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Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
Posted - 2011.05.25 16:30:00 - [91]
 

I started playing Eve years ago with the hope that this would eventually happen! Smile

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.05.25 16:32:00 - [92]
 

awesomesauce

Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2011.05.25 16:37:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Belenos Stardust
Finally, what are we getting on June 21; JUST Minmatar stations, or all four races' CQs?

I'm betting it will only be Minnie quarters. All the other races will be "shocked to see the Minmatars allow those heinous capsuleers to leave their ships and rush to provide similar functionality, which should be available within :18months': time."

Calling it now.

Nanshara
Posted - 2011.05.25 16:39:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Nanshara on 25/05/2011 16:41:07
Can't wait for this. CCP have been promising this since I started and will finally deliver.

To the whiners - Live in WH or a POS if your system cant handle it or even better quit and let EVE progress to the game it always meant to be. ugh

mkint
Posted - 2011.05.25 16:41:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: CCP Guard
Originally by: Ghurthe
Booo, this change will force me to leave eve online or live out of a starbase as docking will taking me AGES to load. Even with all the graphics on low on Duality it takes nearly 5 minutes to load the quarters. Nevermind running 4 accounts like I usually do.


Loading times on Duality are not at all representative of the finished product as we've stated before. Duality has been running a very early test version and we've done very little optimization yet.


A little kindergarten level math for you...

Something. Is more than. Nothing.

Something. Will take longer to load than. Nothing.

Incarna. Will run like. ****.

Any claims otherwise are flat out lies. Only the stupidest of stupids can believe otherwise.

Ghurthe
Posted - 2011.05.25 16:50:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Nanshara
Edited by: Nanshara on 25/05/2011 16:41:07
Can't wait for this. CCP have been promising this since I started and will finally deliver.

To the whiners - Live in WH or a POS if your system cant handle it or even better quit and let EVE progress to the game it always meant to be. ugh


I really like the idea of incarna. As long as it's optional. I LOVE the concept of setting up shops and interacting with stuff through pretty interfaces when i want a break from eve.

But when I'm trying to dock, grab a combat ship, and undock for some pvp that extra few seconds of load time could make the difference.

I thought CCP was in a war against lag, not supplying lag with new weapons.

Avraham Avinu
Children of Noah
Posted - 2011.05.25 16:56:00 - [97]
 

Looks good over-all. I'm glad CCP scrapped their old Incarna ideas and are taking a more iterative approach. I can't wait to run my own bar and sell drugs!

The commodities strewn about the CQ need a darker feel. Children's protein puff cereal doesn't go with my avatar that looks like he's going to beat your face in.

Gizan
Hounds Of War
R-I-P
Posted - 2011.05.25 16:57:00 - [98]
 

Will the check box for "do not load station environment" work? can i not clutter my screen with stuff thats gonna overload the graphic card?

Is there an option to NOT use the walking in stations, or are we FORCED AGAINST OUR WILL to use it?

Utremi Fasolasi
Gallente
La Dolce Vita
Posted - 2011.05.25 16:58:00 - [99]
 

The writing in this devblog made my eyes all leaky. Epic wordsmithing.

Vampy Rella
Posted - 2011.05.25 16:58:00 - [100]
 

This is just great, I really like the concept. Definitely makes it more immersive. This is what I like about EVE it gets these constant stream of updates that makes it feel like a freshly released game instead of being a tired, 8 year old one.

Do you know how many MMOs disappeared after a few months/years and some (most recently FF 14) failed within days of going online? You can count the successful games on your fingertips and the really old ones that are still going have a dwindling player base. EVE is the energizer bunny of MMOs.

aKille's 10Don
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:01:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Gizan


Is there an option to NOT use the walking in stations, or are we FORCED AGAINST OUR WILL to use it?


Theres always an option: Incarna On/Off

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:01:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: CCP Guard
Originally by: Ghurthe
Booo, this change will force me to leave eve online or live out of a starbase as docking will taking me AGES to load. Even with all the graphics on low on Duality it takes nearly 5 minutes to load the quarters. Nevermind running 4 accounts like I usually do.


