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Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.05.23 22:35:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Wen Jaibao on 15/07/2011 02:23:59
Edited by: Wen Jaibao on 15/07/2011 02:18:15

*Update*
Well apparently we dropped the ball, we were away bashing some corps face in over the weekend (Strag3s.inc) and this gets killed in our system by a neutral scanner while our attention was elsewhere.

Mysterious Covops

Notice what it had in the cargo? Specifically, what didn't drop and got destroyed?

Trinary Data. LOL STORY/PLOT ITEM DESTROYED. (actually has dropped before off jove rp characters upon further investigation, in 2004ish)


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If anyone at CCP is reading this I promise we'll make sure it gets recovered if you spawn it in our system again! We were all away from home, leave a message! Honest! ugh

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[20:32:50] Chana Arech > ---sence---lling ba---ew locati---.
[20:33:19] Deten Bouras > --------------ified. Enga------------pers.

Here's a Link to a screenshot

We think they're trying to say

Chana Arech> presence ??lling, bad new locations (not really sure about this one)
Deten Bouras> source unidentified. Engaged the sleepers (or 'Engaging the keepers', again not sure)


We subsequently spotted their ship on the directional scan (a pilgrim) and they launched probes before vanishing, never replying to us in local.

Originally by: JunoTan

Another contact has been unfruitfull,

Altrough we have gotten new clue's (thanks to ccres for finding it local)

[16:40:02] Chana Arech > ---ted----lling bac----.

Once again Chana Arech was in a pilgrim,

10-15 minutes later Chana Arech was spotted at a pos in our system (were we also had the first contact)
Once again in a pilgrim.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.05.23 23:40:00 - [2]
 

here we go again...

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.24 00:37:00 - [3]
 

Requesting timestamps

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.05.24 02:48:00 - [4]
 

Excellent.

pshycer
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.05.24 04:49:00 - [5]
 

[20:32:50] Chana Arech > ---sence---lling ba---ew locati---.
[20:33:19] Deten Bouras > --------------ified. Enga------------pers.

there are your timestamps

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.24 09:46:00 - [6]
 

Thanks for the timestamps.
Quote:
[20:32:50] Chana Arech > ---sence---lling ba---ew locati---.
[20:33:19] Deten Bouras > --------------ified. Enga------------pers.

The dashes do not really represent missing letters or spaces upon close inspection, they could merely mean a pause or statics between the discernible signals. This is my interpretation:

... [No] Presence... Falling back... New location... (They couldn't find something in one site.)
... Identified. Engage... Sleepers. (Then then moved to another and fought some sleepers.)

So the entire episode could mean one thing: The Amarrian officials are doing c6 sites too for whatever reason.

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2011.05.24 11:10:00 - [7]
 

They are short on cash.. maybe ?

Deceiver's Voice
Posted - 2011.05.24 15:00:00 - [8]
 

Some possible interpretations of the data:
"ew": Few, New, maybe even (though a stretch) EW as in Electronic Warfare.

"pers": Sleepers, keepers, interlopers

"sense": essence (or Essence), presence

"ified": Identified, classified, verified.

"locati": Locating, location, locations

"enga": engaged, engaging, engage

As you can see, there are multiple interpretations of the data, some making more sense in context than others.

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.05.24 18:27:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Calathea Sata

... [No] Presence... Falling back... New location... (They couldn't find something in one site.)
... Identified. Engage... Sleepers. (Then then moved to another and fought some sleepers.)

So the entire episode could mean one thing: The Amarrian officials are doing c6 sites too for whatever reason.


The Amarrian officials in question have formidable employment histories, and should know better than to broadcast their presence in local without cause.

That said, "falling back new location" is an excellent stab.

Rather than "no," a more active theme might be:

"[Hostile] presence falling back new location."

"Hostiles identified. Engaged with Sleepers."

"They're in the walls. Game over, dude. Game over."

Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.05.24 19:00:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
Originally by: Calathea Sata

... [No] Presence... Falling back... New location... (They couldn't find something in one site.)
... Identified. Engage... Sleepers. (Then then moved to another and fought some sleepers.)

So the entire episode could mean one thing: The Amarrian officials are doing c6 sites too for whatever reason.


The Amarrian officials in question have formidable employment histories, and should know better than to broadcast their presence in local without cause.

That said, "falling back new location" is an excellent stab.

Rather than "no," a more active theme might be:

"[Hostile] presence falling back new location."

"Hostiles identified. Engaged with Sleepers."

"They're in the walls. Game over, dude. Game over."



That sounds like a pretty good interpretation. I'm a little miffed that they refused to communicate in us with local, it was like a massive RP-tease.

*puts cryptic messages in local*
*vanishes*

ISD, did you assume the role of a successful troll?

