pawns in another's game. There is no upotia of free space. It will always be dangerous because there will always be predators wallking in the skins of man who wish to steal and loot and take through violence.

But irony (and it is a almost a bitter one) is that there is very little difference between the violence of state and hierarchy that takes the product of a man's labour with taxes and bureacracy paying only lipservice to primal fears of the unknown - and the violence of brigands and thieves like Rote Kapelle who take the product of labour with threat and bluster and elect themselves the tyrants of nullsec.

You tell yourself you are the peak of human evolution Tatsue Nuko because you are simply a better thief than the tax-collectors of the state and empire, a better con-artist than the electors of the federation and republic even. But when all is said and done you are simply following in the path of tyrants gone before. What you are building in the roach motel is an empire of violence that will coalesce in time to the traditional shapes of dominance and submission and personality cult obedience to those most vile.

Already you surrender your pride and self-worth to the mockery of your peers because that is the price of living in the herd. So goes civilization and the age-old memetics of post colonial new eden.

Quote:
In the end it's all your choice of course, but I should say that I find your altruistic dedication to the cause as deplorable and wasteful as the loyalists who chain themselves to the obsolescent states and empires of a gone era. You could be so much more! You could be free already.


Ah silly girl. We are free the moment we break away from the detritus of empires and theology of the mob. We'd like you to be free. But somehow we have to teach you to under the language we are speaking before the discussion can be had. You are an unruly child half-maddened by Quafe buzz quite convinced that murdering other sentients is the highest expression of freedom possible in this universe. I have to tell you such is a terrible lie and you have been misinformed by those with the motive to use you to their own ends.

Freedom comes from chosing not to take a life.
Freedom is choice.
Freedom simply is.

Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.01 12:31:00 - [35]
 

First I wish to apologize for the slightly torn up nature of this response. I wanted to ensure at least a certain amount of precision in my responses, but unfortunately that resulted in a bit of a point-by-point exchange that lacks severely in aesthetics.

Originally by: Jade Constantine

You believe this is all about self revelation and internal evolution? You feel it is enough to become the greatest predator against the tapestry of stars? I do not.


Actually, no and no.
I believe in taking control of my own life and pursuing a path that will let me become the best I can be. Shackling myself to a dreamy ideal and devoting my life to the service of others through that ideal goes counter to that.

Originally by: Jade Constantine

But irony [...] is that there is very little difference between the violence of state and hierarchy [...] and the violence of brigands and thieves like Rote Kapelle [...].



Actually, Rote Kapelle maintain and espouse hierarchy only in the same sense that the Star Fraction does. We associate voluntarily, are free to leave whenever we wish, and others are free to treat with us as they see fit and as their capability allows.

Originally by: Jade Constantine

You tell yourself you are the peak of human evolution Tatsue Nuko because you are simply a better thief than the tax-collectors of the state and empire, a better con-artist than the electors of the federation and republic even.


While the opening premise is factually wrong, I will take the latter as a compliment. Thankyou dear.

Originally by: Jade Constantine

What you are building [...] will coalesce in time to the traditional shapes of dominance and submission and personality cult obedience to those most vile.



I do confess that I religiously worship the personality of Bacchanalian and obey him in every detail. Well, no, not really, I'm too busy worshipping myself to have any time for that. Suffice to say that I do not agree with your analysis.

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Already you surrender your pride and self-worth to the mockery of your peers because that is the price of living in the herd.



Yes yes, everyone who doesn't do as you do are part of the herd. Really, that is fact!

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Ah silly girl. [...] You are an unruly child half-maddened by Quafe buzz quite convinced that murdering other sentients is the highest expression of freedom possible in this universe. [...] you have been misinformed by those with the motive to use you to their own ends.



And who would that be? Seriously speaking dear, your analysis misses the point completely and fails to take accurate account of history. My hypothesis is that you are too blinded by your own rhethoric to even begin to consider any cause of dissent that does not conform to your predetermined classification of your opposition.

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Freedom is choice.



I removed the two erroneous ones and left the one that is correct.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.01 12:46:00 - [36]
 

There are other ways of responding without a quote fest Tatsue Nuko. Allow me to demonstrate.

You speak of being the "best you can be."

So I ask “best at what?” In rote kapelle it appears the only “best” you seek is killing and killboard trolling? You mock the “dreamy ideal” of a revolution yet replace it with nothing but pure solipsist nihilism / or worse yet, a replication of statist authority-worship and theft.

