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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:37:00 - [151]
 

Edited by: Kavin Alavandar on 31/05/2011 12:45:28
Originally by: Costigan Borgia
Can anyone tell me what exactly 1600 UTC is in Earth time? hehehe
UTC is Earth time; for all common purposes, it's the same as GMT. They're a fraction of a second apart simply because GMT is measured astronomically and UTC is based on the quantum resonance of a cesium atom.

Kalamaner syscomika
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:38:00 - [152]
 

oh no eve, oh well time to hunt for a job Razz

Josefine Etrange
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:38:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: Kobayashi Marru
Edited by: Kobayashi Marru on 31/05/2011 12:27:48
To all you Mac people whining about your graphics getting bonked in EVE by pending patches... assuming you keep Snow Leopard up to date, Apple has been working with Valve and Acti/Blizzard to improve game performance. Your ability to whine in my opinion about a huge discrepancy between Windows and Mac in game performance is either irrelevant or is close to irrelevant, the margin between the two being incredibly small. Stop *****ing and compare TF2 now, to like 5 months ago. Huge difference. It's getting better.

As for the people with hell of old macs, well that's your problem, people with hella old PCs are in the same boat. U are not special, nor should u deserve special consideration.

While its is getting better in other games, stability in eve was not getting better. Game is more often than not crashing on start, and its not safe to use the mac client anymore because crashes are just to often. It is no big deal, there is always bootcamp, but it is annoying.

Zippie2NL
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:40:00 - [154]
 

nothing wrong with mac itself,i think a mac is better for work
nothing wrong with own pc setup ,i think a pc is better for at home

Mentira
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:41:00 - [155]
 

I will make a backup of my boot.ini.. just in case :D

Braondra
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:41:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: EchoingWhisper
seriously,

K, i don't want to complain but the updates are getting a little ridiculous. If the framework for a new UI that isnt supposed to be out till incarna then it shouldn't be OUT till incarna. and i highly doubt that it takes 6 hours to impliment it. having one of the biggest support staff in the industry appearently doesn't mean you are the most efficient.

and here is another bone to pic. YOUR FACTION RAT SPAWNS SUCK!!!. what i mean by suck is that you have to go out to nullsec, find a spawn, kill it, salvage it, take it back to a safe location without getting blown up and if all this wasnt hard enough you have them drop crap like dark laser crystals. really... laser crystals. eve do you like money, do you like having a great fan base? then make it rewarding enough on a scale that the rest of the player commnunity can appreciate. its like you put something cool in the game then ensure that only the biggest alliances can get it, or you almost nullify the bonuses it gets. pretty disappointing. I love eve but i can tell you that there are a few other mmo's coming out in the next few years that will blow this game out of the water if you dont shape up and start thinking more of the player than your pocket books.

p.s. for the trolls i am very aware that eve was invented to make money. im not against that. more money means "hopefully" better game. so far the contracts system is a joke due to the fact that it is possible to make a scam contract that looks so real i couldnt distinguish it from my legit ones. might aswell rename it scams instead of contracts. im not against pirates, i engage in some "walk the plank" type fun and honest work. i think eve should always have that. having a corrupt, compromised exchange system is poor design and there is no excuse. i could go on but i wont. some like it some dont.



Silly carebear, forums are for adults.

PIr2 Jugglies
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:41:00 - [157]
 

When i went to bed last night there was no notification of an impending extended downtime.
Now i return home from work and find downtime will be very long due to unannounced patch extension.
Good job i already had a long training queue...

RE: graphics updating. nvidia 9600gt 2ghz dual core 2gb winxp doesnt like character creator on full whack, very slow. Heaven forbid users on integrated graphics.
MMOs are not supposed to be restricted to hard core gamers, their appeal is to a wider audience hence why they should run on modest hardware. EVE is not COD.

Justin Cody
Caldari
T.A.L.O.N. Company
B4D W01F
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:41:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: amarr alt2
Edited by: amarr alt2 on 31/05/2011 12:32:33

And yet, the best idiots always tell you what to buy.

If you're into that, buy yourself some white furry pants, a metallic green vest shirt, and a bright orange puffer jacket and go stand on the street corner, you horendous gay.

People have the right to choose to buy what they like, eat what they like, do what they, sniff what they like, without the N a z i brigade coming in with jack-boots telling them what they can't do.




wow manage to godwin the thread much? Aside from weak troll-fu let us just pretend for a second that Macintosh computers are not uber gaming rigs. (they aren't you know).

PC's are more flexible, but have issues with being less uniform in hardware requiring driver providers and windows to be more robust in what is supported. This opens up avenues of attack due to the fact that your environment is so much more diverse.

