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SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Posted - 2011.05.31 14:07:00 - [1]
 

when i first started Eve I was alone, on an old character, played with various things, made a basic plan for what i wanted to do. which was pewpew people and generally have fun.
but then i got a RL buddy into Eve and made a new char so i could ignore the useless SP i had wasted. and i concentrated on speedtanked tackle/cloaky/ecm stuff, while my buddy trained for mainly PVE.
Over time, i convinced him to join FW (mainly to get him into pvp and out of carebearing in highsec forever) and I learned everybody is in bigger ships and bigger blobs, and my job ended up as scout all the time, while my buddy in his passive drake was DPS in the fleet.

Now, i can fit my T3, SBs and Wolfs effectively, but i am absolutely useless at the bigger boats, and i was wondering, should i keep going with my smaller/faster ships, which i love, or should i rush on to bigger better things?

We have both left FW, and he is happy to sit and grind missions all day, but i am itching for us to go full PVP, either pirate or as part of something bigger, preferrably as ECM/Cov-Ops.

tl;dr
is little tacklers/Covops a dead art in PVP?, because all i see is big blob Vs Bigger blob, and feeling like a paperdrone in a firefight is exciting, but not many KMs gonna happen.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.31 14:23:00 - [2]
 

Fit what you like to fly. You may have to accept there are limitations in flying small ships (especially in low-sec) but if you enjoy it then do it - I spent a year in frigates (PvP) and enjoyed all but the last month or so when it was more than time to move on to cruiser/BC.

Tacklers and covops are most certainly not a "dead art", but to enjoy them fully then you need to be in null-sec (or a war) so gate/station guns aren't the limiting factor they are in Empire. Good scouts and skirmishers/tacklers are always welcome in small gangs but their usefulness is greatly increased when they can operate on-gate.

SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Posted - 2011.05.31 14:47:00 - [3]
 

I guess i am going to have to cut ties with my buddy. highsec is doing my head in, i spend most of my time kiting his missions with him, either that or ninja-ing people, or ratting in low. i have convinced him to possibly move to w-space, mainly for the moneymaking and the complexs

but as i am pretty much going at it solo when it comes to bloodlust.
i just dont want to rot away in carebear space getting expensive as hell ships and having no idea what to do with them. i am comfortable in small fast ships just now, so i'll stick with what i know/can use effectively just now.

i bit off more than i can chew with T3s. i wont go hunting solo in it, as i dont want to risk it just now.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.31 15:09:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: SC0T1SH WARRIOR
I guess i am going to have to cut ties with my buddy. highsec is doing my head in, i spend most of my time kiting his missions with him, either that or ninja-ing people, or ratting in low. i have convinced him to possibly move to w-space, mainly for the moneymaking and the complexs

but as i am pretty much going at it solo when it comes to bloodlust.
i just dont want to rot away in carebear space getting expensive as hell ships and having no idea what to do with them. i am comfortable in small fast ships just now, so i'll stick with what i know/can use effectively just now.

i bit off more than i can chew with T3s. i wont go hunting solo in it, as i dont want to risk it just now.


I can't comment on any of the PVE stuff as I don't do it at all - last time was showing someone how easy it was to rat Angel BSs in null in a Hound.

I don't know how you earn your iskies but if the T3 isn't part of it then I'd sell it off were I you. You can have an awful lot of fun with 500mill of T1/T2 frigates/cruisers and you'll learn a lot more than you will by not using the T3.

Well done for spotting its a bad idea before you lost it BTW Wink

NPC-Null (like Great Wildlands/Curse/Syndicate/etc) is a better place to learn about flying frigates/small ships than low-sec IMHO.

Tosser Galore
Posted - 2011.05.31 15:22:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Tosser Galore on 31/05/2011 15:22:04
Rapier. cloaky in carebear 0.0 space, bring faction webs.


kill hauler, miners, and TOO.

DarkStarWarrior
Posted - 2011.05.31 15:54:00 - [6]
 

dude. keep doing what you are doing. join a null sec corp.

SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Posted - 2011.05.31 16:18:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: DarkStarWarrior
dude. keep doing what you are doing. join a null sec corp.


i'll probably do that, been looking around for a Cloaky/Frig needing corp that fits what i like.
thanks.

basically making sure its better to stick to what i am good at instead of chasing the bigger ships. because even though i can fly them, its a lot different actually being able to use them effectively.
Like my buddy, as soon as he leaves his drake. he is lost, but he still wastes a lot of assets trying to jump in bigger ships as soon as he can

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.31 16:24:00 - [8]
 

There's no real need to rush to bigger ships unless its for PVE purposes. There are enough cruisers to keep you going for a good while, then there's BCs (canes) and Command Ships before you even hit BS.