On the nature of voluntary association we have covered this ground already many times before in past discussions. When you disassociate from Rote Kapelle you become a target – and must perforce vacate their claimed space on threat of violence. Hence the “voluntary” nature of association comes into question. You remain because you fear to depart.

On cults and personalities (your attempted sarcasm aside) the reality is you are following the vision of other (stronger, more obsessive, more driven) men whose agenda (killing at all costs) comes to replace any notion of your own personality.

I remember a Tatsue Nuko who once believed that statist demand for taxes and tithes degraded the individual, now you count such things a point of pride. One could almost rest the case there.

But then you speak of dissent – dissent from what?

You stand for one cause and one cause alone – killing and gloating over kills. It is the whole of your nature. You worship at the cult of the killboard Tatsue Nuko – there is no reason or politics or ideal beyond the holy statistics of the K/D ratio. There is no ideal nor principle nor freedom nor dream at the core of your being simply a yawning emptiness that aches to be filled by the hatred of others.

Why else are you drawn so regularly like a lonely moth to the flame of Fraction idealism to spit your bitter little imprecations and shout “notice ME!” whenever we speak?

You come because you have nothing else.
One might almost term it a tragedy.

Funkert
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.01 13:50:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
You stand for one cause and one cause alone – killing and gloating over kills. It is the whole of your nature. You worship at the cult of the killboard Tatsue Nuko – there is no reason or politics or ideal beyond the holy statistics of the K/D ratio. There is no ideal nor principle nor freedom nor dream at the core of your being simply a yawning emptiness that aches to be filled by the hatred of others.


That made me smile from ear to ear. Would you be interested in a position as Propaganda Officer with us?

Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.01 13:57:00 - [38]
 

Thankyou most kindly for the demonstration my dear Jade. Allow me to make an attempt:

In your response you do seem to have a rather well informed opinion about my conduct. Indeed you would appear to be better informed about that than I am. I shan't argue against my betters though, so I'll grant you that point freely. All I ever do is kill innocents and drool over killboards.

As far as association and disassociation goes, there are some semantics in your delivery that might stand a bit of adjustment: one does not become a "target", one becomes as one was prior to association. A "target" is a goal to be pursued and achieved or, depending on the nature of the object, pursued and destroyed. In this sense an individual that leaves our organization does not become a "target" by default. They may be fired at, of course, but that is nothing other than regression to the mean.

The whole thing with cults of personalities is perplexing though, and I am not sure whether I should bother. You seem to already have your opinion made up and I highly doubt there is anything in the universe that can change it. Perhaps I should point out how often RK as a whole and STIM in particular changes leadership. There is not one front person that pulls the strings, and indeed most leaders grow fed up with it relatively quick and pass on the reins - herding cats is a lot of work. As you may recall the list of former "leaders" is fairly long: myself, Nemesor, Jonny, Cass, my darling Atandros and so on. Since I don't feel like throwing stones I'll halt the argument there, and allow you to reach your own conclusions.

I do however want to point out that your sweeping generalizations fall wide of the mark. I will of course freely confess that there are individuals in Rote Kapelle that might be said to "worship at the cult of the killboard", though this does require that one make allowances for your customary linguistic flair. The allegation that I do the same is, however, one that I resent and where I would highly encourage you to rethink. This kind of judgement by collective and ascribing personal traits to individuals based solely on one's impression of a collective is not befitting of people who aspire to be not only individualists but also to be the vanguard of a revolution with individualist traits. You need to be better than that.

On the note of dissent, my object specifically was to indicate my impression that you are classifying the cause of dissent from your opinion, goals and ideology as solely caused by factors decided by you a priori. The case in point is your classification of me as an "unruly child" that has been "misinformed" by people who would "use [me] to their own ends". I can of course tell you that this is false, but your opinion is already made up even though I dare say you have extremely limited information to serve as a basis for this judgement. To the extent that you have any basis at all, besides the aforementioned collective judgement that I find so perplexing from someone of your persuations, I would scarcely believe there is more than a couple years old hearsay. You need to do better than that.

As for the final question, I'll just say that it is simple coincidence. You won't believe that of course, but you might then take advantage from a scroll through your communications the last, say, 2 years? Keep a tally. Confirmation bias is a wonderfully dangerous thing that you should take stronger care to protect yourself from.

