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Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.06.01 01:31:00 - [31]
 

What are Aurums? Link?

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.01 01:32:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Surprise *******s


Wow I wish I could live in ignorant oblivion like you. So I guess a college student who spends what little money they have on rent, phone, books, tuition, food and supplies so they have to rely on a plex to play this game doesn't have their priorities straight?



Nope, if money is that tight you should be working your ass off to make ends meet, not be playing internet spaceships

Mr Dilkington
Posted - 2011.06.01 01:34:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Nope, if money is that tight you should be working your ass off to make ends meet, not be playing internet spaceships


Why ?
becuase you say so ?
money is always tight for me but i would rather not waste my life working.

Surprise Cockfags
Posted - 2011.06.01 01:36:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Surprise *******s on 01/06/2011 01:45:08
So someone cant play eve for an hour or two each day after spending 3 hours in classes then spending 8 hours doing homework? What are you? One of those communist Chinese isk farmers?

Nypheas Azurai
Posted - 2011.06.01 01:45:00 - [35]
 

No one can dictate to you what your priorities are in life, and likewise don't expect to dictate to everyone else what the priorities of PLEX should be because you can't afford it. Switch to subs, or go boohoo elsewhere. Perhaps try your local Korean F2P MMO.

Surprise Cockfags
Posted - 2011.06.01 01:50:00 - [36]
 

Haha, didn't realize going to college was such a bad priority. Proof again of everything I've said.

Mister Rocknrolla
Posted - 2011.06.01 01:54:00 - [37]
 


How many times does this need to be said?

CCP isn't raising the isk price of PLEX. Our fellow players are. Players with large amounts of isk are hoarding PLEX, speculating the price will rise. It's a "bubble." There are too many PLEX in-game, but not enough on the market.

The beauty of hoarding PLEX is that, worst case, you have 30days game time per PLEX if the market tanks. AUR will suck PLEX (aka gametime liability) out of the game. The last thing CCP should do is inject more PLEX into the system.

Maybe PLEX needs an expiration date / lifespan.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.06.01 01:55:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
It will find it's own balance.

If the ISK price for PLEX goes to high, demand will drop. If demand drops the ISK price for PLEX will lower.

It is a self-correcting situation.



The (potnential) problem is that if the demand curve starts to slope down after a certain point as the value is so good buyers isk needs are met buying fewer plex, the settling price of supply and demand could be 10 or 15% less than the maximum that could be sold (hence less ccp revenue). In addition to less revenue, there would be a few other less than optimum game balancing and marketing negatives.

Of course, some of that is subjective and I do use the word "if" but that is my opinion with the limited information I can use to make a guess from.

Viule Sawyr
Posted - 2011.06.01 02:04:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Viule Sawyr on 01/06/2011 02:07:50

High plex prices mean alt accounts get shut down. I don't think there are many that would completely stop playing, just because of high plex prices they would simply just stop using "extra" accounts.

It becomes a matter of is it worth playing 400+ mil ISK to feed an alt account or would you rather use that 400mil on shinny stuff for your main. Yea I could easily pay for alts with RL ISKies but up til now it's been easy enough to make the ISK to cover extra accounts.

For now I'm just gonna sub 2 accounts for 3 months with RL ISK and see where the plex's go from there. Having more than 2 accounts is not worth an extra $15 or 400 mil ISK to me so essentially high plex price = less accounts simple as that. If prices come back down again I'll re open the other accounts via plex if not I'll just keep my 2 mains open via RL funds.

Currently there is speculation of wide usage of plexes with the new change, yet what isn't added to that speculation is the 100s if not thousands of alt accounts that are closing and will no longer be using those plexes. I'm sure once that starts to sink in, the prices will go back to a reasonable realm. (personally I'm closing 2 accounts)




Darth McDarth
Posted - 2011.06.01 02:17:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Surprise *******s


Wow I wish I could live in ignorant oblivion like you. So I guess a college student who spends what little money they have on rent, phone, books, tuition, food and supplies so they have to rely on a plex to play this game doesn't have their priorities straight?


