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Ghurthe
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:10:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Minsc


You spent $800 on a computer and can barely run the game, what are you running on integrated graphics? Did you buy a pre-built system or buy parts and have it custom built? What are you specs on the system? Did you ask someone who actually knows about computer hardware what to buy before going out to buy a new system. If you spent $800 on a new system and are having trouble running EVE I'd have to wonder how you managed to do that, cause I could literally go out today and buy a bunch of random parts and not manage to build a system that has trouble running EVE at full graphics.

Seriously post your specs so we can see where your problem is.


Not at it right now so can't quote the graphics processing power of the machine. 8 Gb of Ram and 3.2 GhZ i5 processor. I did get it pre-built because I didn't want to have to **** around with putting it together. Mostly because I don't have the experience already and don't have people I trust to show me what to do.

It has no trouble playing eve. In fact it runs 5 clients with little to no lag. But that's because you can turn down the graphics settings to super low.

But now Incarna FORCES graphics settings higher. So while yes, had I known Incarna would not be an optional element of Eve I would have bought a better graphics card for my computer, as it stands, there's no hope of running 5 clients of incarna on the lowest settings for my PC.

Ghurthe
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:18:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Forest Hill
I don't like Incursions! I want them made optional!
I don't like bubbles, they cost me time, and time is ISK so I want them made optional!
I don't like >insert personal pet peeve<, I want it to be made optional!

Srsly, I don't think this is something that should be done. Next time CCP is introducing something new, everyone & his dog will demand it be made optional, because it infringes on *their* vision of New Eden.

I understand the worries about hardware and graphics demands - my 2008 Acer laptop may also have a hard time with Incarna - but I won't pass judgment on that until I've seen the final product, which Duality should not be representative of.. Neutral


Incursions ARE optional, don't go into one.

Bubbles ARE optional, don't go into 0.0

Pet peeves... idk.

But docking in stations is NOT optional. So at the very least CCP needs to make Incarna not a system raping expansion *can't do worse than deleting a boot.ini file* OR failing that, make walking in stations a choice so that if we just want to chat with our agent and peace out it doesn't take 5 minutes.

ceaon
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:24:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: CCP Guard
Originally by: Ghurthe
Booo, this change will force me to leave eve online or live out of a starbase as docking will taking me AGES to load. Even with all the graphics on low on Duality it takes nearly 5 minutes to load the quarters. Nevermind running 4 accounts like I usually do.


Loading times on Duality are not at all representative of the finished product as we've stated before. Duality has been running a very early test version and we've done very little optimization yet.

i still dont want to load that crap and i dont even want to have that on my HDD y hope some one will me a script to purge all incarna crap files

Abaidaa
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:24:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Abaidaa on 25/05/2011 18:38:09
Originally by: Ghurthe
Originally by: Minsc


You spent $800 on a computer and can barely run the game, what are you running on integrated graphics? Did you buy a pre-built system or buy parts and have it custom built? What are you specs on the system? Did you ask someone who actually knows about computer hardware what to buy before going out to buy a new system. If you spent $800 on a new system and are having trouble running EVE I'd have to wonder how you managed to do that, cause I could literally go out today and buy a bunch of random parts and not manage to build a system that has trouble running EVE at full graphics.

Seriously post your specs so we can see where your problem is.


Not at it right now so can't quote the graphics processing power of the machine. 8 Gb of Ram and 3.2 GhZ i5 processor. I did get it pre-built because I didn't want to have to **** around with putting it together. Mostly because I don't have the experience already and don't have people I trust to show me what to do.

It has no trouble playing eve. In fact it runs 5 clients with little to no lag. But that's because you can turn down the graphics settings to super low.

But now Incarna FORCES graphics settings higher. So while yes, had I known Incarna would not be an optional element of Eve I would have bought a better graphics card for my computer, as it stands, there's no hope of running 5 clients of incarna on the lowest settings for my PC.

Not sure if running 5 clients at once, was meant to be an optional element. Nobody FORCES you to do that.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:25:00 - [125]
 

Edited by: Apollo Gabriel on 25/05/2011 18:32:46
Absolutely fantastic!

Thank you CCP!

In about a year, there will be people claiming to have NEVER been against incarna, try to be polite to them, as they are unable to admit they were wrong.

