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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:43:00 - [211]
 

Edited by: Gogela on 27/05/2011 15:57:42
2 questions:

1) So if your cloths are lost when you are podded, is there any way to recover cloths from frozen bodies? ('do they drop' would be another way to ask that) There should be. I want to wear only the bloody rags of my victims. Answered: No drop

2) If I install a stripper pole and stripper and a fish tank, are they waiting for me in my captains quarters in every station I dock, or just the one they were installed at?

Arrow CCP?


Georgiy Giggle
The Sith Syndicate
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:45:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: Silpher
If this isn't some late April 1st joke, I have actually lost some respect for CCP for the first time in my 5 years of playing. This is the most upsetting feature CCP has ever released.


+1
It's first time i'm on a line between losing and not losing respect to CCP.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:45:00 - [213]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/05/2011 15:45:28
Originally by: CCP GingerDude
Originally by: Versuvius Marii
I'd say why not just make these items buyable with isk, but we all know you're pushing people to spend RL isk on PLEX. And thus, microtransactions finally make it to Eve.



You'll be able to buy these items on the regular market with ISK, provided someone is willing to sell it to you.



...

CCP

...

sigh ok please for the love of god reply to what I am going to ask.



I take isk, and convert it to plex. I convert plex to Atrum*whatever it's called*
Now I buy a jacket for 10 Atrum which is equal to about 200,000 isk

Now I go to the market and I try to sell it for say... 300,000 isk


why would anyone buy it when they could buy it from your store for 200,000 isk?

maybe I'm missing some little genius design plan here...

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:46:00 - [214]
 

Edited by: Nishachara on 27/05/2011 15:47:46
@ Mothermoon

Imho...why people buy skills in hubs at 20% higher price and more when they can jump few jumps and buy them from NPCs ?

Thats just my 2 isk...

Edit: also if i want a new jacket i wont break a plex for it, ill buy it from you... 100k isk more or less.. who cares :P

C0SMIC GIRL
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:47:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Bronwyn Dash
Edited by: Bronwyn Dash on 27/05/2011 12:54:02
Aurum is a horrible idea clearly so CCP can empty more pockets. Use ISK instead. We don't need two currencies.


This Neutral

Mitchello
B O R G
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:48:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: CCP Hammer
Originally by: Katrishar
Again, I think this system sounds awesome. Quick question though.... When we go down to just having 1 "noob ship" style default outfit after being podded, will there be the other character customization screen outfit choices available for "cheap?" In general will you have cheap and expensive clothes? I vote for this.
Short answer is yes. This first pass is simply a tracer bullet to gauge response. The future vision is that after being podded you will wake up in a clone bay in a medical gown. Then you will get your free orange noobie overalls (or whatever we come up with) but there will be all sorts of inexpensive stuff on offer to change into or maybe you weren't wearing your favorite stuff anyway and you can just put that one.


Two comments / concerns.

1. Tracking that, aka building the metrics. If this will take an angle of measuring across accounts without correcting this for account ownership / character use / character + account relations that will severely upset the figures on effective adoption and recognisable patterns.

I really hope, that this will be taken into account. Not only did you design us to be schizofrenic, you also designed our environment in space to reward being very schizofrenic. I realise this is difficult, in a sense of diverting from statistical analysis methods (what players tend to call "snapshot" angle), but it is perfectively doable since you do have the data in house. Getting the metrics right, is worth it. After all, we have seen over the years severe discrepancies between CCP's metrics "by snapshots" and effective situation within the environment.

2. Why not have a few base versions of jumpsuits. Nothing fancy, consider them something like what pilots wear beneath their flightsuit. Offer a few base colour variants in this, and let people engage in creating their own patterns with this. Not only will this provide a baseline for what is available, but it will also create room for people driving recognition & usage patterns. Remember, the guy wearing the red sweater in Star Trek always dies. So to speak. If that had a racial twitch, but gender neutral, that would be sweet.

Provide the basics while still enabling people to be provided for, with fallback for the cost of dying, and still providing a mix which leads to choices that people can fill by means of buying to seperate themselves from both the moment, the situation and the people around them.

Belenos Stardust
Belenos Stardust Enterprises
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:48:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: Sealiah
Awesome! STRIP POLES! How much for a stripper on that pole?


The strippers should already be in your hangar, if you kept them from the loot you snagged.


Ok so we know how much ISK one PLEX is worth, how much will AUR be worth in ISK? (You know people are going to sell it too)

Katrishar
Minmatar
Rayn Enterprises
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:49:00 - [218]
 

Because mothermoon, the guy buying for 300,000 didn't want to spend real money on getting the aurtum or whatever.

Mica Swanhaven
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:49:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: CCP Incognito
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue

I'm replying to you with my edit, so you don't miss it. Losing clothes on pod destruction seems rather silly from the lore perspective, or are you abandoning the fluidic pod concept entirely?