I'm a college student living on loans and work, and I can easily afford to keep 2 accounts running. If you're a college student and don't have a couple hundred dollars a month disposable income, you're doing something wrong.

Yulith Luss'Ferus
Posted - 2011.06.01 02:28:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Darth McDarth
Originally by: Surprise *******s


Wow I wish I could live in ignorant oblivion like you. So I guess a college student who spends what little money they have on rent, phone, books, tuition, food and supplies so they have to rely on a plex to play this game doesn't have their priorities straight?


I'm a college student living on loans and work, and I can easily afford to keep 2 accounts running. If you're a college student and don't have a couple hundred dollars a month disposable income, you're doing something wrong.


Felt the need to provide my experience from both sides. When I was a college student (undergrad) with barely a dime to my name, I didn't play MMOs - plain and simple, I worked and did activities that didn't have monthly upkeeps. You know, hang out with friends, watch movies, hell I met my wife too. If you seriously can't afford $15/month then do either 1) figure out a way to earn $15 more a month (cut costs or pick up a 1 day a week job at a grocery store or something), or 2) Don't play P2P MMOs.

Simple.

What did I do? I spread the word that I was a math tutor. Eventually I found a client in a rich town who offered me $80/hr 1 hr a week for 1 semester. That's all I needed. Sure, that's uncommon, but all you need is $15 - I'm sure you can honestly find a way to find $15 if you want to play EVE every month if you don't want to ISK it up for PLEX. Unplug your appliances when you're not using them, I bet you'll save almost $15/month in electricity off the microwave alone.

Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
Posted - 2011.06.01 02:33:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Surprise *******s


Wow I wish I could live in ignorant oblivion like you. So I guess a college student who spends what little money they have on rent, phone, books, tuition, food and supplies so they have to rely on a plex to play this game doesn't have their priorities straight?



I'm sorry if working 4 hours a month to pay for 2 accounts is too hard for you, but wouldn't you be spending more then 4 hours to grind the necessary ISK to pay for the PLEX?

Get your priorities straight, playing any games is a luxury, not a birth right. Especially if you are tight on $.

Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
Posted - 2011.06.01 02:42:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Mr Dilkington

Why ?
becuase you say so ?
money is always tight for me but i would rather not waste my life working.


If you don't wana waste your life working thats fine, but don't come crying that you can't afford $15 a month on games.

Harisdrop
Gallente
Vindicate and Deliverance
Posted - 2011.06.01 02:46:00 - [44]
 

How did EvE ever leave 2003 there where no plex's then...

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.06.01 02:56:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Harisdrop
How did EvE ever leave 2003 there where no plex's then...


There were no PLEXES for a LOOONG time after that as well.

People did buy GTC's but the entire system was sloppy in how those transactions were handled. Mainly CCP kept their hands out of it. There were however scams left and right involving GTC.

Sadayiel
Caldari
Inner Conflict
Posted - 2011.06.01 02:57:00 - [46]
 

Also CCP said lot of players are hoarding PLEX for no other purpouse than keep them cheap or resell if prices rise so there can be a nice reduction in price this week if ppl start dropping those too.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.01 03:01:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: nubile slave
Originally by: Ranger 1
It will find it's own balance.

If the ISK price for PLEX goes to high, demand will drop. If demand drops the ISK price for PLEX will lower.

It is a self-correcting situation.



Clearly you don't understand the addiction. Addicts will pay any price. I'm thinking we have a lot of addicts in this game. Very Happy



Heh, well then it isn't a problem anyway is it. Very Happy Time to sell your room mates virtual stereo to get your fix.

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.06.01 03:03:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: nubile slave
Originally by: Ranger 1
It will find it's own balance.

If the ISK price for PLEX goes to high, demand will drop. If demand drops the ISK price for PLEX will lower.

It is a self-correcting situation.