Finally, wanting you to notice me isn't quite my goal. My goal at present is amusement. I wasn't even responding to you! (But perhaps that is a wonderfully ingenous way to beg your personal attention while still maintaining deniability? Yes, I just might be that devious!) In fact I made just a short and to-the-point response to another individual and, I fell, I was actually rather courteous too. Unfortunately you did not possess the ability to keep your manners civil.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:51:00 - [39]
 


And so the dance continues Tatsue Nuko, as it has for the last two years with the majority of your public writing relating to the objects of your need and close obsession. It is very easy of course to claim your motivation one of “amusement” (it is after all the common recourse of the “troll” to speak of “trolling” as the one and only purpose of the interjection). But I think we know better you and I, it is difficult for you to walk away because what would that leave of you?

Moreover, your statements of personality cults and your apparent discomfort at association with the primary goals of your current organization reveal much. I asked you what you two questions previously:

“the best at what?”
“Dissent from what?”

And the best you return is simply to state your difference from the majority of Rote Kapelle’s killboard-worshiping self-humiliating cultists and I say to you now Tatsue that is not a virtue. You share an organization with some of the clusters’ most profound mediocrities; creatures of scarcely measurable sentience that caper and caress their mandibles to the cult of the K/D and you would have me believe you are somehow different? How? What have you done to make you different? What have you achieved except the erosion of your standards and self-murder of principles once argued with some passion and flair?

I condemn you over your knuckle-dragging fellow drones Tatsue Nuko because unlike them you wilfully selected the course of intellectual self-harm and idealistic lobotomy to render yourself inured to the sinkhole of depravity you now inhabit.

And now you tell me I make a mistake in condemning the whole of a NBSI kill-hungry nihilistic brigand alliance because there might be scraps of individuality in the discarded bins?

Show them to me by all means because there is no evidence of such in the last 2 years of your own public statements which in the main are a simple prequel to the rehashed and largely incoherent primal demand for notice you make here.

Speak of civility as if it is a right? Why do you expect mercy from a revolutionary confronting an embodiment of hierarchical submission to regressive meme? At this point Tatsue I do not consider you fully alive let alone a capsuleer demanding of respect. You are simply an echo chamber repeating the same puerile childish follies mistaking idiot-violence for liberation and intellectual dishonesty for meaningful debate. Civility is for the civil as respect is for the respectful.

Tell me why your casual acceptance of random murder and regressive territorialism is worthy of civility or respect?

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:03:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

And so the dance continues Tatsue Nuko, as it has for the last two years with the majority of your public writing relating to the objects of your need and close obsession. It is very easy of course to claim your motivation one of “amusement” (it is after all the common recourse of the “troll” to speak of “trolling” as the one and only purpose of the interjection). But I think we know better you and I, it is difficult for you to walk away because what would that leave of you?

Moreover, your statements of personality cults and your apparent discomfort at association with the primary goals of your current organization reveal much. I asked you what you two questions previously:

“the best at what?”
“Dissent from what?”

And the best you return is simply to state your difference from the majority of Rote Kapelle’s killboard-worshiping self-humiliating cultists and I say to you now Tatsue that is not a virtue. You share an organization with some of the clusters’ most profound mediocrities; creatures of scarcely measurable sentience that caper and caress their mandibles to the cult of the K/D and you would have me believe you are somehow different? How? What have you done to make you different? What have you achieved except the erosion of your standards and self-murder of principles once argued with some passion and flair?

I condemn you over your knuckle-dragging fellow drones Tatsue Nuko because unlike them you wilfully selected the course of intellectual self-harm and idealistic lobotomy to render yourself inured to the sinkhole of depravity you now inhabit.

And now you tell me I make a mistake in condemning the whole of a NBSI kill-hungry nihilistic brigand alliance because there might be scraps of individuality in the discarded bins?

Show them to me by all means because there is no evidence of such in the last 2 years of your own public statements which in the main are a simple prequel to the rehashed and largely incoherent primal demand for notice you make here.

Speak of civility as if it is a right? Why do you expect mercy from a revolutionary confronting an embodiment of hierarchical submission to regressive meme? At this point Tatsue I do not consider you fully alive let alone a capsuleer demanding of respect. You are simply an echo chamber repeating the same puerile childish follies mistaking idiot-violence for liberation and intellectual dishonesty for meaningful debate. Civility is for the civil as respect is for the respectful.

Tell me why your casual acceptance of random murder and regressive territorialism is worthy of civility or respect?



