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Jabba Miner
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:52:00 - [1]
 

As the topic name says.

Please CSM, pass it to CCP.

If they implement vanity items avaible for PLEX convertible currency, it will (no metter what they say about that) drastically increase plex prices.

Just look at today plex price and 100m rise Jita Plex cost just few hours after blog disclosing new currency. It will go much farther.

Please, allow players to buy AUR for money and trade them like plexes for ISK, but dont allow PLEX<->AUR conversion
(it will still be possible via PLEX<->ISK trade<->AUR, but will not remove plex from game like PLEX<->AUR conversion)

Jabba Miner
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:18:00 - [2]
 

supporting my own idea :)

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry

Posted - 2011.05.28 13:04:00 - [3]
 

+1

Saerinea Kael
Posted - 2011.05.28 16:47:00 - [4]
 

Conditionally supported.

I have faith that CCP will be able to monitor the PLEX prices, but if anything were to happen it could mess up the market. Better safe than sorry.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.28 17:30:00 - [5]
 

Yeah, actually think this is a bad idea too. Buying the clothes/stuff on market for ISK is fine, buying PLEX for ISK is fine, buying items for AUR is fine.

I will point out, that the Dev Blog doesn't say anything about buying AUR for ISK though, only that you can convert a PLEX into AUR, and they'll be monitoring PLEX prices to balance the PLEX to AUR conversion. Without that conversion, AUR will be unobtanium.

Mortimer Civeri
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.05.28 18:17:00 - [6]
 

Once everyone has dressed up their space barbies, PLEX will experience the typical post patch crash again. This is just typical pre-patch speculation, driven higher with speculation on space barbie accessories being hot ticket items. Everybody is forgetting that there will be a secondary market later on, when everyone has purchased their space barbie accessories, there will be AUR left over which will get sold for ISK.

PLEX>AUR>ISK>PLEX

Looks like a new ISK sink to me. Not supported.

LordElfa
Gallente
Golden Lyon Warriors
Posted - 2011.05.28 20:25:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: LordElfa on 28/05/2011 20:27:32
Not supported either. The market will stabilize because it must. CCP will not allow the PLEX cost to rise too much as they have an investment far greater than any player in this thread or elsewhere to keep people using it.

There has been too much fear mongering thus far on something that hasn't even happened and may not happen at all.

And I pay for both my subs with PLEX so I'm not immune to PLEX costs rising whatsoever. I just choose not to take an alarmist position before the damned patch is eve released. Just wait till the patch and see what happens, you may end up feeling dumb for losing your mind over nothing.

However, you can't separate the damned Aur from the plex or it negates the whole purpose of the system which is to make money. If plex is not consumed for this process, then no money is made for CCP.

Max Kolonko
Caldari
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.28 21:45:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Max Kolonko on 28/05/2011 21:47:15
Originally by: Mortimer Civeri

Looks like a new ISK sink to me. Not supported.


Where do you see sink in here? Nowhere in this process ISK leaves game, only changes hands. It is PLEX that leaves game, rising PLEX price.

Originally by: LordElfa

However, you can't separate the damned Aur from the plex or it negates the whole purpose of the system which is to make money. If plex is not consumed for this process, then no money is made for CCP.



Yes there is, if AUR is made using RL money, just like PLEX is.

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.05.29 01:13:00 - [9]
 

+1

Mortimer Civeri
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.05.29 01:33:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Max Kolonko
Edited by: Max Kolonko on 28/05/2011 21:47:15
Originally by: Mortimer Civeri

Looks like a new ISK sink to me. Not supported.


Where do you see sink in here? Nowhere in this process ISK leaves game, only changes hands. It is PLEX that leaves game, rising PLEX price.
Thankfully CCP has provided players with an alternative source of PLEX. The buddy invite program raised the number you can invite to 10, and also made it so you can get PLEX instead of 30 days of game time, thus increasing supply.

Originally by: Max Kolonko
Originally by: LordElfa

However, you can't separate the damned Aur from the plex or it negates the whole purpose of the system which is to make money. If plex is not consumed for this process, then no money is made for CCP.



