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TomParad0x
Caldari
RogueNET
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:34:00 - [691]
 

I was about to join the "Hur I'm going to quit" train, but then realized you can buy these vanity items with isk from people who bought them with money. All this has done is added a second route to turning real money into ISK. So meh, seems fine with me.

As long as you can't buy useful ships or items (overpowered or not) from this store with real money only then it sounds like a good way for them to make some extra money.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:38:00 - [692]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 12:39:26

So, we can undock with not only PLEX but AURUM in our cargo to be ganked?

So not all station stores have the same items? Hence the need to move AURUM / PLEX about?


Ulair Memmet
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:38:00 - [693]
 

This sounds good to me :) It gives you some extra cash, but doesn't necessarily **** off players who don't want to spend rl money for this as they are tradeable.
Good job CCP

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:41:00 - [694]
 

Originally by: Kale Kold
Edited by: Kale Kold on 28/05/2011 12:34:32

I cant believe CCP have introduced another currency when ISK would of been fine!

Not only that but the first batch of content released for Incarna is behind a ******* paywall!!!

Jesus, do they understand that a game thrives on content! Now when WIS is finally released in 2020 everyone will look the same because no-one will use real money to buy other content.

This is a stupid idea and to protest i've just cancelled an alt account forever!

I will NOT be paying RL money for stuff my subscription should cover!!! This is CCP's NGE!


Really? You don't get to wear a monocle for free and you deem this NGE? Really?

Dark Reignz
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:47:00 - [695]
 

CCP I'm wondering if its possible to implement an in-game vote system that every player can vote on for magor announcements and ideas instead of just getting the same old Elitest views from the bitter veteran forum warriors.

Not sure how it would work but something like, an annoucement or pop up in game asking the entire community to place a vote via the petition system (with an added function specifically for voting).

CCP can then filter out all votes from alts leaving one vote per actual player and finally announce the results ingame on the log in page and in the forums.

Sick and tired now of the said Old elitest and bitter veterans. Also reap the tears just roll out the respec for plex... and fck em all LOL.

If people dont want to use MT systems they dont have to, simples.

new fgft Athonille
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:54:00 - [696]
 

i want new ships and i dont care if you have to put them in the c store

make new t3 ships for us to fly in ccp.

ko4e
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:55:00 - [697]
 

now i have a problem. When Mt's first started popping up it was in cheap nasty mmo's that where looking for people to pay a little a time, i accepted this because none of them wanted a monthly sub at the same time.

then other mmo's started MT stores, and to add to that, they asked for monthly sub and some even asked for xpack payments.

now in over 15 years of mmo playing, i find myself jumping ship from so many in the last 3 years than the other 12, the first 12 years i was dedicated to 3 mmo's and paid to play (buying se edition's etc too)

what am i trying to say? MT's are evil and just for milking the cash cow. I'll see how this goes BUT if i get this MT store rubbed in my face AT ANY TIME, I'll leave this mmo and won't look back.

if it remains just a tailor store then so be it. BUT SHIPS/MODS/INSERTGAMEITEMHERE should be off limits and also should be a UNBROKEN golden rule it also seems a trend for company's to lie to the customer base at the start of introducing mt stores and start inserting game play items etc

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:02:00 - [698]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 12:39:26

So, we can undock with not only PLEX but AURUM in our cargo to be ganked?

So not all station stores have the same items? Hence the need to move AURUM / PLEX about?




Aurum is in your wallet. Its like isk, you always have it, it never drops, can never be destroyed

ko4e
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:04:00 - [699]
 

Edited by: ko4e on 28/05/2011 13:07:05
Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 12:39:26

So, we can undock with not only PLEX but AURUM in our cargo to be ganked?

So not all station stores have the same items? Hence the need to move AURUM / PLEX about?




Aurum is in your wallet. Its like isk, you always have it, it never drops, can never be destroyed



but the blog says destroying a plex, if Aurum is a currency (a number) rather than a item ingame then wouldn't that be converting a plex? how would we sell it?

