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Phobos Kashada
Posted - 2011.05.24 14:20:00 - [1]
 

I was just about to take advantage of the promotional weekend to;

1. Open another account

2. Reap the benefits of either 30 days of gametime for my main account or a PLEX

And then I read the topic at the top of this page.

By farming, does that mean creating multiple accounts over and over? I was just going to open one because I'd like not only to have another account, but a PLEX on my main account once I subscribe with it. Would this be a bannable offense? If so, I will not do it.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.05.24 14:26:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Phobos Kashada

1. Open another account

2. Reap the benefits of either 30 days of gametime for my main account or a PLEX


that will be fine - it's what it's there for

Quote:

And then I read the topic at the top of this page.

By farming, does that mean creating multiple accounts over and over? I was just going to open one because I'd like not only to have another account, but a PLEX on my main account once I subscribe with it. Would this be a bannable offense? If so, I will not do it.

yeah opening many accounts over and over.
play it properly and you'll be fine.

Phobos Kashada
Posted - 2011.05.24 14:27:00 - [3]
 

Alright, cool. Thank you for the insight.

Phobos Kashada
Posted - 2011.05.24 14:30:00 - [4]
 

Now - Gallente, perhaps? :D

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.05.24 14:31:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Phobos Kashada
Now - Gallente, perhaps? :D

Doesn't really matter, now does it ? Twisted Evil
Pick whatever race/bloodline you can sculpt a face you might like best, ignore anything gameplay-related.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.05.24 14:33:00 - [6]
 

Minmatar FTWWink

CCP Guard


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.24 15:59:00 - [7]
 

You're plan is sound, Phobos, and there's no reason for you to worry. Enjoy your second account and the PLEX Wink

Phobos Kashada
Posted - 2011.05.24 16:07:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: CCP Guard
You're plan is sound, Phobos, and there's no reason for you to worry. Enjoy your second account and the PLEX Wink



Thanks! Very Happy

Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.05.24 16:20:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Akita T

ignore anything gameplay-related.


I think that is the first time I've heard anyone say that Shocked

Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
Posted - 2011.05.24 16:31:00 - [10]
 

What if I made aload of research alts to character transfer into empty slots on my main accounts? Would that be abuse?

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.05.24 16:47:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Anddeh McNab
What if I made aload of research alts to character transfer into empty slots on my main accounts? Would that be abuse?


Considering it costs money to transfer? Good luck with that plan.

Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
Posted - 2011.05.24 17:06:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: Anddeh McNab
What if I made aload of research alts to character transfer into empty slots on my main accounts? Would that be abuse?


Considering it costs money to transfer? Good luck with that plan.


Money isn't a concern (yet), it's just a preliminary idea for something to do with empty character slots. And can I not use 2x PLEX to pay for the transfer anyway?

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.05.24 17:25:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Raid''En on 24/05/2011 17:26:40
Originally by: Anddeh McNab
What if I made aload of research alts to character transfer into empty slots on my main accounts? Would that be abuse?

a bit like that ;
is opening some account(s) a few months for the only purpose of using it/them to create characters than you'll sell on char bazaar later is allowed ?

i suppose it depend on situation, and that's why i would like to know what is okay and what is not xD
i suppose using the 51 days then selling then closing is not good, but what is okay on this situation ?

we're still waiting your official answer on what is allowed and what is not on the info portal topic btw

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.05.24 17:37:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/05/2011 17:41:10
Originally by: Raid'En
i suppose using the 51 days then selling then closing is not good, but what is okay on this situation ?

if you think you will get more than 2 PLEX worth of ISK for a 51 day old character... (and ofc people use special promotions to create characters for resale - but the regular buddy program is a bit meh in that regard)

CCP earns 20$ - 35 per character transfer, that is more than one month of free subscription.

Out Of Mana
Posted - 2011.05.24 17:51:00 - [15]
 

I'm also curious for some clarification on what you consider to constitute grieving and illegal activities. Since the buddy program has been running for a very long time under the "they plex their account and you get 30 days of game time" without problem I'm kind of assuming that the new problems are that you can get a PLEX back and essentially create infinite 51 day disposable accounts for free (i.e. using the same plex over and over again).

1.) Can you please clarify if it's that creating infinite accounts with a single plex that's illegal.

2.) On the original method, would creating infinite accounts by having the plex'd buddy account add 30 days play time to the inviting account constitute an exploit? Considering this actually removes the PLEX from the game and costs the player 380mil each time.

3.) Disposable pvp characters for the intended purposes of grieving. What falls under this category of grieving? Is this suicide ganking in empire space? Piracy in lowsec? Or just being in combat of any form due to wardecs or 0.0 combat?

4.) Harvesting redeemable items from disposable accounts. Is this going to be a retroactive rule that axe's people who have already done this? What if they haven't sold any of their redeemed items? Can that excuse them from being banned?

I ask these questions because a number of us "walk the line" here and it'd be a shame to waste everyone's time by banning us all

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.05.24 21:41:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Raid''En on 24/05/2011 21:44:38
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein

if you think you will get more than 2 PLEX worth of ISK for a 51 day old character...
it was an example, not what i was planning to do, of course that's not enough to make profit :p

but maybe doing it for 3-6 months and switching may works, i do'nt think they would qualify this as an exploit for 5 months, but well want to be sure :p

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.05.25 01:20:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Raid''En on 25/05/2011 01:22:03

so....
Quote:

Abuse includes, but is not limited to: farming gifts, making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes.

i don't call this being more precise...

