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Kahar Dex
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.20 07:32:00 - [1]
 

It is understood that not all holder's have had the means, will, or desire to carry out a religious education for their spiritual slaves as they are expected to. Additionally, it goes without saying that as God's creation, there is an indelible mark upon each man and woman's existence which to some degree grasps the concept of divinity.

Some are more inclined than others to seek. And herein CLRGY's stands ready to serve.

Amarrians wishing to expand their horizons and service to God are welcome to apply to the Defensores Fidei Amarr Seminary. Take your training and serve the corporation you are already in. Receive leadership training and guidance to start and begin your own initiatives. And carry out your God given purpose to Shepherd God's flock, to reclaim those who are lost, or to vanquish to wicked and unrepentant to the fullest extent of your potential.

Those who are not of Amarrian decent may begin with introductory courses but only after an extensive application process. Additionally, those Non-Amarr proven to be faithful yet seeking Ordination may undergo the slavery trials in order to receive their public degree. (More information upon request).

Current Seminary Faculty:
Overseer Dex,
Religious apologetics, Logic, Hermeneutics, and Theology Proper

Cardinal Graelyn:
Amarr History, Religious groups and orders, and Religious Administration

Magister Merdaneth:
Spiritual Formation, Spiritual Disciplines, and Pastoral Care

Inquistor Kithrus:
Dean of Student Affairs

The current programs on offer are:
Certification: 1 Offered

Tuition Costs: Free
Time for Completion: 3 weeks
Pre-requisites: None
Subjects Covered: Basic Amarr History, Basic Amarr Theology, Basic Soul Care
Certificate Awarded: Amarr Faith Certification (this is required for all CLRGY pilots regardless of career path)


Degrees Offered:
----- Missiology (For being a missionary to a specific people group)
----- Theological Studies
----- Pastoral Care

Tuition Costs: 10m per degree for Non-CLRGY
Pre-requisites: Amarr Faith Certification
Requirements: 1 Week of Required Membership within the Defensores Fidei
Time to Completion: 1 Month
Subjects Covered: Varies by degree
Certification Awarded: Curate of [Discipline] Diploma

Ordination: Priestly Station, Bishop Station, Cardinal Station
For Normal Track:
Tuition Costs: 30m/50m/100m
Time for Completion: 3months, 6 months, 2 years
Pre-requisites: Amarr Faith Certification + Enrollment in Defensores Fidei (with honorable discharge granted upon completion)
Subjects: All subject matter in Degree courses + Congregation Management (Priest); Magister Lessons (Bishop); Terminal Practi****(Cardinal)
Certification Awarded: Ordination is awarded via public decoration (hence required membership)

For Accelerated Track:
Priestly/Chaplain Level Ordination Only
Tuition Costs: 100m (scholarships do exist, please inquire)
Time for Completion: For diligent students, Accelerated seminary track can be completed within 1 month
Pre-requisites: None
Requirements: Enrollment within Defensores Fidei for 1 month (honorable discharge can be granted earlier if coursework is completed sooner)
Certification Awarded: Ordination is awarded via public decoration (hence required membership)

Scholarships:
Scholarships are available for qualifying applicants. Inquire directly with a faculty member.

Note:
The Seminary is a branch within the Defensores Fidei but it is not representative of the corporation itself.

CLRGY stands ready to serve, because it is our belief, that God is able to fulfill the desires which he initially creates.

Signed,
Overseer Dex
Defensores Fidei
CVA Clergy


Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.05.20 09:19:00 - [2]
 

Interesting.

Could I request more information on the "slavery trials" you speak of?

On a related note, I have been watching CVA's slow reclaiming of Providence. During my investigations, I have repeatedly seen claims that CVA is importing slaves of Minmatar stock to Providence to do some of the work there. Is this true? Also, I have had someone claim that CVA is capturing formerly free people in the region of Providence to educate them as slaves. Is this true?

Thank you for your answers!

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.20 15:41:00 - [3]
 

This too in an initiative that all Amarr should support.

