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Jozar Bohman
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:23:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Herring
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Kronir

I foresee trouble with PLEX. Unless CCP have planned for PLEX price increases.



They stated in a few places that they will deal with the plex market if it gets out of control, didn't say how though.


Sounds like classic Bernanke babble to me Laughing


lol, well eve is a fiat currency system.. actually it's a fiat universe... So i'm sure CCP can control whatever they want and fix whatever they want even easier than Bernake can.

xavier69
Gallente
Stark Enterprises LLC
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:28:00 - [62]
 

Droves leaving eve because earning plex became to much of a pain in the ass

WTF are you talking about that happened when they released PI

Who the fuk wanted to do all that on top of invention and manf to make enough for a few plexes

I saw the major player drop after PI release even the recent changes to PI really havenít made that system anything less than cutting out your eyes with a spoon

Pretty sure EVE hit rock bottom a while ago why they are so focus on carebearism 90% of the hardcore players gave CCP the finger and rolled about a year ago

cause 0.0 folks care about avatars and incursions...

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:32:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: xavier69
Droves leaving eve because earning plex became to much of a pain in the ass

WTF are you talking about that happened when they released PI

Who the fuk wanted to do all that on top of invention and manf to make enough for a few plexes

I saw the major player drop after PI release even the recent changes to PI really havenít made that system anything less than cutting out your eyes with a spoon

Pretty sure EVE hit rock bottom a while ago why they are so focus on carebearism 90% of the hardcore players gave CCP the finger and rolled about a year ago

cause 0.0 folks care about avatars and incursions...



Confirming EVE is dying... still...

BLACK-STAR
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:38:00 - [64]
 

PLEX HOARDERS: GTFO
ppl need them and they have this thought... the other day someone posted "HEY if I buy PLEX I'm going to resell it for more to profit myself"

ppl that want to actually use PLEX are paying ~200m additionally nowadays and its steadily rising (ridiculous). It's going to choke the community. PLEX needs expire dates or half of them will NEVER be used, ever at all times as it currently stands.

Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:49:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: BLACK-STAR
PLEX HOARDERS: GTFO
ppl need them and they have this thought... the other day someone posted "HEY if I buy PLEX I'm going to resell it for more to profit myself"

ppl that want to actually use PLEX are paying ~200m additionally nowadays and its steadily rising (ridiculous). It's going to choke the community. PLEX needs expire dates or half of them will NEVER be used, ever at all times as it currently stands.


Confirming that paying eve with PLEX is an entitlement not a privilege.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:50:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Aelius
PLEXes nowadays are mainly used to "play for free" or "play for ISK", or "I have loads of RL money and i want ISK to play Internet spaceships BIG". In this case one hand washes the other.

The RL "poor" player needs to spend some game time doing "EVE work" (mine, gas, rat, etc) to make ISK to pay for PLEX and to pay for some ships to play with.


You ignore the large number of EVE-rich folks to whom a billion ISK isn't too much to ask for a PLEX. People running alliances who collect taxes here and there, take a percentage off moon-goo sales, engage in other activities which are much more lucrative than mission-running, etc.

I agree that the RL-poor and EVE-poor folks will end up having to drop out of the game. In the meantime the PLEX prices will continue to rise as people start gearing up with all those fancy clothes, paint jobs, kittens, whatever else comes out of the Aurum store.

The Aurum store will also provide new avenues for making ISK, so it's not all bad news.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:53:00 - [67]
 

I'm selling off my PLEX stash sparingly so that if the prices skyrocket I can profit and if the prices plummet I didn't lose it all, I'm covered either way Very Happy

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:54:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 01/06/2011 04:54:12
Originally by: Terghon Tu
Actually, Aurum could lower PLEX prices. Remember, you cannot buy one PLEX for real money; you buy a GTC which gives you two PLEX. So, if people with real money buy GTC for PLEX, convert one PLEX to Aurum for clothes and put the other on the market the supply could increase, dropping the price.

I'm not expecting that, but it is a reasonable possibility.