If I may interject,

What exactly is it that you fight for? You expose the emptiness and contradictory nature of the public statements of others, yet at the same time it can be unclear at times what your goal is. While I have great respect for your speaking ability and your infallible logic, I do find myself lost when pondering the question of, if I may, "What exactly is the difference between your freedom, and her freedom? What is freedom? Liberation? From what? For what? And why?"


Evet Morrel
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:16:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Evet Morrel on 01/06/2011 15:23:38

To the RK captains, I will inhibit your race to the bottom, your desperation to act out your tragic apotheosis, your sub humanism, in space. But, I will make one point, there is a difference between morality and moralizing.

The keenness with which one is able to appreciate freedom is based on one’s ability to perceive, and the extension of perception: the freedom to reciprocate and understand the minds of others, basically to feel. Otherwise its simply the freedom to kill and stock pile the fruit of your own envy, what kind of freedom is that. The ability to appreciate what freedom promises are its only limits. Freedom is therefore self limiting, and freedom must assert the existence of the freedoms of others as constitutive of its own freedom.

For what purpose freedom if not to extend your ability to feel, to find in others yourself and all delight, which involves sharing and empathy. For the will to rule is not freedom but weakness: the fear of the inner slave soul shrouded it in a royal cloak - rather freedom is the power to cooperate – which is the philosophers’ mercury. It anticipates more than what is, and reaches forward to the saltation to come: the product of cooperation itself - the great riches of that shared future.

While most Fractioneers wouldn't advance ethics as an argument in defense of ideology our NRDS is nonetheless an necessary prerequisite for a deontological explanation of Justice. By which it is meant that the principle of reciprocal or mutual freedom must be grounded in equity or fairness, so that when we speak of freedom we are also speaking of justice. I am not moralizing when I speak of justice or legitimacy, but of the original position in the state of nature, and of its law: a natural right to the liberty to do anything one wills to preserve one’s own life. This is the only basis upon which justice can be founded.

In extension your theory of freedom: to devour all, take all that you envy and wantonly destroy all that you can't use: your philosophy of consumption will produce one thing only. Indeed you all ready appear to be full of it.

For us our NRDS is an expression of our commitment to free space, to a profound respect for mutual external relationships between beings, acting as the Archimedean point outside of any political objective, conditioning the Fraction's dealings with everyone. For without this the logical pull towards defection, towards fear is overwhelming. In its strong form this NRDS is free-space.

I am a free captain because of this, when I look at you I see only pirates.

Counter-insurgency

Nemesor
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:23:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Evet Morrel
Edited by: Evet Morrel on 01/06/2011 15:19:52

I am a free captain because of this, when I look at you I see only pirates.





Funny, when I look at you or any other Fractionite, I see prey.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:28:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/06/2011 15:29:37

Originally by: Nemesor
Funny, when I look at you or any other Fractionite, I see prey.


I imagine a slaverhound has much the same thought-process and depth to its intellectual development.
(and probably similar capability to achieve its boasts in space)

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:33:00 - [44]
 


You ask a fair question monsieur Galente and I am happy to answer it directly. There is a practical answer and an ideological answer.

First the practical:

The Star Fraction fights to assert our right to conduct free transit and commercial activity in New Eden where and when we chose. And by practising NRDS engagement ideology we choose not to inhibit the rights of other neutral parties to do the same. We wish to encourage and trade and commerce and since our enemies are generally those who stand opposed to such things, we can quite evidently claim to be standing in the subjective “right” in the perceptions of those who wish to see development and commercial success in low-security and nullsec space.

To illustrate simply: We have recently moved the focus of our operations to Placid Region where the Fraction has established an HQ and various staging towers. Our intention here is to build profitable relationships with neutrals and friends while finding opportunity to engage and confront those organizations who choose to bring hostility and violence against our shipping. We began our journey in this Star Cluster as traders in rare commodities travelling to dangerous places, it is a part of our history we have never lost. There needs to be a purpose to fighting – and engaging the enemies of freespace, free-commerce and free-movement in New Eden is a cause of flair and clarity.

And the ideological:

We believe that freedom cannot be imposed from above. We are anarchists, individualists, non-conformist anti-state radicals and revolutionaries. We believe that capsuleers can show the way to free mankind of the shackles of hierarchy and state-violence and demonstrate the virtues of free-association and voluntary collaboration to profitable ends.

