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Inur Plex
Posted - 2011.05.30 04:36:00 - [1]
 

Just a thought, but if CCP wants to encourage more people to live in 0.0 - get rid of Docking permissions and replace them with a set docking fee that is paid to the corp owning the station.

People wouldn't be afraid of losing all of their assets in 0.0 space, and opportunities for small scale pvp would exist at every station in 0.0 space.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.05.30 06:05:00 - [2]
 

Who sets the docking fee?

Why should stations accept docking requests from sworn enemies of the empire?

Nariya Kentaya
Coalition Of Gentlemen.
Posted - 2011.05.30 06:46:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Nariya Kentaya on 30/05/2011 06:56:46
yeah no.
if i dont want you in my house, why should you be allowed to pay me five bucks, then just walk in? or, similarly, thats like saying you could walk into fort knox or the US Pentagon by paying an entrance fee, its their base, if they dont want you there, its their right to slam their door in your face.

*edit* How about anyone who gets within 15km of a non-allied station in 0.0 is automatically pvp flagged against the owning alliance of that station? nah, jk, but really, no. docking permissions are great, but maybe add an optional docking fee with a corp-rank permission that allows free docking, that way corps can charge newer members, or just people they think have too much money, to dock with tehir station without causing an un-needed step for players they conside "important", or people running to hide.

Lt Chonchu
International Anarchy
Posted - 2011.05.30 13:48:00 - [4]
 

Yeah, face the truth...

Incarna is comming... and you won't be able to stalk that hot innocent girl across the station anymore since her alliance booted you and left a little note: "perv"

Inur Plex
Posted - 2011.05.30 23:24:00 - [5]
 

By the "it's my station I should be able to decide if I want you in or not" reasoning, then why can't you close stargates to just stop sworn enemies from entering the system in the first place? You can't simply because CCP doesn't want to restrict movement in such a fashion.

I'm not saying that you should offer station services to everyone - but just allowing people to dock would go a long ways in encouraging more empire folk to at least explore 0.0.

Nariya Kentaya
Coalition Of Gentlemen.
Posted - 2011.05.30 23:31:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Inur Plex
By the "it's my station I should be able to decide if I want you in or not" reasoning, then why can't you close stargates to just stop sworn enemies from entering the system in the first place? You can't simply because CCP doesn't want to restrict movement in such a fashion.

I'm not saying that you should offer station services to everyone - but just allowing people to dock would go a long ways in encouraging more empire folk to at least explore 0.0.


2 reasons, 1) you didnt build the stargate
2) from a scientific perspective, gates are in pairs, so if the companion gate got "turned off" do you know how hard it would be to reconnect it to its companion due to drift? (only giving a realism sciencey explanation because i was using real-life examples for my initial arguement.) and if you allowed ANYONE to dock, then you would have sovereignty space filled with people NOT in the corp using an alliances own base to mine 'roids in that alliances space, and when caught, retreating back to camp INSIDE the alliance's own station, horrible. it would, yes, allow more people to enter 0.0, but also allow more people who come JUST TO BE ANNOYING.

Inur Plex
Posted - 2011.05.30 23:42:00 - [7]
 

Your fears are great. Wonderful even. You are actually afraid of neuts coming to your system and mining your rocks while your fleet sits helpless in the system.

Pirokobo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.30 23:47:00 - [8]
 

Not gonna happen.

If anything CCP should make 0.0 NPC station services targetable.

Inur Plex
Posted - 2011.05.31 00:41:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Pirokobo
Not gonna happen.

If anything CCP should make 0.0 NPC station services targetable.


Completely different issues, and "not gonna happen" isn't exactly a compelling argument. A much better way of saying the same thing, would be, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" -- that is, of course, if you actually believe that 0.0 space isn't broke.

Nariya Kentaya
Coalition Of Gentlemen.
Posted - 2011.05.31 00:46:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Inur Plex
Originally by: Pirokobo
Not gonna happen.

If anything CCP should make 0.0 NPC station services targetable.