You are lucky that EVE is supported for OS X and Linux AT ALL. The fact that you expect everyone to cater to you speaks volumes. The product gets marketed to the segments that are large. I.E. I'd rather sell my product in the USA than Tazmania.

You have the right to choose your hardware and software platform yes, but you don't have the right to force the developers to cater to you. You have one side right but you forgot about the other side's freedom to choose.

And If I feel like wearing a metallic green t-shirt with an orange puff vest a la 1992 with shag carpeting for pants then I damn well will. On the other hand I won't force you to let me in your house. Fair? I think so.


Wallis Jenkins
Gallente
masters of wealth
Stainless.
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:41:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Kavin Alavandar
Originally by: Costigan Borgia
Can anyone tell me what exactly 1600 UTC is in Earth time? hehehe
UTC is an Earth time zone....


Thx Cap...Smile

Roweena Azur
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:42:00 - [160]
 

I have a serious question amidst all this nonsense and people caressing their ego's. I'd love the ability to customize myself or my ships, but how will this affect lag? Isn't pinstripes or turret animation just more information to send back and forth? Will we be able to disable these features for large fleet fights? Also, if theres a way to ban all the people who have crappy internet or PC's please do I feel they corrupt the rest of our game experience =)

Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:42:00 - [161]
 

****! Not even 24 hours notice.


Shizlles Xau
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:43:00 - [162]
 

Thanks for giving me another laugh guys, this thread reminds me of the tons of Xbox vs Ps3 discussions. Useless talk about what is better lolz.


Admiral Rufus
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:43:00 - [163]
 

a few years ago macs and pc's were close enough in price to justify the purchase of a mac if you were that way inclined, I bought a macbook 13" white in sept 2007 as with all the discounts i got it was about the same price as a similar spec dell laptop or similar, said laptop was nicked a couple of months ago and I'm glad they took the thing away from me! I honestly don't know why anyone would use a mac over a pc running withdows 7, they're just inferior in every way, I still have to use macs at work, and sure, they're shiney looking but they're difficult to use and have huge compatibility issues in comparison to a modern windows pc.

/rant over

RE3DIE Girl
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:43:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Rockin RicciBobbi

CCP has one of if not the most mature and intelligent user base of any MMO. So quit alienating us by treating us like little children. You can't make us happier with new shinies instead of fixes for problems that are years old.

It is good that CCP keeps wanting to improve the customer experience, but it seems they are getting out of touch with what their customers want. Eve became a success because of great gameplay. Our gameplay is pew. Market pew, rat pew, mission pew, wormhole pew, industry pew, mining pew and most of all pew pew. Make the pew better. Then make it shinier.


Let's face it this may take longer to happen than some of us would like... why? Subscriptions.. The shiner EvE is the the more money comes in to CCP from newer accounts looking for a "new" experience.

I am sure that there would a lot of players wanting better pew, but in the grand scheme of things I would suggest that this would be more of a niche market.

From a business perspective, CCP will ultimately prioritise expanding their revenue base before "fine tuning" game mechanics for a select few. After all this is a business and whilst they provide a service we enjoy, they are here to make money.

Reality is you cannot please all people all the time, but I am sure they will strive to continue to accommodate both the loyal player base EvE was built upon and the fresh meat for us to PEW upon.

My 0.02 isk worth

Evil Stare
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:44:00 - [165]
 

So much crying over a game. You basement dwelling, mouth breathing, pasty faced, meaty breasted zeros should be ashamed of yourselfs. Go outside and get some sun or maybe dump the catch can for your dehumidifier. Or maybe check that the sump pump is functioning properly. It would suck if it were to fail and ruin your cutting edge AMD K6 based machine with S3 graphics and Voodoo 2. Laughing

Kobayashi Marru
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:45:00 - [166]
 

Edited by: Kobayashi Marru on 31/05/2011 12:47:56
Edited by: Kobayashi Marru on 31/05/2011 12:46:20
Originally by: keserooz

Clearly you didn't read his post, he didn't upgrade as he states in his post... And well done for having experience in computers/computing you must be the only person in the world then?



He wrote one line. It can be interpreted many ways. He could of not replaced his monitor for example, and with $350 not buying a monitor you can still buy a Hand Built PC that that will play 5 Eve clients. That's the beauty of AMD getting their ass handed to them by Intel, they have cut their prices.

How did I miss his point exactly?, as I fail to see your point.