Clearly you don't understand the addiction. Addicts will pay any price. I'm thinking we have a lot of addicts in this game. Very Happy



Heh, well then it isn't a problem anyway is it. Very Happy Time to sell your room mates virtual stereo to get your fix.



5 dollah!

Mister Rocknrolla
Posted - 2011.06.01 03:37:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: nubile slave
Originally by: Ranger 1
It will find it's own balance.

If the ISK price for PLEX goes to high, demand will drop. If demand drops the ISK price for PLEX will lower.

It is a self-correcting situation.



Clearly you don't understand the addiction. Addicts will pay any price. I'm thinking we have a lot of addicts in this game. Very Happy



Heh, well then it isn't a problem anyway is it. Very Happy Time to sell your room mates virtual stereo to get your fix.



LOL

Sold my roommate's kidney (or was it kidneys? Either way, it's a PLEX per) this afternoon. I'm sleeping in the car tonight to make sure the repo men get the right guy.


Skydell
Caldari
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2011.06.01 03:38:00 - [50]
 

Your fears are unfounded and your paranoia makes people giggle.

You can convert Aurum to Plex too.

Ami Nia
Posted - 2011.06.01 03:49:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Skydell
Your fears are unfounded and your paranoia makes people giggle.

You can convert Aurum to Plex too.
Unless they changed something today, no you cannot.

Sig Sour
Posted - 2011.06.01 03:56:00 - [52]
 

Solution: $10 PLEX

Ariel Dawn
Posted - 2011.06.01 03:57:00 - [53]
 

I remember the good 'ol days when a 90 day GTC cost 270-300m ISK.

The ISK faucets greatly outnumber the ISK sinks, only way PLEX prices are going up. There may be bubbles and bursts, but in the long term unless CCP changes something drastically, buy em if you're in no rush for immediate returns.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:01:00 - [54]
 

Something which seems to get skipped in every PLEX debate is...

CCP already control supply level.

Occasionally resellers will say "We don't have any more to sell for the month until CCP give us more"

Jozar Bohman
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:02:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Jozar Bohman on 01/06/2011 04:03:16
Originally by: Surprise *******s

Wow I wish I could live in ignorant oblivion like you. So I guess a college student who spends what little money they have on rent, phone, books, tuition, food and supplies so they have to rely on a plex to play this game doesn't have their priorities straight?



No they don't have their priorities straight, they should be studying and looking for a job... not play internet space games that they can't afford. Twisted Evil

Originally by: StillBorn CrackBaby
Personally if I had a business offering a product, customers who want service for no cash aren't the customers I want. I'd tell them to go elsewhere... Cheap buggers. No one has the "right" to play EVE, either pay up or get out...


You are wrong on this point, CCP should care about this, because the more the user base any game has, the more fun this game is (in theory). This is an MMO.. massively multiplayer. The whole idea behind F2P and microtransactions is that 90% of the players who don't pay, provide gameplay/fun for thet 10% of the players, that make them *want* to pay to play the game. By losing free-to-play players, there's a danger that any mmo company loses their paying customers as well. Of course CCP knows this already.. this is their business after all. I'm confident they will take whatever corrective measure to keep the user base. I'm confident they can fix it should they chose to.

Originally by: heheheh

I earn enough to pay for several accounts, but if i can play a game for free without having to use my hard earned pennies i will.


I'm with this guy, what's wrong with being a cheap bastard anyways? I make more than enough to pay for this game, but I'll still use plex to pay for it, if I make enough of it. A penny saved is a penny earned. Being frugal is a virtue... then again rises plex prices won't keep me up at night. Worst case i don't play this game and find something else fun to do.

Skydell
Caldari
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:03:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Ami Nia
Originally by: Skydell
Your fears are unfounded and your paranoia makes people giggle.

You can convert Aurum to Plex too.
Unless they changed something today, no you cannot.


