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Sahjahn
Caldari
Temporal Weapon Against Time
Posted - 2011.05.29 11:33:00 - [151]
 

With all the *****ing and whinning this year round CCP should just dump the tournament and give a big 'F*** You'.


Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.29 11:34:00 - [152]
 

But then we wouldn't have any action to watch...

Dinta Zembo
Posted - 2011.05.29 11:52:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: Daneel Trevize
But then we wouldn't have any action to watch...


EPIC TROLL IS EPIC Laughing

Spectral Commander
Posted - 2011.05.29 15:42:00 - [154]
 

So these "studio" weekends that are suppose to be "Epic" and "Awesome"... what happens when you don't deliver on that end and you just end up with your typical craptastic handout CCP?

Then what will you have left to fall back on?

Let's face it, the Eve Allianct Tournament is by far the biggest marketing tool you have to keep current players connected to the game and the community as well as bring new players to the game. I'm a person who has been playing Eve off and on for many years now with multiple accounts, the thing that brought me to Eve was the Alliance Tournament. None of your studio productions have ever blown me out of the water or been so great and amazing... by most standards your "studio" weekends are sub par, and sure people complain about it, but it doesn't matter to me how subpar it is as long as I get to see the action of the game.

I'd rather see 120 fights of mid level quality, even if the commentary is poor or non-existent.. than to be promised to see half as many fights with "epic, awesome" studio quality. I'll be waiting and watching to see just how "great" your studio weekends will be, but I'm already putting a couple check marks on the line that says you won't deliver nearly as great a production as you think it will be and you're only making it that much harder to reach the mark by casting all your chips on that statement.

You've taken the one thing that I've always thought you guys did right and basically screwed the pooch this year. The AT is the one event for EVE that I look forward to each year and I feel like I've been cheated out of it already. This just seems to further show how far out of touch with the player base CCP has truly become when they can't see that watching epic fights no matter the quality means more to us than some song and dance done between matches.

Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.29 15:52:00 - [155]
 

Edited by: Cap Tyrian on 29/05/2011 16:38:07

Originally by: CCP Loxy


Please don't tell how much I'm in or out of touch or how much I care about the tournament. The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more. There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now. Think back to last year and there were just as many people disappointed at the poor commentary or why there was nothing between the matches etc...

People will always complain one way or another, but I'd rather our coverage of the "Tournament" be judged on our best efforts and we simply can't give our best for a solid month. Thats why the tournament starts properly on the 11th, along with our coverage. And if in the future if we have to spend even more weekends to cut down the numbers to fit into two weekends we'll almost certainly keep this format and not kill ourselves in the process.


Oh Loxy, sacrificing your weekends for free and no thanks what so ever from the community.

Your right that no matter what you do, we always want more. Although, this time, undoubtedly, the tournament really struck bottom.

For almost any other thing in eve, there are people who whine and people who like it. like Blasters could use a buff, but for now, they are cheap.

I'm not seeing much people say "who cares about the 5v5. I want to see OOPZ fight PWR in blue ray Quality"

The content of the Flame is what counts, "This year wasn't good, but last year was worse" = this year is better then last year. = good tournament.

Surely I'll watch the stream and some good fights are guaranteed but the organization is ground braking bad for this time of age. But hey, that's no ones fault as ~no one saw that coming~

And lastly, you're emphasising allot that it is your spare time, you and the others are sacrificing your weekends for this. An argument that is very heavy indeed.
However, CCP has what, 600 employees, 300 on eve. Most of witch where "eve players and big fans" yet only a handful is whiling to invest their free time to "work" on the AT. That alone seems in many ways awkward, given that we, the community, consider eve and the AT a wonderful way of spending our spare time and great fun. And we are giving our best.

There is allot of work you needed to do that we don't see, but hands down, We have repeatedly pointed out what has to be addressed. Yet you stayed stubborn.

And now, standing in heavy criticism, "People will always complain" and "will change that maybe next time"

Originally by: CCP Loxy
Regarding community help: Not ignored, we looked into it, we talked to people and decided against it.

Yup, if you want something done right you better do it yourself, or , maybe just not do it at all.

Quote:
You could have always bought a ticket

That's like paying for sex

4 slots are just to little and not that good of a concept. We had a really awesome and unconventional 5v5 set-up we worked hard on and wanted to show you but it wouldn't have bin broadcast anyway T_T your loss aswell



GKO
Posted - 2011.05.29 16:20:00 - [156]
 

Hey,
leave Loxy alone. It is clearly not his best day. Your work is appreciated mate. Now we just need someone with connections to Soundwave, then we will find a better solution for next year. Or just invite some guys from CCP to the IRC channel to see the non existing "interest" in "unimportant games".