Justin Cody
Caldari
T.A.L.O.N. Company
B4D W01F
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:45:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: PIr2 Jugglies
When i went to bed last night there was no notification of an impending extended downtime.
Now i return home from work and find downtime will be very long due to unannounced patch extension.
Good job i already had a long training queue...

RE: graphics updating. nvidia 9600gt 2ghz dual core 2gb winxp doesnt like character creator on full whack, very slow. Heaven forbid users on integrated graphics.
MMOs are not supposed to be restricted to hard core gamers, their appeal is to a wider audience hence why they should run on modest hardware. EVE is not COD.


EVE isn't minecrack either. And EVE is for the hardcore. I want my learning cliff to weed out the whinging cork sniffing, undedicated-carebear-staring, and honorless scum that want everything to be served to them on a silver platter. This is a sandbox and if I feel like kicking over your castle at least have the ******* to fight back.

EVE is an ever evolving game. Have a better attitude.


Scaramouche Jones
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:47:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: PIr2 Jugglies
When i went to bed last night there was no notification of an impending extended downtime.
Now i return home from work and find downtime will be very long due to unannounced patch extension.


Its been on the in game calendar for weeks.

Smodab Ongalot
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:49:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Zippie2NL
nothing wrong with mac itself,i think a mac is better for work
nothing wrong with own pc setup ,i think a pc is better for at home


That is quite the unique view point......

Personally, I think owning a Mac says alot about the owner. I don't mean that as a compliment.

Josefine Etrange
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:49:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: Josefine Etrange on 31/05/2011 12:56:22
Edited by: Josefine Etrange on 31/05/2011 12:50:14
Originally by: Kobayashi Marru
. It's a Hand Built PC, u can just upgrade parts of it for $350 and have hardware that is better then the best Mac. That's why we do it, u can continually upgrade only the parts of your PC that needs upgrade, and if u already have a kick ass case, and monitor, you have Style as well. And if its Intel, or u want to deal with a little more work, u can hackintosh it and have OS X as well. I know this because I am speaking from experience.
Sure u paid for style, but you are still an idiot.


You know what a Mac Pro is? ;-)
No, you can not spend 350$ and get a nice little fireGL or nv quadro, which would be the "best" avaible hardware. I could be wrong, are 12-xeon cores now really this cheap? ;-)
You do not pay extra much for design with apple hardware, you pay for quality, software and support. Just like when you buy at hp.
And now, donīt tell me if you spend 350$ for some hardware updates, they just appear magical in your system, building a system from scratch is as free as minerals in eve. Time is money, and not having to use cheap asus crap which burns out after 2 and a half year is a huge plus on the time side if you are not planing anyway to update your system every 2 years ;-)

Originally by: Smodab Ongalot

Personally, I think owning a Mac says alot about the owner. I don't mean that as a compliment.


Your statement says a lot about your ignorance. Razz

Originally by: Admiral Rufus
a few years ago macs and pc's were close enough in price to justify the purchase of a mac if you were that way inclined, I bought a macbook 13" white in sept 2007 as with all the discounts i got it was about the same price as a similar spec dell laptop or similar, said laptop was nicked a couple of months ago and I'm glad they took the thing away from me! I honestly don't know why anyone would use a mac over a pc running withdows 7, they're just inferior in every way, I still have to use macs at work, and sure, they're shiney looking but they're difficult to use and have huge compatibility issues in comparison to a modern windows pc.

/rant over


Imo it ainīt that BAD, but yeah there is a trend, apple gets more expensive every year, quality is getting worse every year, and software focus is more and more on iOS.
As well is windows getting better and better while OSX did not make any real huge improvements since tiger, which was great.

BTW, which compatibility issues you are speaking of? Driver support, maybe even GDI-Printers? :D

Wallis Jenkins
Gallente
masters of wealth
Stainless.
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:50:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Scaramouche Jones
Originally by: PIr2 Jugglies
When i went to bed last night there was no notification of an impending extended downtime.
Now i return home from work and find downtime will be very long due to unannounced patch extension.


Its been on the in game calendar for weeks.


After this post I wonder how many ppl thought like "Whattahell EVE has a calendar??" :))))

RE3DIE Girl
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:51:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Brutor citizen 1506090940
Damnit CCP... I traded gaming nights with the wife so I could go on my first ever POS shoot... I even sat and watched episodes of Gossip Girl FFS to be able to get on that op... and now you smoosh (rush) a patch in right at that time.

Right now... I hate you. I love your game, but I still hate you.

:aussielove:


(Not posting with main for OPSEC)


This made me LMAO... But I've had too much wine tonight to whine.

