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Astroka
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:20:00 - [1]
 

The new turret models and animations look absolutely incredible. I'm excited to see these in-game and just watch them shoot forever. 'Cause they're that cool.

However, I am a little put off by the fact that the new laser turrets show recoil when they fire. It's obviously not game-breaking and I'll live, but it is honestly a little off-putting. I suppose it would be a lot less visually appealing for them not to show recoil when all the other ones do, but I looked at it and immediately thought, wtf? It's not a big deal, but in this case I prefer realism over aesthetics. It just looks weird.

Let the trolling commence. And if there is already a thread on this, my apologies. I didn't find it.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:22:00 - [2]
 

just don't reply guys

Astroka
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:25:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
just don't reply guys

Sorry if this thread isn't up to your standards. There are so many more worthwhile threads...like the 250 on AFK cloaking, or the 7 threads on Chinese RMT prisoners.

Slajov Zizek
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:27:00 - [4]
 

Maybe the energy required to focus a beam across kilometers can kick it back? Ion propulsion works this way.

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:28:00 - [5]
 

I agree with OP, laser turrets shouldn't have any recoil simply because they shouldn't. I guess common sense isn't a requirement when CCP hires people.

Astroka
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:30:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Astroka on 26/05/2011 21:31:22
Originally by: Slajov Zizek
Maybe the energy required to focus a beam across kilometers can kick it back? Ion propulsion works this way.

Interesting theory, it would explain that. Of course, I'm sure CCP can explain it - they can explain anything, using real physics if it works or made-up science if real physics don't support it.

EDIT: Maybe it could be a way to vent excess heat?

Shiera Kuni
Repurposed Armaments
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:31:00 - [7]
 

Actually, if you think about it any magnetic delivery system *I.E. Railguns* wouldn't have recoil either. There are no moving parts save for the ammunition.

nb4flame: I've actually been working on several railgun designs in the past couple of months.

Warzon3
Perkone
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:33:00 - [8]
 

lasers recoil because when they fire they get shot at with a gun by a minmatar slave.
When the crystal gets hit small chips of crystal break off and emit a large beam of light (killing the slave but who the **** cares about slaves?)
This is also the very same reason T2 crystals break.
Now I hear you say but why don't T1 crystals break? well I'll explain that to you.
T1 laser crystals are special (just like me I'm special to) Whenever the slave dies the crystal soaks up his flesh and bones and regenerates the chips the slave just shot off.

Now for a beam laser they just use a sniper rifle (long range)
for pulse lasers they use a sub machine gun (not so long range but fast fire)

so yeah that's why they have a recoil.

Astroka
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:33:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Shiera Kuni
Actually, if you think about it any magnetic delivery system *I.E. Railguns* wouldn't have recoil either. There are no moving parts save for the ammunition.

nb4flame: I've actually been working on several railgun designs in the past couple of months.

I hadn't thought about that and I spent a few months being obsessed with railguns and their design.

In theory, only projectile turrets should have recoil, which I guess would make for rather boring animations on the other two major categories.

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:34:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Shiera Kuni
Actually, if you think about it any magnetic delivery system *I.E. Railguns* wouldn't have recoil either. There are no moving parts save for the ammunition.

nb4flame: I've actually been working on several railgun designs in the past couple of months.


CCP please remove unneeded recoil because it looks stupid and it makes you look even stupider.

Riddick Liddell
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:34:00 - [11]
 

They are recoiling at the 95% EM/ Therm resists

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:37:00 - [12]
 

Im fairly certain railguns would have recoil. They impart directed kinetic energy you would get an opposite direction force.

But ya its silly to have lasers with noticeable recoil.

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:38:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Calathea Sata on 26/05/2011 21:38:28
Originally by: Ghoest
Im fairly certain railguns would have recoil. They impart directed kinetic energy you would get an opposite direction force.
Hahahahahahaha.

Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:39:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Christopher AET on 27/05/2011 18:57:13
Edit for now having seen incarna login. Great justice!

Astroka
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:40:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Christopher AET
Or possibly that on the fanfest video the only turrets ready to be shown were projectile turrets and blasters. Just because they were strapped to an amarr ship does not mean they were lasers.

Lasers with recoil.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:45:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Shiera Kuni
Actually, if you think about it any magnetic delivery system *I.E. Railguns* wouldn't have recoil either. There are no moving parts save for the ammunition.

nb4flame: I've actually been working on several railgun designs in the past couple of months.


For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. a Railgun accelerates a projectile by applying electromagnetic force to it. There MUST be an equal and opposite reaction force, you can't escape that. Therefore, Railguns experience recoil. Anybody who claims otherwise is an idiot.

if the gun experiences recoil, then it might have a mechanism for compensating for that recoil - say, compressed-gas shock absorbers, with the barrel and loading mechanism being free-floating and able to recoil into the gas, which translates kinetic energy into heat by compressing and heating up in accordance with Boyle's Law.

Just because the railguns YOU claim to have been involved in designing don't have moving parts to handle recoil does not mean that future railguns won't need or use them.

Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:48:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Astroka

EDIT: Maybe it could be a way to vent excess heat?


Possible, but we don't see any gas being vented.

If anything lasers should be recoiling backwards as a means of heat dissipation.
IE the barrel should EXTEND while firing.

Suppose we put gas in the barrel. Expansion causes vaporization, immediately cooling the contents of the barrel, while the longer barrel aids in radiative cooling of the entire system.

Cunane Jeran
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:51:00 - [18]
 

Does it matter? It looks cool, surely thats reason enough to do anything in a game.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:52:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Culmen
Possible, but we don't see any gas being vented.

If anything lasers should be recoiling backwards as a means of heat dissipation.
IE the barrel should EXTEND while firing.

Suppose we put gas in the barrel. Expansion causes vaporization, immediately cooling the contents of the barrel, while the longer barrel aids in radiative cooling of the entire system.


Not if it's recoiling into a coolant sleeve maybe? although that would beg the question of why not just permanently sleeve the barrel and pump coolant through, rather than having the...

...okay, no. Having a laser recoil is just a triumph of "rule of cool" over reality.

and I'm okay with that, tbh.

Mister Smithington
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:53:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Mister Smithington on 26/05/2011 21:55:37
Originally by: Astroka
Originally by: Christopher AET
Or possibly that on the fanfest video the only turrets ready to be shown were projectile turrets and blasters. Just because they were strapped to an amarr ship does not mean they were lasers.

Lasers with recoil.


Oh man, now that I've seen that I don't even care if it makes sense. That is awesome.

Also, the new maller is amazing. I'm gonna have to fly my Sac a lot more once that model goes live.

Edit: Obviously the sac, and not the maller, since the maller is ****. I wonder why they chose to remodel a hull that nobody flies. Unless they intend to revamp it stat-wise as well?

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.26 21:54:00 - [21]
 

Then I guess this topic should be given the same fate as the ones about the appearent viscosity in space.

Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2011.05.26 22:04:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Mister Smithington

Edit: Obviously the sac, and not the maller, since the maller is ****. I wonder why they chose to remodel a hull that nobody flies. Unless they intend to revamp it stat-wise as well?


Screw the SAC, the Devoter, people actually fly that one!

I'm sick of how with max guns fitted, it's gun configuration still looks lopsided.
Also, while the maller model is tolerable, the Moa model is hideous, but the fact is, that none of the variants are useful to anybody. so that's probably why it never got fixed.

PS: Fix the Nightmare model, seriously, you release an expansion centered around Sanshas and then bork the guns models on the big battleship. I'm sick of seeing only 3 guns, I want to see the 4 of them.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.05.26 22:06:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Calathea Sata
Edited by: Calathea Sata on 26/05/2011 21:38:28
Originally by: Ghoest
Im fairly certain railguns would have recoil. They impart directed kinetic energy you would get an opposite direction force.
Hahahahahahaha.


Were you laughing at yourself or at me or the OP(whom you had agreed with)?

Sig Sour
Posted - 2011.05.26 22:07:00 - [24]
 

Maybe this is a video game and stuff should just look cool... yes that's it iirc.

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.26 22:08:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Calathea Sata
Edited by: Calathea Sata on 26/05/2011 21:38:28
Originally by: Ghoest
Im fairly certain railguns would have recoil. They impart directed kinetic energy you would get an opposite direction force.
Hahahahahahaha.


Were you laughing at yourself or at me or the OP(whom you had agreed with)?
Sorry, I just laughed.

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.05.26 22:10:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Astroka
Originally by: Christopher AET
Or possibly that on the fanfest video the only turrets ready to be shown were projectile turrets and blasters. Just because they were strapped to an amarr ship does not mean they were lasers.

Lasers with recoil.

Are you sure the guns are actually recoiling?

looks like a flare from the beam itself that fades to me

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.05.27 04:17:00 - [27]
 

Laser turrets use pietzoelectric capacitors. So when the laser fires, hydraulics squish together the capacitor, which releases the energy spike required to generate the high powered laser burst. It just looks like recoil, but it isn't.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.05.27 04:30:00 - [28]
 

Well… lasers do have recoil.
It shouldn't be quiiite as pronounced as in the videos, but still…

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2011.05.27 04:31:00 - [29]
 

Are you sure there is recoil in the video? The only thing I see is a flash of light, but the turrets don't seem to move in any way. Now it might just be so subtle that I can't see it, but in the CCP's new turret video the whole gun clearly moves when it shows some turrets shooting and with others there is no recoil to be seen. I know it's a WIP, so some animations might be missing, but when it happens the recoil is obvious in that video, so it's not a huge strech of the imagination to assume it should be obvious in the new login screen, if the turrets actually had any recoil.

Hecatonis
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.27 04:38:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: lore made up on the spot
laser based weapons do not have recoil per say, when firing 2 sets of focusing crystals are moved into position for optimal focus for the target at the range.

Between firing cycles the two crystals are moved away for each other to increase the surface area and bleed away the excessive heat produce when firing laser based weapons.


there ya go, an excuse for why laser have recoil. pulled right from my butt just for the eve community.


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