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Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
Posted - 2011.05.31 10:43:00 - [61]
 

isnt eve about scamming and being untrustworthy! You can have it all, you want to scam but then dont want to be scammed..
Tbh for me remove all information about standings and employment history.

and to be honest mate, this will not come back, CCP have made their decision, and they dont listen to CSM anyway..So meh..

nugget906
Posted - 2011.05.31 13:20:00 - [62]
 


couriertrading alt
Posted - 2011.05.31 20:25:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Aineko Macx
Originally by: Niyrah
Just change the default page to YOUR standings with the character, and have the other tabs available for loading.

Less calls to the server and everyone gets the info they want / need.

This.


Also this.

Aleena Doran
Posted - 2011.05.31 21:16:00 - [64]
 

This has change has destroyed RP/imersion in the game world.

If I am playing a Gallente patriot I want people to know I have +ve Gallente and -ve Caldari standings.

Bring back display of standings or at least make them optional to show just like for certificates.

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.05.31 22:09:00 - [65]
 

I support any nerf to inadvertent/passive information proliferation.

So no thumbs up from me.

Aijle Mijleroff
Posted - 2011.06.03 16:33:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: 'Val'Dore'
I support any nerf to inadvertent/passive information proliferation.

So no thumbs up from me.


You wish to tell, what that other character has shown me the stands, it should do a screenshot, upload it to the site for presentation pictures?
And if the foreign site is infected by viruses? In fact this direct infringement of a security which has provoked itself CCP!

Inside the game should be a mechanism for display stands by mutual consent!

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.06.03 21:11:00 - [67]
 

Shouldn't have been removed, I am in support of bringing it back.

Ru Zaldys
Amarr
Booterang Corporated
Posted - 2011.06.05 13:57:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Aleena Doran
This change has destroyed RP/imersion in the game world.

If I am playing a Gallente patriot I want people to know I have +ve Gallente and -ve Caldari standings.

Bring back display of standings or at least make them optional to show just like for certificates.

this

Making it optional is the way to go, there are a lot more reasons to keep it in game, as opposed to how many reasons (one?) there are to remove it from the game.

0oO0oOoOo0o
Posted - 2011.06.06 04:40:00 - [69]
 

I gathered some arguements for the standing display here: forum
Please bring it back CCP !!

Morar Santee
Posted - 2011.06.06 12:29:00 - [70]
 

Yes, standings do need to be displayed again. Just another example of a completely half-arsed "fix" that was so badly implemented that it isn't even funny.

Let's recap. On top of player standings towards NPCs no longer being displayed, we also got the following:

- NPC factions' standings towards each other no longer displayed
- Player corps' average standings no longer displayed
- No way to see how player corps' average standings are composed

Want to get your corp jump-clone access with a certain NPC corp? Tough ****ing luck, no way to tell who has standings and who doesn't.
Want to set up a POS? Tough ****ing luck, no way to tell who needs to work on standings to get the average, or how close you are in the first place.
Want to hire only people who meet these requirements? Tough ****ing luck, now you need to do a full API check.
Want to know who you lose standings with if you run storyline missions for Thukker Tribe? Tough ****ing luck, hope you learned them by heart in time.

And yet, there's rabid fanbois applauding this crap. As always.

Aleena Doran
Posted - 2011.06.06 12:42:00 - [71]
 

Sec status is just concord faction standing. Makes no sense that concord standing is visible but Amarr, Sansha, etc. aren't. All faction and corp standings should be visible.

NateX
Followers of Yrck
Posted - 2011.06.07 15:56:00 - [72]
 

agree

Theodoric Darkwind
Gallente
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.07 23:43:00 - [73]
 

IMHO it should be optional (off by default), you can show them if you want and turn it off if you dont. This stops standings from being used as a highsec griefing tool

Should be able to view standings of all members of your corp/alliance. No reason to hide this from a corp, unless your a spai lol.

Standings info should be available via limited API. So corps who only pull limited API for recruiting can still check this.

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.08 07:33:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Aleena Doran
Sec status is just concord faction standing. Makes no sense that concord standing is visible but Amarr, Sansha, etc. aren't. All faction and corp standings should be visible.



Fallacy: affirming the consequent.

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.08 09:20:00 - [75]
 

Summary so far:

Problem with just making it Optionally shown:

People will read into reasons why you aren't showing one standing or another. Which will lead to trust issues. And god knows there are too many problems with trust in the game already. We don't need another trust sink.

BUT, I recognize that RPers need such information, and although making RPers happy isn't a higher priority to CCP than closing an social exploit tool, if they can be made happy without exposing the exploit then they should.