We will be talking with our members and have every hope that some will seek more formal training in matters of theology. Our recent work has brought us in contact with many worlds where the local colonial populations are in need of spiritual guidance. Having more pilots who are trained missionaries would be a great benefit to us the people who are now new citizens of an ever expanding Khanid Kingdom.

By His Light and His Will!




Kazuma Ry
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.20 21:52:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Kazuma Ry on 20/05/2011 21:52:19
I am in agreement with Lord Mokk.

All people loyal to the Empire should be in support of this initiative.


Overseer Dex,

As we have talked earlier on this topic, I will be contacting you privately in the coming days with some questions that I have.


Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.05.20 22:58:00 - [5]
 

I initially harbored apprehension this ecclesiastical undertaking would regress into crass evangelism, and congratulate the parties involved for instead rising to the challenge of Faith's more nuanced illumination.

Kithrus
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.21 00:01:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Kithrus on 21/05/2011 00:02:10
Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Interesting.

Could I request more information on the "slavery trials" you speak of?

On a related note, I have been watching CVA's slow reclaiming of Providence. During my investigations, I have repeatedly seen claims that CVA is importing slaves of Minmatar stock to Providence to do some of the work there. Is this true? Also, I have had someone claim that CVA is capturing formerly free people in the region of Providence to educate them as slaves. Is this true?

Thank you for your answers!


I'm going to settle and address this really quickly so you can drop it in as much haste.

Education of slaves on how to serve to put it simply.

Importing of slaves? If you mean moving slaves from one location to another now that we live in Provi then yes. Are they matari? Yes as well as other races that already were in our ownership.

Are we capturing new slaves? No that is prohibbited in the Empire and by extention space owned by CVA. Only slaves already in our care or those born into slavery up until the generation cap set by the empire.

That is all.

Kahar Dex
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.26 04:19:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Interesting.

Could I request more information on the "slavery trials" you speak of?

On a related note, I have been watching CVA's slow reclaiming of Providence. During my investigations, I have repeatedly seen claims that CVA is importing slaves of Minmatar stock to Providence to do some of the work there. Is this true? Also, I have had someone claim that CVA is capturing formerly free people in the region of Providence to educate them as slaves. Is this true?

Thank you for your answers!


Additionally, as some slaves have already applied and been accepting into Defensores Fidei, should you like an interview with one or two of them, this can be arranged.

These slaves have subjected themselves to this status voluntarily. No doubt such a willingness and desire to grow in the grace and knowledge of God may very well bring them to their freedom far sooner than most rebels would even hope for. A humble heart is protected from the folly of pride.

Valerie Valate
Amarr
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Posted - 2011.05.26 16:55:00 - [8]
 

Can I enrol in this ?

Graelyn
Amarr
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.05.27 16:41:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
I initially harbored apprehension this ecclesiastical undertaking would regress into crass evangelism, and congratulate the parties involved for instead rising to the challenge of Faith's more nuanced illumination.


Your concerns were probably shared by many, and are quite understandable given undignified examples in the past.

It will not be the case here. Defensores Fidei is not some loud firebrand preaching tent. This is a house of Study, of Knowledge, and of Arms.

Capsuleers of the Faith deserve to have a real and professional body of Clergy available to them, one that can actually comprehend The Life in the Egg, and provide counsel from that perspective.

Additionally, the Empire's more traditional priesthood orders (including the Theology Council) deserve a contact point to the Capsuleer world through fellow brothers of the Cloth.

We hope to fulfill both of these needs and I thank you for your kind words.

Misha M'Liena
Amarr
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2011.05.27 18:48:00 - [10]
 

I am interested in this. As a Priestess in the field. I feel it is important to refresh my skills and teachings. But I will not be able to attend in person. Is there a way to do the classes and not be a member of the Defensores?
I hope we can come to a mutual agreement or understanding.

May you go with God's Blessing.

Misha.

Kahar Dex
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.27 19:23:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Valerie Valate
Can I enrol in this ?