We are treating it as the cloths you are wearing are stored in your pod so you have cloths to wear when exiting your pod at the next station.


ok this makes more sense. But if that is the case, why don't I lose all of my clothes I've ever bought when I'm podded?

I mean I'll just undress every time I leave the station right? Is there anything stopping me from getting undressed before I undock?

Crypt XX
Unchained Potential
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:50:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: CCP Sisyphus

These items, other than how they are initially purchased, are just like any other item.

If it is in your pod (ie, wearing it), nothing survives being podded.
If it is in your ship's cargo, it has a chance of surviving and existing in the wreck.


So just another isk sink? Gotcha.

Charles37
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:51:00 - [221]
 

I am cautiously optimistic about the way CCP is implementing this.

I really, really like the idea of being able to change the PLEX-->Aurum conversion rate to use as an additional tool to help control PLEX prices, although changes to the exchange rate will probably need to be telegraphed a month or two in advance.

I'm still not all that convinced that Incarna is going to be very compelling from the gameplay side of the equation, but I'm willing to reserve judgement for now.

CCP Fallout

Posted - 2011.05.27 15:51:00 - [222]
 

The blog has been updated to include an image that describes how Aurum is acquired and used.

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:51:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Avraham Avinu
More money for CCP will probably equate to a better EVE Online.


I guess it is arguable--from a player perspective, at least given what we've seen so far--whether that theory applies to the tens of millions that CCP has received in venture capital to-date.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:52:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: Nishachara
Edited by: Nishachara on 27/05/2011 15:47:46
@ Mothermoon

Imho...why people buy skills in hubs at 20% higher price and more when they can jump few jumps and buy them from NPCs ?

Thats just my 2 isk...

Edit: also if i want a new jacket i wont break a plex for it, ill buy it from you... 100k isk more or less.. who cares :P


my only rebuk is that the item store can be accessed from literally anywhere, there is no travel time involved.

but I suppose the idea that you'd have to infuse a lot of isk at once... that's true... so you kinda have to buy in bulk...

Plectra
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:53:00 - [225]
 

Ok, so you need more guys to make monocles?
Crowd-source it!

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:53:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Please take a look at the goods available on Duality. We put some PLEX in the redeeming system to use to test the store and experience the goods.

The free clothing and accessories in the character creator are for choosing your character's default appearance. If you get podded, your new clone will awaken with this outfit. We don't intend to keep offering the full free clothing line each time you step into the character creator. Eventually you will see just the one free set and whatever clothing you have acquired.

One kind of thing that did not make it in to this test build is a re-skin of a current, common ship. It is not enhanced in any way except cosmetic.


I really Really REALLY HATE this idea... its one thing to add extra clothing lines that you pay for (I don't like that either) but to remove the extremely limited choices we have now... atm based on current plex prices and the new currency exchange rate on duality one of the new currency is worth about the same as a t1 frigate.
a t1 frigate is about the size of a modern day airliner, assuming they are about equivalent in terms of real terms cost, your asking us to believe that in the future a single skirt costs in the region of $100 million+. This is immersion breaking, as well as being an actual real world rip-off. If you ever want me to actually use Incarna you had better bloody well not expect me to even think about paying extra for it.
This has got to be one of the stupidest ideas I have seen you float... Including boot.ini

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:54:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: BondGamer
PLEX price is now up to 450 million. That is 55 million Isk in one day.


I love the market, already made a small fortune buy just buying up all the stuff and reselling it for higher. And guess what? It worked!

Join in the fray Very Happy

Daedalus II
Helios Research
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:54:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
The blog has been updated to include an image that describes how Aurum is acquired and used.

Why can't we change the arrow that points from PLEX to AUR so it points the other direction and buy AUR directly for real world currency?

Axon Atom
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:55:00 - [229]
 

Originally by: Mica Swanhaven
Originally by: CCP Incognito
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue

I'm replying to you with my edit, so you don't miss it. Losing clothes on pod destruction seems rather silly from the lore perspective, or are you abandoning the fluidic pod concept entirely?


We are treating it as the cloths you are wearing are stored in your pod so you have cloths to wear when exiting your pod at the next station.


ok this makes more sense. But if that is the case, why don't I lose all of my clothes I've ever bought when I'm podded?

I mean I'll just undress every time I leave the station right? Is there anything stopping me from getting undressed before I undock?



I'd like to know this too... can you just get undressed every single time you undock?

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:58:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Turelus


*EDIT 2*
I assume if we buy from players we can "use" the items and then it will be stuck on our account permanently. I would have to lose my ship and have to spend millions buying my trousers again.


Just walk around naked. I'm sure CCP will find a way to get you some free pants.

TheLostPenguin
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:58:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Mica Swanhaven

I mean I'll just undress every time I leave the station right? Is there anything stopping me from getting undressed before I undock?