Loading times on Duality are not at all representative of the finished product as we've stated before. Duality has been running a very early test version and we've done very little optimization yet.


so eta on the polished version is what 5 years?

I want incarna I am excited for incarna, can't we just leave the current captain's quarters as a test server demo? a small room is by no means worthy of the title incarna. that and I would love an opt out option, I really like the current hanger and ship spinning.

afgncamp
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:02:00 - [103]
 

Amazing. Nice job to all you devs. This is something I've been reading in the forums for ages. Don't mind some of the old not wanting change.

I still have fond memories of Freelancer and Freespace, games that probably inspired you.

I do hope, that coming with these series, user interface gets some love as well. That's probably onde of the higher barriers to the game yet.

Keep it up!

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:03:00 - [104]
 

Happy to see the progress. Can't wait to finally have it live. And I hope that it doesn't get left in the dust like so many other new releases CCP has done over the years...keep iterating, keep improving.

Celesti Nightsong
Caldari
EVE University
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:12:00 - [105]
 

Just started playing Eve Online recently and this is a great change.

You want mining? Blowing up ships? Suicide ganking? -> It's all still there, CCP isn't taking any of it away.

As I see it CCP is building up the social aspect and I love that. Will help with immersion a lot.

**Also, very interesting that CCP has chosen to release the first part of Incarna on the Summer Solstice.

Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:16:00 - [106]
 

I wonder if they are still answering the questions in this thread?

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:25:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: CCP Guard
Originally by: Ghurthe

Loading times on Duality are not at all representative of the finished product as we've stated before. Duality has been running a very early test version and we've done very little optimization yet.

i don't get it, in that case why did you asked us about performance on the duality thread ?!

when will we get a new build then ?
it's unplyable for me, i need to know what i will be able to do on june...

Minsc
Gallente
Alpha Empire
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:30:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Ghurthe
Originally by: Minsc
Originally by: Ghurthe
Originally by: Ghurthe

I really don't think 'Please don't FORCE me to load your dress up dolls add on CCP' is an over-reaction. It's more of a constructive suggestion to help anyone who doesn't have a $1500 or more computer purchased in the past year to play eve without excessive lag on loading the 'worthless visual fluff' that incarna is.


What's good for the game is more interesting and engaging content. This is 'get out and watch TV in station'. Like I keep saying, this is detrimental to eve if CQ takes more system load than minimum in space system load. No reason to make it a compulsory 'feature' if it's more system intensive than space at all. Especially not when there's not added functionality to the station for not being in your ship.

Right now, All I want is to make sure that CCP keeps in mind that not everyone has the ability to run the full graphics clients well, that includes people who bought their computers recently.

Eve has always been one of the less system intensive MMOs on the market, and I hope this trend continues as it keeps the barrier of entry low allows more people to play, and overall enriches Eve online better than a 0 game mechanic version of 2nd life that uses Eve currency to create minor isk sinks.


First of all, you don't need a $1500 computer bought recently to get good performance in incarna. My $1000 or less computer from 2 years or so ago gets 60+ fps on duality at 1920x1280 res with 4x AA on stop trying to make that redicilous and unfounded argument.

Secondly what do you expect them to do when releasing Incarna otherwise? Release one big expansion with all of it in there and just make their customers power through the inevitable bugs and headaches that will come with that? The way they have chosen to release incarna IS the best way for them to do it because it will allow them to deal with a smaller number of issues at a time.


My $800 dollar computer from this year can barely pull 20 FPS on the lowest settings... So really going with an unfounded claim here.

I expect CCP to do what was stated in the past, make walking in stations OPTIONAL.


You spent $800 on a computer and can barely run the game, what are you running on integrated graphics? Did you buy a pre-built system or buy parts and have it custom built? What are you specs on the system? Did you ask someone who actually knows about computer hardware what to buy before going out to buy a new system. If you spent $800 on a new system and are having trouble running EVE I'd have to wonder how you managed to do that, cause I could literally go out today and buy a bunch of random parts and not manage to build a system that has trouble running EVE at full graphics.