Server isnt up right now or I'd get a screen shot of the Aurum store. And the Arum to GTC button

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:05:00 - [57]
 

I play by PLEX...if prices rise more...
..well its not the end of the world...

Subscription costs the same ammount that i spend on one weekend going out... and i have very little income (student ..etc)...

But some players that cant pay will leave the game...

...and also players that have no time for grinding isk and get it via PLEX will find harder and harder to sell their PLEX-es coz they will be to expensive...

and subsequently they will leave eve to coz they have no time for grinding isk and cant wait for a month + to sell their PLEX-es.

If the PLEX prices continue to rise that is...

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:10:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 01/06/2011 04:15:28
First of all, I mainly use PLEX to get the game time. It's not that I don't have $$$ , but I'm in a period of my life where I need every cent I can get to invest in my RL small programming company. That's also the reason why I can't play much to get the ISK and mainly playing these days to relax when it's raining outside, or when it's too hot.

With PLEX prices rising constantly + anomaly nerf, I was forced out of 0.0 space and all the in-game friends that I have because it became impossible to play the game, pay for PLEX with ISK and enjoy the game at the same time, while not spending time that I don't have in the game. This will change for me when my company starts working full-time and there's no more need for big investments (of time or money).

However, there are players living in different parts of the world that can't change their situation as easily as I can, or high-school students, college students, or just people that can live with the amount of money they are making, like to play games but would like to use PLEX because the additional $15 per account will simply not fit in their budget.

My personal experience (when looking at the amount of time I have to play and the amount of ISK I can get) is that:
- 300 mil for PLEX is a good price for all those people listed above, but somewhat too low for those that are selling PLEX to get the ISK.
- 350 mil for PLEX is an OK price for those paying with PLEX and OK price for those selling it for ISK
- 400 mil forces you out of PvP, while those selling get a good deal for their money
- 400-450 mil moves you out of 0.0 space, but it's fantastic for those selling
- 450+ mil forces you to grind during all the time you can get to play the game just for the sake of getting the ISK to pay for PLEX. Someone who temporarily needs to pay with PLEX but have the means to switch to cash based subscription can survive it for a while, but not forever. Also, the system like this will eventually become pointless for those that play this way and they will lose the interest in the game.
- 500 mil for PLEX is game over

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:13:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
Originally by: Ranger 1
It will find it's own balance.

If the ISK price for PLEX goes to high, demand will drop. If demand drops the ISK price for PLEX will lower.

It is a self-correcting situation.



The (potnential) problem is that if the demand curve starts to slope down after a certain point as the value is so good buyers isk needs are met buying fewer plex, the settling price of supply and demand could be 10 or 15% less than the maximum that could be sold (hence less ccp revenue). In addition to less revenue, there would be a few other less than optimum game balancing and marketing negatives.

Of course, some of that is subjective and I do use the word "if" but that is my opinion with the limited information I can use to make a guess from.


If the ISK price of PLEX goes too low, fewer are purchased for ISK resale. When fewer are available for ISK purchase, the demand (and ISK price) begins to rise.

As I said, it is self balancing.

Sure, there will be peaks and dips in the ISK price of a PLEX, but that's what keeps things interesting and competitive.

Now granted, people could spend a lot of ISK to buy up PLEX to hoard and artificially drive the prices up. But if they go too far with this (as some large entities and a few individuals have the resources to do) and start to damage the game economy (as well as place hardship on individual players) CCP has reserved the right to intervene. Likely this means that they if they find evidence of this they will inject more PLEX into the system. This would raise availability, drive prices down, and the people hoarding them would take a huge loss (and learn a valuable lesson in economic warfare).

In reality, just the fact that CCP has left this option open should be more than enough deterrent to ensure that the situation never arises.

Herring
Caldari
Pimpology
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:13:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Kronir

I foresee trouble with PLEX. Unless CCP have planned for PLEX price increases.



They stated in a few places that they will deal with the plex market if it gets out of control, didn't say how though.


Sounds like classic Bernanke babble to me Laughing


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