Minsc
Gallente
Alpha Empire
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:27:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Ghurthe
Originally by: Minsc


You spent $800 on a computer and can barely run the game, what are you running on integrated graphics? Did you buy a pre-built system or buy parts and have it custom built? What are you specs on the system? Did you ask someone who actually knows about computer hardware what to buy before going out to buy a new system. If you spent $800 on a new system and are having trouble running EVE I'd have to wonder how you managed to do that, cause I could literally go out today and buy a bunch of random parts and not manage to build a system that has trouble running EVE at full graphics.

Seriously post your specs so we can see where your problem is.


Not at it right now so can't quote the graphics processing power of the machine. 8 Gb of Ram and 3.2 GhZ i5 processor. I did get it pre-built because I didn't want to have to **** around with putting it together. Mostly because I don't have the experience already and don't have people I trust to show me what to do.

It has no trouble playing eve. In fact it runs 5 clients with little to no lag. But that's because you can turn down the graphics settings to super low.

But now Incarna FORCES graphics settings higher. So while yes, had I known Incarna would not be an optional element of Eve I would have bought a better graphics card for my computer, as it stands, there's no hope of running 5 clients of incarna on the lowest settings for my PC.


If you're #1 reason for having the computer is gaming then graphics capabilities should be at the top of your priority list when building it, and I'm not talking about for immediate capabilities I'm talking about system longevity. If you buy a low end graphics card even in the same series as a higher end card (f. ex let's consider the 200 series nvidia cards like mine). My card is a gtx285, in the same series is the gtx250 and gtx260 and maybe a gtx240. While these cards are part of the 200 series their performance is DRASTICALLY lower and I mean that. If you want to see some comparison just google gpu benchmark articles and you can see the difference.

From what I can see even without knowing what gpu you have I can see a bunch of stuff that you could have changed in order to have money to shift to improving the gpu. First of all 8GB of ram is not really necessary yet, and of all the components to upgrade later is the easiest, next is the CPU, you could have easily gotten a 3.00 GHZ or 2.8 Ghz i5 and shaved some cash of while having a minimal effect on overall system performance. What you have to realize is that to get the best system performance you have to build a balanced system and right now your GPU is a serious bottleneck. You say that you can run 5 clients with minimal lag if your turn everything to minimum, but if you had gotten a slightly better gpu you would likely be able to run all 5 on medium or high settings with the same effect.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:27:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Sellador
Man how many pathetic old fashioned afraid of something new people around here. Please, if you don't understand what EvE was planned to be since the beginning, please leave now with your whining, install windows 95 if you don't like progress and evolution and give place for new players. I bet we'll be happy with new players who enjoy deeper and more enjoyable EvE that CCP continues to create and build on top with each and every expansion than listen to your whining 'please don't change the 2003 gameplay'!


The EVE forums are full--absolutely full--of people who are afraid of change.

Minsc
Gallente
Alpha Empire
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:29:00 - [128]
 

Edited by: Minsc on 25/05/2011 18:41:45
Originally by: Abaidaa
Originally by: Ghurthe
Originally by: Minsc


You spent $800 on a computer and can barely run the game, what are you running on integrated graphics? Did you buy a pre-built system or buy parts and have it custom built? What are you specs on the system? Did you ask someone who actually knows about computer hardware what to buy before going out to buy a new system. If you spent $800 on a new system and are having trouble running EVE I'd have to wonder how you managed to do that, cause I could literally go out today and buy a bunch of random parts and not manage to build a system that has trouble running EVE at full graphics.

Seriously post your specs so we can see where your problem is.


Not at it right now so can't quote the graphics processing power of the machine. 8 Gb of Ram and 3.2 GhZ i5 processor. I did get it pre-built because I didn't want to have to **** around with putting it together. Mostly because I don't have the experience already and don't have people I trust to show me what to do.

It has no trouble playing eve. In fact it runs 5 clients with little to no lag. But that's because you can turn down the graphics settings to super low.

But now Incarna FORCES graphics settings higher. So while yes, had I known Incarna would not be an optional element of Eve I would have bought a better graphics card for my computer, as it stands, there's no hope of running 5 clients of incarna on the lowest settings for my PC.

Not sure that running 5 clients at once, was meant to be an optional element. Nobofy FORCES you to do that.


That point is irrelevant anyways since CCP changed the game client to share resources between multiple instances of the client unless all 5 characters are docked in different races stations the memory footprint increase would be minimal.

Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:31:00 - [129]
 

The ships are still way too far away. Bring them closer! How many times do I need to post this?

