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Sturmwolke
Posted - 2011.05.27 11:51:00 - [1]
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13545386

"I think what you've got there is a clash of prototypical German efficiency with the prototypical British sense of fair play"

Razz

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.05.27 11:56:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Astenion on 27/05/2011 11:58:58
The Brits by far. Germans are just anal-retentive and direct, while Brits tend to be very passive aggressive...it's what makes Brit humor so funny. They're so rude that it's comedic to them; they don't realize that having a sense of humor doesn't give you the right to berate people, and they don't understand why some people take offense because all they do is berate everyone they come into contact with.

That's not to say they're uncouth...it's just very subtle, and so many people don't even realize they're being berated until after the fact, which is actually quite genius. I would say there's much more malice behind it, however, than with the Germans.

Iasius
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.05.27 12:00:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Iasius on 27/05/2011 12:07:50
Both the Germans and the English are snobs. An honest snob is better than faux populism.

I have been to Germany once for work. It was amusing how the sales manager was very enthusiastic towards me and interested in my ideas but with the overarching tone that his procedures were better than our UK ones and we are not going to change them anyway. But for the small sales office his procedures were ideal.




Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.05.27 12:04:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Astenion
They're so rude that it's comedic to them; they don't realize that having a sense of humor doesn't give you the right to berate people, and they don't understand why some people take offense because all they do is berate everyone they come into contact with.

That's not to say they're uncouth...it's just very subtle, and so many people don't even realize they're being berated until after the fact, which is actually quite genius. I would say there's much more malice behind it, however, than with the Germans.


Maybe with modern British humor, but old British humor was much more friendly.

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.05.27 12:12:00 - [5]
 

Like most countries, and as indicated in that article, it is a social misunderstanding based on language.

German language is stikomythical, whereas British people (depending on region) will be less implicit in their conversations.

As the english language is so much a cut n paste of Europe, the complexity of simple conversation has evolved into a series of half-statements where tonality and cadence means more than what is being said.

As for the British being rude? I don't necessarilly disagree with that perception.

AK

Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.05.27 12:46:00 - [6]
 

How does small talk make us rude?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.05.27 13:00:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
How does small talk make us rude?

Bordering on dishonesty, not rudeness.

Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.05.27 13:09:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
How does small talk make us rude?

Bordering on dishonesty, not rudeness.


And the irony is we're trying to be polite Sad

somebadgergotherpes
Pony.
Posted - 2011.05.27 13:23:00 - [9]
 

British Humor Best Humor
*Is British*
I believe the rest of the world has failed to adapt to our sense of humor, even after our empire spired the world Rolling Eyes

Lubna Xerox
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2011.05.27 14:26:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: somebadgergotherpes
British Humor Best Humor
*Is British*
I believe the rest of the world has failed to adapt to our sense of humor, even after our empire spired the world Rolling Eyes

What? Spired the world? Are you joking?

Ow and by the way you'll tell to that Morrissey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgxEJOi6GtA

that Jeanne d'Arc never had any walkman.

Ha :O
Vive la France!

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.05.27 14:28:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
How does small talk make us rude?

Bordering on dishonesty, not rudeness.

And the irony is we're trying to be polite Sad

When you're trying to be polite, you're trying to NOT say what you want to say, but something the other party would rather prefer to hear.
Being polite *is* bordering on dishonesty, isn't it ?

Lubna Xerox
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2011.05.27 14:47:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Akita T
When you're trying to be polite, you're trying to NOT say what you want to say, but something the other party would rather prefer to hear.
Being polite *is* bordering on dishonesty, isn't it ?

Ow , us french, when we are trying to be polite, we try to NOT say what we DON'T want to say, but something the other would rather prefer to NOT hear.
That's quite honest, even if we fail at it.

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.05.27 14:53:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: somebadgergotherpes
British Humor Best Humor
*Is British*
I believe the rest of the world has failed to adapt to our sense of humor, even after our empire spired the world Rolling Eyes


That's because you are unable to tell where something stops being humorous and starts being rude and passive aggressive. Monty Python is over.

The fact is your sense of humor is dead. You don't have a true sense of humor because what you consider humorous these days, other people would consider arrogant and rude. We're not talking about Little Britain, The Office, or The IT Crowd; we're talking about how the English interact with other people...you insult them in what you consider a joking way. Then, just like you said, you think "the rest of the world has failed to adapt to your sense of humor". What you don't realize is that it is YOU who have failed to adapt to the rest of the world.

A little light joking or prodding never hurt anyone, but that's not what this is about. You often cross the line by having fun at others' expense, but in a crass way as of late.

It's the way of the world, though. If we're going to generalize, Americans are ignorant, Germans are anal, the French are @ssholes, and the English are snobbish pr!cks.