Most people skip a few ship classes/types - I haven't, ought to be just about done by end of the year at around 55mill SPs. Then I might go train Battleships. Still can't fly them after 2.5 years Very Happy

Robot Robot
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:12:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Othran
There's no real need to rush to bigger ships unless its for PVE purposes. There are enough cruisers to keep you going for a good while, then there's BCs (canes) and Command Ships before you even hit BS.

Most people skip a few ship classes/types - I haven't, ought to be just about done by end of the year at around 55mill SPs. Then I might go train Battleships. Still can't fly them after 2.5 years Very Happy


High five. Two and a bit years here as well and the only battleship skill I have is Gallente Battleship I, and no large gun skills. I still have a few months left in my frigate training before I start fleshing out my cruiser skills.

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.06.01 06:48:00 - [10]
 

A good tackler is invaluable. Do what you want.

Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.06.03 21:11:00 - [11]
 

Pilots who ship up too quickly fare poorly against pilots in total command of their smaller ships. Some examples from this past month:

Skilled Taranis pilot kills Hyperion
Jaguar kills Zealot; pilot reships to Harbinger, so Jag kills that, too.
Rifter kills Vagabond
Crow kills Myrmidon

Jolo

Tosser Galore
Posted - 2011.06.04 11:11:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Ka Jolo
Pilots who ship up too quickly fare poorly against pilots in total command of their smaller ships. Some examples from this past month:

Skilled Taranis pilot kills Hyperion
Jaguar kills Zealot; pilot reships to Harbinger, so Jag kills that, too.
Rifter kills Vagabond
Crow kills Myrmidon

Jolo


In all fairness these people were also ratting.

ratting/**** fit/badly trained/. Noobs up against combat chars with good fits and pvp skills, who know exactly what they are doing.


Still great examples of flying "big" ships without the skills or a clue how to fit and fly.

Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.06.04 19:02:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Tosser Galore
In all fairness these people were also ratting.

ratting/**** fit/badly trained/. Noobs up against combat chars with good fits and pvp skills, who know exactly what they are doing.


Which is exactly the point. The question is to ship up quickly or become more proficient at smaller ships; i.e. with a given amount of SP, go bigger or go better? And the examples I provided demonstrate pilots flying small ships with good support skills against pilots flying larger ships without support skills.

Of course, what was not stated is that not only do experienced pvp pilots ensure they have the support skills needed to fly effectively, they also don't get caught ratting or mining in lowsec. In other words, "who wins in a fight" misses the point. The same learning curve that teaches pilots to fit ships well and learn important support skills also teaches pilots not to mine or rat in lowsec.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.06.04 19:32:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 04/06/2011 19:33:16
Do what the other guy suggested join a null sec corp.. That way you can find PVP & your buddy can carebear and maybe catch the PVP bug.

As for what ships.. depends what you do.. If soloing it's best to stay in frigs these days specially if you are traveling. If in gangs, you will hardly ever hear any FC turn down a BC.

Vierego
Vierego's Junk Imports
Posted - 2011.06.04 19:35:00 - [15]
 

Sometimes bigger ships are also worse off then their cruiser counterpart.

Was looking to getting in a rattlesnake, but then I discovered the gila. Because of the t2 rigs being medium, I can equip a gila that beats a rattlesnake (without using t2 rigs and such which are 250m each) for the cost of the rattlesnake hull, and have a smaller sig radius

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Posted - 2011.06.04 21:48:00 - [16]
 

Nothing wrong with staying in the small ships.
I didn't even train battleships for the longest time, and I still can't put out a t2 offense using large guns, but I can fly any frigate ever made with all T2 equipment and all the support skills and am working on doing that for cruisers.

The trick is to find your role. For me, living in wormholes, those are effecting remote repairs, and flying in a highly mobile damage platform (my Tengu).

Dorian Tormak
M0N0LITH
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:48:00 - [17]
 

anyone can kill crappy players... ive killed several mega/brutix in my frigs/stabber, it means nothing even if they had stayed in frigs it would still be an easy kill i think he just wants to show off his corps itty bitty kills.


 

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