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Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.06.14 04:00:00 - [1561]
 

Originally by: Kasidis
Originally by: Vandrion
Here is a part of one of my posts in this thread RL $$$ Alter Our Game... Coming Soon
My thread mirrors a lot of what is being said here. Pop in and post how you feel. Keep the topic in front of the CSM.

MT even vanity items are immersion breaking.

The same can be said of selling modules in the MT store. You are removing the players and their connection to the game. Selling items in the MT store only is very immersion breaking in this regard.

A player wasn't involved in the following:

Training the skills to build the item
Gathering the material to build the item
Building the item
Hauling the item to market
Selling the item on the market

Absolutely no inclusion for the player.

Removing player inclusion in the process also removes the players ownership and sense of accomplishment in the results. Eve isn't about having an easy button. Eve is about reaping the rewards of your effort.








CCP has removed the Sticky from this thread so that it slowly dies... DON'T LET IT DIE!!!!!


BUMP IT BACK TO LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What I dont understand is since when did they say they were going have modules in the MT store? Everyone is acting as if they are, which they are not. I am completely fine with MT as long as its vanity only. Like anyone else, I would be ****ed if they crossed that line but they havent. Maybe this will get more money to improve the game.


Yeah like all the money they made to improve the game that is being used to fund WOD/DUST514. You can hope all you want that more money to CCP means better EVE but the past has shown us that is not the case. If anything the vanity item store with the Aurum GOLD shows us the future will be paying for content. To CCP it is no longer feasible or profitable(enough) just to get the subscription cost PLUS PLEX sales now they need extra income for the content they used your subscription costs to fund.

A ship isn't a vanity item, the paint job is, but the latest news is to get your special ship with the paintjob you pay $$ and 'kazam' a ship with a paint job appears out of thin air. No ship is required to 'get' the paint job just real money, you are buying a ship with money this is a MT and it is BS.



Elisa Vilerum
Posted - 2011.06.14 05:11:00 - [1562]
 

bump @ fail CCP

Mark Hamill
Amarr
Galactic Waste Management
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.06.14 05:32:00 - [1563]
 

Not that CCP will ever listen to my voice or any other (why would they start now since a solid NO to MT thread has been going on since last year and they're obviously ignoring that) here's my 2 cents.

I don't do MT... never have, never will.

A second currency? Nice, next thing you know we'll have another and another and another.. and then we'll be playing WoW in space. I left WoW years ago and multiple currencies was among the reasons. Just tried Rift, found the same thing, closed the account. You do that here and you'll see how quickly I and lots of others find another MMO.

Vanity items? Fine, pay for them with ISK... not PLEX.

Ships for Aurum? Just no. I recently tried out WoT and found I'm not going to get into that either for that very reason. People start playing and within a week they have tanks that they didn't earn. That happens here, I'm long gone. You start with a painted scorpion and next week we'll have noobs in titans. Don't even go down this path.

CCP... don't let your greed for hard currency exceed what your players are willing to tolerate. I.e. - Stop ****ing with my sandbox!


Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.14 06:31:00 - [1564]
 

"Vanity items only" -> "Here's a perfectly functional ship that appeared without any player input."

Interesting interpretation of "vanity item" there CCP. You could, of course, choose to not ship the special Scorpion model until after you have the capability of selling only a X-run BPC (or an IW Scorp for Aurum + regular Scorpion).

FluffyDice
StarFckers Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.14 09:29:00 - [1565]
 

I am quietly quitting Eve and closing both my accounts. Its been a pleasure flying with you all. I feel like the concepts that the game originally was designed under have been abandoned by a bunch of filthy greedy money grabbing *****s.

I'm sorry to see it go but i just can't waste my life away on broken promises anymore. Its a shame really.

Glafri
Posted - 2011.06.14 10:37:00 - [1566]
 

I just wonder how many alt accounts you're going to be losing with these changes.

Do I cancel 1 or 2 of my alts...

Sethose Olderon
Gryphon Chancellery
Gryphon League
Posted - 2011.06.14 11:13:00 - [1567]
 

Originally by: Glafri
I just wonder how many alt accounts you're going to be losing with these changes.

Do I cancel 1 or 2 of my alts...


I would assume that depends on just how far PLEX prices shoot through the roof...