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.05.27 14:53:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Akita T
When you're trying to be polite, you're trying to NOT say what you want to say, but something the other party would rather prefer to hear.

That's called being diplomatic, although there is some overlap with being polite.
Politeness is not necessarily even close to dishonesty.


Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:03:00 - [15]
 

That depends on what you consider polite and what you consider diplomatic. You can still get your point across honestly in a polite way...that would be considered being diplomatic. Being polite by telling someone their food is good when it's not is not being diplomatic...that's lying. Being diplomatic would be to let someone know you aren't fond of something but in a polite way.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:05:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 27/05/2011 15:11:00
Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
Originally by: Akita T
When you're trying to be polite, you're trying to NOT say what you want to say, but something the other party would rather prefer to hear.

That's called being diplomatic, although there is some overlap with being polite. Politeness is not necessarily even close to dishonesty.

No, being diplomatic is saying what you want to say in a way that will offend the other party the least.

Example ? You have just received a gift you don't like.
RUDE : "That's a crappy gift, what the hell were you thinking".
POLITE : "Oh, what a lovely gift, I always wanted one of these, thank you ever so much".
DIPLOMATIC : "I appreciate the gesture, thank you for remembering, but it's not quite what I had in mind, I hope you don't mind if I exchange it for something else".

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:06:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Astenion on 27/05/2011 15:08:23
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
Originally by: Akita T
When you're trying to be polite, you're trying to NOT say what you want to say, but something the other party would rather prefer to hear.

That's called being diplomatic, although there is some overlap with being polite. Politeness is not necessarily even close to dishonesty.

No, being diplomatic is saying what you want to say in a way that will offend the other party the least.


Akita wins again! One internet for Akita!

My honest opinion about this boils down to the fact that the English have extremely thick skin, almost too thick. It's really nearly impossible to offend them overtly.

Lubna Xerox
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:10:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Akita T
No, being diplomatic is saying what you want to say in a way that will offend the other party the least.

This^

If someone can translate better than I would do:

Je parle espagnol Ó Dieu, italien aux femmes,
franšais aux hommes et allemand Ó mon cheval.
[Charles Quint]

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:12:00 - [19]
 

I prefer to talk rather directly to make my point clear, or understand what the opininion of the one I talk to is.

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:18:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Astenion
That depends on what you consider polite and what you consider diplomatic. You can still get your point across honestly in a polite way...that would be considered being diplomatic. [...] Being diplomatic would be to let someone know you aren't fond of something but in a polite way.


I mostly agree, that's why I phrased it as "not necessarily ~ dishonest".
When asking for something you can be anywhere between polite and rude, and I see no dishonesty in being polite there.
Lying to not insult someone can be viewed as politeness or diplomacy, with a mix of dishonesty, depending on context/degree.

Caldari Citizen20090217
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:34:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Lubna Xerox
If someone can translate better than I would do:

Je parle espagnol Ó Dieu, italien aux femmes,
franšais aux hommes et allemand Ó mon cheval.
[Charles Quint]


"I speak Spanish to God, Italian to women, French to men and German to my horse."

I too have played Medieval II Total war. YARRRR!!

Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:35:00 - [22]
 

"You're all tosspots who wouldn't know politeness if it punched you in the face."

Is that rude, polite or British?

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:51:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
"You're all tosspots who wouldn't know politeness if it punched you in the face."

Is that rude, polite or British?


Definitely British.

Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:54:00 - [24]
 

What no French or Italian option?

Whats more rude than foul body odor in public or someone invading your personal space...or attempting to **** you.

Also who has the worse insults? I'd say the brits they use the hell out of ****. Even sailors everywhere else cringe at it.

Iva Posavec
Takhar Matari Militia
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:59:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Blacksquirrel
What no French or Italian option?

Also who has the worse insults? I'd say the Brits they use the hell out of ****. Even sailors everywhere else cringe at it.


I think there are plenty of Brits who still cringe when someone uses that word, although I hear it more and more nowadays.

Ze Germanz are the rudest though, us Brits go for a leisurely holiday in the sun and the Germans steal all of the sun loungers. Evil or Very Mad


Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.05.27 16:00:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Astenion


Definitely British.


See, that's something I'd never say to my worst enemy.. except as an example.

Iasius
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.05.27 16:06:00 - [27]
 

As long as hollywood carries on casting British actors as baddies it is all good ugh

Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.05.27 16:09:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Iasius
As long as hollywood carries on casting British actors as baddies it is all good ugh


Is House a bad guy or a good guy?

Iasius
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.05.27 16:12:00 - [29]
 

I have not watched House yet. I will put it on my movie rental list.

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.05.27 17:35:00 - [30]
 

But in the series House he's an American. SmileSmileSmile



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