Very unlikely. Don't forget you can buy AUR for ISK too. If you want that fabulous hat, you can also buy 1,000 AUR for say 100 mil ISK.
Originally by: heheheh
I earn enough to pay for several accounts, but if i can play a game for free without having to use my hard earned pennies i will.

Same here. I just refuse to pay for more than one account.
Originally by: Stella SGP
For people who struggles with $15 a month, they really shouldn't be spending their time on any games

Besides, there's plenty of ftp games around there. For some people $30 a month is still quite an amount. On the other hand, if you deliver some newspapers a few hours a week you'll easily make that $30, at least faster than by grinding ISK.

Ami Nia
Posted - 2011.06.01 05:19:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Ami Nia on 01/06/2011 05:19:58
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Don't forget you can buy AUR for ISK too.
no, you cannot.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.01 05:23:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Ami Nia
Edited by: Ami Nia on 01/06/2011 05:19:58
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Don't forget you can buy AUR for ISK too.
no, you cannot.


True, but people can sell the stuff they bought with Aur for isk. So I guess it's like a third hand buying aur with isk kinda thing Very Happy

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.06.01 05:30:00 - [71]
 


Rosa Cardenalis
Posted - 2011.06.01 05:55:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Rosa Cardenalis on 01/06/2011 05:56:12
Edited by: Rosa Cardenalis on 01/06/2011 05:55:46
Originally by: Surprise *******s
Haha, didn't realize going to college was such a bad priority. Proof again of everything I've said.


I think the problem is that its hard to believe that many people - even a colledge student have a budget that cannot possibly handle $15 per month.

Thats a very low price for what could be a whole month of entertainment. There are not many other forms of modern entertainment that can be found for that price.

If it were me, I would see the $15 as a way to save money as it would mean that I could have as much of my favourite form of entertainment as I want for just $15 per month.

Whats more likely is that you do not want to pay the $15 per month, which is fine, it just means you value other things more highly than eve. But I bet if you went through your monthly expenditure, you could find that $15 if you really wanted to. Where I live, $15 is the cost of 1 Beer.

Rosa Cardenalis
Posted - 2011.06.01 06:01:00 - [73]
 

As an after thought, if plex prices go up, you could always pay for every other month with PLEX making your sub $7 / month?

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.01 06:07:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Another thread, another solution...


I'd prefer to see expiry dates on items, rather than artificially limiting the number of times an item can be traded.

All the milk and cattle in my hangar has to go "off" at some time, doesn't it? Gift cards have expiry dates (ask the shop - they stop accepting them after two or three years).

A "simple" solution to the PLEX hoarding problem is to add an age limit of a few months. There is still plenty of opportunity to speculate, with the proviso that you can't indefinitely hoard PLEX to suddenly dump 5800 of them on the market when CCP tries fighting your RMT operation.

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.06.01 06:15:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Another thread, another solution...


I'd prefer to see expiry dates on items, rather than artificially limiting the number of times an item can be traded.

All the milk and cattle in my hangar has to go "off" at some time, doesn't it? Gift cards have expiry dates (ask the shop - they stop accepting them after two or three years).

A "simple" solution to the PLEX hoarding problem is to add an age limit of a few months. There is still plenty of opportunity to speculate, with the proviso that you can't indefinitely hoard PLEX to suddenly dump 5800 of them on the market when CCP tries fighting your RMT operation.



Yes expiry date would work fine also. Just little harder to implement as every print would need own counter and some way to track that together with some notification service which would prevent accidental expiration of plexes in your hangar.

However ignoring all mentioned above, it would surely be the best solution as long it is implemented correctly.

Candente
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.01 06:27:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Stella SGP
Originally by: BLACK-STAR
PLEX HOARDERS: GTFO
ppl need them and they have this thought... the other day someone posted "HEY if I buy PLEX I'm going to resell it for more to profit myself"

ppl that want to actually use PLEX are paying ~200m additionally nowadays and its steadily rising (ridiculous). It's going to choke the community. PLEX needs expire dates or half of them will NEVER be used, ever at all times as it currently stands.


Confirming that paying eve with PLEX is an entitlement not a privilege.