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.05.24 20:01:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Wen Jaibao

That sounds like a pretty good interpretation. I'm a little miffed that they refused to communicate in us with local, it was like a massive RP-tease.



True that. It does seem *some* acknowledgement of the fact you made an effort to engage them would have been warranted.

Was there anything to identify what kind of ships they were in? Warships vs. exploration vessels would be another clue.

Deceiver's Voice
Posted - 2011.05.24 20:54:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Wen Jaibao
ISD, did you assume the role of a successful troll?

The only problem here is that it's not ISD doing this. ISD are volunteers, and they haven't done live events since AURORA was shut down. It's actual Developers doing the events now.

Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.05.24 21:56:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Wen Jaibao on 24/05/2011 23:32:39
Edited by: Wen Jaibao on 24/05/2011 21:56:02
Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
Originally by: Wen Jaibao

That sounds like a pretty good interpretation. I'm a little miffed that they refused to communicate in us with local, it was like a massive RP-tease.



True that. It does seem *some* acknowledgement of the fact you made an effort to engage them would have been warranted.

Was there anything to identify what kind of ships they were in? Warships vs. exploration vessels would be another clue.


We saw one of them in a Pilgrim *on directional scan*, and they left probes at various points in the system.

Here's a Link to a screenshot


Originally by: Deceiver's Voice
Originally by: Wen Jaibao
ISD, did you assume the role of a successful troll?

The only problem here is that it's not ISD doing this. ISD are volunteers, and they haven't done live events since AURORA was shut down. It's actual Developers doing the events now.


Did not know that AURORA was shot down.. that must have been a while ago.

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.05.24 22:25:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Wen Jaibao

We saw one of them in a Pilgrim, and they left probes at various points in the system.



Nice. It's cool they're taking an "appropriate" approach to scouting the systems. Perhaps you will happen upon a Class 7 entry point. Good luck with that!





Cave Lord
Posted - 2011.05.25 00:44:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Cave Lord on 25/05/2011 00:46:33
Who uses purple text? I thought it was the bug-hunters, which doesn't make sense in this. Do the CCP event coordinators also use purple text?

Also, did anyone scan those probes down to see what was there?

Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.05.25 01:14:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Wen Jaibao on 25/05/2011 01:14:09
Originally by: Cave Lord
Edited by: Cave Lord on 25/05/2011 00:46:33
Who uses purple text? I thought it was the bug-hunters, which doesn't make sense in this. Do the CCP event coordinators also use purple text?

Also, did anyone scan those probes down to see what was there?


You can't scan down probes even though it says 'drones and probes' under that signature class. Otherwise deep space probes would be the ultimate early warning tool.

Cave Lord
Posted - 2011.05.25 02:48:00 - [17]
 

Bummer. I was hoping we could (I had never actually tried).

Have you guys noticed anything particular about this system that doesn't fit the norm? I'm particularly interested in this RP event.

Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.05.25 03:07:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Cave Lord
Bummer. I was hoping we could (I had never actually tried).

Have you guys noticed anything particular about this system that doesn't fit the norm? I'm particularly interested in this RP event.


Its our home system, which is well known by most C5/C6 residents. Aside from the strong presence we maintain there at all times, no, not really, just a typical C6 magnetar.

Talinthi
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.05.25 03:25:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Talinthi on 25/05/2011 03:27:15
Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
Originally by: Wen Jaibao

That sounds like a pretty good interpretation. I'm a little miffed that they refused to communicate in us with local, it was like a massive RP-tease.



True that. It does seem *some* acknowledgement of the fact you made an effort to engage them would have been warranted.

Was there anything to identify what kind of ships they were in? Warships vs. exploration vessels would be another clue.


They were both flying pilgrims and were both decloaked at one point. Can't remember what the ships were actually called but they ended in 1 and 2.

As for the probes they were found at the 0 warp-ins at planets 1-7 or well at least most of them were(total of 10 on scan) maybe ccp was trying to probe as per a few years ago??

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.05.25 04:04:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Talinthi

They were both flying pilgrims and were both decloaked at one point. Can't remember what the ships were actually called but they ended in 1 and 2.



In two pilgrims, the correct response to a "hostile presence" in a C6 wormhole probably is to find a new location...

You would have picked up wreckage in your scans if they had been destroyed. So... short of just leaving probes for the hell of it, choices seem to be that they:

got completely vaporized;

bugged out quickly; or,

were removed by "other means."

As the "most simple" explanation, I'd pick "bugged out" (been there, done that). It's entirely possible Imperial agents would consider your force "hostile" too (which could explain the non-responsiveness), so once they knew the gig was up, getting out would be reasonable.

The corporate description for MIO is:

"The Amarr authorities have vast experience in molding their citizens as they want. The Ministry of Internal Order is responsible for hunting down disgruntled elements in the society and eradicating them. Since first contact the Ministry of Internal Order is also responsible for monitoring the activities of foreigners within the Amarr border, especially Minmatar terrorist cells."