Ambulation Demo

Ghurthe
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:40:00 - [130]
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7R6AxoO8yY&NR=1

What happened to just having a button to get out of your ship?

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:48:00 - [131]
 

Its looking extremely nice, but I dont think we can really judge the impact of Incarna until we can begin to socialise in that context. Promising work though - like being dipped in molten EVE Very Happy

C.

etronics
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:48:00 - [132]
 

hmm, so this COULD be incarna with captians q...well..how do i say that??!! L A M E !!!
I play eve now for over 1 year with two chars and did nearly everything posible in highsec, cause i love playing the game with my mates THAT way..more equals the old game called ELITE. It had a simple interface and was good. Running around on station to get my jobs at the hangar done is nothing that really rocks. Whats wrong CCP? Didnt you got some better ideas than that? Allmost half of the "highsec"-Corp got bored and thought about leaving eve for ever (btw, the over half did now). Incursion was nice and i or we joined some fights, lost some good ships there (raven, drakes, mackinaws,etc) = allso carebears need some action from time to time Very Happy. How about kick some a. with double or multi monitor interfaces, custom-made views or statistics about movements and markets, bring up the tradingfun. You where so concentrading on PVP that you allmost forget the other player who have another view at eve (miner, missionrunner) and by that lost some with seeting down LPs, bounty,etc. See, thats why i called it LAME at the beginning = nothing new just cosmetics, seen that all before.

Enakaji
Minmatar
Righteous Lunatics
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:49:00 - [133]
 

Edited by: Enakaji on 25/05/2011 18:52:22
Originally by: Minsc
Originally by: Ghurthe


My $800 dollar computer from this year can barely pull 20 FPS on the lowest settings... So really going with an unfounded claim here.

I expect CCP to do what was stated in the past, make walking in stations OPTIONAL.


You spent $800 on a computer and can barely run the game, what are you running on integrated graphics? Did you buy a pre-built system or buy parts and have it custom built? What are you specs on the system? Did you ask someone who actually knows about computer hardware what to buy before going out to buy a new system. If you spent $800 on a new system and are having trouble running EVE I'd have to wonder how you managed to do that, cause I could literally go out today and buy a bunch of random parts and not manage to build a system that has trouble running EVE at full graphics.

Seriously post your specs so we can see where your problem is.


I was wondering the same. I'm running on a PC that I bought around 3 years ago (cost me around 600 € back then, had a Phenom 1 X4 9950, 4 gig ram, MSI Mobo with the AM2+ Chipset, 300 Gig HDD and came with a low budget ATI card and Vista) and on which i upgraded the graphicscard about 2 years ago(Geforce GTX 260, around 200€) and I highly doubt that I will have trouble running Incarnia. I'm running eve on 1680x1050 with max details, 8xAA and 8XAF and I have an avareage of 70-80 FPS. So if He really recently spend 800 bucks on a PC that is running eve at such a low framerate I think he's been ripped off.

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:54:00 - [134]
 

Edited by: Nishachara on 25/05/2011 18:55:13
I am also a little bit concerned about performance of CQ when in a hurry to change ship or refit...

But as i learned in wh life...NOTHING can be more slower than ship maintenance array opening when you are in a hurry to change ship :P

And as for CQ...ill see it... eventually, probably... when i exit to k-space...someday...

Shiganaru
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:54:00 - [135]
 

I have an ATI Radeon HD 4850 1GB that I bought about a year ago for $40 US. It should be really easy to get even a better card for about the same price now.

I'm personally looking forward to Incarna. I always thought of how cool it would be to be able to fly spaceships, land on planets, and explore those planets and other things like that, but only CCP has attempted to make such a game, which is truly innovative.

However, I agree that this will be a tough change for many, and I do agree that actually getting out of the pod should be optional. Are we seriously going to drain the fluid in our pods, get fully dressed, and take a shuttle to the gantry, just to unload some ore or loot from our cargoholds?

It would be my suggestion, that we get a "Passive Dock" option. Think of this as driving up to a gas station and getting an attendant to fill up the tank. We are docking the ship, to either quickly switch fittings, unload the cargo, or resupply ammo; however, in order to interact with agents, upgrade clones, switch ships, etc, we have to do the full docking process.

Maybe I write this up in the suggestions forum, but anyway.

As the for comment about needing to upgrade the in-space UI, they are already working on it. If you look at the test server, they are testing the branch "RIGHTHANDED-CARBONUI", which is apparently a new UI framework, so after they finish getting that in place, I imagine they will start making UI changes.