Davich MacGregor
Minmatar
Stellar Products and Quality Resources
Posted - 2011.06.14 13:29:00 - [1568]
 

This whole thing sucks Donkey ***k. Either go free to play or **** the whole piece of feeeeeeceeeeees.

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.14 13:58:00 - [1569]
 

This whole thing is one big slippery slope and it will wreck the game.

C0mbat W0mbat
Posted - 2011.06.14 14:11:00 - [1570]
 

giving players the ability to make their char look a bit more unique for RL cash? yes - if they want, it does not have any influence on my game

giving ships/mods to other players, *without* consuming material acquired by players in game? no - not even for 3-4 months (we all know how long 3-4 months can get with development, not only from CCP -> soonTM)

next step would be to give out quafe zero (or whatever that booster drug was, that was given as present items) via MT/aurum, giving players, who pay extra RL cash, an in-game advantage
having an alt for scouting is also giving advantages for extra cash, but the alt can be killed, whereas the drug cannot be countered

how about 2 weeks of doubled training speed / instant skill training / instant standing gains / instant re-location of my ship to a system of my choice / doubled damage output of my guns for 24h etc for Aurum? Sounds good, doesn't it?


Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.14 14:39:00 - [1571]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
"Vanity items only" -> "Here's a perfectly functional ship that appeared without any player input."

Interesting interpretation of "vanity item" there CCP. You could, of course, choose to not ship the special Scorpion model until after you have the capability of selling only a X-run BPC (or an IW Scorp for Aurum + regular Scorpion).


QFT - What in the name of hoollies has gotten into CCP lately?

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.06.14 16:05:00 - [1572]
 

have ccp added a dont load station environment button to this crap yet?


Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:09:00 - [1573]
 

Also lodging my complaint about spawning a ship out of nowhere. I realize that aurum comes from PLEX and PLEX is bought with ISK earned in-game, but PLEX also comes directly from a RM transaction. Ergo, the ship could potentially be spawned from nothing and paid for with the equivalent of pure cash (assuming the PLEX used was one bought with cash, as opposed to getting bought with ISK from the market. Ergo CCP's statement about this sort of thing being beyond the scope of their microtransaction plans is horse hockey.

Up with this we will not put. Evil or Very Mad

Erim Solfara
Amarr
inFluX.
Posted - 2011.06.15 01:51:00 - [1574]
 

Bumping with disgust for the whole ****ing store. Incarna is great, dust is great, a full price subscription game with MT content is not.

Devs have stated that ultimately they'd like newborn clones to have no clothing or accessories, requiring us to purchase them again from the store. This directly removes content from subscribed users and puts it behind a paywall, someone, somewhere (who must be paying a subscription), must pay real world money to acquire monocles, this is unacceptable in my eyes.

Further to that, having checked out the most recent and most of the preceeding builds of Incarna on duality/singularity, the stuff you're selling in your store, (the emphasis needs to be on SELLING here), is awful. It's uninspirational, out of character, fashion designer JUNK. EVE has lost it's science fiction roots, (starting with the removal of the old intro video), and looks set to never really recover them.

Doc Fury
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.15 04:15:00 - [1575]
 

The slope is so slippery now, I think I can hear the wind in my ears as we approach terminal velocity.




Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.15 12:34:00 - [1576]
 

Cosmoes dug this jewel up from the past:

CCP used to Parody companies that did this


Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.15 13:32:00 - [1577]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Cosmoes dug this jewel up from the past:

CCP used to Parody companies that did this




Countdown until that little gem gets deleted: 3,2,1...

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:46:00 - [1578]
 

...

No to special-colored ships that don't consume in game resources.

Dur.


CCP, you've been making some realy poor public relations decisions lately.

Tier Eins
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:12:00 - [1579]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Cosmoes dug this jewel up from the past:

CCP used to Parody companies that did this




this makes me sad.
it shows that ccp once understood what destroys a virtual world but chose to ignore it for the sake of making money.

marketing speak and microtransactions will not make eve better.
i will not pay a subscription fee for a microtransaction game. accounts canceled.

Tyana Oro
Akashwani
Posted - 2011.06.16 04:41:00 - [1580]
 

Edited by: Tyana Oro on 16/06/2011 04:47:47


NO BUYING NON PLAYER BUILT SHIPS FOR REAL LIFE MONEY!

Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.06.16 09:14:00 - [1581]
 

subscription charge plus content charges is bad enough. buying items for rm is even worse. you must be ****ing kidding me!

ccp, with 2 announcements (this and 3rd party licenses) you managed to kill my motivation to play your game.