That charter does not cover exploring Sleeper sites, so this seems closest to "hunting down disgruntled elements (no longer) in the society and eradicating them." Is there reason to believe "disgruntled elements" are using wormholes?

There was a news report about a dictator resurfacing recently and disappearing, though as I recall, he seemed like a bigger deal to the Minmatar themselves.

Kate Bodh
Posted - 2011.05.25 05:54:00 - [21]
 

Huh?

JunoTan
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.05.25 17:37:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: JunoTan on 25/05/2011 17:48:34
Another contact has been unfruitfull,

Altrough we have gotten new clue's (thanks to ccres for finding it local)

[16:40:02] Chana Arech > ---ted----lling bac----.

Once again Chana Arech was in a pilgrim,

10-15 minutes later Chana Arech was spotted at a pos in our system (were we also had the first contact)
Once again in a pilgrim.

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:00:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: JunoTan

[16:40:02] Chana Arech > ---ted----lling bac----.



"Spotted falling back" ?

Maybe the Dev-s are spying on you...
under the guise of Rp characters ?


Shani Zera
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2011.05.25 22:25:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
The Amarrian officials in question have formidable employment histories, and should know better than to broadcast their presence in local without cause.


When you put this together with the fact they didn't reply over local comms, it's pretty clear what's happening on the meta-level.

Think about it. If they were acting like proper scouts, they would be so much harder to notice and distinguish from other players. It might take us months to notice and ID the pilots as Amarr Navy.

Maybe that's how things even started: with Amarr Navy doing their job right, but of course, nobody noticed them as you'd expect, and so on the meta-level CCP had to be a bit more overt and put some purple text in local to properly kick start things.

The lack of replies from the AN suggests this too. They're not out there to chat, but said "something" in local. It all points to CCP on the meta level wanting to be discovered without making the Amarr Navy appear completely hopeless at covert operations.

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.05.25 23:22:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Shani Zera

Maybe that's how things even started: with Amarr Navy doing their job right, but of course, nobody noticed them as you'd expect, and so on the meta-level CCP had to be a bit more overt and put some purple text in local to properly kick start things.



There's validity to all that. It could also be like "The Fugitive," where Our Hero intentionally messes with clues he wants the detective to pick up.

A couple of pilgrims are unlikely to take C6 spawns. But they are not interested in anything as mundane as "loot," and so drawing the attention of a nearby capsuleer corporation would be one way of getting rid of troublesome Sleeper units.

The second interaction is compatible with this. A force recon ship that hasn't wandered into a swarming gate camp is unlikely to become visible near a POS unless it "wants" to be seen.

One strategy consistent with MIO's charter would go: "convince corporation to blow up Sleeper installation so we can sift through debris when everyone is gone looking for evidence of Wanted Terrorist."

Amarr wouldn't send its own combat fleet, because that would be detected by capsuleers, resulting in "complications" that could otherwise be avoided. Perhaps blowing everything in sight up might trigger some additional interaction - though I suppose blowing everything in sight up has been on the menu for Quite Some Time.

Dilaro thagriin
Posted - 2011.05.27 20:57:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Nishachara
Originally by: JunoTan

[16:40:02] Chana Arech > ---ted----lling bac----.



"Spotted falling back" ?




either that or [mission] aborted, falling back [to rally point]

just my 2 pence :P

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.05.27 21:42:00 - [27]
 

Todays dust514 quote:

http://www.dust514.com/

"I KEEP TELLING THEM I SAW AN ENTIRE BLOODY GOLDEN FLEET HEADING FOR THAT WORMHOLE, BUT NOBODY WANTS TO LISTEN!"

-Jeronus Vie, Capsuleer

CCP saying something? The timing... is amazing, I must admit.

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.27 23:07:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Calathea Sata on 28/05/2011 00:08:50

Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.05.28 03:19:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Myxx
Todays dust514 quote:

http://www.dust514.com/

"I KEEP TELLING THEM I SAW AN ENTIRE BLOODY GOLDEN FLEET HEADING FOR THAT WORMHOLE, BUT NOBODY WANTS TO LISTEN!"

-Jeronus Vie, Capsuleer

CCP saying something? The timing... is amazing, I must admit.


That like sounds fun to me, if its aimed at us.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.05.29 01:14:00 - [30]
 



per http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1261656&page=25#731

Quote:

Strange Energy Readings (class 6)
"The radiation levels of this site are high but within tolerable limits. Wavelength readouts suggest a large cache of a powerful isotope was once housed here, but no solid traces remain. The level of radiant antimatter can only be explained by an immense--and recent--matter displacement. By the way, incoming hostiles.


(emphasis mine)

Maybe coming back for more fuel for the superweapon?


Random thought, but what if Jamyl Sarum is one of the sleepers?


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