In the meantime, everybody just chill. Give it until July 21st before you decide to leave Eve, give Incarna an honest shot.

Kai Lomu
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:04:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Mynxee
I see a lot of progress in the details shown in that video. Looks interesting.

Question: I assume the Incarna release will require a significant download to update the client. How soon will a boxed version with Incarna be available? Some of us have the worst imaginable internet with comparatively low bandwidth allowances; installing from a disc would be preferable.



Absolutely agree! Or even better - next CCP giveaway, rather than a ship with little use other than eye candy, all subscribers get a disc sent to home address with incarna client to install from *dreams*

Galega Ori
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:07:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Lothros Andastar
Edited by: Lothros Andastar on 25/05/2011 14:22:07
Originally by: CCP Guard
Originally by: Ghurthe
Booo, this change will force me to leave eve online or live out of a starbase as docking will taking me AGES to load. Even with all the graphics on low on Duality it takes nearly 5 minutes to load the quarters. Nevermind running 4 accounts like I usually do.


Loading times on Duality are not at all representative of the finished product as we've stated before. Duality has been running a very early test version and we've done very little optimization yet.
You could have it load in minus 7 seconds, that won't matter. If I am FORCED to play Sims in Space when I paid to play Spaceships in Space, I will simply quit Eve as will the vast majority of players. CCP is either too stupid or drunk to see this. Evil or Very Mad

tl;dr We don't want WoW in space, stop trying to force it on us.


In that case, can I have your stuffz Laughing

DesertFox1940
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:16:00 - [138]
 

Does anyone on the Internet ever know how to NOT *****...

etronics
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:19:00 - [139]
 

haha! its only that to much of us are docked all the time on station! They want us in space! Very Happy
After that, no one like to dock anymore....oh, i forgot to chill, like Shiganaru wants us to do and i did for over half a year now waiting for something awesome new will happen Wink

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:25:00 - [140]
 

So… four weeks to go.

And so far we have not been able to test the client under OSX.

The last time you did this, it cause some severe issues when it was released, and part of the game was nigh-on unplayable until it was fixed. You could still enjoy EVE if you just avoided those areas and/or disabled some stuff in the settings.

The problem is that, in this case, the "part of the game" is unavoidable. There is no setting to disable it. Unless you intend to discontinue the Mac client, you really need to get a test version out pronto. And if you are going to discontinue it, you need to say this equally pronto. Last-week-testing (which in all previous cases has actually been last-week-showcasing and completely-ignore-testing-feedback) will not cut it with this kind of fundamental change of the game.

So when are we OSX users going to be able to test Incarna?

Ghurthe
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:28:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Shiganaru
I have an ATI Radeon HD 4850 1GB that I bought about a year ago for $40 US. It should be really easy to get even a better card for about the same price now.

I'm personally looking forward to Incarna. I always thought of how cool it would be to be able to fly spaceships, land on planets, and explore those planets and other things like that, but only CCP has attempted to make such a game, which is truly innovative.

However, I agree that this will be a tough change for many, and I do agree that actually getting out of the pod should be optional. Are we seriously going to drain the fluid in our pods, get fully dressed, and take a shuttle to the gantry, just to unload some ore or loot from our cargoholds?

It would be my suggestion, that we get a "Passive Dock" option. Think of this as driving up to a gas station and getting an attendant to fill up the tank. We are docking the ship, to either quickly switch fittings, unload the cargo, or resupply ammo; however, in order to interact with agents, upgrade clones, switch ships, etc, we have to do the full docking process.

Maybe I write this up in the suggestions forum, but anyway.

As the for comment about needing to upgrade the in-space UI, they are already working on it. If you look at the test server, they are testing the branch "RIGHTHANDED-CARBONUI", which is apparently a new UI framework, so after they finish getting that in place, I imagine they will start making UI changes.

In the meantime, everybody just chill. Give it until July 21st before you decide to leave Eve, give Incarna an honest shot.


I like Incarna so far, at least what I've seen of it. It'd need quite a bit more meat before I even care about walking around in a station for more than 5 minutes every season just to be reminded that I can.

They really need to make shops where you can sell goods or something worth attracting players outside their pods before making it a mandatory element of eve.