By demonstrating our ability to exist and flourish in the dangerous environment of Placid we set an example that others may choose to follow. There is no need to live in fear of pirates and ravagers and brigands, one has only to learn to stand and fight back – coexist and trade with honest pilots, evade, trap or confront the dishonest. Our revolution is a fight that is won in a million tiny skirmishes and our example reflected in a new pilot deciding to stand and fight back rather than submit to monolithic hierarchy or slip to random violence means more than a thousand ship kills and vapid boasts.

And as to the difference between our freedom and Tatsuo Nuko’s freedom?

On one level these is little. One is free to act as they chose. But one is never free from consequence. We believe in demonstrating our Freedom to choose whether we kill or not, to choose to trade and respect diplomacy and arrangements, to conduct business and profitable exchange is as powerful as Tatsuo Nuko’s choice to consider herself a simple predator and all other life her prey.

The consequence of our choice to respect neutrality in the interest of business and progressive commercial interaction is hostility and vendettas from the likes of Rote Kapelle and Veto.

The consequence of her choice to murder everyone she meets in demonstration of her freedom is that we consider her a disappointment and betrayer of the potential of capsuleer immortality who is simply regressing to the role of tyrant she once opposed.

-cont.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:34:00 - [45]
 


What is Freedom? – The freedom to make a choice.

What is Liberation? – Enabling or encouraging another to make a choice.

Freedom from what? – Bad ideas in the main. Freedom from regressive thinking and the status quo that teaches us we are simply weapons to be used for the governments of the cluster to fight their wars and imprison their people.

Freedom for what? – Freedom to make friends, freedom to make money, freedom to build and grow, freedom to explore and discover, freedom to break the bonds of our imposed reality and reach towards a better future where humanity transcends this political stasis and launches world-ships to the stars of Pleides where our children will dance and make us smile anew.

And the “why” monsieur? – well *smiles* because we can.


Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:45:00 - [46]
 

Yes dear Jade, the dance continues. It is quite true that "the majority of [my] public writing" has for the last two years been related to you and yours. However, this thing with "need" and "close obsession" is amusing. I have been so obsessed with you that the sum total of my writing is... what? 10 posts? Over two years? Now sure, those 10-ish posts are indeed a majority, because I haven't been writing much about anything in public. See how easy it is to change a picture depending on the words one chooses to describe it?

If you feel better through classifying an average of one post every two months as an obsession, go ahead.

Now, I am however amused by your linguistic little dance. "Mercy"...

I'll give you a hint, dear Jade: I'm just having fun. I didn't adress you and didn't intend to do so, but after you came down with thunder and gnashing teeth I just couldn't restrain myself from stringing you on for a little bit. No doubt you are also just having fun (or at least so I hope) - it takes some sort of underlying passion for opaque wordplay to write in the needlessly convoluted manner that you do. But right now you are just plain and simply being silly. It is an amusing display though so don't let me stop you. You have dug yourself so far up your own delusions that I'm surprised we don't hear you talking about how the transcendent teapots are giving you your information.

But unfortunately, as has been clearly displayed, attempting discussion with the insane is a meaningless excercise. One might as well try to argue epistemology with a grilled fedo.

Still though, keep it up. Your organization does still contain some people of quality and merit, and hopefully they'll have the opportunity to continue with whatever makes them happy. To them: congratulations on your achievements and keep it up.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:49:00 - [47]
 

Nemesor... ah that's a name that brings me good memories.

Anyways, to the thread: Although the Universe is very aware that I'm no lover of these "We will force you to be free" anarchist mind set, I'll raise a toast to your celebration because of the umpredictable consequences that chaos theory permitted it to be shaped.
If it wasn't by such Ideals, many years ago a certain Gallente wouldn't have requested an audience with me and as consequence something would be less brighter to the future.

So a toast to the ideals which has made a Gallente woman so blind and crazy to the point of thinking she could enter the ship of an Amarrian Sani Sabik Sovereign to sell politics many years ago. The idea itself was so daring and absurd that the Universe decided to make a twist of it on its own way.

You came to sell politics and failed. But you left my ship with something far more precious which would shape the destiny of many including yours.

* raises her glass *
Always dance to celebrate.


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik







Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:56:00 - [48]
 

Oh, I like those answers. While I am currently stuck in High Sec space (relatively new), you can count on my future support.


Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:57:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/06/2011 15:58:50

The point you conveniently skip over Tatsue is that I was suggesting there is nothing else for you to talk about, that is why you’ve made perhaps a dozen posts in two years and the grand majority of those are about us.