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:04:00 - [700]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 12:39:26

So, we can undock with not only PLEX but AURUM in our cargo to be ganked?

So not all station stores have the same items? Hence the need to move AURUM / PLEX about?




Aurum is in your wallet. Its like isk, you always have it, it never drops, can never be destroyed



So howcome theyre saying we can get AURUM from wrecks?

Pure BS?

Gan ZhiNu
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:14:00 - [701]
 

The way I see it, MT is nasty crappy miserable policy/action for a company to take... What I would really like to see happen is to have all the MT users become the primary gank targets.

Hulkageddon??

Nay!

I say AURUMGEDDON.

Wanna spend $35 on nice graphics for your shuttle? Nice pants? Silly little eyepiece? I say find it and gank it. Turn this MT **** into an opportunity to MEGAGRIEF the MT users.

View it as an opportunity to REALLY drive the whiners nuts!

"WAAAA CCP... Somebody just blowed up my $35 paintjob and my strapon d1ldo i had for 2ndlif...errr Incarna station sex activities!! I wany my monees bak! boohoo!!"

Make this happen and Eve might become a fun place to play again

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:17:00 - [702]
 



People are not against the AURUM store as it is NOW, they are against what MIGHT (most probably) will come after.

It is a very fine line that Valve is not even crossing.

CCP know this and are treading slowly and gauging reaction just as valve is, most like it is here to say, tough.

Vote with our wallets /REAL and VIRTUAL.

If they make gameplay affecting items purchasable, just show them by boycotting all said items and thus give poor numbers and make their investment not pay off, hurts their wallet in the long run as it cost them devhours/spechours and so on to make it.

People fear what comes after, not the first step.


Terh Rumnatarn
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:19:00 - [703]
 

Originally by: Ruby Khann
So you're putting content behind a paywall, exactly like you said you wouldn't do.



This. Sad

Olivia Berett
Caldari
Brasfleet Networking Co.
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:19:00 - [704]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 12:39:26

So, we can undock with not only PLEX but AURUM in our cargo to be ganked?

So not all station stores have the same items? Hence the need to move AURUM / PLEX about?




With a little ingenuity you never need to fool around with plexes in your cargo hold to have them anywhere you want. I had sold plex in many different places and never had to transport them in cargo hold.

Kazsaw
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:22:00 - [705]
 

Keep this to visual aesthetics only. If you go to special ships and weapons and augments being exclusively bought with this new currency... it will be silly to continue to play.

Kazsaw
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:24:00 - [706]
 

Originally by: Dark Reignz
CCP I'm wondering if its possible to implement an in-game vote system that every player can vote on for magor announcements and ideas instead of just getting the same old Elitest views from the bitter veteran forum warriors.

Not sure how it would work but something like, an annoucement or pop up in game asking the entire community to place a vote via the petition system (with an added function specifically for voting).

CCP can then filter out all votes from alts leaving one vote per actual player and finally announce the results ingame on the log in page and in the forums.

Sick and tired now of the said Old elitest and bitter veterans. Also reap the tears just roll out the respec for plex... and fck em all LOL.

If people dont want to use MT systems they dont have to, simples.


Good idea.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:25:00 - [707]
 

So my subscription is no longer good enough for CCP? They need to find other ways to take my money?

Obvious money grab is obvious. Becuase that is all this is. Sugar coat it all you want, but its designed to suck more money out of the player base.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:26:00 - [708]
 

Originally by: Terh Rumnatarn
Originally by: Ruby Khann
So you're putting content behind a paywall, exactly like you said you wouldn't do.



This. Sad


again, it's only behind a pay wall if you want to buy wholesale and make a profit on the market.

One plex scores you like 1000 jackets. So do you want to buy 100 jackets, or just one for the price of 5? with normal isk?

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:27:00 - [709]
 

Originally by: Kazsaw
Originally by: Dark Reignz
CCP I'm wondering if its possible to implement an in-game vote system that every player can vote on for magor announcements and ideas instead of just getting the same old Elitest views from the bitter veteran forum warriors.