Yes there is, if AUR is made using RL money, just like PLEX is.
Leaving CCP like every other F2P MMO out there. If ya got to go to the cash shop to get the cool stuff, you will tick off quite a few people.

Othar en'gilliath
Caldari
OMNI Technologies
Posted - 2011.05.29 01:34:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Othar en''gilliath on 29/05/2011 01:39:02
+1

Mortimer Civeri
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.05.29 01:49:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Mortimer Civeri on 29/05/2011 01:55:04
Look at all the idiotic people supporting this drivel.

EDIT:

IF all the Chicken Littles out there would stop squawking about the sky falling, might I remind everyone about something I said earlier.

"This is just typical pre-patch speculation, driven higher with speculation on space barbie accessories being hot ticket items."

Stop screaming about the sky falling.

Max Kolonko
Caldari
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.29 05:15:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Mortimer Civeri
Edited by: Mortimer Civeri on 29/05/2011 01:55:04
Look at all the idiotic people supporting this drivel.



Why the hostility? Just because someone is not as optimistic about it as You doesn't make him Idiot. But that's ok, stare at the light in the tunnel, I rather make sure the train behind the light don't hit me.

Originally by: Mortimer Civeri

Leaving CCP like every other F2P MMO out there. If ya got to go to the cash shop to get the cool stuff, you will tick off quite a few people.


AUR <-> ISK trade like with plexes, like suggested in OP? Hello? Reading with comprehension?

Calineczka OdZapalek
Posted - 2011.05.29 15:02:00 - [14]
 

Bump fot good petition.

It starts from cloth and it will end on Raven State Issue, im against this seen this happend in too many games.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.29 16:42:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Calineczka OdZapalek
Bump fot good petition.

It starts from cloth and it will end on Raven State Issue, im against this seen this happend in too many games.


We're debating the conversion of PLEX to AUR, not whether it should be used to buy in game items. I guess you're just against everything associated with it though. Well.. I just bumped into an American site last nite that sells everything from Proteus to Titan skill books. $24.99 for the former, and $388.99 for the latter. Your argument clearly loses sway when you look at that. It's not the first site I've seen either, but certainly the best composed and with a very comprehensive selection.

I even checked them out on ebay, as they had the link there, and found they've been doing a very good business selling Faction Ravens, T2 Interceptor's and even the occaisional DVD or two that way. They even sell quite a few EVE GTC's on ebay, which I find rather odd, but then I'm not a criminal.

No WoW, Warhammer, or anything else, just EVE and old video's.

So.. what was your point? I seem to have lost how it mattered along the way there.

Mortimer Civeri
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.05.29 18:31:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Mortimer Civeri
Edited by: Mortimer Civeri on 29/05/2011 01:55:04
Look at all the idiotic people supporting this drivel.



Why the hostility? Just because someone is not as optimistic about it as You doesn't make him Idiot. But that's ok, stare at the light in the tunnel, I rather make sure the train behind the light don't hit me.


Ok, Chicken Little, the sky really is falling.Rolling Eyes

I have little patience for Chicken Littles, screaming that the sky is falling, every time a new patch is about to arrive. You are just feeding the hysteria that will make PLEX sellers more ISK.

Originally by: Max Kolonko
Originally by: Mortimer Civeri

Leaving CCP like every other F2P MMO out there. If ya got to go to the cash shop to get the cool stuff, you will tick off quite a few people.


AUR <-> ISK trade like with plexes, like suggested in OP? Hello? Reading with comprehension?


There IS going to be a secondary market. You will see people buying up vanity items with their leftover AUR and sell them for ISK. What is in the OP is alarmist hyperbole. If you can't comprehend that, well...

Alias 6322A
Posted - 2011.06.01 05:06:00 - [17]
 

Just stating the obvious...

But wouldn't CCP want plex to be more expensive?

As a side note: vanity items are hitting the market in isk as well. Initial prices will be through the roof but as vanity items become more widespread on the market over time, they will decrease in price. You see, most (sensible) people will see item B, want it, and sell their item A to get the isk for it. Literally people will, through the market (or their friends) trade off vanity items...gradually reducing the amount of AUR, and thus PLEX, involved. It won't ever COMPLETELY remove AUR and PLEX of course - if you looked at any other MMO's recently you'll know people are more than willing to just spend Real Money to get nifty vanity items.