Neu Bastian
Minmatar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.16 18:52:00 - [1582]
 

use ISK to buy a PLEX to buy Aronto buy stuff you can sell for ISK?

This is the dumbest thing I've hear in a long while, and I'm in FW so I know some dumb pople.

Fix blobs, Fix lag, Fix FW. If people wanna play dress us, they can go to second life.

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.06.16 21:19:00 - [1583]
 

I agree with all the rage in this thread...

this worries me.

rooster coghburn
Posted - 2011.06.17 01:22:00 - [1584]
 

we all work hard for r money so we can play a game online dont reach into r pockets and expect us not to notice and when did this become like a nintendo sim game i thought this was going to be diff game but dress up sorry if im going to kill im not going to ask if u got a pair of nikes on r where did u go to get those sunglasses at Evil or Very Mad

Twisted Xistance
The Grief Wave
Posted - 2011.06.17 02:37:00 - [1585]
 

ATTENTION: this is definately NOT the first stage of making eve into a micro transaction game were all the best ships and mods will have to be purchased with the new currency

Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.06.17 02:45:00 - [1586]
 

Monocles or Death?

Ummm, death please...

THERE IS NO DEATH...now shut up and eat your MT's like a good lolcustomer.

Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
Posted - 2011.06.17 06:05:00 - [1587]
 

Edited by: Rip Minner on 17/06/2011 06:18:38

This thing is a freaking joke plz.

I have and will still play F2P games with real stores that work. But what I see here is that that Devs were smoking and they were not passing.

Thats puff puff pass not puff puff and keep on puffing.

Let me explain here. I play alot of differnt online games for pay per month like EVE to Cash shop games like well my new one is going to be Hellgate.

But even so let me point something out to you that I have seen.

The F2P games that work have cash shop iteams like Potions or in the case of EVE booster drugs that they sale for steady stream pluse hardware iteams like swords or armor or Vanity iteams for dress up. But you dont lose your clothing or armor when you die.

Here your telling me you have no limited time boosting iteams for steady stream but your expecting to resale me a new paint job every ship or Xnumber. And the same with cloths.

I have one thing to say to that Kiss it. X markes the spot.

Hear is an ideal to make your store work. Put in boosters that are just as good or better then the Null sec ones but are legal in High sec. Then let people freaking keep there cloths and paint jobs you Jack A**es. People are paying you cash ether directly or indirectly for fluff. The first time someone buys a new paint job or par of paints and turns around in 30mins with it gone there mostly likely never to buy again.

Edit: By keeping I mean so long as it's not siting in the cargo hold of there ship at time of explotion. If the paint is on the ship they keep it for the next one and if the cloths are on there backs they come out of the clone vat with that on. I have seen F2P games fall flat on there faces with cash shops like the one your starting up. But then again they did not have Subs to back up there horble cash shop.

Flesh Slurper
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.17 06:09:00 - [1588]
 

Originally by: Rip Minner
Hear is an ideal to make your store work. Put in boosters that are just as good or better then the Null sec ones but are legal in High sec. Then let people freaking keep there cloths and paint jobs you Jack A**es.


Yes please. Do this so I can finally have a true reason to cancel my EVE account.

Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
Posted - 2011.06.17 06:15:00 - [1589]
 

Edited by: Rip Minner on 17/06/2011 06:17:17
Edited by: Rip Minner on 17/06/2011 06:16:22
Originally by: Flesh Slurper
Originally by: Rip Minner
Hear is an ideal to make your store work. Put in boosters that are just as good or better then the Null sec ones but are legal in High sec. Then let people freaking keep there cloths and paint jobs you Jack A**es.


Yes please. Do this so I can finally have a true reason to cancel my EVE account.


The cash shop as they have it now is not going to work for very long. I know your loving it. Fully knowing your going to ether steal or destroy what people spend real cash on ether directly or indirectly but when they see it makes them a full on major target most people will stop buying stuff.

The cash store will look like low sec. People will keep cloths in there favorit station and take them off before leaviing. Mybe paint up a ship they spin in only in station. It's just going to be lame.

Bubba Phet
Caldari
S0utherN Comfort
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2011.06.17 13:13:00 - [1590]
 

Charging third party developers to use your PI, creating items in game that players have to pay for. Is ccp going broke or something?


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