I challenged you to tell me what else you stand for?
What you are doing?
How exactly you differ from the idiot rank and file of your associations? (That you assured us you do not identify yourself with).

Now of course you can claim your post count is not exactly impressive in the Ixirus school of forum stalking – but he does at least prove himself an equal-opportunity shotgun frother, and rarely limits his range to a single subject. You on the other hand talk about nothing else!

So we’ll close the dance with the “I’m less bothered than you” minuet (as usual until the next time).

As for insanity and the virtues of speaking to the “clearly teapot” I’m quite content to measure my grasp of reality and intention to conduct fair and equitable business relationships with neutral standing pilots in New Eden against your furious nihilism and blood-thirsty desire to “burn the world”.

It is said that a psychopath rarely takes responsibility for the actions conducted – you prove that point quite admirably Tatsue. By all means keep murdering neutrals and telling yourself the screams of the dying are paeans to your sanity while the hulls tumble and burn in the void.

Such sanity you can keep. I prefer honesty any day of the week.


Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:59:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Nemesor... ah that's a name that brings me good memories.

Anyways, to the thread: Although the Universe is very aware that I'm no lover of these "We will force you to be free" anarchist mind set, I'll raise a toast to your celebration because of the umpredictable consequences that chaos theory permitted it to be shaped.
If it wasn't by such Ideals, many years ago a certain Gallente wouldn't have requested an audience with me and as consequence something would be less brighter to the future.

So a toast to the ideals which has made a Gallente woman so blind and crazy to the point of thinking she could enter the ship of an Amarrian Sani Sabik Sovereign to sell politics many years ago. The idea itself was so daring and absurd that the Universe decided to make a twist of it on its own way.

You came to sell politics and failed. But you left my ship with something far more precious which would shape the destiny of many including yours.

* raises her glass *
Always dance to celebrate.


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik









Politics in and of itself is useless. A toast to that? Cool


Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.01 16:11:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Nemesor... ah that's a name that brings me good memories.


Perhaps you had a slaverhound by that name love?

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Anyways, to the thread: Although the Universe is very aware that I'm no lover of these "We will force you to be free" anarchist mind set, I'll raise a toast to your celebration because of the unpredictable consequences that chaos theory permitted it to be shaped. If it wasn't by such Ideals, many years ago a certain Gallente wouldn't have requested an audience with me and as consequence something would be less brighter to the future. So a toast to the ideals which has made a Gallente woman so blind and crazy to the point of thinking she could enter the ship of an Amarrian Sani Sabik Sovereign to sell politics many years ago. The idea itself was so daring and absurd that the Universe decided to make a twist of it on its own way. You came to sell politics and failed. But you left my ship with something far more precious which would shape the destiny of many including yours.


Many people make a mistake of reading such in your opening quote. There is no forcing people to be free - such a thing is lunacy and is only raised as a straw-man target to be dismantled at the service of those who wish profoundly that nobody should be free. We can speak of freedom, we can sing of freedom, I can dance to the music of freedom and show others how it is to live in freedom. The revolution is in demonstration and example and burns in the witness heart of those touched by its flame.

Let us not give breath to the windy-lies of idiots and fools, morons and scraping non-entities that type out this rubbish with their knuckles while planning the next depravity on the weak.

You know the truth of our revolution my lady Neferis, you have seen it in my eyes and tasted it on my lips and danced with me through wild nights of liberation and discovery.

One cannot force freedom and only the most purile fraudster would claim I have ever tried.

We can however bring annihilation and woe to those who would limit our freedom.

And you and I have done this many times in the course of our history to the discomfiture of theocratic tyrant, statist functionary or nithling brigand king alike.

Quote:
* raises her glass *
Always dance to celebrate.


To freedom forever,
revolution without end,
to fire and madness and the passion of dreams beyond control,
because in truth,
nothing ever burns down by itself my love ...


Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.06.01 16:45:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 01/06/2011 16:48:35
Originally by: Jason Galente
Politics in and of itself is useless. A toast to that? Cool



Depends of what you are drinking.

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Perhaps you had a slaverhound by that name love?


Oh please.
Nemesor was a fine capsuleer , I do have found memories of our interactions before the storm. I'm particularly found of one, an holographic bird he once gave to me inside the Maison. There was a beautiful story behind that but here is not the place to go deeper on it.