The possibility does in fact exist. For some who have grown up within a certain belief system, or who have known nothing else, it is possible for them to still possess the heart of a seeker. And these seekers seek after truth, as best as they are able with the means provided to them. And while some seekers may adhered to a belief system which fundamentally is false, it may still have some superficial truth to it, and so they cling, afterall once truth is found, it is closely regarded. A blind man seeks any light, no matter how dim.

There comes a time however when a seeker must decide if they are willing to acknowledge that there may be more truth than what they currently hold, or that they truth which they've previously clung too was deterred and weighed down by half-truths and darkness. Are you willing to let go of what you've always known, and what you are familiar with?

Truth be told, there is even one within CLRGY who is formerly of the sani-sabik persuasion. He inquired about the faith, and through blows of reason and challenge, he eventually recanted of the Red "Lord" and was birthed anew into the true light of Amarr.

If you truly seek truth, then explore faith with us. If you are able to see the light of true faith (and recanting of evil space nun ways), then I re-iterate, yes... indeed the possibility for your enrollment is there.

Valerie Valate
Amarr
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Posted - 2011.05.28 10:21:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Kahar Dex
Originally by: Valerie Valate
Can I enrol in this ?


The possibility does in fact exist.


Fabulous.

Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:02:00 - [13]
 

Slavery trials?

Celes Tenebrae
Lightning Struck Tower
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:35:00 - [14]
 

If Valerie is allowed to enrol, does that mean I can come too? I'm sure the history classes are fascinating.


Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:48:00 - [15]
 

I would think it is open to anyone who genuinly seeks a path to God.

If you enter this under false pretenses, you will learn nothing. You must be an empty vessel, waiting to be filled.

And ask yourself, are you ready? If the fire of faith is ignited in you, are you ready to leave everything of your current life behind to serve God? If you have a doubt, then maybe you should consider your motives before making a commitment you're unwilling to keep.


Domitianus Fury
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.05.29 06:04:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Kithrus

Are we capturing new slaves? No that is prohibbited in the Empire and by extention space owned by CVA. Only slaves already in our care or those born into slavery up until the generation cap set by the empire.



There are still legal ways to enslave people other than via birthright.

Due to the celebrity stautus of capsuleers, I would suggest all slaves being sent to Providence be subject to vitoxin treatment. A slave revolt would have grave PR consequences. Vitoc treatment can reduce that threat and maintain a happier, healthier workforce.

Nor Tzestu
Amarr
Boxwater Intelligence
Posted - 2011.05.29 14:09:00 - [17]
 

A noble and just cause brothers.

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.29 15:33:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Domitianus Fury
Originally by: Kithrus

Are we capturing new slaves? No that is prohibbited in the Empire and by extention space owned by CVA. Only slaves already in our care or those born into slavery up until the generation cap set by the empire.



There are still legal ways to enslave people other than via birthright.

Due to the celebrity stautus of capsuleers, I would suggest all slaves being sent to Providence be subject to vitoxin treatment. A slave revolt would have grave PR consequences. Vitoc treatment can reduce that threat and maintain a happier, healthier workforce.



Tsk.

Vitoc is so last decade. You'll have much better control if you use TCMCs.


Uraniae Fehrnah
Posted - 2011.05.29 17:24:00 - [19]
 

I must admit to a certain level of curiousity here. Perhaps its time I take part in some more formal training and education in spiritual matters. At the very least enrolling in one of these programs will give me a better perspective to ensure my planetary colonies have adaquate spiritual services available to those living and working there.

I do have some questions about the actual course of study and other practical concerns, and I would prefer to speak with someone in real time about them.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.05.29 23:05:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Domitianus Fury
Originally by: Kithrus

Are we capturing new slaves? No that is prohibbited in the Empire and by extention space owned by CVA. Only slaves already in our care or those born into slavery up until the generation cap set by the empire.



There are still legal ways to enslave people other than via birthright.



What else ? The criminals ?