What about this: Make it available info in the limited API.
RPers will necessarily need to trust each other anyway, and any legitimate access to standings information is used to garner trust in people you may not know. That means you should have no qualms about giving them your limited API.


salty Milk
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:31:00 - [76]
 

CCP removing game elements so they can add different game elements without upgrading hardware? No.

They say avatars do not cause TQ lag because it's another server.
So make standings on another server instead of removing them.


salty Milk
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:35:00 - [77]
 

also I have to click support so the CSM can be sure they ignored another person

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.08 17:07:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: salty Milk
CCP removing game elements so they can add different game elements without upgrading hardware? No.

They say avatars do not cause TQ lag because it's another server.
So make standings on another server instead of removing them.




Maybe you missed the whole part of the thread which talks about the problem and likely cause for standing removal was its use as a griefing tool.

salty Milk
Posted - 2011.06.08 19:00:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Kaelie Onren
Originally by: salty Milk
CCP removing game elements so they can add different game elements without upgrading hardware? No.

They say avatars do not cause TQ lag because it's another server.
So make standings on another server instead of removing them.




Maybe you missed the whole part of the thread which talks about the problem and likely cause for standing removal was its use as a griefing tool.



no i didn't miss your likely cause i just ignored it as its been a "likely cause" for 7 years but that it took over 11 seconds to access my standings page seemed much more problematic and hasnt been that way for 7 years


sorry for not expressly disagreeing with your premise i hereby expressly disagree with your premise

Goose99
Posted - 2011.06.08 23:05:00 - [80]
 

Due to lag reasons, they should just remove our ability to see our own standings.Laughing

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.09 04:30:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Kaelie Onren on 09/06/2011 04:30:16
Originally by: salty Milk
Originally by: Kaelie Onren
Originally by: salty Milk
CCP removing game elements so they can add different game elements without upgrading hardware? No.

They say avatars do not cause TQ lag because it's another server.
So make standings on another server instead of removing them.




Maybe you missed the whole part of the thread which talks about the problem and likely cause for standing removal was its use as a griefing tool.



no i didn't miss your likely cause i just ignored it as its been a "likely cause" for 7 years but that it took over 11 seconds to access my standings page seemed much more problematic and hasnt been that way for 7 years


sorry for not expressly disagreeing with your premise i hereby expressly disagree with your premise



FYI It wasn't my premise. I heard somebody else said it.
And just because your 1 case of lag for you that happened, doesn't go to prove anything. In fact, the only thing it proves is that maybe lag IS a problem, so I don't see why you were saying that the lag shouldn't exist because its done on a different server.

Anyway let's say that even if the griefing tool is only 50% of the reason, and the other 50% is lag.
Um... then why do you think that it should be brought back? Just for RPing reasons? Personally, and its maybe just me, but I think that the priorities for a game mechanic should be:

1) no lag
2) no griefer intel
3) role playing


salty Milk
Posted - 2011.06.09 09:34:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Kaelie Onren
Anyway let's say that even if

lets not

Originally by: Kaelie Onren
why do you think that it should be brought back?

i dont think it should be "brought back"
i think it should never have been taken away

Bo Tosh
Posted - 2011.06.09 10:49:00 - [83]
 

I never saw a reason for this info to be public, at best it should be optional to display standings like the display of medals and certificates are.

Xearal
Minmatar
SOL Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.09 13:13:00 - [84]
 

While I can see the use of removing it so other players can't track where you've been hanging out a lot...
I WOULD like to know which faction is on what standing with which other faction in Eve. Like thef act the minmatar like the thukkers, but hate the angels and the amarr empire.
Sure, I know most of it by heart, but for a newbie it's very usefull information, not to mention to the vet who does missions and wants to keep his standing with certain factions intact.
For instance, you get offered a mission against the thukkers, you're a noob, and you run missions for minmatar and say, caldari. The caldari agent offers you an anti-thukker mission, the noob things.. hey it's not empire faciton, Kill.. only to find out that messing with the thukkers messes with his Minmatar standing too.
Being able to see this among NPC corps and factions who's who is kinda important.

Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
Posted - 2011.06.11 21:19:00 - [85]
 

Get back the standing!

Quadima
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.17 14:28:00 - [86]
 

I agree, it was useful information.

Please show at least standings toward factions/corps. Those toward agents are not that useful.

Adeleine
Caldari
Finnish Failboat
Posted - 2011.06.17 14:30:00 - [87]
 

/sign

PreZiDenT1
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2011.06.17 14:49:00 - [88]
 


Rivqua
Caldari
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2011.06.17 14:57:00 - [89]
 

I do miss this functinality daily!

shadowapple
Posted - 2011.06.17 15:04:00 - [90]
 

i enjoy like it`s now.
disagree


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