Lidia Prince
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.01 06:38:00 - [18]
 

Not this again.

AUR is needed to stabilize the market, people. There are too many PLEX in-game, CCP needs a way to get them out and stabilize their amount on the market.

And PLEX will rise, one way or another. It's too easy to farm ISK and too many people prefer to "play for free" and buy their time via PLEX, of course PLEX will rise, it always has.

El 1974
Posted - 2011.06.01 07:42:00 - [19]
 

I don't see any point in disconnecting it, when you can simply trade items. PLEX prices will go up and people will leave. PLEX prices have already gone up. No doubt people have already decided to quit.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.01 08:06:00 - [20]
 

AUR was introduced to cull PLEX.
All those vanity items only have the purpose to reduce the amount of PLEX in circulation.
Asking for them to become available in alternate ways boggles the mind, it's contrary to the very reason they were put in in the first place.

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.06.01 19:37:00 - [21]
 

I don't support microtransactions, so I won't support a different way of implementing them either.

Ar'rry Uanid
Posted - 2011.06.21 23:55:00 - [22]
 

This is pure greediness! Skirt for 1 plex = 34usd. Disgusting.

Zleon Leigh
Posted - 2011.06.21 23:57:00 - [23]
 


LordElfa
Gallente
Golden Lyon Warriors
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:45:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Ar'rry Uanid
This is pure greediness! Skirt for 1 plex = 34usd. Disgusting.


35 bucks buys 2 PLEX's.

that said, the item prices are rediculous indeed but that has nothing to do with this thread.

Baron Holbach
Gallente
Ammo and Tag
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:05:00 - [25]
 

+1

Alia Fedayeen
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:05:00 - [26]
 

+1

vikari
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:39:00 - [27]
 

Honestly eve's a players market. Like the prices or not CCP's actions won't destroy the PLEX market. Basic supply and demand will balance out. There are people out there that won't sell PLEXs on the market because they don't make enough, they climb in price and you'll see them sold. Seriously don't assume something you have no way of knowing. Watch and see how the market adapts over the next couple months.

Eperor
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:59:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: vikari
Honestly eve's a players market. Like the prices or not CCP's actions won't destroy the PLEX market. Basic supply and demand will balance out. There are people out there that won't sell PLEXs on the market because they don't make enough, they climb in price and you'll see them sold. Seriously don't assume something you have no way of knowing. Watch and see how the market adapts over the next couple months.



Prices for PLEX its allready to highh 400 milj per 1 now in jita araund that insane was in some months ago 320. if price wil climb up to the 450 than i wil tink about leave the game complitly i not alone on that madure to leave game for this reason. ALL ready need farm araund 7 hours to get Plex, that for one char i have 4 accounts and i need them if i play game if i not play than afcors wil not play them up to, all i closed allready 1 acount. so that makes araund 28 hours off farming if i can play only 3-4 hours per day that makes araund 9 days pure farming, i not play weekends so its wil meke for me araund almost 2 weeks i not counting that i need skil books ships for pvp etc.

Cire XIII
Caldari
Ever Flow
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:17:00 - [29]
 

Not supported. The purpose of AUR was to reduce the stockpiles of PLEX that were accumulating. The price will even out after some speculations, most likely crash.

It'd be nice if the Noble store used ISK and AUR and did serve as an ISK sink.

steave435
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:56:00 - [30]
 

Even if you separate plex from aurum, it won't matter unless you also make it impossible to trade aurum and the stuff bought with it. Separating them without doing that will still decrease plex supply since people that want to convert RL cash to isk will have 2 different ways of doing so, some will choose to buy plex to sell, some will choose to buy aurum to sell, so less plex entering the game.

Short term, it has a pretty significant impact due to speculation and an initial rush by the people that really want this stuff to get it, but long term it will be much smaller when speculation calms down, a secondary market of second hand items has been created and demand has been lowered as most people already have what they want.


 

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