The ability to use PLEX is neither an entitlement or privilege, it's an indirect trade partnership between the PLEX buyers and CCP. CCP should and does care about the price of PLEX and the general inflation of ISK. To counter hoarding PLEX and create much needed ISK sinks, CCP should seed PLEX in a way that doesn't hurt the demand of GTC.

Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
Posted - 2011.06.01 06:28:00 - [77]
 

I don't care how much plexes sell for or how many people leave because they can't afford to play for free any more.

The only thing I only care about is the size of my wallet.

Everybody should start hoarding GTCs as soon as possible because once Aurum lands and the demand for plex sky rockets we will all be rich.

Shira Elan
Posted - 2011.06.01 06:28:00 - [78]
 

WoW has 10 million subscribers who pay full price and many of them work minimum wage jobs.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.01 06:30:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Sandwich PvP
Originally by: Rico Minali
Originally by: Stella SGP
Edited by: Stella SGP on 31/05/2011 23:36:36
For people who struggles with $15 a month, they really shouldn't be spending their time on any games .


Really? I work 42 hours a week across 4 days, my wife works the other 3, we have 2 kids and cant afford chilcare so one of us needs to be home all the time. We have a mortgage and debts, I can't afford to pay for two accounts so I pay with plex, I am ceo of a pvp corp so as you can imagine dont get a huge amnount of time to make isk. Up till now I have managed, but if plex goes higher than it is now, one account will go. If it turns out to be too expensive even with one account then possibly Ill think about quitting.

Dont assume that people who cant pay for the game with cash are jobless or lazy...


Yes, but you aren't a paying CCP customer, so why would they care about your situation? Cool


If you are seriously asking you fail at life, and if not you are trolling.

Did anyone explain it yet? was he seriously asking?

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.01 06:42:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Alexandra Delarge
I don't care how much plexes sell for or how many people leave because they can't afford to play for free any more.

The only thing I only care about is the size of my wallet.

Everybody should start hoarding GTCs as soon as possible because once Aurum lands and the demand for plex sky rockets we will all be rich.


Oh I lay in my pile of PLEX and pinch my nipples while listening to Queen Very Happy

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.01 07:03:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Aelius


Is CCP considering this possible outcome of being tampering with the PLEX system beyond it's original design? Because you (CCP) know that the player numbers you have right now, you owe it in part to "free play" players created by the PLEX. If the PLEX system "dies" by overgrowing beyond its possibilities, a part of EVE's player base will "die" too.


I guess the short version of the answer is "yes, we are aware of the possible implications". Those two posts by CCP Dr.EyjoG contain a bit more information on the subject.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.06.01 07:12:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire


I guess the short version of the answer is "yes, we are aware of the possible implications". Those two posts by CCP Dr.EyjoG contain a bit more information on the subject.



Speaking of possible implications, have you considered what will happen to industrial alt accounts that are mainly funded with PLEX? If one can not break the profitability limit for an alt account (PLEX + at least something on top to fund the main one's PvP), a lot of small to medium scale industrials will close their shops. Big players with a lot of ISK to invest will get even bigger and will be the only ones left on the market. As I know how bad it is in RL (happening in my country right now), I wouldn't like it to get inside EVE economy as well.

Aelexe
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.06.01 07:24:00 - [83]
 

If demand for PLEX is dropping due to ISK needs be met with a fewer amount, combined with less PLEX being bought by players due to the supposed drop in those using PLEX for their subscription, in theory the price for PLEX would eventually drop.

Lidia Prince
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.01 07:40:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Lidia Prince on 01/06/2011 07:42:35
If you'll think about it, who cares about people who can't even properly buy their gametime, who can't ever pay for services they are provided with? Too poor to pay $15? Are you kidding me?

Too poor? Pass on one drinking nightout.
Too young? Save pocket money.
Too "workless"? Go out and find a work you lazy piece of human garbage.
Too dumb? Well, that can't be helped. Go play F2P.

Skydell
Caldari
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2011.06.01 07:45:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Skydell
Your fears are unfounded and your paranoia makes people giggle.

You can convert Aurum to Plex too.


Incorrect info on my part. It is a Redeem bought Plex and is a UI shortcut to redeem Items rather than Esc to redeem. I mistook it for a redeem from Aurum.