Domitianus Fury
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.05.29 23:52:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel
Originally by: Domitianus Fury
Originally by: Kithrus

Are we capturing new slaves? No that is prohibbited in the Empire and by extention space owned by CVA. Only slaves already in our care or those born into slavery up until the generation cap set by the empire.



There are still legal ways to enslave people other than via birthright.



What else ? The criminals ?


Criminals, vagrants, bankrupts, ner-do-wells, military and political prisoners, disgraced cowards, rebels, heretics, citizens of reclaimed systems, etc. All legally found within the borders of the Empire.

Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2011.05.30 04:35:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Domitianus Fury
Originally by: Kithrus

Are we capturing new slaves? No that is prohibbited in the Empire and by extention space owned by CVA. Only slaves already in our care or those born into slavery up until the generation cap set by the empire.



There are still legal ways to enslave people other than via birthright.

Due to the celebrity stautus of capsuleers, I would suggest all slaves being sent to Providence be subject to vitoxin treatment. A slave revolt would have grave PR consequences. Vitoc treatment can reduce that threat and maintain a happier, healthier workforce.


Look. An endorsement for the use of Vitoc in a thread advertising Amarrian religious education.

How unexpected.

Sinti Vailatti
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Posted - 2011.05.30 04:57:00 - [23]
 

Oh look!

An Electus Matari pilot trying to be all clever.

Where do you get your Vitoc from Ava? I'm sure it must be a hassle trying to get it past customs. Want me to hook ya up?


Kahar Dex
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.30 10:23:00 - [24]
 

I'll step in here before the thread get's de-railed to say that due to the nature of the Seminary, not all Non-Amarr are admitted.

Those wishing to pursue a formal religious education who are not of Amarr ancestry have generally a proven record of faithfulness unto God and Empire. As such, our slavery trials have very few similarities with the general holder population, SPCS, etc. The general disposition of those wishing to submit themselves to slavery trials within the Defensores Fidei are generally those who would have no need for vitoc or TCMC's. Each slave is paired with an Amarr graduate student who serves as his/her mentor and advocate assisting them along with their coursework and/or practicums to make up for any deficiencies the slave may have depending on their education, cultural background, or previous employment.

Given the sheer diversity of belief systems present among the varying tribes, it goes without saying that each Seminary professor can not spend time addressing the nuances and differences in understanding each individual non-Amarr may have while progressing through the program. As such, the Amarrian students themselves who have the proper understanding of Amarr culture and sufficient background knowledge into the foundations of faith, this slave-mentor system helps to improve the efficiency rate at which classes can progress.

As for what specifically is entailed within the slavery trials, each mentor is tasked with the responsibility of tracking each of their slaves/servants academic, and spiritual progress. Each of capable or receiving certificates of freedom... which... as it goes without saying, all would likely earn, especially if they happen to be pursuing an Amarrian religious education.

All in all however, I'd like to point out that the slavery trials are rather unimportant. What matters most is each and every individual is their desire to know God, and to follow Him.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.05.30 21:09:00 - [25]
 

Knowing that a lot of amarrian originated individuals are blatant proofs of ignorance and crass idiocy (like in any society), and that some foreigners can show a lot more insight in amarrian theology (for various reasons, acumen, knowledge, wisdom, etc), I am not sure if positioning foreigners systematically under amarrian originated students is a wise choice, or just a way to express that the Amarr bloodline is superior.

Am I wrong ?

Domitianus Fury
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.05.30 22:38:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel

Am I wrong ?


Yes

Nor Tzestu
Amarr
Boxwater Intelligence
Posted - 2011.05.31 01:24:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Nor Tzestu on 31/05/2011 01:30:36
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Knowing that a lot of amarrian originated individuals are blatant proofs of ignorance and crass idiocy (like in any society), and that some foreigners can show a lot more insight in amarrian theology (for various reasons, acumen, knowledge, wisdom, etc), I am not sure if positioning foreigners systematically under amarrian originated students is a wise choice, or just a way to express that the Amarr bloodline is superior.

