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Zen Jardo
Merkhan Industries
Anarchy Unlimited
Posted - 2011.06.02 02:15:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Mandella Stratus
BUMP!


I take it this means it wasn't fixed by the last patch. :(

Alijah Mercer
Caldari
King Wholesaling
Posted - 2011.06.02 03:13:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Zen Jardo
Originally by: Mandella Stratus
BUMP!


I take it this means it wasn't fixed by the last patch. :(


Nope.

Joredi
Posted - 2011.06.02 14:15:00 - [93]
 

When will the export feature be back soundwave?

Arele
Minmatar
Samurai Salvaging
Posted - 2011.06.02 21:02:00 - [94]
 

Pew pew pew.. or rather bump bump bump.

Civ Zomas
Gallente
Jazz Associates
Posted - 2011.06.03 00:30:00 - [95]
 

Quote:
... having import/export features aren't really something I'm thrilled with. - CCP Soundwave

Dude, this statement could've been written to erode confidence in your judgement.

Loot export ended an egregiously banal daily task formerly laid on Eve's long suffering corporation leaders - manually copying numbers from loot stacks. Removing it is exactly contrary to CCP's commitment to "quality of life" improvements.

Taking away players' control of where their data can go was bound to cause a backlash. How could you not see this coming?

Zen Jardo
Merkhan Industries
Anarchy Unlimited
Posted - 2011.06.03 17:28:00 - [96]
 

http://www.eveonline.com/patches/optional/?from=266018&to=266355

No mention of the export feature being fixed. I may have to drive to Vegas next month and ply Soundwave with liquor and hookers.

Alijah Mercer
Caldari
King Wholesaling
Posted - 2011.06.04 03:30:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Zen Jardo
http://www.eveonline.com/patches/optional/?from=266018&to=266355

No mention of the export feature being fixed. I may have to drive to Vegas next month and ply Soundwave with liquor and hookers.


Someone has to do something, I want this feature back! I'm sick of taking screen shots to try to keep track of loot because I might go link dead and entering the data by hand now SUCKS. Ready to quit running ops.

Though, maybe thats what they were hoping for was to push up market prices?

Zen Jardo
Merkhan Industries
Anarchy Unlimited
Posted - 2011.06.05 18:14:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Alijah Mercer
Ready to quit running ops.


I know how you feel. I'll go on ops if someone else is handling the loot but I haven't lead one since this patch came out. This "fix" took the 15 second process of exporting the log and posting it to my custom web-app and turned it into a 10-15 minute process. Last thing I want to do at 2AM is tally loot.

Mercenary Killa
Posted - 2011.06.06 20:17:00 - [99]
 

Bump for a fix.

Ronkerinka
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:47:00 - [100]
 

Devs this topic still needs attention!

Sentient Blade
Posted - 2011.06.07 16:08:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Sentient Blade on 07/06/2011 16:09:52


I've been advised via petition to add my thoughts to this thread.

I can't stress enough my disappointment that this very useful feature was removed, and at least to my knowledge without forewarning or notice.

EvE is a complex game that requires a tremendous amount of data management to play effectively, especially when working in groups as CCP encourages us to do. Features that allow end users to better manipulate this data for their own needs are essential if players are to consider group activities enjoyable and productive.

Loot logging had its flaws (moving into cans) but it was by far and away the best mechanism available for for tracking the progress of group mining operations and ensuring both a fair distribution of payments and a reasonable live-tally of collections.

The alternative now seems to be the adding up of individual values as they come in which seems to be a dramatic step backwards, especially since as the loot data is still being collected and broadcast to the fleet - it must be in order that the current loot history works, and it is the client itself that is no longer offering a mechanism to collate this information and export it.

To illustrate the scale of this problem, with a 10 man mining fleet and an Orca for bonuses this could generate in excess of 700 individual values per hour.

I would very much like this feature to be returned, and what with the strength of feeling shown in prior posts it would be ideal if it could be expanded upon. This in order that fleet commanders and corporation managers may leverage third party tools to create the data they need, quicker, so that they may return to enjoying the game themselves rather than doing paperwork.

So yes, a re-instatement of this feature, please.

Zen Jardo
Merkhan Industries
Anarchy Unlimited
Posted - 2011.06.09 16:42:00 - [102]
 

Well said Blade. Another patch has come without mention of this. http://www.eveonline.com/patches/optional/?from=267203&to=268459

I find it disturbing that CCP isn't responding. They have had more than enough time for the devs to have a meeting and decide the fate of this feature. Keeping us in the dark is showing us disrespect.

Kellaen
Samurai Salvaging
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:14:00 - [103]
 

Back to the top with you!

Uncle Lenny
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.06.11 14:23:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Zen Jardo
Well said Blade. Another patch has come without mention of this. http://www.eveonline.com/patches/optional/?from=267203&to=268459

I find it disturbing that CCP isn't responding. They have had more than enough time for the devs to have a meeting and decide the fate of this feature. Keeping us in the dark is showing us disrespect.


Maybe this just goes to show who the Dev's really care about. Not so much their cutomers, but rather how they "feel" about export... Sadly enough I don't see any of the Dev's having the backbone to stand up for this issue. Clearly nothing has been done, and nothing seems to be in the works.

Uncle Lenny
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.06.11 23:19:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Hey guys!

We took it out because it seems like a bit of an odd piece of information for the majority of our users. In general, having import/export features aren't really something I'm thrilled with.


Then I assume you argued the issue with the new FPS monitor, and being able to export that? WTFMate?