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.05.29 16:47:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 29/05/2011 16:49:25

Mindstar, Sreegs and Zirnitra are responsible, not Soundwave - he's just a pretty face

and of course higherups in CCP for not giving the tourney any funding or priority whatsoever

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.05.29 17:02:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 29/05/2011 16:49:25

Mindstar, Sreegs and Zirnitra are responsible, not Soundwave - he's just a pretty face

and of course higherups in CCP for not giving the tourney any funding or priority whatsoever

It's not even put on the EVE Calendar as a CCP event.

Platypus Commando
Posted - 2011.05.29 17:53:00 - [159]
 

Well, here are my 0.02isk about AT9.

Basically I don't get to see what I want to see because CCP tells me I'd rather like to see something that I don't want to see.

I really appreciate the work you guys put into the tournament, but hoinestly I never cared much about the studio bits. I want to see the fights. And I'd rather watch the beginning of the tournament, where people experiment more with their setups than in the later stages.

So thanks CCP you killed AT9 for me. I certainly won't bother with the streams this year.

MJ Maverick
IronPig
Sev3rance
Posted - 2011.05.29 19:09:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Terrare Vordai
Bump, as I too am an EVE player that would like to see these matches. I also don't get what's so expensive about posting videos to youtube if you are already recording them to begin with.


It's costs, but more than anything the minimum standard we have for broadcasting. Having a guy put something up on Justin doesn't really work for a big corporation, anyone in one will grasp that pretty easily. Once we go into the studio weekends, it's with several cameras, professional editing etc. Anything outside of that we're simply not going to publish. We could stream these two first weekends, but that would mean a commitment that could cut into our two studio weekends, which we're really excited about getting back to. It's a harsh priority, but that's life.


So why not let ISD record it and put it on YouTube? Or, let each team send a guy in a pod or a Covert Ops to record it.

Dinta Zembo
Posted - 2011.05.29 19:17:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: MJ Maverick
So why not let ISD record it and put it on YouTube? Or, let each team send a guy in a pod or a Covert Ops to record it.


'Bad for the reputation of ccp as these would be low quality streams.'

Angel HUN
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.05.29 19:24:00 - [162]
 

Edited by: Angel HUN on 29/05/2011 20:05:40
Edited by: Angel HUN on 29/05/2011 19:25:18
Originally by: Dinta Zembo
Originally by: MJ Maverick
So why not let ISD record it and put it on YouTube? Or, let each team send a guy in a pod or a Covert Ops to record it.


'Bad for the reputation of ccp as these would be low quality streams.'


Pretty sure we as a community are used to poor quality from CCP. Consider that it took a several thousand-post long threads about "Excellence" to even get minor issues addressed.

You should be embarrassed at your snarky attitude towards "community throwing a stream up on justin", not only does it work for an extremely well established, multi-national corporation, they frequently surpass your annual tournament viewer numbers.

Your precious fortress of solitude image is a sham.

ariel jade
Gallente
Terran Colonial Guard
Posted - 2011.05.29 21:22:00 - [163]
 

I was really hoping to being able to at least listen to some coverage for the first two weekends leading up to the finals. With no real coverage my interest in the AT IX has come to the point that I think that I can do something else with my time in game than watch it. there is no draw to it anymore.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.05.30 03:38:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: CCP Loxy
There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now.


Heh. So much joke potential. So much disgust.

Marla Rest
Posted - 2011.05.30 05:02:00 - [165]
 

/sign

the tourny is one of my favorite parts of eve - show vids for all the fights please. it's good instructional video and the politics of the teams makes for good drama.

very disappointed

Avall
Posted - 2011.05.30 10:45:00 - [166]
 

I agree wholeheartedly with the starter of this thread, CCP missed the opportunity to engage the community in what is at heart a community event. If streaming cost is an issue, provide YouTube videos of every match, uncommented, that would solve the problem as far as I am concerned.

Joe450
Posted - 2011.05.30 11:27:00 - [167]
 

Edited by: Joe450 on 30/05/2011 11:34:14

Originally by: Avall
I agree wholeheartedly with the starter of this thread, CCP missed the opportunity to engage the community in what is at heart a community event. If streaming cost is an issue, provide YouTube videos of every match, uncommented, that would solve the problem as far as I am concerned.


I'd second that, i would like to least see youtube vid's of the first weekend (youtube is free incase you didn't know) least then its like teasers in to the final weekend and get better idea of who i want to shout for.

and for all the alliance's that are competing this is a way they could advertise there alliance to get more members but we would only see the one's who get into group and finals. so the bigger and better alliances get more ppl and the smaller less known get smaller and yeap less known


no offence but not PL think time for a new grand winner


GO >>>>> Anyone lol :P

Shandir
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.30 13:01:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: CCP Loxy
The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more.

Quoting The Problem.

CCP, this is work, pay your damn employees.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.05.30 13:15:00 - [169]
 

Just came here to look for a youtube link, to watch the matches and found this thread.

Just to let you at CCP know, I am yet another member of this community that would have loved to watch the qualifiers. Poor show CCP, poor show.

Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
Posted - 2011.05.30 13:40:00 - [170]
 

I understand where Loxy is coming from, but after many years of following the AT for years and after enjoying so many player made movies, streams and commentaries (including yours from before), I have to disagree with the result (yes, even before I've seen the ultra amazing vertical broadcasts you have now crudely promised us).

I have enjoyed listening to the eve-radio commentary in the early years. Heck I even suspect your expert broadcasters wouldn't mind giving up some of their free time to broadcast through something like eve-radio. Then video's came in, that was really cool and a great way to introduce the game to others. When the broadcasts came we got a bunch of eve enthusiasts together and watched the matches live at work and at home, BBQ's and beamers, great fun.

Now we get (again not by CCP?) info through a site with a brief description of a fight. No sense of eve awesome sauce at all. And the promise of awesome broadcast studio time for the final matches. But nothing, not even the chance for anyone to do some proper stream/broadcast work? Because you (as a group) fear the quality won't be up to standards? Thus forcing participants, who really should focus on their fights, to start streaming and/or frapsing, soaking up their pc resources (sure some can handle it), obviously not able to commentate at all and this you support?

People want to see it. People want to help you. You say no. Such a shame, I'd rather have everything broadcasted at full amateur level, then being told I don't need to see these fights since they are not as cool as the later fights.


ps: I really can't understand if your team has to give up free time to get the whole broadcast sorted (although a bit of free time of course, everyone with a job and a bit of pride in their work does that), CCP should understand the power of something like an AT for the PR of the game and thus should just pay people who do the work.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.05.30 15:06:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Abrazzar
It's not even put on the EVE Calendar as a CCP event.

Oh, yay, they added it.

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.05.30 16:08:00 - [172]
 

Sad there not vieable.

Understand why though. CCP wants good fights on thier channel.

If you want to see the matches go to you tube, most alliance teams have uploaded them.

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.05.30 17:43:00 - [173]
 

Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 30/05/2011 17:44:22

very few teams streamed their matches

kudos to those who did, but i'd be surprised if more than maybe 1/5th of the matches got recorded (with fraps or otherwise)

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.05.30 17:45:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 30/05/2011 17:44:22

very few teams streamed their matches

kudos to those who did, but i'd be surprised if more than maybe 1/5th of the matches got recorded (with fraps or otherwise)


And I bet more than half that was recorded, won't be edited and posted on public sites like youtube or eve-files.

Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.30 19:09:00 - [175]
 

First of all Shocked at CCP Loxy telling us what we want. You're rude, arrogant and condescending in the extreme. Get down off your high horse, admit you're wrong and apologise.

Secondly all sorts of mixed messages going on here, for example an event that must be produced to a set professional level in order to be part of their flagship marketing while crying that it's being done by volunteers. CCP, you're taking the **** out of the people helping you make money by not paying them to do so.

Take the stick out of your back side and instead of putting so much effort into making excuses why this can't be done instead make it happen.

Somewhere along the line you've forgotten that this is an event for the players... who put at least if not more effort into this as CCP.

Angel HUN
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.05.30 21:08:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Dodgy Past
First of all Shocked at CCP Loxy telling us what we want. You're rude, arrogant and condescending in the extreme. Get down off your high horse, admit you're wrong and apologise.

Secondly all sorts of mixed messages going on here, for example an event that must be produced to a set professional level in order to be part of their flagship marketing while crying that it's being done by volunteers. CCP, you're taking the **** out of the people helping you make money by not paying them to do so.

Take the stick out of your back side and instead of putting so much effort into making excuses why this can't be done instead make it happen.

Somewhere along the line you've forgotten that this is an event for the players... who put at least if not more effort into this as CCP.


Well said.

Mr Rive
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.05.30 23:36:00 - [177]
 

Some of you people need to get over yourselves and realise that a lot of people in CCP love the tournament as much as you do, and *****ing and whinging at them about coverage is only going to put them off doing it in the future.


Case Sensetive
Posted - 2011.05.31 00:29:00 - [178]
 

Edited by: Case Sensetive on 31/05/2011 00:32:29
why do volunteers have to uphold a standard of quality

Lexa Hellfury
Immortal.
Posted - 2011.05.31 00:30:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet
There is a certain quality level that we have to match


Really? I was under the impression that you worked for CCP.

Hussain
Gallente
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
Posted - 2011.05.31 06:39:00 - [180]
 

CCP is getting better all the time, not even simple videos posted in the Youtube site.

They talk about "quality standards", more like quality slack and again deciding what we want that is a live steam of the team draws (oh that was excitement beyond believe...) and not of the matches.

As for the comments as everybody said there wouldnt be a shortage of volunteers to do them, so admit you are wrong, man up and get videos from next week. Also belive me players will do a better job commenting than you guys or the "experts" with the bored "I saw that all before a 1000 times" look and the "Fight is getting bored" kind of comments .

Believe me when I say THIS is your MAIN COMMUNITY EVENT not the Fanfest there is a lot of non/very casual players that do see the ATs.


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