Seriously post your specs so we can see where your problem is.

Sino Sarn
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:31:00 - [109]
 

nerf supers already ffs.

Lexxxii
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:36:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Lexxxii on 25/05/2011 17:37:27
The novelty will wear off in about 10 minutes, but I'm sure the WOW kids will love it.

For the love of God, give us the option to turn it off.

Thank you

Chruker
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:43:00 - [111]
 

+1 for the request to be able to NOT load the damn environment...

Needs more GTA IV feel (re: punching, weapons, cars, ability to go everywhere etc). Even flying my own jetpack from the balcony, a few times around the hangar, and then out through the station dock only to suffercate in the vacuum of space.

colera deldios
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:43:00 - [112]
 

Alot of poor people being bitter and dumb ITT.

Try getting a job?

Keep up the good work CCP.

Paukinra
Gallente
Hard Rock Mining Co.
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:44:00 - [113]
 

Until now IVe been about meh about this expansion but this has made me want it now!!!

Saying that though - I would rather you waited an extra week or 2 (or even a month if needed) to make sure it is READY before it goes onto TQ than rush it to meet the deadline. And I dont mean CCP level of finished I mean actually finished.

Although I cant wait to use this I would like to know do I just see my active ship or can I see other ships I own or other people's ships that are docked (finally a way of telling what that neut that's docked in our statoin is in!)


Denaris Aschanna
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:45:00 - [114]
 

Great Blog!

I'm REALLY looking forward to this, and have been ever since WiS/Ambulation was first hinted at.

I've played with CQ on Duality, and I'm quite pleased with how it's going. I can't wait for it to hit TQ and to go on from there Very Happy

For the record, my PC was built over 2 years ago, and runs the test CQ perfectly with minimal loading times. I can only imagine these will get even faster with optimization and running on the TQ hardware (which AFAIK is a lot faster than the hardware Sisi and Duality run on) so I'm not really sure why people are having the issues they are.

Good job CCP Very Happy

Raptor2022
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:55:00 - [115]
 

Please, please, please, please, please, please, please allow us the option to "climb" in to our ships and then be presented with the old station view so that we can do some good old station spinning!!!!!!

Forest Hill
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:58:00 - [116]
 

I don't like Incursions! I want them made optional!
I don't like bubbles, they cost me time, and time is ISK so I want them made optional!
I don't like >insert personal pet peeve<, I want it to be made optional!

Srsly, I don't think this is something that should be done. Next time CCP is introducing something new, everyone & his dog will demand it be made optional, because it infringes on *their* vision of New Eden.

I understand the worries about hardware and graphics demands - my 2008 Acer laptop may also have a hard time with Incarna - but I won't pass judgment on that until I've seen the final product, which Duality should not be representative of.. Neutral

Random Womble
Minmatar
Emo Rangers
Electric Monkey Overlords
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:01:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Random Womble on 25/05/2011 18:02:22
I am another that does not want to have to load into the avatar station view its a waste of resources and time even if its optimized it still wont be as fast as the old view and no doubt will still be a much bigger resource hog not something those of us with multiple accounts will appreciate.

I am fairly sure that at some stage it was stated way back that we would never be forced into WIS/Incarna if you did not want to and even if I do not have to use the ui in incrana its still forcing me into it in some ways (on a side note having briefly tested it and decided I could not care less if I did want to use it ever i would like the option of a first person view).

Plus where it really sucks is no ship spinning.

Give us an option to keep the old view and if you wanted to add a wow factor for the ship sizes you should have designed it so that switching between the current hanger view and incarna would have caused the camera to zoom in past the giant ships down onto the tiny person that is your avatar.

P.S. when do we get our capital jumping effects back its been long enough

Vult
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:04:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Half of this thread
Whine, complain, my box won't run Eve anymore, load times suck, can't afford new box, Eve is another WoW clone, etc.


/sigh

How many of you have actually tested Duality? Those of you that have tested it, yes, it sucks. It's also in an extreme beta phase.