Almain Stavros
Posted - 2011.06.12 05:23:00 - [106]
 

We won't just go away if we're ignored CCP. Bring back this feature that you thoughtlessly took away without even a mention in the patch notes.

Keeloux Siind
Universal Business Group
Posted - 2011.06.12 10:47:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Almain Stavros
We won't just go away if we're ignored CCP. Bring back this feature that you thoughtlessly took away without even a mention in the patch notes.


Not to burst your bubble or anything, but they mention it in the patch notes.

http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=226

notice the stuff written in green?

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Build 247655 to 259851 addresses Patch Notes for Incursion 1.5

Patch Notes for Incursion 1.5

Released Thursday, May 19, 2011. Approximate download of 16 MB.

Miscellaneous

•The ability to export loot logging has been removed.
-----



Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Hey guys!

We took it out because it seems like a bit of an odd piece of information for the majority of our users. In general, having import/export features aren't really something I'm thrilled with.


Although I hugely disagree with this too and I among many do not see the logic in CCP Soundwave's statement, as said before, EVE is full of export features like the API and the market export. I have my doubts as to whether this is CCP Soundwave's opinion or that of the entire CCP.

If this thread/topic is not given a decent response, one which either brings the loot log export back or at least gives a logical explanation as to why the game mechanics made it impossible to keep, then you will most likely see me at the next fanfest asking questions about the removal of the loot log export to the CCP Panel.

And lastly I have one curious question: ........majority of our users........ does that mean if it only applies to 30%, then it doesn't deserve to be in the game, because then you can pretty much dissect the whole game down to the log in screen, flying in space and trading in markets possibly remove mining, moon mining......well most of the game....because most parts of the game are not played by the majority.........."majority of our users".......come on CCP, give a better response than that.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1513581

Come on my fellow players link this thread throughout EVE, mention it to all your fellow players, ask them to comment in the thread or just to bump it, anything that will show how many players see this feature as useful.......the more we are the less CCP wants to keep the loot log export out of EVE, in the end, I believe, CCP is of players and for the players, with this feature they just failed to see how much it meant to many players.


Yours truely,
Keeloux Siind

Chang Patak
Posted - 2011.06.12 14:04:00 - [108]
 

I too wish for this to be put back. The new look of the history tab makes it very annoying when running mining ops to quickly and easily calculate the amounts I need to distribute to each person. I don't use an orca at present but would hate to be in their shoes at this point.

We can't even arrange the loot history in a particular order anymore as player names, items and amounts aren't in seperate cells...

Zen Jardo
Merkhan Industries
Anarchy Unlimited
Posted - 2011.06.13 14:14:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Keeloux Siind
Not to burst your bubble or anything, but they mention it in the patch notes.

http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=226

notice the stuff written in green?


The stuff in green are addendum to the patch notes. It wasn't added to the notes until we raised our voices.

Drunein
Caldari
Space Tech Innovations
Dangerous By Design
Posted - 2011.06.14 02:26:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Zen Jardo
Originally by: Keeloux Siind
Not to burst your bubble or anything, but they mention it in the patch notes.

http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=226

notice the stuff written in green?


The stuff in green are addendum to the patch notes. It wasn't added to the notes until we raised our voices.


If that is all we get for a response to the issue, I'll be nothing shy of disgusted.

Alijah Mercer
Caldari
King Wholesaling
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:51:00 - [111]
 

Bump... Bring it back.

Wendi Watson
Organization Too Secret To Know
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:59:00 - [112]
 

Where's my loot log export, CCP?

Amber Villaneous
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:14:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Hey guys!

We took it out because it seems like a bit of an odd piece of information for the majority of our users. In general, having import/export features aren't really something I'm thrilled with.


The majority of user don't use market log exports, please remove that functionality immediately.

Andrea Griffin
Posted - 2011.06.16 05:04:00 - [114]
 

I didn't know this feature existed until now, but I must say that if I HAD been previously aware of it I definitely would have been using it! This sounds like a really helpful feature. Why remove a perfectly good feature like this? Confused

Dasola
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.16 07:52:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Hey guys!

We took it out because it seems like a bit of an odd piece of information for the majority of our users. In general, having import/export features aren't really something I'm thrilled with.


So since wast majority of industrials use science&industry interface, when will that be fixed then?
Takes wayy too many clickcs to do anything at all, Hell PI was fixed in recordtime in similar situation.

Zen Jardo
Merkhan Industries
Anarchy Unlimited
Posted - 2011.06.17 15:40:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Dasola
So since wast majority of industrials use science&industry interface, when will that be fixed then?
Takes wayy too many clickcs to do anything at all, Hell PI was fixed in recordtime in similar situation.


I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or trying to hijack this thread.

Uncle Lenny
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.06.17 20:29:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Dasola
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Hey guys!

We took it out because it seems like a bit of an odd piece of information for the majority of our users. In general, having import/export features aren't really something I'm thrilled with.


So since wast majority of industrials use science&industry interface, when will that be fixed then?
Takes wayy too many clickcs to do anything at all, Hell PI was fixed in recordtime in similar situation.


Wrong topic.

Loot Export needs to come back. BRING IT BACK.

db Deckard
Posted - 2011.06.17 23:45:00 - [118]
 

WOW...I have to say... What was CCP thinking!!!! This really was a good feature. Unless we are going to get a report that tells the squad leader how many M3 or what ores where mined pleas at least restore the log files so we can figure it out.

Chang Patak
Posted - 2011.06.19 14:13:00 - [119]
 

bump

TehRoot
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.19 20:09:00 - [120]
 

bump, now that I run sleeper sites, I would like to have this feature put back.


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