Am I wrong ?


I recognize the broad strokes of racism for what it is. A weak argument that usually invokes un-named sources, indefensible statistics or even better the fictional stories provided by word of mouth. A reasonable person would assume the students and faculty at the only privately run Amarrian seminary school in New Eden are not "average" when it comes to Amarrian theology, Amarrian culture or Amarrian politics. I wonder if you would question the ability of Caldari industry instructors at their academy. Or Gallente civics instructors at their respective institutions. I remain dubious to the "concern" you attempt to convey in your questions. I shall pray for you child. Your anger and hatred has blinded you not only to a noble cause but to common sense as well.

Kazuma Ry
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.31 04:50:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Kazuma Ry on 31/05/2011 04:51:00
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Knowing that a lot of amarrian originated individuals are blatant proofs of ignorance and crass idiocy (like in any society), and that some foreigners can show a lot more insight in amarrian theology (for various reasons, acumen, knowledge, wisdom, etc), I am not sure if positioning foreigners systematically under amarrian originated students is a wise choice, or just a way to express that the Amarr bloodline is superior.

Am I wrong ?


Sister Farel,

I will at least give you my opinion and say that you are not wrong. I can state that I have seen True Amarrians look down upon a Khanid for just being a Khanid. Was that person correct, no, they were just misguided. If a non-Amarrian steps up and pledges their undying love to God and the Amarrian Faith, and through diligent work in both spreading the word of God, and their own enlightenment then they will become equals with any other loyal Amarrian in the eyes of God.

Just as the scriptures say

"In the beginning all things were as one. God parted them and breathed life into his creation Divided the parts and gave each its place And unto each, bestowed purpose" - The Scriptures, Book I 1:4

God has given propose to each of his children and only through our faith in him will all come back to him.

Brother Ry

Domitianus Fury
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.05.31 05:15:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Domitianus Fury on 31/05/2011 05:16:42
Originally by: Kazuma Ry
Just as the scriptures say

"In the beginning all things were as one. God parted them and breathed life into his creation Divided the parts and gave each its place And unto each, bestowed purpose" - The Scriptures, Book I 1:4

God has given propose to each of his children and only through our faith in him will all come back to him.

Brother Ry

He did not give all equal purpose. Otherwise He need not have divided.


The True Amarr are God's chosen.

Kahar Dex
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.31 07:25:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel
Knowing that a lot of amarrian originated individuals are blatant proofs of ignorance and crass idiocy (like in any society), and that some foreigners can show a lot more insight in amarrian theology (for various reasons, acumen, knowledge, wisdom, etc), I am not sure if positioning foreigners systematically under amarrian originated students is a wise choice, or just a way to express that the Amarr bloodline is superior.

Am I wrong ?


If this statement is made generally, then I can say that indeed there may be merit to the contention.

However, if this is made in regards to the CVA Clergy, then I would say that the statement does not take into consideration the amount of scrutiny each applicant is put through before being accepted into the program. "Blatant proofs of ignorance and crass idiocy" should not be found walking the halls of the Defensores Fidei seminary, and if for some reason or other one does happen to gain admittance, they will likely not have the responsibility of mentoring any non-Amarrians during their studies.

Foreign insight into the spiritual and divine is not discounted by way of having non-amarrians being guided by an Amarrian holder. Rather, the relationship exists merely to assistance those of non-Amarr origins with any particular language, cultural, or experience barriers which may exist and prevent understanding of certain lessons or principles being taught. Some Non-Amarr already have a rich understanding of the several Amarrian contexts that are present within the scriptures, such as Ammatars, therefore the degree of dependence on the Amarr mentor varies from pair to pair.

As for the "superiority of the Amarr", this is not the subject of this thread, but indeed is a subject worth exploring. Perhaps I will encourage one of the students herein to write a treatise on Amarr superiority that we might discuss this in more detail.

I hope this clears things up.

Yours,
Oversee Dex


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