Chicken Blood
Posted - 2011.06.01 08:09:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: MysteryZ
What can CCP do about it without hurting their own profits?

They can't seed plex on the market - every person who bought one from them would be costing them $15.

CCP could use for seeding the PLEX stored on banned RMT accounts or even the "destroyed" PLEX. Ofc, that would mean they will not instantly cash in the money, but on the other hand they will not lose income.

Also if CCP considers that PLEX hoarders brake their game, they could probably put a hard cap on number of PLEX per account. If somebody is stubborn, I guess it will have a hard time managing 50 accounts just to hoard PLEX.

I have confidence that, as long as money are involved, CCP will try to find a good balance.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.01 08:14:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 01/06/2011 08:14:37
Originally by: Lidia Prince
Too "workless"? Go out and find a work you lazy piece of human garbage.


not when you live in a country where everywhere you go (and I really mean everywhere) is either on bankrupcy, insolvency, or doesn't want to give you a job, no matter what your education level is.

I could emigrate out of this country, but that also costs money I don't haveLaughing

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.01 08:18:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 01/06/2011 08:18:19
I've noticed a trend in PLEX prices over the last few days... seems to have stabilized from about 410m-414m in Jita.

I call for a hold on plex selling! Let's get that price up!!! I want it at least doubled YARRRR!!

Jaari Val'Dara
Caldari
Deep Space Nomads Corp
Posted - 2011.06.01 08:54:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Rosa Cardenalis
Edited by: Rosa Cardenalis on 01/06/2011 05:56:12
Edited by: Rosa Cardenalis on 01/06/2011 05:55:46
Originally by: Surprise *******s
Haha, didn't realize going to college was such a bad priority. Proof again of everything I've said.


I think the problem is that its hard to believe that many people - even a colledge student have a budget that cannot possibly handle $15 per month.

Thats a very low price for what could be a whole month of entertainment. There are not many other forms of modern entertainment that can be found for that price.

If it were me, I would see the $15 as a way to save money as it would mean that I could have as much of my favourite form of entertainment as I want for just $15 per month.

Whats more likely is that you do not want to pay the $15 per month, which is fine, it just means you value other things more highly than eve. But I bet if you went through your monthly expenditure, you could find that $15 if you really wanted to. Where I live, $15 is the cost of 1 Beer.


Where I live 15$ is the cost of 10 beers. Not everyone lives in a 1st world country.
I could pay 15$ for my main, but any more than that is impossibility, if plex prices goes too far, I will unsubscribe my alts.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.01 08:57:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Yulith Luss'Ferus

When I was a college student (undergrad) with barely a dime to my name, I didn't play MMOs - plain and simple, I worked and did activities that didn't have monthly upkeeps. You know, hang out with friends, watch movies, hell I met my wife too



Contradiction has been bolded.


Originally by: =Yulith Luss'Ferus

Sure, that's uncommon, but all you need is $15 - I'm sure you can honestly find a way to find $15 if you want to play EVE every month if you don't want to ISK it up for PLEX



Where do you live? Here (and other EU countries) if you are a student, your best bet is to ask a local mafia gang about becoming a pusher, you are not going to find a job even at a grocery.



Originally by: BLACK-STAR

PLEX HOARDERS: GTFO
ppl need them and they have this thought... the other day someone posted "HEY if I buy PLEX I'm going to resell it for more to profit myself"



EvE has a quasi-realistic economy.

Those who are just too dumb to read in months of forewarning and easily predict what will happen with PLEX deserve to work hard to feed those who were not dumb.
None forces anyone to learn the 101 of economy, but then you pay the consequences.


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Originally by: Lidia Prince
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Too "workless"? Go out and find a work you lazy piece of human garbage.
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not when you live in a country where everywhere you go (and I really mean everywhere) is either on bankrupcy, insolvency, or doesn't want to give you a job, no matter what your education level is.

I could emigrate out of this country, but that also costs money I don't have



Eh eh you have to live in my same place. I know no one - me included - who did not lose their job with the last recession.
Also, everyone older than 30 including me is honestly told in face they will NOT, EVER hire them again. Too old.


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