Hecatonis
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.25 07:30:00 - [18]
 

i think what they are trying to stop anonymous scams and griefing.

you could start an account and have it free for 51 days, and fill the entire time is suicide ganks, market scams, and being a general d-bag. take all your gains for that period and move it to your main and only be richer from it. it didnt cost you anything more then you are already paying, but you getting off being better for it.

this would constitute unfair play, and CCP doesnt like unfair play.

it scares me that they had to make a post about it, just goes to show that someone/people have already started doing BS like this already.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.25 11:07:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Hecatonis
i think what they are trying to stop anonymous scams and griefing.

you could start an account and have it free for 51 days, and fill the entire time is suicide ganks, market scams, and being a general d-bag. take all your gains for that period and move it to your main and only be richer from it. it didnt cost you anything more then you are already paying, but you getting off being better for it.

this would constitute unfair play, and CCP doesnt like unfair play.

it scares me that they had to make a post about it, just goes to show that someone/people have already started doing BS like this already.


No. The main problem is Quafe Zero and the free PLEX.

The "griefing" aspect of it has always been a bannable offence - but ONLY if you recycle alts/accounts to do it. In your example that isn't the case, but if your "d-bag" immediately opened another buddy account to do the same then that would be classed as "recycling alts/accounts".

PLEX and buddy system was always going to end in tears.....

Mitchello
B O R G
Posted - 2011.05.25 12:06:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: CCP Guard
You're plan is sound, Phobos, and there's no reason for you to worry. Enjoy your second account and the PLEX Wink



Our anti-macro backbone Crying or Very sad

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.05.25 13:00:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
...making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes.
Isn't that a legitimate reason for creating additional, paid subscriptions and thus foreign currency flow into Iceland? Laughing YARRRR!!

Oh my, I hope that EVE isn't turning into Hello Kitty land in this brave new world of buffed missions and hidden standings. Not on my watch! And not in my EVE! Very Happy

Enu Zembasi
Posted - 2011.05.25 14:12:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Out Of Mana
I'm also curious for some clarification on what you consider to constitute grieving and illegal activities. Since the buddy program has been running for a very long time under the "they plex their account and you get 30 days of game time" without problem I'm kind of assuming that the new problems are that you can get a PLEX back and essentially create infinite 51 day disposable accounts for free (i.e. using the same plex over and over again).

1.) Can you please clarify if it's that creating infinite accounts with a single plex that's illegal.

2.) On the original method, would creating infinite accounts by having the plex'd buddy account add 30 days play time to the inviting account constitute an exploit? Considering this actually removes the PLEX from the game and costs the player 380mil each time.

3.) Disposable pvp characters for the intended purposes of grieving. What falls under this category of grieving? Is this suicide ganking in empire space? Piracy in lowsec? Or just being in combat of any form due to wardecs or 0.0 combat?

4.) Harvesting redeemable items from disposable accounts. Is this going to be a retroactive rule that axe's people who have already done this? What if they haven't sold any of their redeemed items? Can that excuse them from being banned?

I ask these questions because a number of us "walk the line" here and it'd be a shame to waste everyone's time by banning us all

It doesn't really matter what you use to pay for your "buddy" account. You get 30 days on your main either way. So if you pay with Time Codes or whatever, its still one account for 30 days at no extra charge, since you would have to otherwise pay sub for your main account. Now you don't.
What to do with this extra account?
Train noctis and let it save your time by looting and salvaging while you are ratting.
Train hauler and let it haul what you main and give you fleet boosts
Train frigate and grief people
All require little time to skill up and used ships can be easily transferred from/to main.
You could of course let that char stay for longer than 30 days (51) and for example mine stuff in retriever. Skills costs is pretty low and ROI will be quick.
Pretty much train any skill, that is not trainable on trial accounts and abuse to your hearts content.

I hope CCP will crack down on it, as it should be easy to track down.

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.05.25 14:45:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Raid''En on 25/05/2011 14:49:59
Originally by: Enu Zembasi

It doesn't really matter what you use to pay for your "buddy" account. You get 30 days on your main either way. So if you pay with Time Codes or whatever, its still one account for 30 days at no extra charge, since you would have to otherwise pay sub for your main account. Now you don't.

if it's this the problem, then there's a pretty simple solution ;

if account is on same IP you must credit at least 1 month after the 51 free days, or account will stay with trial restrictions.



of course it won't stop the entire issue, but it will limit it a lot, as it's not totally free anymore.
sure you can still do some abuse, but ;
1) you'll think about it before
2) you can't do hundreds of buddy's invite
i think these 2 things would be enough to avoid most of the issue, while not hurting real buddies (different IP), nor people willing to continue this account later (they just have to pay now for later)

Sealiah
Minmatar
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
Posted - 2011.05.25 16:02:00 - [24]
 

Imagine putting a cyno alt with very little sp in -every- region and all npc hubs... Wait, done that :D


 

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