Originally by: Jade Constantine
Many people make a mistake of reading such in your opening quote. There is no forcing people to be free - such a thing is lunacy and is only raised as a straw-man target to be dismantled at the service of those who wish profoundly that nobody should be free. We can speak of freedom, we can sing of freedom, I can dance to the music of freedom and show others how it is to live in freedom. The revolution is in demonstration and example and burns in the witness heart of those touched by its flame.


There is no mistake to be made by reading my opening quote. I'm an Amarrian Sovereign, Sani Sabik and by that alone I live by the principles of my faith which is simply: Power dictates any freedom.
Freedom, itself is an illusion, a word, a granted mercy of concept that those who have power, grants to those who haven't, so they can have the illusion of something to fight for. It's a form of control like any other.
But as the Protocols of Sani Sabik states: the only true freedom that could ever exist is when you have power enough to exercise your Will even if it be above the will of others.
Any freedom ends when it encounters a stronger will to overcome it.

"We will force you to be free" doesn't exist, in the same way as any fight for freedom is also an absurd concept.
Only those who accumulates power are seeking true freedom. In truth, It's a path that I have lived by without hesitation.
It's a paradox to think that many "tyrants" are the only practical example of true freedom, isn't it beautiful?


Originally by: Jade Constantine
You know the truth of our revolution my lady Neferis, you have seen it in my eyes and tasted it on my lips and danced with me through wild nights of liberation and discovery.


Can't deny you're quite an expert in such revolutions Jacqueline.


Originally by: Jade Constantine
We can however bring annihilation and woe to those who would limit our freedom.

And you and I have done this many times in the course of our history to the discomfiture of theocratic tyrant, statist functionary or nithling brigand king alike.


As I stated above, it's a battle of Wills. What I want will preval over what I don't want as long as I have power enough to assure it.

Funny, a thought came to my mind: it's rather ironic that me, being a tyrant, an Amarr , a Sani Sabik Sovereign, a banker, someone who advocates a Single Universal Order by Power alone, understands that the consequences of such ideals are what you call freedom, after all.


Originally by: Jade Constantine

nothing ever burns down by itself my love ...



I just happen to like Fires.
A lot.

* blows a kiss to her lover *

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.01 16:57:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 01/06/2011 16:48:35
Originally by: Jason Galente
Politics in and of itself is useless. A toast to that? Cool



Depends of what you are drinking.


Funny, a thought came to my mind: it's rather ironic that me, being a tyrant, an Amarr , a Sani Sabik Sovereign, a banker, someone who advocates a Single Universal Order by Power alone, understands that the consequences of such ideals are what you call freedom, after all.


Originally by: Jade Constantine

nothing ever burns down by itself my love ...



I just happen to like Fires.
A lot.

* blows a kiss to her lover *

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



I would argue otherwise. Rather, I believe that the consequences of a properly equipped freedom movement, if successful, would merely establish such 'Order' as you call it: create the new status quo. Organize a new hierarchy and a new system of power. Power and tyranny never dies, it just transfers. History is one big circle of this happening endlessly. By trying to fight tyranny, most end up becoming tyrants themselves. Freedom is the means to Tyranny as the ends. And it is the devout but blind loyalty of the simple minded to such causes that enables this to continue.


Nemesor
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.01 17:01:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Nemesor on 01/06/2011 17:01:35
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Nemesor... ah that's a name that brings me good memories.


Perhaps you had a slaverhound by that name love?


Oh Jade. I find it absolutely adorable when you start name calling. It lets your opponent know that they are actually getting to you. Don't forget, I listened to you froth and gnash your teeth for hours on end during comms about Archbishop, Gorion... basically whoever was playing the part of target for your verbal vomit that week.

Secret to Jade's enemies. Yes she does care and yes it does eat at her endlessly. Like an emotional teenager, "Why oh why won't they just understand!?"

Back to the matter at hand... more circular logic from the Star Fraction. Ineptly waltzing between the knees of their betters like a girl-child with delusions of being the bride. I have no need to point out the weakness of your ideology. Your relevance does so far more effectively. Your actual impact does so to far greater effect.

Eight years and the only thing that has changed is you are less than you were.


Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.06.01 17:05:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Jason Galente
By trying to fight tyranny, most end up becoming tyrants themselves. Freedom is the means to Tyranny as the ends.


Isn't the Universe beautiful? The mirror effect is always fantastic, and some concepts are truly almost ambigramatic symbols per se.