This will require a new piece of UI. Designed by CCP. Place bet now how slow, cumbersome and terribad "quickly switching to free genero suit" can become...

CCP Zinfandel

Posted - 2011.05.27 15:59:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Gogela
2 questions:

1) So if your cloths are lost when you are podded, is there any way to recover cloths from frozen bodies? ('do they drop' would be another way to ask that) There should be. I want to wear only the bloody rags of my victims.

2) If I install a stripper pole and stripper and a fish tank, are they waiting for me in my captains quarters in every station I dock, or just the one they were installed at?

Arrow CCP?




The items in your cargo hold get treated all the same. That could drop and be looted by another player. Or they could be lost.

But if you are wearing them and the ship gets destroyed and you get podded, you will lose what you are wearing and there is no chance of looting. In other words, we are copying the experience of flying with implants. Also, jump clones may come in handy again.

We don't have the furnishings for captain's quarters yet. Let's save that for the future. It's its own full subject.

Ehranavaar
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:59:00 - [233]
 

if there is a problem with spurring creativity may i suggest draining that big fish tank and turning it into a beer vat. i've had any number of highly creative ideas while inebriated some of which actually turned out to be practical once i sobered up. sadly my cunning plan to make enough isk to buy ccp up and "fix" some of the things that annoy me wasn't one of them.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.05.27 16:01:00 - [234]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/05/2011 16:05:36
indeed

Morphisat
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2011.05.27 16:01:00 - [235]
 

To be very honest, this does not sound like my eve any more, and that makes me sad Crying or Very sad.

Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.05.27 16:02:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
The blog has been updated to include an image that describes how Aurum is acquired and used.


That images frightens and confuses me, also I think it is a fake, we all know ccp images are made in mspaint.


REAL TLDR:
Quote:

We will start out with a rather limited number of items initially, carefully measuring the demand and how it impacts the economy. As time progresses, we'll gradually introduce new items and revise our strategy.


So vanity first then all bets are off, got it.

Ehranavaar
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.27 16:02:00 - [237]
 

I mean I'll just undress every time I leave the station right? Is there anything stopping me from getting undressed before I undock?


you'd better undress before you go swimming in pod goo. if you don't the pod goo will "eat" your clothes as being contaminants of the goo.

CCP Zinfandel

Posted - 2011.05.27 16:03:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/05/2011 15:45:28
Originally by: CCP GingerDude
Originally by: Versuvius Marii
I'd say why not just make these items buyable with isk, but we all know you're pushing people to spend RL isk on PLEX. And thus, microtransactions finally make it to Eve.



You'll be able to buy these items on the regular market with ISK, provided someone is willing to sell it to you.



...

CCP

...

sigh ok please for the love of god reply to what I am going to ask.



I take isk, and convert it to plex. I convert plex to Atrum*whatever it's called*
Now I buy a jacket for 10 Atrum which is equal to about 200,000 isk

Now I go to the market and I try to sell it for say... 300,000 isk


why would anyone buy it when they could buy it from your store for 200,000 isk?

maybe I'm missing some little genius design plan here...


Not every player values ISK the same. Some are rich. Some are working hard each week to earn enough to pay for their accounts. Some are buying PLEX to fund their ISK needs.

If you offer folks something for X Aurum or Y ISK, you will get folks who find each attractive.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.05.27 16:04:00 - [239]
 

DEAR CCP,

Please log into your carebears and go to jita.

After the release of this devblog.

Plex prices jumped over 30% and are still climbing.


BAD IDEA

I mean REALLY OMG WHO THOUGHT THIS UP, bad idea. I will wager plex will be half a bill before incarna hits.

Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Posted - 2011.05.27 16:04:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Originally by: Gogela
2 questions:

1) So if your cloths are lost when you are podded, is there any way to recover cloths from frozen bodies? ('do they drop' would be another way to ask that) There should be. I want to wear only the bloody rags of my victims.

2) If I install a stripper pole and stripper and a fish tank, are they waiting for me in my captains quarters in every station I dock, or just the one they were installed at?

Arrow CCP?




The items in your cargo hold get treated all the same. That could drop and be looted by another player. Or they could be lost.

But if you are wearing them and the ship gets destroyed and you get podded, you will lose what you are wearing and there is no chance of looting. In other words, we are copying the experience of flying with implants. Also, jump clones may come in handy again.

We don't have the furnishings for captain's quarters yet. Let's save that for the future. It's its own full subject.


Fair enough. Followup:

If I take off my cloths and put on my 'orange overalls' and get podded and my jump clone is on the other side of the galaxy from where I changed my cloths at, are my cloths waiting for me there? Essentially what I'm asking is do the cloths you buy follow you around eve in your captains quarters closet or are they only available where you purchased them? (sorry not sure if I'm making sense here...)


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