Not sure how it would work but something like, an annoucement or pop up in game asking the entire community to place a vote via the petition system (with an added function specifically for voting).

CCP can then filter out all votes from alts leaving one vote per actual player and finally announce the results ingame on the log in page and in the forums.

Sick and tired now of the said Old elitest and bitter veterans. Also reap the tears just roll out the respec for plex... and fck em all LOL.

If people dont want to use MT systems they dont have to, simples.


Good idea.


It has been proven many times that companies just kneejerking features based on customer rants, is bad.

Sometimes it is best to ignore forums, it is a fine line and you have to judge for yourself what is good and bad, most players don't have the BIG picture and just care about their own game.

But yes they should listen, look what happened when Tribes Vengence devs ignored players, it flopped.


CCP Zinfandel

Posted - 2011.05.28 13:29:00 - [710]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 12:39:26

So, we can undock with not only PLEX but AURUM in our cargo to be ganked?


No. There is no physical object for Aurum. It's like ISK. It's just a number in a wallet.

Originally by: Miilla
So not all station stores have the same items? Hence the need to move AURUM / PLEX about?




As of today, all stores have the same goods in stock. That may change some day but there is no plan for that at the moment.

Olivia Berett
Caldari
Brasfleet Networking Co.
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:32:00 - [711]
 

Originally by: Miilla


People are not against the AURUM store as it is NOW, they are against what MIGHT (most probably) will come after.

It is a very fine line that Valve is not even crossing.

CCP know this and are treading slowly and gauging reaction just as valve is, most like it is here to say, tough.

Vote with our wallets /REAL and VIRTUAL.

If they make gameplay affecting items purchasable, just show them by boycotting all said items and thus give poor numbers and make their investment not pay off, hurts their wallet in the long run as it cost them devhours/spechours and so on to make it.

People fear what comes after, not the first step.




This wont work. For a single person that doesnt like bought advantages, bought vanity itens, bought what-ever-it-is, there are 3 others who like this, want this, and dont like the idea that you need a month training, plus weeks grinding, just to have a virtual good and have fun in the game.

Have you seen EVE news ? have you seen notorious players ? Only a handful of alliances can feel they are making "something" noticeable with EVE. The ones knowing that EVE spotligh isnt for them, wont bother about the ones it is. That is why these things will escalate as you are foreseeing. It is entirely you own desire, as you value things ingame which some people dont want to achieve, or dont feel suitable to them.

When EVE news and promotional ads show non-combat related news as much as the combat ones, maybe more people will be concerned about the same things you do. As long as EVE still "freely enjoyable" as fulfillment just for PvPers and "Jihadswarm" people, many people wont be concerned about MT and general IRL currency power aswell.

CCP Zinfandel

Posted - 2011.05.28 13:33:00 - [712]
 

Originally by: Terh Rumnatarn
Originally by: Ruby Khann
So you're putting content behind a paywall, exactly like you said you wouldn't do.



This. Sad


It's also completely false.


Mother Fokker
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:33:00 - [713]
 

Stick with me a bit, need to remind you smt in CCP's words.....

I remember a few years back when Torfi announced us WIS, now known as Incarna. Huge hype, everythign seemd to work just fine and t looked as if it was ready to be launched the very next day. Today, three or so years later we will get to see this in partitions. (Hopefully it will be a better attempt than the industrial expansion and the New forums that remain cloacked in safespot in a system uncharted to us users. Sorry had to βιtch a bit)

Here is the deal with Aurum though.....

Torfi said that we would be able ourself to produce vanity items and furniture and stuff for our bars. WE not THEM. Now i come and ask......

Will the bars the rent for upkeep, the furniture the liquor and dancers etc be sold via aurum as well? Because if you do this will go more and more in to the Second Life sphere of gamplay.

This is OUR sandbox and the Sand has been paid for. Dont Shιt in it pls, I am sceptical.

but than again.... CCP has proven me wrong before. And they gt us by the balls for nearly ten years.