As it stands, meat spinning is all we can do in station... and I don't want that.

snafu37
Caldari
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:29:00 - [142]
 

I've been waiting on this for a long, long time. Thank you CCP :)

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:30:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: h4kun4
I hope I can disable this, my laptops GPU is still using shader model 2, so i cant open the character creation, i have to do it on friends computers. When I have no chioce using the captains quarter i cant play eve or what?
Im working on a new pc but this will take time^^ hope you make a little time for us with old graphic cards of maybe a half year that people can get new pcs or graphics cards, but this one really looks nice...


Technically Shader Model 2.0 is not supported by the EVE Client so this is where your issues are coming from Crying or Very sad. It was discontinued in April and announced in this dev blog.

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:33:00 - [144]
 

I have been testing CQ on duality and I like it... with reservations.
(for those complaining ships are too small read the previous dev-blog, that change is in the NEXT patch, if its still not to your liking whine then)

But I want it [CQ] to be optional. I don't want to enter CQ every time I dock.
It doesn't make sense to me.
This is partly from an immersion/role-play perspective, and partly from a speed/loading time perspective, but also I like the hanger as it is and the view of my ship it gives (that said if a new funky hi-res hanger was in the offing then I wouldn't say no).

ATM the new 3d UI basically loads up the old UI windows, and will for the foreseeable future. Thus CQ will all be buried under a mass of windows.
Until CQ, and ambulation have a unique purpose then I will not use them in game, I will use the old UI. I won't be able to see the new station environment under the old UI. So why waste time loading it at all?

Also to those saying HTFU this was always planned get over it... Yes they always planned to add avatars and WIS, but they are Taking something away to give it to us... our current hangers, and the choice as to whether we stay in our ships or not.
I like the new stuff, I want the new stuff, I also want to keep the old stuff.

I want ambulation to be a success and want to use it (when it has a purpose) but I also want to chose when I use it.
I think you (CCP) have made a major error in making CQ compulsory on docking.
I have said this before, and will keep saying it till you change this.

Also when CQ breaks on launch, if its optional, we will all still be able to dock without worrying about loading CQ and crashing.

Gently prodding till you get it right

Soden Rah

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:43:00 - [145]
 

WTB sci fi MMO about

Internet
****ing
Spaceships

Hesperius
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:45:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
WTB sci fi MMO about

Internet
****ing
Spaceships

Sad

Remember last night, when we were looking for a fight for 6 hours, and the night before, and the night before, etc... Incarna will cure that by drawing in more PVP oriented players.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:47:00 - [147]
 

Been looking forward to this since I resubbed in 2006. \o/

LordElfa
Gallente
Golden Lyon Warriors
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:51:00 - [148]
 

As someone who's been using Duality for awhile now, I can only say that you guys must be at least 6-8 months ahead on your internal build compared to what you have on Duality, especially if you intend on a June release.

Salomei
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:59:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Hesperius
Remember last night, when we were looking for a fight for 6 hours, and the night before, and the night before, etc... Incarna will cure that by drawing in more PVP oriented players.

EVE Online: Now with less "Adapt or Die"! Confused

Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
Tragedy.
Posted - 2011.05.25 20:01:00 - [150]
 

Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi on 25/05/2011 20:08:51
Originally by: Lothros Andastar
Edited by: Lothros Andastar on 25/05/2011 14:22:07
Originally by: CCP Guard
Originally by: Ghurthe
Booo, this change will force me to leave eve online or live out of a starbase as docking will taking me AGES to load. Even with all the graphics on low on Duality it takes nearly 5 minutes to load the quarters. Nevermind running 4 accounts like I usually do.


Loading times on Duality are not at all representative of the finished product as we've stated before. Duality has been running a very early test version and we've done very little optimization yet.
You could have it load in minus 7 seconds, that won't matter. If I am FORCED to play Sims in Space when I paid to play Spaceships in Space, I will simply quit Eve as will the vast majority of players. CCP is either too stupid or drunk to see this. Evil or Very Mad

tl;dr We don't want WoW in space, stop trying to force it on us.


You are not the "vast majority" of players. The "vast majority" of players actually welcome this change. Most of the players who don't want it will adapt. If you don't like it...GTFO and I hope the door hits you on the way out.

I don't see any reason however for CQ to NOT be optional. Right now there is a button to click on to access character creation in each station. Just leave the current hangars as they are and change that button to load CQ instead. Problem solved. Revamp the hangar interiors however to reflect accurately what you see in CQ so you don't see two different hangars. Now...was that so hard?

Either way...do it or not...won't bother me one bit.


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