I'm sure that more than a few Dev's would empathise with the pain of having to sit through "Gossip Girl" (I personally would rather take a cheese grater to my manhood). A little notice of planned patches would be good, but ultimately I'm too drunk to be losing a cap in a C6 due to stupidity...

Bubbles Udan
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:51:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Josefine Etrange

While its is getting better in other games, stability in eve was not getting better. Game is more often than not crashing on start, and its not safe to use the mac client anymore because crashes are just to often. It is no big deal, there is always bootcamp, but it is annoying.


Well, the programming world is in flux right now and mac is on the forefront of the change. Don't expect mac stability in general to improve until clang firmly replaces the last generation of compilers on all platforms.

Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:54:00 - [174]
 

/me eats Carbon and drops diamonds ugh

Zippie2NL
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:54:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Smodab Ongalot
Originally by: Zippie2NL
nothing wrong with mac itself,i think a mac is better for work
nothing wrong with own pc setup ,i think a pc is better for at home


That is quite the unique view point......

Personally, I think owning a Mac says alot about the owner. I don't mean that as a compliment.


can be,some people have "showoff"habit
i had a mac ,now a pc again not because i didnt like it anymore,it was pretty stable but i wanted to do more with programs
mac has programs and windows programs specific
my friends playing pc games and i could not join them

rat1123
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:55:00 - [176]
 

Edited by: rat1123 on 31/05/2011 12:57:59
of course no one will know if their computer will run eve until after the patch.
why don't we wait and see and then start the doom and gloom when this is as near to eve as you will get and not before?Idea

boernl
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:55:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Kavin Alavandar
Edited by: Kavin Alavandar on 31/05/2011 12:45:28
Originally by: Costigan Borgia
Can anyone tell me what exactly 1600 UTC is in Earth time? hehehe
UTC is Earth time; for all common purposes, it's the same as GMT. They're a fraction of a second apart simply because GMT is measured astronomically and UTC is based on the quantum resonance of a cesium atom.

see i like this holland is gmt+1 its now 14:55 in 24 h clock

RE3DIE
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:57:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Costigan Borgia
Can anyone tell me what exactly 1600 UTC is in Earth time? hehehe


depending on where you are located I can :P

Ay Liz
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:57:00 - [179]
 

Edited by: Ay Liz on 31/05/2011 12:59:32
Will we get the playername column on the broadcast window back? It makes it far too easy for spies/idiots to spam blue target broadcasts and nobody can figure out if that broadcast is from a spy/idiot or the targetcaller. There are more issues to that but that's the most obvious.

Kobayashi Marru
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:58:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Josefine Etrange
Edited by: Josefine Etrange on 31/05/2011 12:50:14
Originally by: Kobayashi Marru
. It's a Hand Built PC, u can just upgrade parts of it for $350 and have hardware that is better then the best Mac. That's why we do it, u can continually upgrade only the parts of your PC that needs upgrade, and if u already have a kick ass case, and monitor, you have Style as well. And if its Intel, or u want to deal with a little more work, u can hackintosh it and have OS X as well. I know this because I am speaking from experience.
Sure u paid for style, but you are still an idiot.


You know what a Mac Pro is? ;-)
No, you can not spend 350$ and get a nice little fireGL or nv quadro, which would be the "best" avaible hardware. I could be wrong, are 12-xeon cores now really this cheap? ;-)
You do not pay extra much for design with apple hardware, you pay for quality, software and support. Just like when you buy at hp.
And now, donīt tell me if you spend 350$ for some hardware updates, they just appear magical in your system, building a system from scratch is as free as minerals in eve. Time is money, and not having to use cheap asus crap which burns out after 2 and a half year is a huge plus on the time side if you are not planing anyway to update your system every 2 years ;-)

Originally by: Smodab Ongalot

Personally, I think owning a Mac says alot about the owner. I don't mean that as a compliment.


Your statement says a lot about your ignorance. Razz


This is EVE, when were we talking about Video Cards or Processors that are built for production not gaming (firegl and quadro), or 12 xeon core processors for production or servers, again not gaming. And I never said anything about spending $350 on just a graphics card either, u can spend $100 and get a gaming video card that plays 5 Eve Clients. And cheap asus crap? Burns out? Besides not using Asus hardware though I don't consider it crap, its called cleaning out the dust, hence keeping heat low and not burning **** out.

Quote:
And now, donīt tell me if you spend 350$ for some hardware updates, they just appear magical in your system, building a system from scratch is as free as minerals in eve.


What? Magically appear in a system? When did I say that? It's called using your hands, and a screwdriver after having made sure you are not stock full of static electricity.


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