Completely different issues, and "not gonna happen" isn't exactly a compelling argument. A much better way of saying the same thing, would be, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" -- that is, of course, if you actually believe that 0.0 space isn't broke.


no one said 0.0 isn't broke.
it is.
just not this part, docking permissions are fine as is, could maybe use more flexibility in permissions distribution, but hey, i don't wanna be greedy because there are more important things for them to look at then this right now. (also, im not a true 0.0 denizen, i just vacation there every now and then, and have never had any trouble fall onto me because i couldn't dock, just means you have to be smarter about how you play, and don't log off in a high traffic area or you will log back in inside the middle of pirates or really annoyed SOV owners.)

Inur Plex
Posted - 2011.05.31 01:13:00 - [11]
 

Oh I have docked in almost every region of EVE. It isn't hard to get docking rights in any region, through creative use of alts and corp changes.

But it isn't about me, or any individual who has already lives out in 0.0. The idea is how to get MORE people into 0.0. That's one of CCP's stated goals, and many changes they have made have been with this as the goal. I am providing a suggestion which WILL increase the number of empire bears that are willing to give null space a go. CCP wants 0.0 to have real markets? The way to do that is to stop restricting docking rights.

Providence, back when CVA ran the show, was a prime example of what all of null space could look like. I challenge anyone to claim that Providence wasn't a kick-butt region, because it certainly was. (note: I've never been in CVA or any CVA pets and have almost always been red to CVA with my main)

Danika Princip
Minmatar
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.05.31 14:12:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Inur Plex
Oh I have docked in almost every region of EVE. It isn't hard to get docking rights in any region, through creative use of alts and corp changes.

But it isn't about me, or any individual who has already lives out in 0.0. The idea is how to get MORE people into 0.0. That's one of CCP's stated goals, and many changes they have made have been with this as the goal. I am providing a suggestion which WILL increase the number of empire bears that are willing to give null space a go. CCP wants 0.0 to have real markets? The way to do that is to stop restricting docking rights.

Providence, back when CVA ran the show, was a prime example of what all of null space could look like. I challenge anyone to claim that Providence wasn't a kick-butt region, because it certainly was. (note: I've never been in CVA or any CVA pets and have almost always been red to CVA with my main)


Do you honestly think you'd get more people into null by letting them dock in stations filled with people who would kill them without hesitation? Provi under CVA was an anomaly, none of the major sov blocs work under NRDS systems like they did.

Inur Plex
Posted - 2011.06.02 00:41:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Danika Princip
Do you honestly think you'd get more people into null by letting them dock in stations?


Yes.

Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
Posted - 2011.06.02 10:50:00 - [14]
 

One Trillion docking fee!Twisted Evil

Danika Princip
Minmatar
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.02 13:29:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Inur Plex
Originally by: Danika Princip
Do you honestly think you'd get more people into null by letting them dock in stations?


Yes.


And when they are ganked on the undock every single time by the sov holders, what do you think they'll do?

Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.02 21:44:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Danika Princip
Originally by: Inur Plex
Originally by: Danika Princip
Do you honestly think you'd get more people into null by letting them dock in stations?


Yes.


And when they are ganked on the undock every single time by the sov holders, what do you think they'll do?


Play station games like they do in high sec.

Inur Plex
Posted - 2011.06.03 01:38:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Danika Princip
Originally by: Inur Plex
Originally by: Danika Princip
Do you honestly think you'd get more people into null by letting them dock in stations?


Yes.


And when they are ganked on the undock every single time by the sov holders, what do you think they'll do?


You are kidding, right? I always thought that TNT was a 0.0 alliance, I guess not. I can't even count the number of times I've docked in Doril. Even with local full of hostiles, I still manage to dock and undock fairly easily. It's not that easy to "gank" neutrals that have docking rights, on top of a station. The only time it really occurs is if someone gets aggro.

But none of that matters. If CCP gets rid of docking permissions, and instead uses some docking fee (like 500k per dock), more people WILL move to 0.0. Entire corps will move and try to live "under the radar" in hostile SOV systems whenever an alliance claims more space than they can rightly control. And, with a docking fee, the SOV holding alliance has an incentive to just let them live there. Sure, roam over there and try to catch a few every now and then - but camp the station with a blob for a week straight to chase them off? Only if you are an idiot, or they are working with your enemies.


 

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