And if what they say about EvE is true. They will be squeezing them on and on forever.

P.S ..... Torfi remember.... because if you dont.... we do. Cheers all

Cunane Jeran
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:33:00 - [714]
 

I think I can forgive CCP for completely ignoring the core aspect of the game and the main reason we play for 2 years, to give us fancy hats

IF

They pull their fingers out of their asses and start doing something about:

- Hybrids
- FW
- More T3
- Fixing the god damn bugs
- Bring back standings (just remove the agents from the list no one needs to see that)
- Generally making the game better, not the part where I'm AFK.

Kaylee Rin
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:35:00 - [715]
 

I'm sure CCP, or anyone else for that matter, will care but this is where I say goodbye to Eve.

It's one thing to have PLEX - I get it - but a new currency dedicated to micro transactions? Again, no one cares but as a fairly new player this game gives me nothing. I've learned a lot on my own or by reading tons of information during my off time, I've had to buy a plex just to be able to get a few things to keep up and I'm still no-where to where I want to be. That's fine, I accept that as being Eve's charm and part of the attraction.

Trying to get more money out of me for "pretty little things" and guising it in: "Well, we're really busy and we need to generate income to pay for this somehow" is downright insulting. If you think little of me, as one of your players, to not even give me the "pretty little thing" - which I love by the way - then is just not something I want to be a part of.

Have's and have nots in real life are one thing, in my online life I would like to have a slight amount of equality with everyone else given an even amount of time and experience.

But again, I realize no one will care about one little girl that logs off for the last time.

Larissa Sunsorrow
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:35:00 - [716]
 

You guys don't get it.
With some aurum you can make a lot of isk and even a who(l|r)e new profession. when we meet each other "incarna" you can work as a "dancer", wearing some sort of fetish leather clothes, just like this doing whatever you want in some station club or doing some private shows in a private customer's cq.

all of this after you wallet blink, of course.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:36:00 - [717]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 13:37:18

I guestion their planning on these features.

They say we are getting the ability to change bloodlines in future, but clothing items come first?

I am waiting until I can change out of this bloodline they ruined in the new models before I buy AURUM items.

They should have had bloodline changes first.

Investing money into clothing for avatars depends on us actually liking our new avatars.

Who is in Release Management? What have they to say on this?


Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:40:00 - [718]
 

I'll take death please. I'm Pro Incarna but against Mirco transactions beyond PLEX.

AURUM to me looks like World of Tanks gold....

Also. My support for Incarna is only of you fix the camera.... Have it static to the head and not go willy nilly and not look at where you're going. Also, First person view. Otherwise it is unbearably unusable.

HyperZerg
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:42:00 - [719]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Originally by: Terh Rumnatarn
Originally by: Ruby Khann
So you're putting content behind a paywall, exactly like you said you wouldn't do.



This. Sad


It's also completely false.




What is false ?

That you put stuff behind a paywall?
That you never said it?
Or that it isn't sad ?

EvE became great that you DON'T have to pay for expansions and new stuff all the time. Now you get greedy and risk the game. Sure you can do it, it's your game. If you tell us it's not about the money you can seed it for ISK or let us build the cloth. Else, it's just a lie.

Btw, I'll go from 3 to 2 accounts to get the "money" for the new features you provides us with.

Kale Kold
Mindless Griefing
Posted - 2011.05.28 13:42:00 - [720]
 

Originally by: Mother Fokker
Torfi said that we would be able ourself to produce vanity items and furniture and stuff for our bars. WE not THEM. Now i come and ask......

Will the bars the rent for upkeep, the furniture the liquor and dancers etc be sold via aurum as well? Because if you do this will go more and more in to the Second Life sphere of gamplay.

This is OUR sandbox and the Sand has been paid for. Dont Shιt in it pls, I am sceptical.

This tbh!
WTF aren't we just given tools to make our own content and be able to sell it for ISK on the market like other MMO's? This was the idea presented to us at fanfest!!!! No, CCP would rather make the content and charge real money for it!!! Pathetic!! Evil or Very Mad


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