Understand this: BETA IS NOT FINAL.

Understand this as well: BETA IS NOT FINAL.

Those of you who haven't tested it on Duality, either go test it, or stop passing judgement until it's finally released. Then, give me your stuff.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:04:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
When you dock your ship, your Captain's Quarters will replace the current hangar view

Just pointing out that this is a big mistake. You guys have been pretty insistent about the immersion-inducing nature of this EVE add-on, and this kind of space -> avatar transition is anything but immersive. There is absolutely no reason for the capsuleer to always leave the pod when docked when all the current tasks can be performed remotely from the pod.

It is especially sad to see this because all of the graphical assets required for the ship-spinning view are still in the CQ client, and the developer resources to keep this view in the game would be minimal. This feature does not even require any changes in the Incarna design.

So why not keep it? Making it optional will make a lot of your customers happy. Those who complain about performance, immersion, gameplay focus can opt out of auto-disembarking, while those that can't wait to walk can select to forgo the ship-spin view. A complete win for everyone.

And when you do actually add some content to Incarna, players will be compelled to exit their ships to experience it, even if that involves upgrading their computers.

^

Althus Treefingers
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:09:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Althus Treefingers on 25/05/2011 18:59:19
I don't get it. We're way deep into futuristic tech. Pretty full-blown trans/post-humanism is the norm (among capsuleers anyway). So when I see this, all I have is confusion and questions:

- I am essentially a mind in a pod, my body probably only needs to be physically transferred between ships because maintaining clones in each and soul-jumping between them is technically unfeasible (for whatever reason). WTF is my motivation for engaging people in person, avatar or real body? Even today in RL, we're embracing text and audio alternatives to personal contact, wouldn't a setting like EVE take that to the Nth degree (like the original interface already has)?

- If I could be ambushed and killed in a station somehow, then again, why would I ever leave my ship? No small arms fire getting through that armour. Remote interaction (as we have now) FTW.

- Is there some law that requires all people have the exact same appearance at all times? If so, doesn't it only apply to non-lawless space? Why can't I decide to be a hovering crystal brain orb one day and a set of conjoined multiracial septuplets the next?

- I'm a hyper-rich paragon immortal and the best I can afford is a couch, bunk, and TV? I can own entire stations and planets, but all I can manage is a couple dozen sq. meters of plastic paneling?

- I have dozens of ships with crews of up to thousands, but there's no room on any of them for a custom private cabin when I'm outside my pod? Instead I'm stuck in what is probably leftovers from a post-revolution Minmatar affordable housing project.

- Why do I even need a TV/Computer to interface with all my wheelings and dealings, when I already have a direct feed spiked through the back of my neck while in a pod? Wouldn't direct, accurate, non-haptic interfaces (like we already have) be infinitely more efficient than wandering between wall screens and poking at them with a physical avatar's hand?

- Hints that in the future, we can conduct backroom deals in person, in dark corners? Palm a drug/cash swap? Dramatic, yes, but wouldn't it be easier/cooler/more realistic to do this in private com channels, in the dark of empty lawless space, beyond sensor range of nearby stellars (like we already can)?

- given all the crazy advanced brain science in EVE, doesn't it seem unlikely that I'd even NEED to sleep?

I just... I just don't see it. Please, CCP, get back to your visionary posthumanist/cyperpunk roots. Incarna would be very appropriate for Star Wars, but not for something like EVE; it's barely even science fiction.

If you really want to go this way, though. Might I suggest a distinct title to hold it. Separate subscription for "EVE: Citizens" or somesuch. Concept: You are *not* a capsuleer, just a regular Joe/Jane trying to make their way in the world. Are you a tailor, a barmaid, a slaver hound? Only you can decide! Populate the EVE universe and fill your own tiny little corner of a tiny little space station orbiting a tiny little moon! It's connected to EVE like Dust 514, but basically an optional expansion.

tl;dr: +1 for a spaceships-only option. I'm disappointed my money is supporting a WiS that isn't at least conceptually consistent with the rest of EVE.


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