I like your signature btw.


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.01 17:07:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Nemesor
Edited by: Nemesor on 01/06/2011 17:01:35
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Nemesor... ah that's a name that brings me good memories.


Perhaps you had a slaverhound by that name love?


Oh Jade. I find it absolutely adorable when you start name calling. It lets your opponent know that they are actually getting to you. Don't forget, I listened to you froth and gnash your teeth for hours on end during comms about Archbishop, Gorion... basically whoever was playing the part of target for your verbal vomit that week.

Secret to Jade's enemies. Yes she does care and yes it does eat at her endlessly. Like an emotional teenager, "Why oh why won't they just understand!?"

Back to the matter at hand... more circular logic from the Star Fraction. Ineptly waltzing between the knees of their betters like a girl-child with delusions of being the bride. I have no need to point out the weakness of your ideology. Your relevance does so far more effectively. Your actual impact does so to far greater effect.

Eight years and the only thing that has changed is you are less than you were.





On the contrary, it is you who shows weakness while Jade remains resolute and calm. And their logic is straight forward and logical. Your logic, on the other hand, consists of what appears to be attempts to accuse Star Fraction of the same crimes you are guilty of. I think it would be best if you stop talking before you seriously embarrass yourself.


Nemesor
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.01 17:17:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Nemesor
Edited by: Nemesor on 01/06/2011 17:01:35
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Nemesor... ah that's a name that brings me good memories.


Perhaps you had a slaverhound by that name love?


Oh Jade. I find it absolutely adorable when you start name calling. It lets your opponent know that they are actually getting to you. Don't forget, I listened to you froth and gnash your teeth for hours on end during comms about Archbishop, Gorion... basically whoever was playing the part of target for your verbal vomit that week.

Secret to Jade's enemies. Yes she does care and yes it does eat at her endlessly. Like an emotional teenager, "Why oh why won't they just understand!?"

Back to the matter at hand... more circular logic from the Star Fraction. Ineptly waltzing between the knees of their betters like a girl-child with delusions of being the bride. I have no need to point out the weakness of your ideology. Your relevance does so far more effectively. Your actual impact does so to far greater effect.

Eight years and the only thing that has changed is you are less than you were.





On the contrary, it is you who shows weakness while Jade remains resolute and calm. And their logic is straight forward and logical. Your logic, on the other hand, consists of what appears to be attempts to accuse Star Fraction of the same crimes you are guilty of. I think it would be best if you stop talking before you seriously embarrass yourself.




I am sure Jade appreciates the rescue, good sir knight.

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.01 17:22:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Nemesor
Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Nemesor
Edited by: Nemesor on 01/06/2011 17:01:35

Oh Jade. I find it absolutely adorable when you start name calling. It lets your opponent know that they are actually getting to you. Don't forget, I listened to you froth and gnash your teeth for hours on end during comms about Archbishop, Gorion... basically whoever was playing the part of target for your verbal vomit that week.

Secret to Jade's enemies. Yes she does care and yes it does eat at her endlessly. Like an emotional teenager, "Why oh why won't they just understand!?"

Back to the matter at hand... more circular logic from the Star Fraction. Ineptly waltzing between the knees of their betters like a girl-child with delusions of being the bride. I have no need to point out the weakness of your ideology. Your relevance does so far more effectively. Your actual impact does so to far greater effect.

Eight years and the only thing that has changed is you are less than you were.





On the contrary, it is you who shows weakness while Jade remains resolute and calm. And their logic is straight forward and logical. Your logic, on the other hand, consists of what appears to be attempts to accuse Star Fraction of the same crimes you are guilty of. I think it would be best if you stop talking before you seriously embarrass yourself.




I am sure Jade appreciates the rescue, good sir knight.



Is it a rescue if there is no real threat?



Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:06:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis

I just happen to like Fires.
A lot.


Hmm. I have something in common with Revan. Perhaps this clone is starting to deteriorate and impact my sanity after all.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:36:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Bacchanalian
Originally by: Revan Neferis

I just happen to like Fires.
A lot.


Hmm. I have something in common with Revan. Perhaps this clone is starting to deteriorate and impact my sanity after all.


That's a good thing. For capsuleers who have been at space as long as we are and have seen, lived and experienced all the hell and heaven that this Universe is capable to offer, I'd say that sanity is long time overrated. But none of us would be who we are if we didn't know this already hum?

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



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